I just bought the MOTO off of ur review. That thing is unbelievable. The first razor i bought was the Leaf razor, that ive been using for about 6 months. It took me about 10-15 min and it was a bloodbath every time, no matter how i adjust its aggresiveness. I used the MOTO today for the first time with the Head Slick and Wow. It took me literally about 3-4 mins to shave my entire head (3 days of hair growth). It was the smoothest and easiest shave ever. No cuts, no bumps and no pain. I really recommend this for anyone who is a beginner like me. Am probably going to buy the Goldfinger sometime soon in the future!! Thanks for the review and that beard is majestic as hell.
@zxcvbnmasdew10214 жыл бұрын
One of the best beards I've see, if not the best 💪
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nivlem1313034 жыл бұрын
i think better than jesus christ! lol
@notquiteultralight17013 жыл бұрын
First thing i was thinking too!! Amazing frikkin beard!!!
@creslanwilliams2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking exactly the same thing
@kantoniow62504 жыл бұрын
Was looking for head shaving reviews and found a dude blessed by the God of the BEARDS! Shit so luxurious and wavy you set sail on that boat in the background fam!!
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha, thanks man!
@stephenshelton42673 жыл бұрын
I received a Headblade ATX yesterday and used it while showering. I got about 10 big bloody nicks with the ATX, but I only felt getting maybe 3 of them. Between the shower water and blood my head looked like a prop from an episode of Criminal Minds. Now that it's the next day and still have bleeding, I don't think I'll use again.
@jayburd42259 ай бұрын
I'd assume the shower washes away most of the shaving gel. Maybe try more gel and out of the shower....
@stephenshelton42679 ай бұрын
@@jayburd4225 I've just gone back to a standard razor, not Gillette of course.
@funkdaddy3.04 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I used an ATX for over ten years and recently switched to a Moto Goldfinger. I haven't been disappointed with the Moto shaver. I am a two pass shaver. After the first pass with the Moto and Head Slick, I switch to a two blade cartridge razor and Shave Butter to hit the trouble spots and areas missed. The entire process in under 15 minutes.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Which Shave Butter do you use?
@funkdaddy3.04 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews - Dr Carvers Shave Butter - DSC.
@faithtyler16234 ай бұрын
Hi! I purchased the Moto Razer and loved it. As a female, most ladies on utube are using regular razors. I was doing the same thing with Harry's, until I read the package that clearly stated not for head use😅. I love the design and ease of use! The electric razors got too hot and was very uncomfortable. It required many passes that just made my poor head sore 😢. This product was simple, quick and easy without the negative after effects of a standard shaver. 🎉 My head is smooth as a babies butt😂
@NoBSBeardReviews4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!! Glad it’s working well for you!
@RoAchKIlLAx4202 жыл бұрын
After a year and three different headblade razors later, I had to stop using these, I kept getting bad razor bumps and cuts. I still use their creams, those are next level
@NoBSBeardReviews2 жыл бұрын
Great info. What are you using now?
@RoAchKIlLAx4202 жыл бұрын
@No BS Beard Reviews I've been using Defender for a couple months, its a great razor for a 3 blade, im thinking about trying the Leaf.
@NoBSBeardReviews2 жыл бұрын
@@RoAchKIlLAx420 the Defender is my go-to! The Leaf is nice as well, but I need to take my time with it.
@DanCBearded4 жыл бұрын
So strangely satisfying!
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I've toying with doing a ASMR head shaving video.
@DanCBearded4 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews you would get massive numbers and some interesting comments lol
@firstreviewer8966 Жыл бұрын
Very Good Review, Thank You. I think I will try both after watching your video. Nice beard big guy.
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@CavyWheek3 жыл бұрын
I am brand new to head shaving and just got a MOTO. When I think I’m ready I will try the ATX to get a closer shave. Thanks for the tips to get me started!
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff!
