Health was NEVER BIS but Always "Good"

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[@Google_Censored_Commenter]

What's missing from the analysis in terms of Adamant though, is that what Health is competing with, is not Enchanted Ward or Elemental Aversion, but rather conditioning or maybe a weapon perk. Everyone knows (or should know) that Enchanted Ward is the best perk. The question then becomes what the second best perk is, for which Health was a solid candidate. Also keep in mind when everyone was hyped about Health, SH was broken. (And still is, imo) But I do agree with your analysis. I even commented on Mecrow's video back in the day pointing out that the EHP calculation wasn't factoring in healing or pots. Didn't get enough visibility unfortunately.

[@OhKayBet]

The way I look at it is, health will always be good but not bis. I had mentioned it many times too but people will only believe what they want to hear. Especially after paying 40,000 gold per mod 😂. Thanks for your comment 🙏

[@vjtucker]

it depends on build but you are basically correct. most builds in the current meta prio a defensive perk + freedom/refreshing. then comes conditioning v health AND really the debate is between slash condition and health. it was not argued because there was no disease and SH/Ankh/Shirking Blessing/Regenerating/Healing was crazy OP. it made sense to max out health at the time. in this meta now you got disease every where & big dmg coming from different element types. boltcaster, abyss, fire mages, detos, etc. opens up the debate because slash condition can allow you to run thrust protect and stack full ele gems.

[@user-ue4mm2je6q]

Health is bis outside the war or premade bubble.

[@OhKayBet]

Health is pretty good outside of that for sure.

[@Kore_Invalid]

other way around health is BIS in war and not outside of that lol

[@planetg2125]

Health is very good, can't deny it, with DoTs and burst it is the one constant that provides some survivability to all attacks

[@OhKayBet]

health is good! no doubting that. but in a clump with external healing, mitigation cant be beat

[@MythicSapphire]

There may not be much of a trade off in determining 1 hit, but I run 4x Health and 2x Enchanted Ward in my Light DEX GS/Rapier build.🎉🎉

[@OhKayBet]

Do you use endless thirst?

[@jdub2304]

he loves me! he really loves me!

[@OhKayBet]

i do!

[@Trevlan]

I’ve been saying this since people were calling health bis. But trev ain’t shit…. Been advocating for conditioning perks since they came out. Two slash conditioning mitigates more damage than the effective health.

[@OhKayBet]

Trevlan is bis though. They’ll learn soon enough.

[@hehe152jeje6]

i thought you said jasper is ass cuz it doesn't over empower cap but ur using them. can you explain what is the reason you are using jasper on your weapon?? just curious and get some idea

[@OhKayBet]

Ayeee the fact that you’re watching multiple videos and realizing this is amazing to me. So first off. Thank you. Secondly, this video was made a before Christmas, which was before the gem testing. I also have changed my mindset on the effectiveness of Jasper. The reason for this is 7/10 times in a fight you are weakened by your enemies and in order to fight weaken in the game you need more empower. One Maelsteom and oblivion at your feet and you need to be over 50% to even notice. I was debating making a video on this topic.

[@OhKayBet]

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[@AG-oi9uj]

Common sense. Health is good if there’s mitigation. So would you rather run lots of health 18-22k no mitigation and get hit for 8k bolt caster and surpasses your health %increases perks rendering them useless OR run pure mitigation like frigid or in light aversion or conditions or ew and no health or health and get hit for half of that dmg and still have 15-17k health (this are light armor number btw).

[@OhKayBet]

you would think most is common sense but its not. New players, players who have been misinformed, or just use the trust me bro strat lmao. My take on it, is in group fights, the more mitigation the better. because you still run "Con" and and are getting externally healed. if you're in light, health is still good, but again, WITH other mitigations.

[@vjtucker]

I agree that Health is not BIS as a single perk. Its value comes when paired with other perks. This is why I disagree with the take that Mecrow mislead the scene. You mention meta has not really changed but it has from when Mecrow had released that sheet. Health was BIS because of shirking heals. With shirking heals you wanted to reach max health. When shirking heals got nerfed, bruisers as an example settled with freedom + a defensive perk (grit, shirking fort, ele aversion). Now if we want to talk about 3 perk BIS… that’s where the health v conditioning debate comes in. Health makes it easier to manage your HP. While conditioning can help lessen whatever dmg type you are most exposed too. Cant go wrong with either because after you get past your 2 main perks on your armor it’s like you said skill > gear.

[@OhKayBet]

You know, I totally forgot about the shirking heals meta because it was pretty short lived. I agree in a sense about easier to manage your HP but we’re mainly talking about clump builds. Mitigation will always win with external healing. Now which mitigation you choose will also vary and be different server to server. Meta to meta. Health can be very good on solo builds that don’t require external healing and have fast fights. Such as fire, blunder, dex, etc. it’s a really solid third perk.

[@JoshRice]

Originally mecrow said health wasn't bis, but later walked it back and said it was. I tried asking about his change in opinion in a comment but he never replied.

[@OhKayBet]

Health is a good perk, but I feel mitigation will always be king.

[@planetg2125]

​@OhKayBet I agree mitigation is king but mitigation is specific, and you should mitigate through gems to the most common (like elemental damage) and add to your gear 1 perk slot per piece to your counter build, like for me, BB is toughest fight as light melee so enchanted ward is best since I need to reduce damage loss by light attacks and their burst

[@OhKayBet]

totally agree, mitigation can be specific. stop in stream sometime and ill show you some sheets me and some friends have created.

[@fupidox5642]

You are not looking at full pros of health, also you look only from bruiser/clump point of view. Health gives you protection from everything, be it slash, thrust, magic or whatever. Also health will help you live through burst damage. Take for example healers. Right now they need protection from slash/thrust/lightning/fire and only health will provide it. The same goes for melee assassins, they will fight with every type of damage on war. Correct me if I'm wrong, but health is only perk (outside of vigor) that will help you with DOT. Most people running runeglasses, there are fire staffs, void gauntlets, pestillences and it adds up. My point is that you took this perk too much from bruiser side and forgot that there are other classes that deals with other problems.

[@OhKayBet]

i did state near the end of the video that health is good for classes that dont use Ankh, and for the classes that usually use endless thirst. i guess i more implied rather than specified that health is good for some classes. i also stated health can stop one shot builds or help you take an extra arrow. The New Glacial Tarn (Frigid Dawn) pieces for a healer running featherweight are very good to stop all the listed items for protection. as well as the koya pants, which will make BIG presence next patch. Vigor isnt the only thing aside from health, it counts as *standard dmg* which is slash dmg. thank you for the comment! i really do appreciate it. Feel free to stop by the stream and chat it up! I love new outlooks on things.

[@ChrisMantia]

Stop begin a slave to the meta

[@OhKayBet]

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