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[@MegaJensen25x]

I love Dr K and all his guests, but there's something extra special about it when Thor comes on as a guest. They really bring out something special in each other

[@fynzer5421]

a true bromance

[@friedtoads13]

they're both super logical and emotionally intelligent people. dr. k also has the spiritual edge, but regardless, they really do bring out so much in each other. 2 real ass dudes.

[@alejrandom6592]

Word

[@anxav]

*Intro & Stream Start:* 04:09 *Thor's Recent Activities & Conversation Recap:* - *Animal Well & Puzzle Solving:* 07:19 - *Relating Puzzles to Psychotherapy:* 12:05 - *Professional Success in Thor's Community:* 18:35 - *Drive & Burnout as Common Issues:* 19:40 - *Recapping Previous Conversation:* 21:00 *Understanding Drive & Burnout:* - *Impact as a Factor in Burnout:* 27:01 - *Imposter Syndrome & Analytics:* 28:24 - *Environmental Zones & Focus:* 29:41 - *Thor's Response to Negative Analytics:* 30:35 - *Drive as a Desire to Solve & Adapt:* 31:40 *Exploring Thor's "Third Thing":* - *Defining the Source of Thor's Drive:* 32:28 - *Right Answers Preceding Logic & Emotion:* 36:11 - *Impact of Early Life Experiences:* 36:45 - *Thor's Understanding of "Calling":* 44:31 - *Contrasting Thought Processes Around Failure:* 48:58 - *Grandiose Self vs. True Self:* 56:20 *The Role of Ego & Self:* - *Logic & Emotion as Tools, Not Drivers:* 59:22 - *The Ego's Influence on Logic & Emotion:* 1:01:33 - *Consequences of Ego-Driven Drive:* 1:02:28 - *The "I" as a Root of Problems:* 1:17:53 - *Comparison & The Nature of Tall/Short:* 1:10:12 *Introducing the Concept of "Duriya":* - *Four States of Consciousness:* 1:14:04 - *Duriya as a State of Awareness Without Mental Activity:* 1:15:19 - *Benefits of Operating from Duriya:* 1:16:01 - *Dharma as a Tool to Mitigate Ego:* 1:21:53 *The Science of Happiness: Hedonics vs. Eudaimonia:* - *Logic Often Leads to Hedonistic Pursuits:* 1:23:36 - *Components of Eudaimonia & Their Relation to Thor's Life:* 1:26:44 - *Burnout as a Result of Ineffectual Effort:* 1:27:39 - *Discussing Melatonin's Effects on Dopamine:* 1:27:15 *Thor's Ferret Rescue & Autoimmune Disease:* - *The Story of Mocha, Latte & DIM Treatment:* 1:39:41 - *Ferret Diets & Potential Impact on Autoimmunity:* 1:42:05 - *The Story of Henry & His Remarkable Recovery:* 1:51:06 *Accessing the "Third Space":* - *The "In-Between Spaces" as a Source of Insight:* 2:26:52 - *Meditation & Widening the Gap Between Thoughts:* 2:28:56 - *Thor's Experience of "Choiceless Awareness":* 2:30:59 - *Analogies of Crisis Situations & Scheduled Emotional Processing:* 2:33:42 *Final Thoughts & Outro:* - *Technology's Impact on "In-Between Spaces":* 2:49:32 - *The Value of Pacing & Reflection:* 2:49:50 - *Thor's Impact on His Community:* 2:52:17 - *The Importance of Adding Experiences Rather Than Erasing Negativity:* 2:56:02 - *Reframing Negative Self-Perception:* 2:57:00 - *Raid & Stream Conclusion:* 2:58:29

[@julianprofas]

Thanks!

[@TrapBoy69]

You are god's gift

[@redpanda4279]

Thank you. This needs to be pinned comment

[@zerberus_ms]

Thank you for taking the time and coming up with the titles for this!

[@JohnSmith-ui9yu]

Boop

[@riva7061]

4:14 Dr K appears 7:15 Thor appears

[@dagance]

wild thor appeared!

[@nidhishshivashankar4885]

Ba da da - da na naaaaa

[@A.Amerian]

LMAO powerful duo

[@ImAstroCodm]

the name thor so badass man

[@Real_MisterSir]

Dr. K appeared Thor spawned

[@FrostGiant91]

The sun itself did not stop us from finishing this conversation

[@jdatin770]

Damn straight it bugged out and now we're here and I'm jammin

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Is this sn Outer Wilds reference? ::O

[@hafrei]

Turns out The Universe really wanted Dr. K to read that book

[@35shadowthehedgehog]

What book?

