He Would Be a MENACE in Today's Game

A breakdown of the career and legacy of one of the most underrated Point Guards in NBA History, Mark Price.
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[@jonnyarnett]

How would Mark Price do in the modern NBA??? ALSO, I want to do a fun experiment HERE in this comment thread, where you guys can help me make a video :) So I wanna make a video called “The Top 5 One of a Kind Plays of All Time”. What I’m talking about is plays that have NEVER been duplicated before. To clarify, MJ has the iconic free throw line dunk, but a lot of guys have done a free throw line dunk, so that wouldn’t qualify. On the list is probably going to be Vince Carters dunk of death, because although players have jumped clear over a defender to convert a dunk, NO one (to my knowledge) other than Carter, has done it over a 7 footer in regulation. So now that you understand the logic, SUGGEST AWAY!!

[@cratwinterz200]

Depending on how you define play, Dame had a 7 point possession at one point. Not sure if that has happened outside of that.

[@jonnyarnett]

Excellent suggestion on Lillard. To my knowledge, it hasn’t, but I’ll do some research on it 👍

[@acdcdave1387]

What about the time Larry Bird knew his shot was off and was going to go right so he ran to the right, jumped up, caught his own rebound and laid it in before ever touching the ground

[@jonnyarnett]

@acdcdave1387 Good suggestion. Although that one seems incredibly unique, I gotta imagine another guy has chased his own shot for a similar putback… the funny thing is that I can’t thing of any similar highlights off the top of my head though 😂🤔

[@UnlistedBrIcks]

You should make a team of the most underrated players

[@robs9237]

Mark Price was so ahead of his time, he was such a unique PG in his era

[@joejett5084]

I gave him another spin on my nba2k draft class. The older nba in its way was too stagnant for certain players and he would be a monster in the current nba. I think Keith Van Horn and Sam Perkins would be amazing too.

[@richardw3347]

The Price is Right. lol He was real good. great foul shooter too.

[@MakaveliCVW]

Let this generation tell it everyone before the 2000s were all Terrible

[@MAEDtravel]

Agree

[@pwnser]

wow thank you for being the top comment and basically spoiling the first part of the video

[@madisonbordenave4869]

Kevin Johnson is definitely up there as one of the most underrated PGs

[@user-jw5qj8kv2y]

Look no further than Cavaliers' great Mark Price. For his career, he shot 47.2 percent from the field, 40.2 percent from three and 90.4 percent from the free-throw line. Put differently, he was close to being a 50-40-90 guy for his entire career! During his prime, from 1988 to 1995, he scored 17.6 PPG and handed out 7.8 APG with insane 48-41-91 shooting splits. If it weren't for the fact that he and the Cavs kept running into Michael Jordan and the Bulls seemingly every postseason, he may have even hung a banner in Cleveland.

[@glorysake]

The man literally invented splitting the pick and role,,,nobody was doing that b4 him 💯💯💯

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

They were. Zeke, Jordan, Magic, etc, before Price was drafted

[@johndavis9321]

​@@sideshowbobsaget8876literally none of those guys were spittin the the screen fam

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

@johndavis9321 Yes, they were. Price did it more often and made it more popular, but he wasn't the 1st. Watch games.

[@johndavis9321]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 ok fine he may not have invented it but he made it mainstream u have to give him tha

[@markjackson6431]

Mark Price is the most underrated multi time All Star. this guy could ball the fuck out

[@slinkybeans2442]

And yet Bronsexuals use him to discredit MJ

[@clyder46]

​@@slinkybeans2442aww someone can't get Lebron out of his head 🥲

[@chocamocha4541]

@@clyder46I wonder who started it🤔

[@johndavis9321]

​@@clyder46you talkin bout bronsexuals yeah I agree they can 0not stop thinkin bout that dude

[@johndavis9321]

​@@slinkybeans2442yeah which is always kinda funny to me like they try to diminish Jordan's comp but these guys were ballers lol

[@Nihilus_Outis]

Price is one of my favorites ever. Other players, I believe, were tailor-made for today's NBA, are Drazen Petrovic, and Pete Maravich.

