Heath Ledger vs. Joaquin Phoenix

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[@KarstenRunquist]

who is your favorite joker

[@clarkscr3619]

Karsten Runquist Jeff

[@IluvUFCgirl4eva11]

Heath

[@quinnkonneman]

Lego Batman 3: Beyond Gotham

[@hispanic_individual7523]

Jack Nicholson. But yet again, Heath is the best without a doubt.

[@victorconb9848]

Heath Ledger

[@ultron-5600]

Heath Ledger’s Joker: Chaos Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker: Trauma

[@Tw1npmo]

Trauma From One Bad Day

[@noahnederlands7642]

TayPlayz AndMore more like a bad life lol

[@IfYouMeetAWolf]

@Vincent L. *fingers starts itching*..... *there *at

[@oddfreaks6452]

TayPlayz AndMore Joker in the comics says he’s one bad day away from everyone being like him. Joker 2019 is about a man who hasn’t had ONE good day

[@cameronallen4071]

What about Jack nicholson??

[@georgekromidas5097]

Joaquin Phoenix: The perfect representation of Joker before he became the Joker. Heath Ledger: The perfect representation of Joker as the Joker.

[@alexysese1437]

Even in the credits, Phoenix was credited as Arthur Fleck instead of Joker

[@SR77736]

Agreed

[@zenobia997]

couldnt be said better

[@jadedandbitter]

No, Heath Ledger played some guy referred to as the Joker- and he never even refers to himself as such. Behavior wise he isn't even close to the classic Joker at all. He's not deranged at all, he's just VERY sociopathic. The best representation we've had in live action of Joker as the Joker is probably Nicholson's take-he's the only one of the three that genuinely seems to be having fun, and the Joker definitely has fun. It's just that his definition of "fun" isn't very in line with the rest of humanity. Revenge isn't even his focus, per se; he gets that out of the way very fast. The attempt to gas the entire city is motivated by something else- basically his form of a "joke". Now, not limiting the scope to live action, the best Joker as Joker we've had PERIOD is Mark Hamill's, by a long shot.

[@jarvisnick3438]

Finally a perfect explanation

[@crazylegoids9227]

Heath Ledger showed us what a person could do to a city Joaquin Phoenix made us understand what a city could do to a man

[@alecrobbins3989]

awesome

[@sriganesh7958]

Great man

[@VikingBadass94]

the duality of man!

[@rionking5011]

That was an epic comment well done here’s a cookie🍪

[@pripyat.sadboi8092]

good analogy 👏🏻

[@CFNnucci]

Jared letos joker: “could you introduce me as joke”

[@theasherroseman]

heath ledger joker: “could you introduce me as joe?”

[@whawha8808]

@@theasherroseman who's Joe?

[@chaotickappaandalohasnackb2951]

Jared Leto was never the Joker. Just the Joke

[@scuffedgameclips8034]

@@whawha8808 J O E M A M A

[@whawha8808]

@@scuffedgameclips8034 You better not tell Yuri that

[@rtolas1]

A 2 hr film with Ledgers Joker would be overkill. His lack of screen time, like Darth Vaders, is part of what makes their characters so threatening and engaging.

[@lieutenanteymnotsirius8977]

RT 86 Heath has around 45 minutes of screen time, that’s a lot.

[@rtolas1]

@@lieutenanteymnotsirius8977 it is for sure, but its not a joker movie

[@lieutenanteymnotsirius8977]

RT 86 Yeah you’re right.

[@bullymaquire8797]

RT 86 a heck of a lot more screen time than Phoenix as the actual joker. Then again we didn’t truly get to see Joaquin as the joker at all really...

[@mexicanakinskywalker6762]

less of something is always more valuable. Remember that

[@Kevin-hn7en]

The joker literally made me feel like I was also going insane, I can’t explain it I just felt so in tune with the movie.

[@KNXGHT.7]

Same

[@Oyuki-Mayonesa]

Joaquin's performance sucks you in and takes you along for the ride.

[@KNXGHT.7]

@@Oyuki-Mayonesa he did a amazing job you just don't know how to watch movies

[@lt-colviper3570]

NightFall 76 she wasn’t even insulting the movie bruh, read carefully

[@KNXGHT.7]

@@lt-colviper3570 I'm smh i dont know how to read lol sorry

[@Reaper-ml6ly]

Joaquin Phoenix: The Origin story of the Joker Heath Ledger: The Joker in his Prime

[@tweedycheetah2083]

Stolen

[@bigal2748]

Jack Nicholson: The Joker as a gangster who takes over

[@hdwarrior6304]

Heath ledger is trash compared to Joaquin Phoenix

[@travisscottlover911]

@@hdwarrior6304 lmao not even

[@fckinfruit6776]

Yes

[@CamSpooner]

Leto: When I was a kid I said I was going to be joker and everyone laughed at me, well no ones laughing now Phoenix: Can say that again pal

[@kayozzy]

Then Leto kills Phoenix?

[@madkatyt968]

youll get your rent when you fix this damn door! Lol I wonder how no one has seen the connection eh nvm

[@taytayqueen7024]

To me, Heath Ledgers Joker has a sense of terrifying urgency. Joaquins Joker is an eerie slow burn.

[@Pola-Negri]

Heath Ledgers Joker is more like a fantasy about a psychopath. Joaquins Joker (after he stopped with medication) is what a real psychopath would act like. Slower, thoughtful but also incredibly confident. At least that's my opinion.

[@TheTriggaTv]

Well that's quite obvious. Joaquin is doing an origin story, which most definitely can't show urgency because he has to develop into joker. Heath is already joker when the movie starts, so there isn't development, but only amplification of the characteristics, showing urgency.

[@taytayqueen7024]

TheTriggaTv Very obvious that it's obvious my dude.