@jenniferannsaccani33393 жыл бұрын
I'm actually a woman who just loves the look of a smoothly shaved bald head. So with NO medical reasons for doing so but simply for personal style/preference reasons, I'm going from long hair to no hair next month. (December has special significance for me to begin my bald woman journey then.) I've been watching product review videos here on KZbin for a while now & considering cost, safety, and closeness of shave as well as what could I do without a heavy visual element while shaving, your HeadBlade video reviews have really impressed me. This video in particular where you compare the Moto with the ATX. I'm thinking all you said about the Moto being an excellent starter razor for newcomers to head shaving combined with a comment on the Headblade website that you don't need to use a mirror that it might be a great place for me to begin. Let me clarify a few things. First, I have very poor eyesight & can't really use a mirror for any sort of detail work so I'd be shaving by touch nearly exclusively to get what I'llw ant to be a baby's butt smooth kind of completely bald head. Also, since I do have rather abundant long hair right now, for the cutting & first shave I'm looking to find a good local barber to do the deed for me, after which I'll be doing it myself. I live alone & my hair tends to grow quite fast so I'm sure I'll be a daily head shaver. Any suggestions or recommendations you might be able to offer me, I'd really appreciate it. This is the phase where I'm gathering supplies/purchasing products I'll need to begint his new chapter in my life where I get to (at age 54) start living my true Bald Woman identity. Like I said, I just think bald heads are super attractive & it's time to start letting the beautiful Bald Woman inside me come out & live my Truth without hair up top. Thanks so much for your videos, very much appreciated & very helpful & beneficial. :-)
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
Go to the barber for the first shave as you mentioned. Then shave every few days to get your scalp used to be shaved. After a few months you should be able to go to daily or every other day shaves.
@agoogolofgeese2 жыл бұрын
How’s the bald life treating you a year later?
@Benirked472 Жыл бұрын
I feel bad for you doing that all men hates bald women they don’t look right
@philhoward66154 жыл бұрын
I just started head shaving . I tried using my double edged razors which I love for my face but not practical or comfortable for the head. Gave me a bad razor burn for some reason. This was really helpful.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear!
@bluegrassman30404 жыл бұрын
I would think the irritation would be from the grain of the head hair growing in different directions, at least for me it does.
@MrSITCHris3 жыл бұрын
Use a schick hydro 3
@tesfita1 Жыл бұрын
One of the best beard I have ever seen.
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@OliverPohl2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I prefer the Twinshaper, because it has two blades that cuts in both moving directions
@theclockster Жыл бұрын
Man, that was a superthick and wellgroomed beard! 😲
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@Bsquaredplus23 жыл бұрын
Great video, man! Just got a head blade and wanted to see if you can use it to go against the grain on the side and back. Bald is beautiful!
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely!
@TheJosephPrice4 жыл бұрын
The ATX was my first Headblade product. I've always absolutely loved it. I later went back and tried the Classic and Sport, and liked those as well. The Moto though, it's on a whole new level, and is definitely my overall favorite headshaver.
@knightmare10153 жыл бұрын
I believe that I will go with the Moto when the time comes and it's not too far off either. I have not started shaving my head just yet but I do get an all over buzz cut with no guard. I did try using one of my DE safety razors on my head once and I did not like the resulting razor burn and my head looked like I had the measles. But that is my usual skin reaction with a DE safety razor though. My skin breaks out in bumps all over with DE's and straight razors.
@ronaldschildt45653 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt Matt, Thanks for the great review of the ATX vs Moto. I've bought the Moto first and I had the same problem as you. I was thinking about the ATX and I was looking at you're comparison. And now I know for sure that the ATX is the one I going to buy. Keep on posting the reviews. Because you really helping others to make a good decision. Greetings Ronald from The Netherlands. By the way....you're beard is great.
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
So glad you found value in it!
@YavuzAkbulut4 ай бұрын
I think mach5 is more comfortable to grab. Also you can do details of beard at the same time.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 ай бұрын
Good idea
@christiansalazar46044 жыл бұрын
Okay, let’s put this to rest. There is only one way to get the best shave ever. That is to do what works for you. If a cart razor gives you the best, most comfortable shave, go for it. If you prefer a traditional DE razor, go for it. Do what is comfortable and enjoyable and what works for your skin the best.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Great advice, we are all different.
@jayburd42259 ай бұрын
It doesn't flex horizontal like the moto...but has a flex in the blade that rounds out
@NoBSBeardReviews9 ай бұрын
Great explanation
@mikewright95474 жыл бұрын
Just got my Moto great shave very easy best of all quick with no cuts
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@Matteo-sc2lz4 жыл бұрын
I use 4 blades.hb4 ,very very smooth
@gregpatterson85264 жыл бұрын
First like and comment! I recently started using the 5 blade razor from Wal-Mart (Equate brand) with the flew ball, similar to the Gillette fusion. I have to admit that I was skeptical about using a Wal-Mart razor to shave my head, but it works great!
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Nice! I’ll have to check it out.
@darrenarbon98907 ай бұрын
Done it for years just get Gillette fusion razor, some decent shave gel and don't let your hair get too long and it's easy , no worries, thankyou very much. You won't get closer and no faffing about.