[@thetruthstand]

Finally, Johnny did my Mark Price video!

[@lamontejamison302]

His (Mark Price's) footwork wasn't too shabby either☺️🏀💯☺️

[@emekaamerican863]

Pistol Pete would be perfect in today's game

[@camaradiop3731]

Kevin Johnson is criminally underrated; people only remember his tenure at Phoenix after his recurring hernia issues left him a shell of himself. Even basketball "pundits", who should know better, profess that Charles Barkley didn't have anyone around him to offset the Pippen/Jordan effect without noting that Kevin Johnson wasn't the same after his hernia issues (though, to his credit, he played through them). For anyone who believes that I am overstating my case, look at Johnson's points per game and assists per game averages in the PLAYOFFS when it matters the most. Johnson accomplished this against great competition, like the Magic Johnson-led Lakers (this was before Barkley joined the Suns). It is a travesty that K. Johnson isn't in the Hall of Fame. Arnett needs to remedy this dearth of respect by focusing on K. Johnson in a segment on his channel.

[@jaketerpening3284]

I'll second the vote for Kevin Johnson since he is the reason I am a Suns fan.

[@michaellarusch4317]

As someone who grew up watching and rooting for the Cavs in those days (only to watch them lose to the Bulls every time), it's good to see Mark Price getting some love. He was a great player and was fun to watch. He was like a machine when he was on the floor. I hated his career getting cut short because of injuries and I honestly believe that they had a shot to win a title if not for MJ and the Bulls...

[@josephharden5592]

Loved Mark Price even as a kid in the late 80s and 90s. When nash came out i called him Price version 2.0 and when steph came i called him version 3.0. Mark Price was the future. That's why magic Johnson thought they were going to be the team of the 90s. It just took until the end of the 2010s for a dynasty with that type of player as the leader

[@drsapnis]

finally some aprreciation to the guy!

[@emceeschwartz]

Awesome video. Being from Ohio, Price was my favorite player growing up. Other than Lebron he is my all time favorite Cavalier. He should be in the HOF. He also won a gold medal in 1994 on Dream Team 2

[@Rumcajs1-yy2tm]

yeah mark price was for real

[@xtrasolido]

Thank you for this. This is one of those players I list when refuting that utterly stupid "it was an era of plumbers" diatribe.

[@eladnaor6099]

I've been saying that for years. Mark Price was Steph Curry before Steph Curry.

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

I think that it is a tie? Chris Jackson,a.k.a Mahomod Adul Rauf. And Mark Price both play seemingly Curry basketball.

[@onnaquest]

He played with Dell Curry in Cleveland when Steph was born in Akron, 1988

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

@@onnaquest Thanks, wasn't aware of that.

[@onnaquest]

@@ktapreswreckd921v9 me either tbh but my hunch turned out to appear correct. After looking into it more, Steph was born in March, the cavs played their last game in a first round loss to MJ on May 8th. Then Dell was selected by Charlotte in the expansion draft in June. So it looks like it was only 2-3 months lol. Still a cool bit of trivia to me.

[@reodagreo7637]

Nah, he Steve Nash

[@brandenbyrd5239]

SO GLAD to see some love for Mark Price! One of my all-time fav players.

[@1000_Jeezai]

He had his own segment in the NBA Superstars 3 video

[@mlc7million]

Price and Mahmoud had the quickest, most accurate pull ups off the dribble of any player of any time. People forget also that Ron Harper left and went to the Clippers. Before Ron Harper hurt his knee, he used to give Michael Jordan fits.

[@waff6ix]

JERRY WEST WOULD BE CRAZY IF HE PLAYED 2DAY💯😳

[@acdcdave1387]

Hell yeah he would. Last year of his career when he was old, slow and about to retire, they start tracking steals and the dude averages 2.6 which is higher than most point guards ever averaged in their entire careers. Between his defense and his phenomenal shooting prowess, the guy would be up there with Steph

[@waff6ix]

@@acdcdave1387 FACTS💯💯BRO WAS 6'4 WIT A LONG WINGSPAN LOCKING PEOPLE UP & STILL DROPPING 40+😳JERRY WEST WOULD BE A PROBLEM IN 2DAYS GAME

[@bwink23]

Video is about Mark Price. Man, Wilt was amazing!