[@TheTriggaTv]

@@taytayqueen7024 has anything been ever more obvious than something that deserves a "very obvious that it's obvious my dude" , my dude

[@taytayqueen7024]

TheTriggaTv 😂😂😂 it's just bants man

[@ethanschultz5744]

Heath Ledger Joker: Why so serious? Joaquin Phoenix Joker: I used to think my life was a tragedy but then I realised it's a comedy

[@kaique8569]

It's a Fucking Comedy

[@bradyward2177]

Very different character, but I feel Joaquin does give a great feel of him being a true predecessor to Ledger

[@edwinortiz1262]

For me its MURAYYY

[@thesars101]

Yeah wtf is his saying. The only thing I can think of is when he was telling murry what his mom used to tell him

[@briannaabel8854]

@@edwinortiz1262 or "ARTHUR"

[@drake9779]

"Way shittier script" C'mon man, at this point you are just trying to be edgy

[@noahwilliams3075]

"I disagree, therefore it is edgy"

[@colasalz2]

well a wanna bee 18 year olf " film geek" who is insulting the 15 year olds, becaus men" he is an adult now"... ... what a joke..

[@TheRulerRoderickSutton]

Y'all probably dont even write screenplays...

[@noahwilliams3075]

@@TheRulerRoderickSutton and therefore we arent allowed to criticize them, correct?

[@bedicapriochalamet9584]

@@noahwilliams3075 We are allowed to critise despite our abilities but the guy was literally disrespecting the whole crew except phoenix, honestly fucking inconvenient to do that quite unreasonable it was fascinating because the crew did their shit how they were supposed to soooo?

[@angpadrino3872]

There's no need to compare "Deck always has two jokers" -Weird Badger

[@scottwall7046]

Mans choked on Jared leto’s name had me dying 😂😂

[@sbs-ds6fz]

Scott Wall ikr😂

[@Hunter-hv3qc]

I read this comment as soon as choked 👌😂

[@jacquelinestenroos2708]

I looked for this comment as soon as this part of the video played. LMFAO

[@deggs429]

🤣🤣

[@tobito2013]

Heath's is charming, manipulative, and terrifying. Larger than life. He captures your thoughts with every word he says. He's a better villain. Keeps you inside his brain while Phoenix's keeps you out and observing (not just watching). Phoenix's is sympathetic, weird, and off beat. His performance stabs you where it hurts emotionally. It asks the hard questions. He's a better perspective since Heath's thrive in mysteriousness. He makes you feel bad in all the ways. Both are a perfect fit in their own interpretation of Gotham and its society.

[@aidani4633]

Obito Uchiha yeah but Heath’s was better though.

[@AdoptedPoo]

@@aidani4633 ur special, you can't compare the two as jaqouin hasnt even played the joker yet

[@ginalinetti8975]

@@aidani4633 what an amazing counter argument

[@tobito2013]

@K1dCharlemagne Did we watched the same movie? They were trying to portray Joker's deception skills and belief that his past is a multiple choice answer. That's why he kept providing different back stories.

[@tobito2013]

@@AdoptedPoo True. We only got a few minutes of his own Joker and it wasn't even fleshed out yet but the potential was there. It was beautiful.

[@miaalexa7059]

heath’s performance was insane and personally dont think it could be topped

[@ItsSullybruv]

Exactly

[@joemomma5164]

Didn’t that performance literally kill him? Hard for anyone to come close

[@samarjeetbhonsle6000]

idk man, personally the chills were there the first time i watched TDK, but as i kept watching again and again, they died down a lot, but every fking time i watch Joker 2019 i have the same amt of chills

[@jimjam7928]

@@samarjeetbhonsle6000 I mean, sounds more like you've just watched The Dark Knight a lot over the years, you're going to say the same thing in 10-15 years about Joker.

[@HalloweenFreak31]

Hell yeah. Heath took it to a whole other level. Love his performance!!!

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

Joaquin's performance as Joker was... incredibly relatable, in a bizarre way. I'm mentally ill in different ways from the character he portrayed, but the overarching feelings and shit behind the character hit so close to home. I was crying at some parts and cheering at others. I don't know how """good""" of a movie it is """objectively""", but it moved me, at my core, so in that way I think it's amazing.

[@gee.e7644]

I love how in the beginning of the movie for Joker it starts out slow but as you progress it’s like you are going insane with Arthur.

[@allstarpriscilla]

I like/agree with this

[@whawha8808]

I almost laughed when he killed the 3 guys on the subway but I stopped myself

[@theobserver314]

@@whawha8808 Your comment almost made me laugh.

[@jithunair4526]

True

[@janimatics]

So true

[@Matthew_Robert_Vincini]

Got to work as an extra in the protest scene. Joaquin shoves me. It was great. But seriously he was really focused and in character on set. He put on sunglasses and smoked a cig after EVERY take. He was the Joker. Excited to actually see the film

[@ricimercury9490]

How was Todd as a filmmaker

[@Matthew_Robert_Vincini]

@@ricimercury9490 He was awesome. He actually gave a shit about the extras and would ask if we are ok. He explained the plot to us so we could get in character and understand the scene. Thats all I really saw of him. He made us do ten take under the cold rain machine so that was brutal lol. He seems like a hardworking director

[@ricimercury9490]

@@Matthew_Robert_Vincini can't believe you're in the film, I'm going to sneak into an age restricted theatre to watch it

[@mcbaws21]

Rici Mercury “age restricted” america cracks me up lol

[@infamousshinkicker6924]

@@Matthew_Robert_Vincini yo my homie How do you look like in that scene? I want to find you (not in a weird way). If you want to keep it a secret that's fine.

[@knight666mare]

You can't compare them they're not playing the same joker, they're both brilliant in their own way

[@tothfanni7262]

“Todd Philps director of Hangover” is killing me, its so funny how u say it everytime

[@unitedstatesdepartmentofsa7718]

Heath Ledgers performance is timeless. The fact that we can’t decide who did it better? That’s amazing. Congrats Joaquin. You’ve matched the highest bar.

[@starinitalian]

William Easley the fact that people are arguing over who did better means that both performances were priceless

[@johnnylaygo1025]

You only acknowledge Heath because he's dead

[@GobbleWobble123]

Johnny Laygo or maybe because the dark knight is one of the best films of all time, largely due to Heath Ledgers performance?

[@johnnylaygo1025]

@MR. ICE get your nostalgic ass outta here

[@DBMWM3GTR]

Heath is still better though

[@Sydney-lb7vz]

The saddest part of the film for me was when he said "but I love this job" when he got fired from his job at the childrens hospital

[@sleeplessend8683]

I agree with this and I couple this when he said “why would I steal a sign?” That made me tear up how sad he said that line...