[@leanette999]

I feel lonely and tired of being alone and no one wants me around. That special. Not that I blame them. I wouldn’t want me around either.

[@brayanaquino9188]

@@leanette999 get some help

[@Dostendite]

@@leanette999 hugs

[@Phelerox]

​@@35shadowthehedgehogThe Shiva Sutras

[@syndean]

This whole chat, part 1 through 3, was incredibly enlightening. Turns out, I'm a very logically driven person who rarely shows any emotion. Always thought logic will always be better than reacting with emotions, making emotional decisions, etc. But not only was I completely humbled by the thoughts expressed in this discussion, but I also have a new word (thought process? action?) with 'Turiya'. I still can't say it properly but damn did I completely understand every bit about you and Thor explaining and expanding on it. I have a new outlook on meditation and life in general now. I'm so very glad I watched and listened to this. I'm going back through again and taking notes now that I can focus on that instead of following the thought trains. Thank you, Dr. K & Thor!

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Dhurya? I believe.

[@SavagePrisonerSP]

That intro song did NOT have to slap that hard! Dr. K about to be a spiritual EDM artist lmao

[@MrAusdrifter]

So much info in those 3 parts. I reallly love how thor has the intuitive answers to Dr Ks questions. Will need to watch those a few more times to take it all in

[@henryambrose8607]

Thor joins at 7:15 Main conversation begins at 14:25

[@maksymushka]

Thank you!

[@batmom222]

Came for the deep stuff, stayed for the cute ferrets and MRI scans.

[@tashastarling6573]

Walking was discussed... it should be common knowledge that our hands and feet are very complex. Difficult to draw they are so complex. Thus, when we pace or when we use our hands to do things, it requires much from our brain. Walking and using our hands literally lights up the 'entire' brain (can't clarify entire but it's all of the brain that becomes activated). Walking and using your hands is very good for you. In this, even mundane chores such as house cleaning or any labour becomes an opportunity to stimulate charge and relax the brain. And help in depression and more than boredom.

[@carljthatsme94]

Hence why walking in nature and reaching out to touch the plants on your path is so therapeutic. Being a part of the world, specifically an insignificant one, is really important.

[@Whoan.juan111]

This was extremely valuable. Thank you both for using your energy to positively impact so many lives.

[@bluewingedchaoscat]

I've learned so much in the last couple of hours.This has the power to change so many lifes. Thank you so much. Both of you. ❤️

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

This 3 part interview is such an enjoyment. Makes my current work of immense amount of data entry much easier to get through. Thanks for the value Dr K and Thor 🙏

[@ChriSaito]

It’s so easy to forget about that third space exists. I’ve listened to it in the past and had things go amazing. I’ve also in retrospect remembered situations where it was basically screaming at me but I just wasn’t aware enough to listen. I really needed this talk because I’m finally listening to it again and it’s going to mean I have to make some very hard choices. There were some things said though that give me the confidence that this choice is the right one. I look forward to practicing listening to that voice in the future.

[@kedityt]

Watching multiple streams has really helped me understand the goal of meditation, and the sense of what ‘muscle’ to exercise gets explained in many different ways. The explanation about the gap or transitions between different things is the analogy that really made it click along with the other explanations!

[@jceggbert5]

Dr. K's wide-eyed enthrallment during these conversations is quite captivating, and fun to see

[@dagance]

Hi, Dr K! Amazing talk! You and Thor are such a great combo. I really hope you two will meet again on stream in the future and continue discussing these kinds of topics. Also I just wanted to say that the sketches you make in streams are really important part in my process of understanding these topics. I'm curious if you could consider making them available to the public in some way after the streams, provided it would benefit others, of course.

[@JEANPIXBN]

❤❤❤awesome interview, thank you so much to everyone who helped to make it possible!

[@EylsRichEntity]

Thor's the type of guy to shoot himself in the leg so he can learn how to treat a gunshot wound.

[@ninjabagel01]

I've watched and have found helpful/insightful and interesting many of your talks with guests, this one is just something else though XD the breakdown of "calling" and "ego" in the real life example of Thor and then the tangent about ferrets going into brains was ridiculously interesting and i'm so glad it happened :D

[@Xenonia]

Thank you. Both of you. How clarifying, truly.