[@justinholland6132]

@@acdcdave1387higher paces dumber players, and much weaker handles translates to that high volume of steals. Somewhat impressive but not as much when u add context

[@cresv422]

Jerry west would get cooked in todays game

[@andgar923]

Great vid. One very important aspect that's often overlooked is his toughness. He was TOUGH af and had no switch to turn it off. He didn't back down from no one and would go at you on both ends. He'd get knocked down by 7 footers, get back up, and go at them again and again. I can easily see him being a top player today, he'd be far more efficient and deadlier in this era, perhaps 2nd or 3rd best PG considering the rules and style of game. He could easily be a 50 40 90 in this era for his entire career with a green light to shoot more. Modern training and medicine would add more years and athleticism to his game as well. Yet another factor we need to remember when considering old school players: They didn't grow up with the 3pt shot!!!! It wasn't something that was practiced to the same degree as it is now. The training has improved dramatically and the emphasis on the 3 has improved as a result. There's tons of 3pt shooting drills that help improve one's shooting, from form, technique, balance etc. Today's players don't simply go to the gym and shoot a bunch of 3s like they did in the past. Everything today is more calculated and focuses on proper consistent form over just taking hundreds of shots. So taking all of those factors into consideration, he'd be an even deadlier shooter, healthier, more athletic player. To the point that we'd probably be arguing if he's as good as Curry (perhaps?).

[@nicholaswade6289]

I love to compare all time best shooters using the free throw line. To take out more variables. And Mark Price is up there!

[@nathanlarson3632]

He definitely is!! Wish you would do more of these kinds of videos about other players! Like Kevin Johnson, Cris Jackson, Allen Houston, Steve Francis, Etc…

[@joncabotxox9389]

Loved Mark Price. What a solid player!!!

[@brettstaats3996]

Excellent video as always! You should also give Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf his flowers. Another under-appreciated-and often forgotten-point guard who could ball.

[@high-defRJ]

Ah, one of the few players that scared me the most in the 90s as a Bulls fan. Elite and efficient shooter, passer, and decision maker - and a heck of a point guard.

[@alex4833]

Awesome video, Jonny! It was great getting to learn more about Mark Price here. I think he would thrive in today's game - not just because of his shooting, but also (as you indicated) his speed and basketball IQ. He was absolutely ahead of his time. Happy Sunday :). I remember you once mentioned that you're a football fan, so I hope you enjoy the Super Bowl today. Have a great week!

[@messistl]

Great vid!

[@foggylungs]

Pre Jason Williams. But with better control. Not so erratic.

[@markjackson6431]

stop it. White Chocolate was never like Price. Price was efficient, he passed better, and was a pick n roll king. JWills couldn’t even shoot decently from the field. JWills was like a more erratic and less efficient Pistol Pete

[@richardscott9973]

Price was a very good player...even IT said for said for couple.of years he was really great....

[@mustafaalibrahim4966]

Johnny, thanks for your consistent and quality content. I'm a subscriber since your early days but this is my first time commenting. I just wanna say that I really enjoy your channel. keep it up 👍👍👍

[@AsturiasPrimus]

Thanks for this video. Mark Price was my favorite PG growing up. I even tried modelling my game after him but I didn't have the speed nor the handle that he had. Plus, I realized he had amazing balance on his jump shot. He uses a two foot jump stop on his pull up after running at full speed. That is very difficult to pull off and isn't even taught anymore. These days, players are taught the 1-2 step for better balance.

[@goofy6652]

Good video. As a pistons fans from that era. He really was a dog. The dude played like his hair was on fire yet completely under control

[@MrFantastic23]

During that time in the 90s he wasn't underrated. But I think it's time goes on. He becomes more underrated. I would argue that. Rod Strickland is still probably the most underrated cuz even during his actual time of playing he couldn't make an all-star team even though he was an all-star player

[@cncaliguy09]

Rod was good but Magic, Gary Payton, and boring nobody called Stockton were on West Conference and so was KJ. 3 HoF first ballots and one that shouldve could have

[@MrFantastic23]

@@cncaliguy09 Yeah valid. I guess I just think how can you make an All NBA 2nd team, in a time when it was PG SG SF PF C, so you're basically listed as the 2nd best guard in the game, but not be an All Star. That boring guy named Stockton lol honestly maybe he's the most underrated. People don't REALLY fathom what he did over his career.