[@BrickWolfy]

Pretty sure his job wasnt the childrens hospital, but a clown for hire doing different clown jobs

[@kingofgalaxy9061]

That entire movie got me sad bro

[@Mikol_Billy]

Sleeplessend that part pissed me off cuz the fucking boss asked him the same god damn question “they mugged you for a sign?” Then replies to “why would I steal a sign?” With “why do people do anything?” BRO LISTEN TO YOURSELF

[@SomeGuyandanAmbulance]

@@BrickWolfy A clown mercenary you might say

[@mfloatingaway]

I disliked this video on principle. Mostly I agreed, but “shittier script” and “it was okay” just pushed me over the edge. (2 years since I commented this. I now kinda agree with him lmao).

[@vntalgic]

Mia Darlington same

[@ghostlyanimations3460]

SAME!

[@juliabarrosmachado47]

He is right though

[@ashtonb7931]

J M nah

[@scifinerd17]

Chava I think a good reason for why the dialogue sounds so simplistic and the supporting characters of the film seem one-dimensional is for the reason that most of the movie takes place inside Arthur Fleck’s head. It’s all told through his perspective and it’s just his version of how things’ve happened. When he’s at that insane asylum he’s reflecting back on what’s happened before.

[@Triumvirate3]

The real difference between Heath and Joaquin is this: Heath inspired awe. Joaquin made us feel some type of way.

[@hugoboss6715]

People can't agree who was better but I know everyone knows Jared Leto's joker is the worst one

[@ansnwang1134]

Hugo Boss dude I kinda liked it tho 😭

[@TvojaMAMA77]

true, he ain't bad... but he is definately the worst one out of them all.

[@teyriaphillips8908]

Hugo Boss I liked the jadred Leto's joker but he wasn't the best

[@greenman7210]

We all can agree about that xD

[@Tom-bn6pr]

I blamed the movie not so much Leto but given that he’s acted like a pouty child over the Joker movie you lose all sympathy for him

[@SilverBlO0d]

I feel like you didn't understand how much Joker deeply reaches the unspoken levels of mental health. That movie is a masterpiece and deserves way more than an 'okay' rating.

[@MadeByIsmael]

Just because the joker had a message on mental health doesn't make it more enjoyable. Don't get me wrong i enjoyed the joker. There was nothing blatantly wrong with it. But there also weren't many things that were "AMAZING". this movie was hard carried by Joaquins acting. It's still an enjoyable experience so it gets a 7.5/10 from me

[@Gator4155]

@@MadeByIsmael Agreed. A mediocre performance by Joaquin would have decreased the quality of this movie immensely. It seems as though everything in this movie was written around and for him and he had to be the one to pull it over the top which is a ton of pressure on one person. But he did it masterfully.

[@lovelyd2929]

TOTALLY AGREEEE!!😔✊🏼✨THE MOVIE WAS FUCKING DOPE.And deep...

[@jimpickens2435]

Ismael Hernandez Look. As someone who grew up with Health Ledgers joker, and practically worshipped the movie, I can see where you’re coming from. He did an amazing job as joker. That being said, I like Joaquin Phoenix’s joker more purely because of the fact that I think he was a better actor. Does that mean you have to agree with me? Absolutely not. You see, the core of the issue is the age difference/demographic. If they remade Harry Potter/Star wars and it was super good, the people who watched the original films (us) will be biased because of nostalgia, and will most likely be swayed towards the original films instead of the remakes. This is primarily why these type of (who was better) discussions don’t go anywhere, because people already have their minds made

[@Sarpa.]

It’s deserves “above average” and Ledger’s is great

[@joh3628]

Heath Ledger: The Joker Joaquin Phoenix: Arthur Fleck

[@braydenwhite9933]

They’re both so good it’s hard to compare and they perfectly played the joker at different times in his story

[@bottomgear3686]

The thing is, Joker isn’t set in a modern day Gotham, it’s more 80s, so the film is an origin story, so no, he would not be as terrifying as Heath Ledger’s Joker. Yet.

[@tranquilit3]

Lil Von Cheeto Joaquin’s joker is terrifying more in an uneasy, unsettling way that creeps on your guts, whereas Heath’s was more in an overt way. It’s 2 different portrayals of the character hence i don’t think it’s fair to compare them. Both are great actors

[@duhvakiin3467]

Exactly. Heath's Joker was more evolved in the sense that he had truly embraced himself for who he really was for some time whereas Joaquin's Joker shows the character's origin and the journey that leads him to "find himself".

[@melancholyism]

exactly. phoenix's joker has yet to delve even deeper into insanity

[@oldacc1370]

If anything Joaquin’s joker scares me more like his laugh really started creeping me out

[@bottomgear3686]

Glock Capone ikr!

[@TotalTech_]

1989: Ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light? 2009: Why so Serious? 2019: Can you introduce me as Joker? PS check out my KZbin channel

[@alanbarrios8533]

Nah 2019 should be “ I used to think my life was a tragedy now I realize it’s a comedy

[@TotalTech_]

And 2016 should be "Oh I'm not going to kill you. I'm just going to hurt you. Really. Really bad

[@alexgruszka108]

Detective J 2019: We live in a society

[@braydenhiggins3790]

alan barrios but that’s not a question

[@danbuter]

2019: You get what you fucking deserve.

[@leemcelhenney4550]

Phoenix's joker gives you an insight of Arthur Fleck's mind and how it works, something other jokers could not accomplish

[@elitedima9672]

Heath is legend. No one can beat him Black panther is overrated trash btw

[@mkg1097]

prepare for death

[@puffy_jr7521]

Black panther was pretty good ngl

[@elitedima9672]

@@puffy_jr7521 Black panther is one of the most overrated and worst films in MCU, along with Captain marvel, Guardians of Galaxy 1&2, Spiderman Homecoming, Spiderman Far from Home, and Avengers Endgame. The only selling point was all-black cast. It is easy to bait stupid mainstream "woke" audience with political correctness elements. The story is plain ripoff Lion King, which was also ripoff Japanese animation. Ulysses klaue was good villain, but main villain was very boring, bland and forgettable. And his excuse is very stupid.