@NoBSBeardReviews7 ай бұрын
Great advice!
@Countravendark7 ай бұрын
I use Gillette Fusion as well, instead of expensive lotions or shaving crème i use conditioner and it works good for me
@habebs73452 жыл бұрын
Good info! How many shaves can you go with one razor?
@NoBSBeardReviews2 жыл бұрын
12-15
@GrenPara Жыл бұрын
Good video. But since you shave everyday how long does one blade last?
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
I change them about every 10 shaves or so.
@GrenPara Жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews Thanks for the fast reply and help. Have a great day.
@NazSBG Жыл бұрын
I've been using the superb Omnishaver for my head for the past 4 years but at present I'm unable to purchase a much needed replacement over here in England. Does this moto blade shave heads smooth or does it leave some stubble? The omnishave takes some beating. I can shave my head smooth in 90 seconds with it.
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
The Moto shaves pretty smooth. Check out Defender razor as well. That’s my favorite cartridge razor.
@THEBLIZZARDSIX3 жыл бұрын
I have a question, I am trying to grown my beard out like yours but i have low t what can i use to help my beard grow fast?
@tylerbonser76863 жыл бұрын
Cut out anything with soy in your diet. It's loaded with estrogen.
@stevecarter57711 ай бұрын
I started using a Headblade about 15 years ago and fell in love with it! Recently I broke the finger grip and attempted to replace it, but discovered they had changed the design from front mounted blades to rear mounted which I hate! First, now I am routinely cutting or nicking myself using the new design! 2nd, I have a lot of cartridges that fit the adapter on the old design! 3rd, is there a cartridge adapter for use on the new design? AND will this help with my dome scrapes? 4th, still have the old broken Headblade. Is there a glue that will hold the two parts together? Currently have 3 round bandaids on my dome. After about 4 weeks using the new design I hate it! But if I can not correct the problem, thinking of going to an electric shaver designed for bald heads! May not be as smooth, but in my opinion safer! Any help or advice is appreciated! Or if anyone has an old Headblade from original design, I am interested! Steve aka “Lazy Dog” Cntrl De.
@NoBSBeardReviews11 ай бұрын
Interesting, you are correct. This video was made a few years back and at the time I believe they sold the original razors. Have you tried reaching out to them?
@beardedandwinning13904 жыл бұрын
I’m going to look into this.. I think I need to start shaving my head.. I use the Babyliss foil shaver.. When or how often do you use yours? Thanks for the vid..
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Love the Babyliss Foil, I use it mainly now when I travel. I can get the Babyliss as close as a blade on my sides, but the back & top of my head get slightly closer with a razor. I use a razor against the grain every Monday-Friday, and then let my scalp rest on the weekends. Im always in search for the best/quickest head shave.
@funkdaddy3.04 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews - The Babyliss two foil does great to keep the head five o'clock at bay. I wet shave two times a week and use my foil shaver for the rest of the days.
@mpcapri2344 жыл бұрын
Dude, you rockin a nice ass beard....no joke.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@davehess83744 жыл бұрын
I use the HeadBlade moto and than use the mach 3 turbo for touch up every 3-4 days BBS every time how often do you shave your head
@ME-li8mv2 жыл бұрын
Can I replace the razor with any type like Gillette? Or do I have no choice but HeadBlade's?
@NoBSBeardReviews2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure you are limited to HeadBlade carts.
@etyramone20004 жыл бұрын
Hi, nice review ! Do you think I should get HB4 or HB6 baldes with it to begin? My hair are quite thin despite my age and my skin bleeds easily. Thanks, cheers!
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Go with HB4 to start.
@etyramone20004 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews Thx for the quick answer, cheers
@kyled92032 жыл бұрын
If this is a beginner razor what do you recommend for the best shave for a veteran bald man
@NoBSBeardReviews2 жыл бұрын
I’d take a look at the Leaf razor!
@davehess83744 жыл бұрын
Do you like the omni shaver better than the head blade
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
No, prefer the HeadBlade.
@Matteo-sc2lz3 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews headblade moto is better then the omnishaver. Omnishaver is boring and I don't like
@canine72364 жыл бұрын
Is headblade sold in stores and how many times do you use a bald/cartridge and would you use any scotch porter products at the end of your head shave
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I think it is sold in some stores. I use a blade for about 15-20 shaves. Yes, Scotch Porters lotion works afterwards.