[@vicentecampos2893]

I remember watching MP on his prime and that particular All Star. Amazing player, everyone who knows something about basketball is agreed.

[@robertmoore4424]

I was a fan fr , I'm thinking about getting his jersey

[@jlui21]

-- Thanks to YT, I became a fan of his 3 years ago. The machine was a hobbit size scoring machine. The man was getting buckets at 5'10-ish. If Isaiah Thomas had trouble guarding him, yeah, Mark Price would be straight ballin' in 2024.

[@hermanreid]

Price was a dominant player in the ACC among Jordan, Bias, Sampson, Perkins, Daugherty, Dawkins. Led league in scoring as a freshman with 17-9 3 point line.

[@dingleberrysnigglefritz]

1993 All Star game was the first NBA All Star game I ever saw as a country bumpkin who never got to watch basketball. Mark Price that game made me a fan having never seen him before. I still remember watching him from our hotel room during a snowstorm and being captivated by that little dude.

[@moety2]

I loved Price. I’ve said for years he one of the best. The injuries robbed him. He should be mentioned when they talk about Grant Hill and how we were robbed of greatness because of the injuries.

[@jgray2718]

I haven't watched any of the video, but a thumbnail of Mark Price saying he would be a menace today is completely right. He was Steve Nash before Nash. His Cavs teams were good, too, just not as good as the Bulls. The Cavs were actually fun to watch at the time. They were the best passing team in the league and were particularly good at interior passing. They had some really athletic forwards in Larry Nance and Hot Rod Williams and a high-skill big man in Brad Daugherty. They would have been better today than they were at the time, and they were good then.

[@AndreIguodalaFan55]

YOOOOOO MORE MARK PRICE LOVE

[@konasavage]

Many of the players and teams of the 80s and 90s that came so close are sadly forgotten

[@Yojimbo8]

I was a Bulls fan as a kid in the 90s, and even then, I was afraid of Mark Price and Cleveland.

[@JelaniWood]

I grew up a Bulls fan and watched almost every Bulls fan since before Jordan up until maybe a year or two after he retired. So I saw Mark Price play a lot in this dude was a killer and is absolutely one of the most underrated players in NBA history

[@PetouKan]

This era is filled with underrated point guards. Terrel Brandon, Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, Mookie Blaylock just to name a few

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Micheal ray Richardson as well

[@Amick44]

​@@TheIcemanthomasMichael Ray came in before those guys by several years.

[@johnnyboyspero5470]

Still got my Price Cavs jersey from 13yrss old

[@cadecrusader3940]

Thank you Jonny!

[@jonnyarnett]

Thank you bro!! Happy to see your pistons getting some wins lately!

[@cadecrusader3940]

@@jonnyarnett I appreciate that! I don’t expect the Pistons to be in the playoffs next year, maybe the play in tough. They look better with their roster moves and trimmed the fat of it.

[@MicroWave233]

Great point, mark price was the best cavalier pre Lebron. Dude was a lethal shooter and great at the pick n roll.

[@showtimenick824]

Mark Price deserves to be in the Hall of Fame! It's a travesty that he's not already in the Hall of Fame! Until he actually gets inducted, I will die on the hill that his induction is way overdue!

[@hardwaredynasty]

Imo, one of the most perfect jump shots of all time. I found an old article back in the day (Time magazine?) Explaining the mechanics of the perfect jump shot. It featured dudes like Price, Kerr, and Paxon. I've always preferred shooters over anything else. Honorable mentions, Dale Ellis, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Dell Curry. I just love the mechanics of a text book jumper. Now, PERSONAL preference... I prefer less jump in my jump shot. Less effort, higher shooting pocket, quick release. I'm old now lol.