[@Hooga89]

The real difference between the movies for me is this: Heath Ledger's Joker is absolutely great, and it fits the Nolan Batman trilogy perfectly. But do I think that any of the events of the Dark Knight are something that could happen in real life? Not really. Even if their performances are amazing, I never once get the feeling that this is realistic. The new Joker however is unsettling precisely because of the fact that all of it is plausible, which actually is a big part of what makes the narrative terrifying. Just mix some mental illness together with an atomized anti-social culture that doesn't care, and the result is that you get people who will laugh maniacally while they shoot you in the head.

[@leylamatyakubova179]

Hooga agreed!

[@robert4155]

You're using plausibility as a factor of rating a movie based around a world of superheroes and villains?

[@Hooga89]

@@robert4155 But that's the point though. The new Joker proved that it's not just about superheroes and villains. Does a Marvel movie, or the Nolan Trilogy transcend itself in that way? Not really.

[@shtokur]

I agree. While The Dark Knight was really good with a interesting story and compelling narrative, and of course Heath Ledger's performance was amazing, it's not something you can relate to. Well, you definitely can't relate to a deranged, mental-ill criminal as the Joker is depicted. That being said, I think Joaquin Phoenix's Joker was much more realistic, a story you could see on the news perhaps, and much more relatable than Heath Ledger's Joker, you actually understood Arthur in some way. I think Joaquin Phoenix's Joker takes the cake for me because I love when movies add a touch of realism with creativity, but I still have big respect for Heath Ledger's Joker, and I am not saying that his performance was any better or worse than Joaquin Phoenix.

[@the_kovic]

The Dark Knight is a brilliantly written and acted out story. But Joker is a character study, a commentary of society, the portrayal is not only realistic, it's absolutely plausible and that's what makes it so gripping - and so captivating for me. I loved the film, I loved the atmosphere, I loved the performance, I loved the details and I loved the message.

[@jeremystubbs1980]

*2008:* Iron Man, The Dark Knight *2012:* The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises *2019:* Avengers Endgame, Joker

[@VarsitySniper]

didnt dark knight come out in 09?

[@channe3049]

@@VarsitySniper It came out in the summer of 2008.

[@abialston8476]

idk why it took me this long to realize avengers and dark knight rises came out in the same gear

[@mikeymichael9991]

Why you comparing Saturday morning Disney / marvel ...cartoons to great movies ?

[@DimentioDemente]

@@mikeymichael9991 Because DC's Cinematic Universe exists to bring fear for those who liked their good movies (Not hating on DC, but Marvel easily wins in the movie aspect, also, Joker was pretty good.)

[@elongatemuskatorus6694]

I mean in Joker, Joker was only joker for like 15 minutes, whereas in dark knight Joker had been a criminal master mind for quite a while

[@poopbaby]

That's because the movie, Joker, is Arthur Fleck slowly progressing into madness. Keyword, *slowly.* You don't become mentally insane in one day.

[@Xx-willtide]

Heath Ledger: the best Joker Joaquin Phoenix: the best Arthur Fleck

[@destroyerofmorons]

Theres only one Arthur thats a dumbass comment just say Ledger is better lmao

[@ET-yc4wb]

@@destroyerofmorons but we don’t really see ledger as arthur. He is THE joker from the beginning till the end of dark knight. He changes his backstory for other ppl, indicating that he is one single identity, he can be anyone, he is a symbol of evil. Pheonix on the other hand is one person, with depression, anxiety, and other mental issues. He is ARTHUR FLECK. It is not until the end of the film that he becomes a symbol. So, while phenoix is arthur fleck, ladger is the symbol that we see arthur become. I definitely agree that noone can outclass ledger performance, but the two actors cannot really be compared, as they are two different persona’s

[@destroyerofmorons]

@@ET-yc4wb Ledger isn’t even Arthur! Not all Jokers are Arthur Fleck, and I guarantee the joker in the dark knight isnt. So like I said, there’s only 1 Fleck, so obviously he has to be the best one. He literally would’ve been better off just saying Joaquin is the best joker. I strongly disagree with that but at least it makes sense

[@Stak0]

Phoenix: Best representation of Joker’s psyche Ledger: Best representation of Joker’s idealism

[@TheKingDagon108]

Well said

[@DeepScreenAnalysis]

Ledger's Joker is not an idealist, he's a nihilist. Believers in chaos don't have ideals, they believe everything is meaningless.

[@petersmittens6222]

@@DeepScreenAnalysis I think what he meant was ideology

[@manthedan4828]

Train Joker: Best Joker.

[@mohamed_Alili14]

tht's it

[@thomasstull868]

Joker has a "Shittier script" highly highly highly disagree.

[@mmartinez1441]

thomas stull Honestly. If anything, it’s one of the best that I’ve seen to be honest

[@vaskopoh9512]

@@mmartinez1441 its a simple script thoe

[@funkguylorz7315]

Vasko Pohlupkov But it’s acted and shot so well that the actors enhance the script in a way that it becomes masterful. This movie is a perfect representation of that.

[@jadaperineau7511]

@@vaskopoh9512 simplicity doesn't mean that it's bad tho. It just makes room for other cinematc tools such as camera work, music, cinematography, etc. It also allows greater emphasis on the actor's acting......which was brilliant if I do say so myself.

[@vaskopoh9512]

@@jadaperineau7511 yeah but it's still a less superior script that's shot and acted as you said

[@a.t.v3519]

Let’s not forget even Todd Phillips (the director of Joker) said he might not even be THE joker we know and love. So they are probably playing different characters. Still, in their level of acting, they both are outstanding!!

[@stayfitrideanimal]

Love the soft jazz in the background of the video.

[@c0ntra605]

joker character: *exists* KZbin video essayists: *salivating*

[@shadowninja958]

Joaquin Phoenix doesn’t play as Joker so comparing the two isn’t fair. He plays as Arthur Fleck.