[@BaxtonTiger]

This. This is actively changing my life. Between listening to Thor. Your first interview a while back. And this one. My entire life is finally. Finally I'm escaping the depression and the fear. Slowly. But surely.

[@TheFubit]

Please upload these to podcasts if possible! I would love to listen to it that way.

[@squeezysoft]

Holy hell, I really needed that. Thank you for sharing this conversation. ♥

[@TrillCozby]

This was awesome. I have always done this same thing of just "doing things" and have never had any idea how to explain it to people other than "I just do it". Interesting to see there is actually something to it.

[@sytorias7143]

Being a T1 Diabetic id love to see Dr K talk about how cronic medical conditions effect mental health as ive been ahving a really rough time with it

[@shindig9000]

This stream makes me cry. I understand so many of the ideas but feel so held back by trauma and individuals in my life that do things that hurt my emotional state to a degree where I feel I can no longer try or do anything, like going completely reactive for the most part. I'm hoping that sitting in this terrible state for long enough will help me to come out the other side being able to utilize this information. Thank you so much for having this stream and I hope you two will do another in the future where we can get an update on how this information in the conversation was used to improve some aspect of Thor's life / teachings and also dig even further into these topics and ideas if possible.

[@TheAlexDouglas]

Try mini actions. I know the feeling. Try mini actions and you Will see that every single thing can influence good for your mind. For Example, talk in the past about dark feelings “I felt” instead of “I feel”/ I WAS instead of I AM. THese things helps a lot.

[@shindig9000]

@@TheAlexDouglas I definitely believe these work but it doesn't feel like it hits the core of my issues, as I don't want to take any tiny actions because the feeling to need to avoid the negative reactions of a certain individual in my life that I have to be around. When I think about it it doesn't make sense because even not doing anything can still get a negative reaction out of them but it doesn't feel as bad because what really hurts is when I'm trying and then get hit with the unexpected negative emotional abuse. I think some of those things would help build up confidence and skills but I can't bring myself to want to do anything because of this negative feedback if that makes sense. Thank you for the reply.

[@TheAlexDouglas]

@@shindig9000 Look, there are THREE Stages when youre trying something: They Laugh and Say youre not Good enough. They Hate you and Will tell all bad things about it. They ask how did you get results. . But let me be clear: You can get out of this Emotional Trap of Someone by making your efforts and just dont caring about the other. The only Person you Will be with until the day you die is YOURSELF. So, dont listen or fight with someone Worthless(your father, mother, boyfriend,girlfriend,brother, etc).

[@TheAlexDouglas]

@@shindig9000 You need to do it, because YOU WILL WIN at the end by doing your things. If they are abusing you physically, go to the police. If they scream at you, go to the police. If you dont want to. Do the first steps of your Plan to get money, move out to a tiny place, get tiny expenses, go for your life. Dont Hold yourself Back because another Person.

[@TheAlexDouglas]

@@shindig9000 Be fearless, listen to god: You dont deserve someone abusing you. You need to get yourself together.

[@_WeDontKnow_]

2:48:00 this is so effortlessly great from Thor, both interviews with him (or all three, lol) are some of the best on this channel.

[@OverlordMake]

I would binge-watch either of Them do a Let's Play of Disco Elysium !

[@aguspuig6615]

Im pretty sure DrK has played at least some of it on stream!

[@OverlordMake]

@@aguspuig6615 Link?

[@crazymike7883]

Thor talking about ferrets is like how we use to talked about our favorite animals when I worked at the zoo. It's so awesome to see and hear.

[@joshuadillhunt8707]

One of my old favorite activities was in Burnout: Paradise. I would take the fastest speed car I had, and just cruise around the highway loop. My roommates and I called it "Zen Driving". Hit that middle ground in no time, and would loose 20 minutes just being in the moment. Thank you both for the videos! Can't wait for the next one!

[@halofreak1990]

I've had a similar experience with Mirror's Edge: Catalyst. I could spend hours just free roaming the rooftops

[@Haitch12341]

@@halofreak1990same for me surfing in cs

[@kurtwesterman4315]

I wish we had that drawing from the previous part about the flow state. It was getting so good.

[@zaidaliahmed7869]

2:30:00 Reminds me of the scene from Matrix where the oracle says, "You've already made the choice, you're just here to understand why you've made it" I wonder if the Wachowski sisters are spiritual or what, but this talk really reminds me of the Matrix.