[@elibrouhard6347]

I loved Mark growing up. He was my favorite non-Bull pg in the league.

[@Freethinkerfranceofficial]

You know your great when your NBA trading card is high valued! Mark Price card is very rare and as a 90s kid it's highly coveted.

[@onnaquest]

Cavs Bulls playoff games is when i became a basketball fan

[@WadeVanderMolen]

Mark Price would be amazing in today’s NBA. Def underrated to most fans considering the top PG talent if his day. The best efficiency player of all of them though.

[@averyce2]

Ive been preaching Mark Price as the "Forgotten PG Messiah" for years!

[@chugcanthoop]

I could honestly see Price averaging close to 30 ppg in todays league but he honestly was the start of small guards being able to be super impactful

[@justinholland6132]

Isaiah Thomas? Jerry west? Bob Cousy? He never had even made an impact on the league lol. But old heads generalize the younger for not knowing hall lmfao

[@chugcanthoop]

@@justinholland6132 I didn’t clarify so ig that’s on me, I meant specifically perimeter oriented players. Being able to use the threat of the 3 to get to the basket easier. That’s not something Isiah Jerry or Cousy did. (Yes ik when the 3pt line was implemented) but I specifically was meaning perimeter oriented guys and mashing the two together it wasn’t really common like that but SORRY for hyping up mark price I guess I’m an idiot for even thinking he was awesome you’re right man 😂gfys

[@kirkiedakingpin]

Him Mark Jackson and Andre Miller 3 of the most underrated ohs of alltime

[@nestaron4064]

Price would be perfect in today's NBA.

[@mlc7million]

Price was cold!

[@rpesik]

Mark Price and Steve Kerr together, would kill in today's game

[@DJKHOTTA]

Reasons why old-school players get underrated by today's young fans #1 that guy isn't flashy. #2 That guy doesn't look like like a natural bodybuilder at his peak while weighing 220+ lb #2 if he is white.

[@idoru999]

Backi in the 90' when I started my bb adventure, I tried to model my game on Mark Price. For 6 ft white boy from Europe, he was alongside Drażen Petrovic - the gold standard.

[@MunkuBall]

hey jonny love your channel! one question, where do you get that mini clips that you put in the videos?

[@doctajay376]

I can't tell you if this is his actual source, but he has insane collection of recordings from previous eras.

[@lilpenny1982]

To me Mark Jackson was the most underrated PG from the mid-80's to the start of the 2000's.

[@justtimes9257]

i have always compare mark price to damian lilard there game is nearly the exact same

[@teejaye6226]

the only teams i worried about back in the jordan years were price's cavs and indiana with miller, the davis bros and smits

[@thesphyrth]

A 90's version of Steph in a Cavs Uniform? That's quite a storyline right there.

[@ajatathemu]

As a warriors fan him getting back at Iverson “Who this punk think he is?!” And proceeded to show out on him. 😂😂😂

[@Eazy6874]

Mark was an absolute baller!

[@nathanlawson313]

Play style = Isiah/CP3 + Nash/Curry Tough, competitive, quick, pure playmaker, sharpshooter. He'd go toe-to-toe with any PG from any era (except the top tier, hyper-athletic types Iverson, Westbrook, D.Rose...)

[@mickeylee2624]

Price is tremendously underrated, indeed. Had he been in more of an offensive-minded team (i.e. Nash) or non-defensive league (i.e. Curry), no doubt his numbers would have seen 25-50% boost. Arguably, he was a better defender than those two while potentially a better shooter considering the era of defense and his being the main distance shooter on his team.

[@jeremynitta1449]

Everyone says how certain players would have dominated todays game. Mark Price is the guy I point to when people say Steph Curry couldn’t have done anything in the older physical NBA

[@m.otransformers4855]

Mark price would be a Legend if he played today! So would Tim legler

[@hardwaredynasty]

Legler? A legend? No. Mark and Tim are not on the same level, not even close. Check out Tim's stats.

[@m.otransformers4855]

@hardwaredynasty tell me you don't understand basketball with out telling me you don't understand basketball. In today's game he must certainly would be an All-Star caliber player

[@hardwaredynasty]

@@m.otransformers4855 ok man keep telling yourself that and have a nice day you basketball savant you.