[@dot.7475]

well yes for the entire movie up until the muray scene thats when he becomes joker

[@kimjisoosthighsaremylife5679]

Forgotten Syrup the ambulance crashing into the police car scenes symbolises the death of arthur fleck

[@kayozzy]

He becomes the Joker tho

[@Mimi-qw7lz]

true

[@sumeya1923]

Yeah it shows how he could have been a normal guy if people weren’t the way the were

[@tiffanycurtis4794]

HEATH IS CLAPPING IN HEAVEN HE WOULD BE PROUD OF JOAQUIN THEY BOTH DID GOOD LETO ON THE OTHER HAND IS A JOKE😂😂😂

[@MindfulMya]

Your review was a little underwhelming. I felt that both performances are amazing. You also missed out on the cultural implications and sign of the times because JOKER the character in general and the film is a masterpiece commentary on humanity and the decline. While it does take place in a comic book setting it has real-world implications that speak to mental illness, compassion and wealth/greed cutting funding for real help. Additionally, there is the systemic portion...good start.

[@agamikarma3683]

ledger : psycho criminal with psychotic ideas and motive Phoenix : depressed , distrubing and dark reality of this world Jared leto : cosplay of joker

[@BassBrothersMusic]

wait jared leto played joker? i thought he was ur average middle school kid

[@alicelemieux531]

Jared Leto literally just dyed his hair green and thought it would be enough and that I he didn’t needed to be a good actor lmao

[@jacktilghman9797]

Which is really disappointing, because Jared Leto has done some brilliant acting in the past. @@alicelemieux531

[@mitorikawashiro2962]

What about Hamil and Nicholson?

[@WhyTho525]

@@mitorikawashiro2962 Hamill : - Cartoonish supervillain (in the Animated Series) - Perfect archnemesis for the Batman (in the Arkham Games) Nicholson: - Charismatic, extravagant but psychotic gangster

[@saulgoodman8788]

well but to be fair, Phoenix's Joker was only present at the final part of the film, the rest was Arthur Fleck.

[@dcdrizzz3041]

Right, and in the last few moments after the first shot on the show he felt exactly like the Joker. Completely unhinged, yet in full control.

[@jacobhogan380]

DCDriZZZ that is true but the movie was about the making of joker

[@berain8917]

You absolutely right.

[@zakfrancis5352]

gorilla yeah it was a slow start and then it was a character development but I would’ve liked to see more time of him as the joker

[@DripBilly]

I feel like all that character development made worth it to see Joker in the end.

[@scombs6543]

Romaro: Campy Nicholson: Iconic Hamill: THE Joker Ledger: Scary Phoenix: Sympathetic Leto: Joke

[@kolamoose8717]

And they all work for the movies/tv their in Romaro is campy in a campy show and Leto is a joke in a joke of a movie

[@MarcoVideoVibes]

Broooooo!!! love your style..great storytelling in your video. so happy that i've found your channel. keep up the amazing work !!!

[@ChuckD008]

Also, funnily enough, if Phoenix wins Best Actor, it'll be two actors winning for technically the same role. Also, DC/WB will get REALLY cocky about the character (as if they weren't already)

[@Lauren_210]

Something similar like that happened with Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro where both of them won Best Actor/Supporting Actor for the same role as Vito Corleone (though Marlon Brando refused his Oscar win).

[@infamousshinkicker6924]

@@Lauren_210 woaaaah He refused his Oscar? Why?

[@shmebulock7]

HolyTHOT Begoner Because of the Vietnam war he boycotted the oscars

[@ashleywilkerson1538]

HolyTHOT Begoner he was boycotting the event due to Hollywood’s depiction of native Americans in film and TV. He didn’t even go to the event and sent a Native American woman to decline it on his behalf. You can look up the video of Brando’s speech on KZbin.

[@infamousshinkicker6924]

Thank you both for telling me this. I just watched the Native American lady at the Oscars and the interview with Marlon Brando.

[@nmndza]

if anyone says Jared Leto is the best Joker.... ...you can leave

[@gamigross]

Jared Leto is the best Joker At being terrible

[@nmndza]

gami gato ⓎⒺⓈ

[@WYKLO]

@@BatziHistory but they agreed with it...

[@teyriaphillips8908]

Fernando_ he not the best but he is the sexiest 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@kingzekrom6399]

I'mma defend Jared Leto by saying he got an absolute shitty script in the dumpster fire that was Suicide Squad

[@scottm9010]

Heath’s was far superior. What he accomplished was more impressive. This isn’t a knock on Phoenix he was also very good.

[@c4rlitos256]

If Heath didn’t kill himself and was still living you’ll say Phoenix was better💀

[@thankyoujodi]

@@c4rlitos256 "we live in a society" that thinks Joaquin's was better than Heath. 🤔 lmao

[@_Mark41]

I'd like to think that Phoenix's Joker is Heath ledger's father

[@melissam597]

I actually like that!

[@mustachecontroller1096]

More like Joaquin father is heath ledger

[@aurelien5747]

Mustache Controller nah cause Joker is like in the 80s and TDK is close to now

[@trulyz9750]

aurelien 57 you’re not wrong there

[@mufasasounds1765]

No i think Joaquin joker is heath joker young version....we see how arthur became joker in the past...heath is present joker

[@battleupsaber462]

Depends on which one lives in a Society

[@Bruh-fc9dv]

we live in a society

[@monetizedyay6827]

@@Bruh-fc9dv Gamers rise up

[@ghostofpop]

@@Bruh-fc9dv bottom *T E X T*

[@Bruh-fc9dv]

See gaming as you know is... Like air! I need it. To live. AAAAAHAHahahahahaHAHAHhhhhhhh

[@SydneyDolores]

I'm gonna harass women and minorities

[@VDL1]

"All you 15 year olds wearing gym shorts to bed" Me at 19 years old: *looks down at gym shorts* wtf

[@simonwhitlock2yearsago296]

Same man I'm 19 wearing these air force pt shorts to bed like the head ass that I am

[@nocturnal7345]

Rene Huels Not gym shorts, but I'm wearing basketball shorts 😂

[@malayman3023]

I'm currently wearing gym shorts and I just died

[@spookyskyes7661]

LOL MOOD

[@bmg9154]

it’s so comfortable tho

[@nasanoir310]

Joker is way more than "fine". This movie has aged better than any other movie from that year, except maybe Parasite. Everything about it is so iconic and high quality, there is not one thing I would change. The acting, the cinematography, the screenplay, the directing, the plot premise, etc., it's all amazing and all perfect. And performance wise, Joaquin should have one. And at this point, it has had more sustainability.