[@kylespevak6781]

22:48 Funny enough, in Japanese these are actually separated by two different words, 嬉しい (happy like joy) and 幸せ (happy like satisfaction in life and well being)

[@everchangingform]

It was awesome hearing Dr. K talk about choiceless awareness. I came across this view point a few years ago from one of J. Krishnamurti's speeches here on KZbin.

[@Mico-Xiyeas]

This is a really cool guest, i hope you adopt him

[@raygunn1470]

I just saw the part 2 today for the first time. omg

[@tonib111]

I was not expecting a ferret talk but i'm loving it

[@jkman10]

57:47 Dr. K wanted to make sure he wasn't having another michael reeves moment lol

[@georgeindestructible]

We really need like a 4 hour conversation with D.K and Andrew Huberman, seriously.

[@ThunderSen]

meh

[@maddscientist82]

EVERYONE LIKE THIS AND AGREE.

[@anthonyskrzypczak9437]

I barely pay attention to huberman, but everything I've seen at a distance screams ego to me

[@maddscientist82]

@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 what exactly have you seen? And if its been at 'a distance', why not take a closer look? His podcasts are very good and he always conducts himself very professionally, some would argue overly professional.

[@seyadeodin]

nah

[@gangapoornima]

Yaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy They are back !!! You guys are doing an awesome thing !

[@Parcolai]

I love how this stream progressed.

[@portobellomushroom5764]

I love how these streams are basically just Thor doing Therapy with a live audience, and now we all get to benefit from it because he's so healthy and articulate that he already has most of his shit figured out

[@Promatheos]

The hemisphere’s being in “competition”is like some players in your raid saying we will win if we use our characters to attack the boss. Other players saying we will win if we use our characters to heal each other. Two very different approaches but when working together create a synergy.

[@creatureoflegend2635]

Ferrets are such sweethearts! They are like little springs filled with joy.

[@ic7846]

2:33:23 The first time I moved to Japan to live there 6 months. Now trying to live here permanently but I didn't feel the same calling as when I prepared for those 6 months.

[@gozo1409]

Dr K. Think of Thor’s pacing walking in a circle in town, to where in league you get to lane before creeps and you spin in circles under your tower or in lane waiting. I believe these are the same thing.

[@gordahnculous]

Never thought I’d be seeing ferret MRI scans today but I’m not opposed to

[@wildernessfarming7726]

It would be convenient to have links to the original two videos.

[@taras2582]

funny that i started noticing the pauses between breaths in and out before he even talked about it

[@TSPage]

Synchronicity 👀

[@brainstormsurge154]

I'm curious about hunting ferrets and mustelids in general. Also if there's any breeding for them specifically like you mentioned about the polecats being bred with other mustelids.

[@cliftut]

26:41 Burnout and meaning: Here's a tough one: What to do if you work in fast food or small store retail and you "know too much" about the problems that job contributes to, so it feels like a conflict of interests? Yet you aren't in a position or headspace to move on or try and find a better matching profession or job. The burnout aspect can make it difficult to have the energy to pursue the life changes necessary to change the situation. Naturally, things like therapy or Dr. K's guides, whatever's available and seems like it might help... using resources available to step towards working on yourself could help. It can be hard to reach that point though, if you're low on energy and getting sucked into dopamine timewasters when you're free. I'd imagine many can relate.

[@joshuaworman4022]

Thor brings up a great point that i think generalises to conundrum around all eastern stuff in a sneeky way. If i feel like "im going to meditate until im a powerful person" tgat happens best when one has a strong sense of self. So having a good ego is the necessary to become mindful and detarched just to persiat on the journey

[@tylerdavis3]

Self and ego are not the same, the ego is the identity you’ve created for yourself, but it isn’t the self.

[@joshuaworman4022]

@@tylerdavis3 i see

[@kefinnigan2]

Any link to the opening song? It's a banger, it'll fit well in my bojack horseman remixes lol

[@triforce_xiii]

i had rats, that were running in circles, tilting their head and the doctor said it was a kind of a inflammation of the balancing organs. if treated, it can heal. but the later you do something, the more chronic it gets (or the stronger the residues of that behaviour persists). if not treated within a relatively tight timespan, it will prevent the animal from being able to eat or drink, it will die while going in circles, the head 90 degrees to the side

[@jceggbert5]

Fun fact: I have crippling ADHD, sleep apnea, and mild insomnia, and Wellbutrin (norepinephrine + dopamine reuptake inhibitor) substantially helps with all of the above.