@Matteo-sc2lz3 жыл бұрын
No canine 15-20 shaves. 8-12 headshave.i am headblader
@Gadolizm Жыл бұрын
Could you please if i can use any blades later after its blade get old or just the blades of head blade???
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
I believe you have to use the Headblade brand.
@Matteo-sc2lz3 жыл бұрын
I shave every day friend but i prefer hb4 refills! Sometimes i use hb6.
@dominicdecelle4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review man! It helped a ton. I've seen the moto, but I was slightly intimidated. I'm new to the bald life. I literally put an order in while watching this.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Nice man! Reach out with any questions. Feel free to shoot me a DM on Instagram.
@hazem954 жыл бұрын
I have scars on my head and birthmarks and tried to shave and cut everything thats on my head :D , but i was using cheap razer is this any good for me?
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I would use the MOTO, it’s pretty forgiving going over rough areas. I used to shave over raised moles without cutting them.
@hazem954 жыл бұрын
No BS Beard Reviews thanks m8.Sub👍🏾
@johndeppel4 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats the Headblade Sport with an HB2 blade (used to love the HB3, but they discontinued it). There is a learning curve with the old style blade first design, but I’ve been a Headblader for over a decade now. The Moto and ATX feel weird to me and I don’t get as close a shave.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I may try out the Sport at some point. Thanks for the info!
@Matteo-sc2lz4 жыл бұрын
Headblade moto and atx they're the best
@johndeppel4 жыл бұрын
Matteo Rubado Neither the Moto or ATX give me as close a shave as the Sport/Original with the HB2/3. They are not the best choice for everyone. Some heads are different.
@justus0054 жыл бұрын
I have the sport with a atra style blade (personna pivot plus blade). Can the atra style 2 blades be used with the Moto if the adapter is changed?
@adrianbrimble31684 жыл бұрын
@@justus005 i have tried the adaptor on the moto. it does work, but for some reason the 2 blade cartridges cut my head??? dont get it with the 4 blade. never tried the 6... go carefull and slow if you try it mate
@ciantist0234 жыл бұрын
how do you groom your beard bro that shits nice
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Check out my channel, I've got several videos on beard grooming.
@papi95828 ай бұрын
I want to buy one of these but I’m scared I’m going to get cuts
@NoBSBeardReviews8 ай бұрын
That’s part of shaving. Cartridge razors are less likely to cut you.
@Mphand.4164 жыл бұрын
i wish my head only took me 10 minutes to shave lol. I use a Gillette 5 blade and it takes me about 45 minutes. I go front to back then up and down on my head. I need it to be that "Baby Butt Smooth" as well. After talking with Dave (beardedmotivation) i ordered a Babyliss foil shaver. After talking with Dave ( Bearded Motivation ) I ordered a Babyliss Foil Shaver.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the Babyliss Pro Foil as well. It’s a great shaver and almost as close as a blade.
@Mphand.4164 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews that's awesome to hear. Should be in the mail today. I can't wait to try it out
@PandorasFolly4 жыл бұрын
Man I know I'm like 4 months late. They make a no shave depilatory shaving creme. Like nair but not quite as strong. It's marketed toward guys with REALLY curly beard because it doesnt cause razor bumps. Now it's too strong for my facial skin, but it gave the closest baby soft shave I have ever had. Better than a straight razor from an old barber. I plan to start trying it out on my head the next long weekend that comes up. Also listen to the directions. No razors near where you use it for 24 hours before or after. It will give you a razor burn from hell. They also make an extra gentle version and an extra strength version.
@ludjoh8 ай бұрын
Which one is less aggressive?
@NoBSBeardReviews8 ай бұрын
Neither is aggressive.
@ludjoh8 ай бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews Thanks! Nicked my head with the moto pretty bad before i got used with the pivoting, haha!
@peterwright9121Ай бұрын
Have you tried moto s4 stainless steel razor it cost about 75 dollars
@NoBSBeardReviewsАй бұрын
Yes, several years back. Pretty sure I have a video on it. I remember really liking it.
@jclouti44594 жыл бұрын
Great video brotha! I've been hooked on harry's lately but would like to try the new version of head blades
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I’ve used Harry’s on my cheek and neck before but yet to try on my head. I need to pick up some fresh blades.
@bluegrassman30404 жыл бұрын
Awesome beard!!
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@woohunter14 жыл бұрын
I’m thinking about getting these, have you ever used an electric for shaving or touch ups?
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I prefer a razor. Gets closer for me.
@woohunter14 жыл бұрын
No BS Beard Reviews cool, thanks!