[@BostonMBrand]

I think when it comes to the Six major Joker portrayals, they can all be summarized in a single sentence or a couple. Romero is the trickster, clown like Joker. He’s enjoys silly pranks and fun. Nicholson is the mafia-gangster joker. Hamill is the Joker fully formed. Depending on where he appears, whether it be in the animated universe or a video game, he embodies every interpretation in some form or another, giving off a character defining performance. Ledger is the 21st Century’s Joker, or at least the early 2000’s interpretation. He embodies much of the nihilism and terror that existed in a post 9/11 world, but he does it in a way that is poetic, timeless, and terrifying. Leto is kind of the edgy, hot topic joker. While this might be in due part because of studio interference, his joker is much like that of a teenage boy’s idea of the joker. Phoenix’s Joker is more tragic and disturbing. While being a Joker we can sympathize with more, he is also deeply disconnected and could erupt at any moment.

[@SofaKing880]

I really feel like they are two different characters. Heath Ledger=mastermind of manipulation and chaos. Phoenix=genuinely damaged man driven into psychosis by his environment.

[@stasheman8920]

Society

[@4zafinc]

@@stasheman8920 F

[@priestof1s]

Agreed, Phoenix though was so so so so sad you could honestly see him turn into maybe what ledger played. Phoenix though was just something that hit like no other movie made.

[@roreythemadgod]

@@priestof1s if you think this please please please check out 'King of Comedy' Joker is basically a less good version of King of Comedy

[@zelda7059]

What do you mean by psychosis?

[@happystickman7255]

I’m literally 15 and wear gym shorts to bed lmao

[@tensei3520]

Same im 16

[@MrBaller3]

James same

[@EpicthedogYT]

im 17 and do not wear gym shorts to bed

[@Trolleyfox]

Fuck same 😂😂😂

[@Leaked-ke2zv]

Happy Stickman I mean who doesn't

[@ginkgothestink-o6949]

The last time a movie influenced me so profoundly was One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, and that was years ago. Joker is a very visceral film. I can’t really describe it but I do know that I love it. I just can’t stop thinking about it.

[@channelname8581]

This is literally one of the best movies I’ve seen

[@sidx328]

Heath Ledger: "I am an agent of chaos" Joaquin Phoenix: "All I have are negative thoughts"

[@GellertTV]

@@anib18 You're stupid

[@Azrue]

@@GellertTV yo don't be so fckin toxic. Its his opinion you dumbass

[@co9221]

That line from Joker was agonisingly relatable

[@ducanhnguyen6197]

Joaquin's Joker is actually so shallow

[@nefbrite6866]

@@ducanhnguyen6197 ok

[@ber2704]

i, as a fifteen year old in gym shorts, was personally tormented by your call out

[@joshuabiery]

Same

[@ashritperepu4143]

Yeah same here bro

[@sludgerat666]

💪

[@pow3r17]

for me, Phoenix wins because he did it alone whitout the counter part that Jokrr needs...Batman....for that i am more imppresed by his joker

[@justsomerandom1986]

Well it's kinda interesting how people love Heath's joker than the Batman. We haven't seen how they love Joaquin's joker than Batman in the same movie. So it's too early to compare them.

[@jimjam7928]

In my opinion, the Joker can't really exist without Batman, and as a result it didn't really feel like Phoenix was actually playing the Joker. Terrific performance, obviously, but the writing for the film just didn't really understand what makes the the character.

[@c4rlitos256]

@Jim Jam My man, did you even watch the movie?💀wdym you don’t know what the meaning of the joker in the movie was

[@codvanguard2992]

“And it was fine” *gives a 7/10* ..... yeah, your crazy this film is easily a 10/10.

[@ArezinaM]

No it is not put idk infinity war next to this movie i don't think joker is compared to infinity war i mean the movie was good but there are also a lot boring scenes

[@lovecraftminusthexenophobi4128]

@@ArezinaM Say sike right now

[@endofthebeginning6964]

It was a bang average film

[@ArezinaM]

@@yo-gl6df i don't like marvel

[@elitedima9672]

Sha Billz yeah this is not exactly 10/10 film because your opinion is irrelevant I mean, just look at your grammar dude...you can't even spell "you're" right, fucking moron. Go to hell.

[@msstephanie726]

“Like Mark Hamil and Cesar Romero and *gagging sounds* “

[@RevJ7]

That's a weird reaction to superiority. You haters be dumb af. Read a comic.

[@dumpling3534]

I was honestly wheezing at that point 😂😭😂😂😂😂😂

[@msstephanie726]

@@RevJ7 Buddy if you think Jared Leto as the joker was superiority, you need a doctor.

[@kevingiovanno1177]

@@RevJ7 ummm.. i read the comic, and still think Jared Leto's joker is a dumb as fvck

[@noahwilliams3075]

@@RevJ7 Jared Letos joker is horrible shut the fuck up

[@danielatkins4786]

The music of this movie is so good. It wasn’t just the main character.

[@ploopy2782]

Daniel Atkins It was absolutely perfect. Especially That’s Life being played throughout the movie, only to finish the lyrics at the end. I loved it.

[@chloe54251]

i feel like Phoenix's joker was more unsettling than scary while Ledger was just terrifying

[@aname959]

Both were amazing

[@celestialknight1592]

Me, 18 years old: *looks down at my gym shorts while laying in bed* “oh...”

[@bEST.Dignity]

who doesn’t wear gym shorts in bed ?

[@RicerSubes]

House of YAHWEH ..me😞

[@-angelp]

bro same

[@tabatharuby339]

I watch the dark knight only because of Joker tbh.

[@gencij5175]

Tabatha Ruby me too

[@alexissellers2147]

i think everyone does

[@CJKpoprox]

Ever since young i've always thought batman was a joke lol

[@polaroid_people4676]

He only had like 38 minutes in the whole movie yet somehow stole the show

[@adriang155]

Yeah. It felt too long and drawn out.