[@Coziest777]

One of the best talks so far

[@Xeros08]

For the first time in my life I've really heard something that feels like a shift in how I see things. I'm also a developer, but I was so stuck thinking on other stuff that I didn't realize that the problem solving techniques I've been doing for years, could be used as a framework for self improvement. Logic is like and IDE and Emotion is like a ChatGPT. 😂

[@zahraghandi1361]

How can I like this video more than once? Many many more?

[@snubbiyu_biyu]

The inbetween dr. K is talking about is really similar to the Daoist idea of Wu wei. Really fascinating stuff

[@jasonjavelin]

We were told that our cat has Cerebal Palsy but what you descrived with a “wobble cat” is way more accurate for our Luna lol. She’s pretty much normal but is pretty uncoordinated and her head wobbles a ton when she tries to focus on something and is very stimulated lol

[@HunterLawson_GameDev]

(There's a lot of I's in this comment, from someone wanting to use less lol) Do you have resources for decreasing the ego/"I" usage. That is something I struggle with a lot, an extremely high percentage of my thoughts and sentences start with "I". Not all come from the Ego, but even when it's not, I hate the sound of me saying/thinking I. I love these conversations you two have, they are fantastic and very much on topic for what I am trying to change in my life. Thank you for doing this, and I hope you have more in the future!

[@tashastarling6573]

I'd like to know what Shiva is. I'm not sure why, I'm kinda new to this stuff, I have some ideas why it's useful but honestly I don't have any idea what Shiva and the culture is about. Perhaps useful in relinquishing ego. In changing, and finding new ways to be recharged.

[@JuanFernandoCastroReyna-jn4te]

I love that intro remix

[@Whoan.juan111]

What is the book that dr. K mentioned reading? all about tapping into awareness more directly.

[@FullAnimania]

You two need to make this into a regular thing. The amount of stuff I learned in these talks you had is insane.

[@hoodedy]

they need a podcast

[@RyzawaVT]

I definitely run around in circles in games, often without thinking, it's a real thing.

[@Hayssss]

Be on my own journey in that regard @ 2:27:20 very spot on about the silence between the thoughts. great way to think about it. thank you. Edit: I'm learning a lot this episode, the whole the choice is made you just follow it. nailed it @ 2:33:14 i follow everything your talking about. Honestly came into it on my own, then again the higher self = existence = everything = one = all.

[@marreco6347]

I absolutely was pacing in games 😂😂 I used to just drive randomly in GTA V everyday before sleeping

[@crytalfactory]

Are there other interviews that are similar to this?

[@ghostspyx5]

This conversation feels like modernized philosophes and gurus meeting to discuss life.

[@ArtemiusJosephian]

I really want to know the name of that music which is playing before the stream begins.

[@LautaroQ2812]

How do you work "12 to 16 hours a day"? Legitimate question. I understand that basically that is "you work for X amount of time" but my question is HOW. My energy could never let me be doing something for 15 hours a day, even less by sitting. And then if I wanted to have a small chat with a friend or family member, or have breakfast. Or if you have to cook or clean. That takes time. Cooking something that is not a horrible pre cooked meal takes AT LEAST (including eating it at a normal healthy speed) 1 hour and a half or more. Maybe 1 if you're like super fast and don't care about doing it well. So that is 2 to 3 hours a day if you ate only lunch and dinner. Not counting other things. Out of 24 hours, you sleep the "bare minimum" (or what is enough for you), let's say 5 hours like Thor does. You get 19 hours left. How do you spend 15 or 16 out of those 19 working, not moving basically from where you are doing whatever, EVERY DAY. Usually these people have a lot of money. I don't mean it in the bad sense, but rather in the sense that they can put in all that work hours and comes to fruition which is great. I can't do that and could never accept the idea of waking up, working the entire day (minus 1 hour and something for the meal) and then shower maybe and go to sleep and nothing else. After the 2nd day I'd do that I'd just want to go transcend myself lmao. I don't mind doing repetitive tasks, as long as I can mix it up a bit or have a good break from it.