@yourfravourite Жыл бұрын
You shave daily? Damn, I still get massive irritations on the third day, so I only can wet shave every 4+ days, how do you do that?
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
I used to do it daily, have since switched to every other day or every 2 days.
@joe_casinoacoustic17733 жыл бұрын
What about razor burn
@williamreeder28114 жыл бұрын
How does this compare to the omnishaver?
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Two different styles for shore. I find myself using a HeadBlade razor 4-5 times a week.
@lawoguns55744 жыл бұрын
Give info on shops for head blade ATX Shaving
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
I have links in the video description on how to purchase.
@manikandanr46954 жыл бұрын
Viking what are you doing here?
@DrSleep004 жыл бұрын
How long would each cartridge last?I shave my head once a week.Thanks
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
You could get several months per cart.
@DrSleep004 жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews thanks
@quincee3376 Жыл бұрын
Thx.
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@quincee3376 Жыл бұрын
@@NoBSBeardReviews i ordered the Moto the other day. Can't wait to try it.
@ixib13162 жыл бұрын
Thanx bro
@Frank-the-Tank-134 жыл бұрын
Not being rude at all but how do you get that crack full of hair. I have noticed I a lot of head shavers have the same issue
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Not sure I follow? How do I get the blade rinsed out?
@Frank-the-Tank-134 жыл бұрын
The back lower part of your head where that dimple is like above the neck
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Ahh, gotcha. Great idea for a future video. Basically, I’ll pull the skin as tight as possible in that area and shave across it every which way. Important to clean the razor after each pass to maximize the blade sharpness.
@johndeppel4 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing...but I also put my chin in my chest to really make it smooth. Never had any “crack full of hair” left behind. Over time, you just figure out what works best for you.
@granthammond59713 жыл бұрын
Beard is tops
@pwr19904 жыл бұрын
Do these take Gillette blades too?
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
No, not to my knowledge.
@eserarmani88034 жыл бұрын
is there any real difference between this razor and the razor can get at any pharmacy?
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
The motion/how you shave is the major difference. Blades are similar to other razors, but not compatible.
@SandmanFightingSys4 жыл бұрын
HOLY SHIT KRATOS EXIST !
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha!
@rainbow201120114 жыл бұрын
You look like the god Zeus with that beard.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Yoderman4 жыл бұрын
Hey this is the Facebook beard guy
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, you found me!
@priyabratadas9679 Жыл бұрын
I saved head
@NoBSBeardReviews Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah
@beardswagbbq4 жыл бұрын
Atx looks like a kick but Hot Wheel
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
It does, totally what it reminds me of!
@cic-jakevanddalgeemyers.27392 жыл бұрын
Motor wins .
@lummond4 жыл бұрын
Jump on the traditional wetshaving bandwagon, my man. You'll never look back. A lot of great beard companies also make great soaps and creams.
@NoBSBeardReviews4 жыл бұрын
One of these days!
@molly78714 жыл бұрын
Takes way to long to shave and cost way to much for all the stuff.
@lummond4 жыл бұрын
@@molly7871 A year of gillette fusion cartridges will cost more than an Edwin Jagger and about 4 years of blades. And you're supposed to enjoy it like smoking a cigar. It's like a ritual.
@TheJosephPrice4 жыл бұрын
I love wet shaving and safety razors as well, and they're definitely cheaper in the long run. But man, it takes me a good 20 mins to shave my head with a safety razor. Where as Headblade gives me just as good, if not a better shave, in 5-7 minutes, with no chance of cuts.
@lummond4 жыл бұрын
@@TheJosephPrice Just 20 minutes!? what's your secret lol
@Matteo-sc2lz3 жыл бұрын
Do you like headblade moto?
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
I do, I have not used it in a while though. I just used a DE on my head and wow, awesome close shave!
@NiklasMalmqvist3 жыл бұрын
Whats wrong with using a normal razor? That’s what I have been shaving my head with for the last 20 years. This just feels stupid.....have to change the grip for different areas.....and it must be messy every time you rinse it out....
@NoBSBeardReviews3 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with a normal razor if that works for you. I’ve actually gone back to a normal razor. Still fun to use a Headblade from time to time.
@mrpurpleman96987 ай бұрын
If you check the advert from the makers, you actually put your ring finger into the device and this allows you to swivel back and forward or glide over your dome head so you can make several passes very quickly and put the pressure you want, basically you should be able to shave your head 3-5 day growth fairly fast within 10-15 minutes or less making it much faster then a standard razer. This is the theory side anyhow, yet to test it!