[@Clickbait86]

Watching the dark knight in theaters back in 2008 was an experience. I was fun when lil kids started crying cause of the joker, it was kinda scary tho🤣

[@kachiggamybigga9481]

Tell us more.

[@youmaycallmecath]

I really liked Phoenix's joker, but, as he said himself in interviews, Heath Ledger's joker is unrivaled. I don't think there ever will be a more iconic performance for this character.

[@someguystudios9174]

Anyone still waiting for The Lighthouse to come out for us to praise Willem Dafoe?

[@savannahlevy97]

(points at profile pic) why would you do that to yourself

[@josh.0220]

Whyd you spill yer beansss

[@hchappy125]

SomeGuyStudios ....what?

[@infamousshinkicker6924]

Lmao why just Dafoe, there are. 2 actors in the movie, right? I also heard that it is Dafoes and Pattinsons best performance.

[@luuketaylor]

It's not coming to the Busan Film Festival in October. I'm gutted. It's one of my most anticipated movies of the year!

[@Samuel-qe9lj]

Heath ledger stole the show, Joaquin have to carry the whole movie... it’s actually hard to compare

[@notmyfirst]

Joaquin is the main character? That's kind of what you expect the main character to do

[@okay207]

@@notmyfirst I think you missed the point.

[@flamingravenmc4058]

Well the joker movie is a worse movie than dark night anyway

[@adriang155]

@@flamingravenmc4058 The joker movie may be worse, but Pheonix is a better portrayal of the joker

[@EMPtaticz]

@@flamingravenmc4058 its so much better then dark knight lmfao

[@gorotms]

Really good and level headed review. A job well done. Keep up the good work. And I just subscribed.. ;)

[@wutguycreations]

I prefer Heath Ledger's personally, but Phoenix's Joker really hits you deep. I feel like the Joker movie was really to show how he got his scars, but this time, they're emotional scars

[@abhishakesubedi9126]

Heath ledger : agent of chaos Joaquin phoenix : source of chaos

[@ianlongo9037]

Holy shit, I was looking for the best description and you described them perfectly with 3 words for each. How tf

[@tiayvette2048]

Abhishake Subedi👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽the evolution of joker

[@WhyDizzy]

Jared leto:????(insert something funny)

[@piotrd.4850]

A no Grey Night, just Black Knight...

[@myrnacaraig2681]

Phoenix's Joker: More on Joker as a Lunatic. Ledger's Joker: More on Joker as a Criminal Mastermind.

[@tritone11]

The Joker Ledger created is made for a movie like The Dark Knight. It wouldn’t work for a a lead in a full movie. Ledgers Joker is like a 3D looking object on an actual two-dimensional canvas (action movie). There isn’t more to the character than what you saw, but Ledger masterfully made it feel like there is. Phoenix’ Joker looks 3D and turns out to be 4D or 5D. There is SO much depth and humanity which in turn amplifies the darkness.

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem67]

I swear this Joker battle would just be another Toby Maguire vs Tom Holland debate within 3 months

[@anddsheshere__]

I just like how NO ONE is saying if one is better than the other. It’s honestly just because you can’t really compare the two because they are so different with everything except for the makeup and name. 😂 both are equally as good, the character and the actor whom played them lol ok from recently just watching both of the jokers right after each other.... i retract all of my statements and believe heath’s joker is the fuckin best. imagine if he had his own little movie of him causing terror in gotham. it would have honestly been the best. 🗿

[@demosthenesva]

The only thing they have similar is their name. Heath's makeup is more like warpaint to cause fear while Phoenix's makeup is more showman-esque.

[@anddsheshere__]

Dead_Ins!de 04 but nevertheless both makeups resemble a clown. 💀 i get what you mean tho, i wanted to point that out at first, but I felt like it was gonna be too much lol

[@anddsheshere__]

Dylan LeCroy just say you like action packed films more and just go 💀💀 im kidding. its really hard, once again, to ever compare the two. me personally i liked both just as much even tho it was soo diff. i dont kno how people can just choose a fav tbh 😭

[@aidani4633]

babygurl__ Heath’s Joker was better though.

[@hendryzardmargapala8390]

Heath ledger : legend Joaquin phoenix : from zero to super villian I love both

[@juliosifuentes6499]

Heath ledgers joker wasn't legendary, he just got hyped because he died. Would you people stop. Smh

[@theoverlord3937]

Alex Brook i think he meant from the perspective of their joker’s character arcs.

[@jeda7343]

@@juliosifuentes6499 Wtf bro Heath's Joker is the best Joker. Joaquin's performance is up there with Heath's performance.

[@juliosifuentes6499]

@@jeda7343 Heath's joker was great, not amazing like it is hyped, his voice sounds too pretentious to start off with, but i will say this, something we can all agree on, heaths joker is on a god tear level when compared to the disaster of jared lettos joker.

[@Jordan-vr7ip]

@@juliosifuentes6499 Um you obviously havnt seen the previous films Heath acted in, this was why everyone thought it was funny and weird that he got cast to play joker, then when he finally came on screen you literally could not tell it was Heath Ledger, indication that his absolutely smashed the role beyond expecations.

[@5k.suckaaa]

Ngl I was watching the movie for the first time a week ago and every single time Arthur laughed it was really contagious and confusing and you really can’t make people do that without great acting this movie was really cool Edit:also when I meant contagious I meant like made me laugh to but I couldn’t really tell if I should be laughing to or not

[@uka2997]

I know this reply is late But SAME like when he laughed or like started running from something I Bust out laughing and I was just confused-

[@apharys8921]

Heath Ledger’s: A comic book character made real. Joaquin Phoenix’s: A real character. Phoenix’s Joker lacks the intellect to be a criminal mastermind as well as humor to be honest, he’s just a really messed up guy who was pushed too far, more like a wannabe Joker than anything. I loved the movie even more than The Dark Knight, his character just seems like a totally different person. He’s sad, awkward and pathetic, motivated by justice/vengeance, caring more about doing something to be noticed rather than for a laugh. It’s difficult to compare the two because they’re very different characters and both are brilliant. Ledger’s is more what you would expect of the Joker, Phoenix’s is much more real and weighty. And I didn’t see Suicide Squad but Leto’s Joker strikes me as more of an edgy angsty teen than anything, trying way too hard rather than just “being”. But apparently that whole movie was lackluster, maybe his Joker could have been better with a different script, idk.