[@jlui21]

@@hardwaredynasty -- lol. Agree. Tim Legler would be "better" but he would be Duncan Robinson / Joe Ingles good hitting 15-20ppg. Mark Price? He could avg 25ppg in today's era w/ the likes of Jaylen Brunson.

[@hardwaredynasty]

@@jlui21 💯

[@cockybalboa2]

He was very underrated, but I think Kevin Johnson is even more underrated.

[@SoundsTheillest]

we knew Mark Price in the hood! enough said

[@hibachiagent0249]

I like watching him and Chris Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

[@doctajay376]

That true shooting percentage in a world of giants is absolutely ridiculous

[@pasigiri]

Mark Price. Underrated.

[@JoseFlores-xc7wu]

In one season, he made 112 free-throw out of 115 or something like i remember reading that in one of his basketball cards

[@PetouKan]

And he did all that with the handcheck rule. Nash was not so good before the handcheck was gone, btw.

[@justinholland6132]

He was young. Zone is much harder anyway

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

​@justinholland6132 He wasn't young. Teams ran zone in the 80s - 90s despite it being "illegal defense"

[@MrJohnnyAOA]

Kevin Johnson is the most underrated PG for me.

[@joshuabarnes5870]

Been saying this forever!!

[@owensmith2137]

If he was a star then, he could be a superstar today!

[@adrenalineunlimited]

The most underrated pg of all time to me is still Rajon Rondo

[@johndavis9321]

I always say it's laughable how new nba fans say so many guys from the past couldn't play into days era but their are many whose games would actually benefit from just how different the game is called like mark price would be a borderline superstar if he played today

[@adrenalineunlimited]

Next do one on Thunder Dan Majerle

[@thepugking319]

Not saying everyone would dominate this era but 80% if all stars from the early 2000s to mid 70s would dominate

[@luke8837]

THE most underrated player ghat no one today knows

[@Barnabus007]

Underrated in history is a label I dislike because most of us couldn't claim to know (without a bunch of research) the impact of some really great player in the 50s or 60s who got injured after 3 years or something like that. I do think in the last 35-40 years he is underrated and somewhat forgotten/overlooked along with guys like Kiki Vandeweghe. I do think he would love the soft defense free game of today where you can't sneeze without getting called for a foul and traveling occurs every 3rd play.

[@dragonmaldito]

People who think Ray Allen have the best shot form never knew Mark Price

[@justinholland6132]

Ray Allen shot more at a higher percentage. In eras that guarded the 3 point shot better

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

​@@justinholland6132They guarded the 3 in the 80s-90s. Give Mark Price 8-10 3PA and he's in conversation for GOAT shooter.

[@nufaa5313]

Agree he is underrated. Might have gotten more attention on a stronger squad. I don't think 34 is that young for retiring. Sure the ACL injury didn't help but 6 foot is small in the NBA. When you lose a step at that size it hurts more than it does for those guys who are 6'4 and up

[@alejanoelallen1952]

🏀

[@MysticMicrowave]

I never knew my mavs drafted mark price... I don't think we wouldve been good, but that kinda hurts lol

[@silvianosanchez8430]

Top 3 most underrated player ever.

[@TheDesisgarf]

I usually agree with you but I hate the narrative that great shooters from the past = modern NBA superstars (and yes ik you didn’t say that) But no, I think he was better in his era than he would be today, while yes, he is a great shooter, there’s just so many guards with better ball handling and passing abilities than him, he would be utilized more as an off ball space creator, like a JJ Reddick type of player

[@marcosmartinez8088]

Great player. Sadly, injuries took the best of his career, and the best of Ron Harper too. When i think of crafty players with a perfect control of their change speed, i usually think of Price and Tony Parker. They are not the most talented, skillful, or even the flashiest point guards, but their games were poetry in motion, almost unfair of how great they were.

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

I see some similarities with Curry. Same with Chris Jackson style of play, in regards to Mark Price.

[@Jealod24]

Jason Williams