[@Mico-Xiyeas]

Well 1 year ago I was terrified of working and never was gonna work and on disability, I actually never even socialize or had friends. Then I was forced to work. I also had many dreams and goals and a really bad situation I had to get away from so in a sense I had no choice but to work. I was also homeless. But working long hours wasn't necessary itself, but definetly required to live in a sense that I could not see my self living without my goals. Now I'm in a broader mindset that whether I achieve my goals or not doesnt matter, pursuit does. So I pursue them. Difficulty doesn't matter, achieving or failing doesn't matter, simply trying regardless of failing. Join a job, quit it later who cares. But once you're in you're just kinda in and it blends in. I didn't even want to work for 2 hours, now I started working 10-12 hours and sometimes 6-7 days a week. Requires a strong faith and direction that what you're doing matters, everything you're doing matters and is for the better. Including when you slack, should all be considered as part of the plan. Also health. I already learned a crap ton of health so I well off. But i find it pretty important to follow health for it to be tolerable. Without Magnesium my first job gave me the worst pains I've ever experienced, and my feet were completely numb all day I thought I was gonna lose them. I took Magnesium and I didn't feel any pain in my body, or feet, or numbness at all. Just regular operating. It also somehow makes me less spacey and low eyed so in a sense more alert but without the actual increase in arousal. Following a solid health/vitamin regimen, having good mental clarity (learn all that from this channel) will set you up for doing anything. The issue however is not just doing it with anything. I would do 10-12 hours, 14, 16 hours, days, weeks in a warehouse or coal mind but not in an office. Meanwhile some others can. So it's kind of a pick and choose. But again I wouldn't want to work those jobs ever to begin with even for a minute. That's very important. Decide what you'd work with to begin with.

[@Karlyr_]

1:05:00 I like the comparison with social media, but at the same time I feel like there's a distinction there. Because I do argue a metric ton on social media. But I also feel like I know when to pull the plug. Like once the other party resorts to insults and not facts, there's not point. I leave. The guy just proved my point, he lost composure, he rather insult me than try to understand me. Which is also where I try to pull the plug myself. If I can't understand what is coming at me, I'll try to do research, understand what I failed to understand. I should also say that the only times I do argue is on subjects that I already have a grasp on and try to spread knowledge on it. To at least try to minimize the wrong that the comment could bring onto someone reading it and taking it at face value. (Them eventually falling into an echo-chamber of misinformation). The goal is noble in my opinion, but I also see why it could be perceived as arrogant and detrimental if someone judges themselves too highly (from the ego... and I feel that if I keep listening we're gonna get to that point xd )

[@cliftut]

55:52 I tent to be suspicious of both "shoulds" AND wants. Because want often comes from desire or emotion that is fleeting or only comes from part of the personality. I think the "third thing" should be examined as something different from want per se; though it may line up with it sometimes, there's potential for misunderstanding there. That's my impression. There's important space here to examine the difference between "self" (essence? "being"?) and "calling" as they discuss in the video and the source of "wants".

[@Svarzter]

Can anyone link to the music at the beginning? That mix?

[@Purogatorium]

I don't think it's intended, and I have no clue if someone else has already mentioned it in the comments, but the scene transition is applying a fade to your audio.

[@T3FAT]

I thought I was running between ego and Turiya, but around 1:33:00 I realized that I still running in the ego. I do however believe in some areas with stuffs I do enjoy I work in Turiya, because I recognize those patterns with certain things in life. But then other areas I enjoy less, I do for my ego. Very interesting conversation. Will continue listening now

[@T3FAT]

2:31:47 I realized I think this is what have made me not go full Turiya. Because what I want to achieve is leave a footprint into the world. Giving off a unique mark and produce something unique. But right now I sit with a unique project and I have tons of fun and I can spend hours on it. I still do not know if this unique project will be the real project that leaves this unique mark. Which makes me second guess and not go full Turiya. Which makes me focus more on my ego life because I want to go back to the ego. I do not know if this makes sense, or if this is just my ego trying to make sense because I want to say I'm full Turiya. Well I will spend some time considering this.

[@T3FAT]

2:50:00 What is funny is that sometimes I have done this with a group of friends, no talking or anything. We just run around in circles and do nothing.

[@dyl9833]

More Thor, please!! These conversations have been so interesting!

[@gamerdweebentertainment1616]

Does Thor Journal or Dr K, cause I have hard time finding a way to sort of log the process? Tried Journaling few times, but it fades out and I forget to read the history afterwards.

[@themissionary58]

What do you mean by "log the process"?

[@gamerdweebentertainment1616]

@@themissionary58 Journaling to me at least seems to mean you're writing your own story, history, can keep check on habits etc. so essentially logging your life/thoughts. Even currently wrote some things down, but I bet your ass next week I go to therapy, I forget too talk about it or even won't for some reason.