[@gravesidepoet5405]

Being hard to compare dosent negate the ability to do so.

[@mcgyverlouw8482]

Man I nearly died when he choked on Jared Let's name

[@silliesthumanalive]

i honestly just wish people would stop comparing the two AND LET THEM BOTH BE GOOD. theyre both phenomenal. not to mention theyre both completely different so you cant compare them.

[@konzzo1525]

I know joker is meant to be crazy badass guy, who have charm and you fear him, but I really like much more this new view of the joker

[@vihaanle3010]

Ok, but what about Creed from The Office?

[@alteredbeastafterme7576]

Cmon Kevin brought the character to life fight me lol

[@howdyman5961]

ok_ Zeppelin “Damn it Creed...I’ve been up since 4”

[@Tatiianita7]

LMAOOOO HAHAHAHAH omfg

[@captainpetrson5812]

Hugh Mungus “let’s put a smile on that face” - Creed Bratton

[@leylamatyakubova179]

Omg yessssss another fan hahahhaha

[@looksfuntoplay5362]

Just watched it, we need sequel where joaquin phoenix went full joker.

[@RJR1787]

I just watched it too but I disagree about a sequel. Pheonix was absolutely superb as the joker and I can't see it being topped in a sequel. Simply brilliant acting performance.

[@lerayanvert]

No need for sequel

[@alexissellers2147]

agreed

[@internallyscreaming2788]

Don’t need sequel Joker is already hauntingly beautiful as it is.

[@Axel-ye8tt]

「Internally Screaming」 stfu we need a full joker movie

[@akajkyt]

This is a really good video, it’s annoying to see that thousands of people hit the dislike button because Karsten’s opinion was different than theirs.

[@ellyjelly4697]

Well because it was literally just his opinion this whole video. There was no real solid argument, in my opinion, just sentiment for another film and subjectivity rather than objectivity. He didn't make very good points for giving a film like Joker just a 7/10 and describing it as "just okay."

[@akajkyt]

ellyjelly I see what you mean, I mean on Letterboxd I have the film a 4.5/10, I only watched it yesterday and I found the film to be pretty great. Dark knight falls within my top 10 of all time, I rewatch the trilogy constantly, but joker was in my opinion better than 7/10. What about you have you seen it?

[@kingbaco1233]

Heaths lip licking is one of my favorite acting choices I have and will ever see. It’s such an insanely simple technique but it’s so effective in making him look crazier. He’ll pause mid sentence to lick his lips and it’s just something I appreciate so much! (The lame answer for why he does this is to keep the prosthetics on btw)

[@diogocosta1305]

my favourite Joker is still Heath Ledger's Joker but Joaquin Phoenix's Joker is also pretty amazing

[@yxngsanz2181]

Joaquin Phoenix was the worst joker. Even Jared Leto could do better. There was no action, he didn’t fight anyone and had bad weaponry. Overall, Heath Ledger was the best joker and Joaquin Phoenix was the worst joker.

[@diogocosta1305]

@@yxngsanz2181 you clearly are clueless and clearly did not understand what the movie was about and since when did any Joker have loads of action scenes?

[@yxngsanz2181]

@@diogocosta1305 In the dark knight there were loads of action scenes with batman and the joker. R.I.P Heath Ledger though.

[@beastralian]

@@yxngsanz2181 You're super ignorant

[@zakimaqsood7258]

Everyone has its own taste. Someone will like phoenix and someone will like ledger. Personally, I think I gonna enjoy phoenix more

[@rugerred8659]

I think phoenix had a better angle, better laugh and was more relatable

[@oldanev8254]

Same

[@franco6674]

@@rugerred8659 bruh that's the most dumbest thing i hheard duhhhhh Joaquin Phoenix' joker is the main character and the story was build around him so obviously he has more angle and he is built to be relatable unlike Heath who's main aim is to mess up Batman and his moral views and the dark knight was not his movie but i guess if only if only heath did not die there is no debate because he will nail it so hard but that's the beauty of movies there is always a what if

[@michaeldavid5252]

@@franco6674 chill the fuck out, dude lmao, it's just an opinion.

[@Jordan-vr7ip]

@@michaeldavid5252 well fuck your opinion

[@elisanderson5755]

Your getting so many joker headlines cuz of cookies, once u read one, they start giving u more

[@ZIMISTAK]

Phoenixes joker was great, really captured the attention of new audience and joker fans, had us emotionally invested. Now Heath ledgers joker was simply for the people that imagined what a great joker would be like with his mysterious nature on cinema, and Heath killed it. IMO Jokers character stands unique having an unknown background, it makes him different from all the other dc villains.

[@willfreeland8870]

Hit me hard with the gym shorts to bed line

[@seanza9799]

Imo Joaquin was better, the way he kept u uncomfortable throughout the film is something not alot of ppl can do

[@brettabbott772]

The film gave me anxiety because I really didn't know what he was going to do next

[@flamingravenmc4058]

Bruh but ledger does the exact same thing lol

[@seanza9799]

@@flamingravenmc4058 personal preference I guess but I just feel like Joaquin did it better

[@flamingravenmc4058]

@@seanza9799 I can understand that but Joaquin also had a whole movie dedicated to him and the character he wanted to portray, ledger was not the main character in his and unfortunately passed away before we got to see him expand his character. Who knows if ledger never died we might have seen a joker origin movie long before this one

[@AlecCosing]

What makes ledger better is his sense of being and becoming the character. His total devotion to the role with locking himself in a hotel room for a month and learning more about the role and watching films to really immerse himself into the joker is what makes me choose ledger over Phoenix. Don’t get me wrong, Phoenix did an absolutely phenomenal job, but I have to give it to heath ledger

[@gabi10cg]

Nothing can reach the greatness of Nicholson's Joker's Big Gun.

[@cannotbeblankso5972]

Where the journey of Phoenix's Joker ends, from there the journey of Heath's version of Joker starts..