[@naukumaija7056]

@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 The point of journaling is not to write something that's readable afterwards. The point of journaling is to process your thoughts and emotions. You can journal without ever keeping the pages that you write down, you can journal on MS Word and then immediately delete what you wrote. The important part is the focus on processing your emotions and giving yourself time to do that. If you want to remember specific things to talk about in therapy, I'd do that in a phone app and just do a note in the style of "- talk about what happened on thursday in school". Journaling doesn't have to be a log. I guess if you really want it to be, you can write it like that. But that's, as far as I understand journaling, not really the aim of it. You don't need to remember what you wrote, if you need to remember/bring smth specific up later, do a separate short note for that.

[@Mico-Xiyeas]

​​​​@@gamerdweebentertainment1616Journaling is just about dumping every thought you have at the moment and putting it on paper to clear your mind and also let you see clearly or see where things go It's not about keeping score or anything, I don't even read them again and I've written 10-20 pages in single sessions. I've never once looked back lol. I mostly type as my means of Journaling in random inactive DMs on discord or a notes app. I find my Journaling is quite overactive however when it's Journaling to a person. This message itself I could even consider Journaling. Its just me thinking and putting some message out. Just emptying the brains itch to put info out. A lot of progress and insight can come about from it. Sometimes not, but some sort of progress long term even if it's only done once and no noticeable benefits will come

[@cliftut]

1:09:16 So we have "self", ego, and logic/emotion as sources of motivation. Tentatively, what I see here is that these relate to different levels of self-awareness and ways of forming identity. Maybe... if you have little identity or sense of self, logic and emotions will tug you around in short-term directions, and you likely aren't even aware of the repressed or weakly formed ego driving things umconsciously. If the ego is stronger and more conscious and you're motivated from there, you might be more consistent and emotions and logic will be more reliably directed, but you will still be controlled by the reflexive comparison biasing your emotions and logic. You're still enslaved to your conditioned mind, traumas, and thought loops, but at least you have some consistecy. But you're still limitedly defining yourself - I am a ___. Beyond that, if you can start to connect with and have awareness of "self", then you start to be informed by and motivated from your sense of "meaning" as Jordan Peterson frames it. Logos in his terms, I think. And then a more conscious and individual learning process can start to help you "become more who you are", and the ego, logic, and emotions get stabilized and serve that higher process. You've stepped beyond defining yourself - assumptions - into the realm of learning. _Maybe._ Thinking out loud here. Best wishes!

[@vanillafella4893]

wait you said that dissociation increases likelihood of compulsion and addiction and glossed over it😢i relate to this and didnt even know it

[@Profoundkarma2000]

Henry is such a goat

[@VernTheSatyr]

This discussion is very valuable to me, thank you both for giving so many of us the opportunity to learn.

[@KrasBadan]

I have a question. So there was a moment when they talked about emotions, logic and ego. And that if you think with emotions and logic, you can't decide what to do. And when you think with ego, you can decide but it's unhealthy. And what is better to do is to think with this turia thingy, and use ego as a tool that is equal to logic and emotions. The question is: What is this tool meant for? What is its main purpose? What is the correct way to use ego?

[@RedUmbreonGirl]

Ego helps you exist in society. Your name is ego. You should still use it when you go to the bank, tho. Your job is ego. It's helpful for communicating with others, though. Lastly, it can protect the body/self. For instance if someone insults you, and you have a strong sense of self, it doesn't really sway you. There are other ways to protect from those kinds of wounds, but ego is fairly pragmatic for dealing with the world.

[@blinkbubs3994]

my interpretation is that there is not a correct application of ego, but we could ask other questions: how does ego serve me? how does ego NOT serve me? but those questions require that we must have ego. maybe with the practice of turiya, the more you kill ego, the more you can focus on your actions themselves.

[@crazymike7883]

So Ego as he is defining it (because the Hamcar is slightly more complicated than the Ego Definition) is technically one's prideful sense of self more than just Ego. Everyone has Ego but the tool is not yo let it guide you but for you to guide it. If that's if I understood him correctly that is.

[@raspy__]

⁠​⁠@@crazymike7883ahamkar is the spelling if you want to research it, but it is one of the 5 layers of the mind in the Hindu conception, translating to sense of I-ness and a more technical term is the one that discriminates. The five layers are senses, like and dislike, intellect/discriminative faculty, ego or discriminator, and the screen of the mind. The Sanskrit terms would be Indriyas, Manas, Buddi, Ahamkar, and Chitta. Your definition as prideful self is a sense of it, but it is the user of your discriminative faculty to protect this “prideful self”.

[@crazymike7883]

@@raspy__ thank you for the information its a little hard for me to fully understand some of these concepts myself because my meditation journey if you will started on my own and I didn't want it to be tied to a faith or spirituality. so thank you for the proper spelling and the descriptions. And I'm sorry for any miss information.

[@Gina_S222]

OMG the intro music!!! 😍😍😍

[@twentthatway7168]

Thor said people have reached out to him thanking him for changing their life. Idk much about him but now I am curious. Does he have some sort of program or something? My apologies for not knowing much 😅

[@b9brett]

when i'm talking to someone on the phone it's too hard to pay attention to a game so i usually just run around my base in a big circle. (ARK)

[@jse230379]

As a kazuya main i operate from "doriyah" all the time

[@Haitch12341]

Legit took melatonin and couldnt sleep because i couldnt not stop shaking my leg, ive got adhd and got the leg stimming where i just constantly bounce it but it was not at all the same thing i just could not stop it it felt so uncomfterble

[@Mico-Xiyeas]

Same here but I fixed. It just take Magnesium. Hyperactive leg is the inability for body to control its contraction and relaxation. Magnesium manages that and the constant pain goes away in your body to.

[@skyetharsis7136]

im very curious, with this talk about (specifically Thor's) drive and ego, doesnt the like prestige of runnjng the "largest ferret rescue in the US" sound like it comes from the ego? or is that different?

[@TSPage]

If the goal is to rescue ferrets, by doing a good job at that “calling,” a byproduct can be things that manifest as statements of ego. The origin of “largest ferret rescue” isn’t, “I want to create the largest ferret rescue” (ego) The origin is rather “ferrets suffering is awful, and they need help” Once a Dharma/Duty is established, ego will certainly become involved again, but instead as a tool to drive forth a greater purpose. Hope that makes sense :)

[@skyetharsis7136]

it does make sense, thanks! very interesting stuff to think about.

[@buster2134]

He has ego problems 100%. Probably some Cluster B traits. I have a friend exactly like this. Inconsistently consistent... Confusingly convincing speech...

[@TSPage]

@@buster2134 I'm curious as to why you say this is an "ego problem." I can certainly see the ego, but could you explain your reasoning as to what makes its manifestation a problem?

[@DontBother_YT]

He's not stating from Ego. There are other ferret rescues, but the goal is to have the statistically largest facility to harbor and treat rescued ferrets. He wants or rather he intuits that the universe is guiding him to realize that goal. Whether he consciously or sub-consciously understands that is not for us to decide, that's up to his connection with the universe around him. He saw a dire and present need for these little goblins to receive proper care and scientific analysis to heal them, and now the universe has provided the path to do so.

[@Skurian_krotesk]

daaamn that hairstyle is slick af!! Alok is lookin seggsy :D

[@tutata]

What's the name of the book dr k was reading?

[@SikGamer70]

56:50 Reminds me so much of the rhetoric I would hear often from some League players' complaints about ranked - they focus on the external factors of lost games (my team sucks, their team is stacked/smurfing, this/that champion is trash/OP, etc) come out of a loss learning nothing and then accuse ranked of being a coinflip (gambling) and a grind. Well of course it's a grind, they're bashing their head at a wall without introspection, without learning why bashing their head against a wall is a bad idea. But they just ignore the pain (if I grind long enough I'll get master/diamond/whatever) and keep on bashing with apathy and cynicism. That is fundamentally what it means to be hardstuck.

[@anirudhviswanathan3986]

So Thor discussed that he sees the impact of his work and that motivates him a bunch. But what if you're a creator who's just starting out, having very few subs to begin with, and you're releasing your videos to barely 8-10 views? Where watching your analytics show like, barely anything, making the impact of your work, even more ambiguous?

[@MrLazyfella]

Just watched part 1. I can find part two at all?

[@Slumdankers]

It's in the "live" tab on the yt page. It's about 15 minutes.

[@cliftut]

Next episode: Will Dr. K actually be able to resist the temptation to rant about pickup artists if the stretch goal is not met? (I really want to hear his thoughts, too, so fingers crossed, lol!)

[@hilltotryon]

How do you sleep for 5 hours a day