Why didn't Joker have 'Mental Illness' tattooed on his forehead (Joker Review)

[@vrei0]

he didn’t say “let’s put a smile on that face” he said that’s society luv edit: ITS A JOKE SHUT UP LMAOO 💀💀💀

[@TheInternetsJanitor]

Actually he said "I'm not gonna kill ya. I'm just gonna hurt ya really really bad" obvious Suicide Squad reference

[@brandonward5856]

Actually he said "I'M THE JOKAH BABAY" Obvious Drew Russell reference

[@SumThingFawful]

Ikr, I'm pretty sure he was gonna ask the audience how he got those scars

[@avrahamsetareh9743]

"That's all folks!"

[@jaggedsigns3O11]

I thought he said "thats the way the cookie crumbles"

[@pilkers2]

The media hated this movie because it was an accurate representation of them

[@Misanthropolis]

Yup, the best part was that Robert de Niro literally played himself. He was legit like that irl. Still is afaik. I think it was done intentionally as a jab. I just love how they immediately say that it would incite ''incel'' violence...the movie had almost nothing to do with hating women...what the fuck? So he killed his mother who was the reason he was fucked in the first place...and? Not like he knew who abused him besides her.

[@Jack_Woods]

_You're awful Murray..._

[@Entasis5555]

@@Misanthropolis So you're sayin de Niro is what? Have you ever met the guy?

[@Misanthropolis]

@@Entasis5555 De Niro is a dick and that was the point of him playing Murray. It was a jab. That is what I heard at least. And have you ever met the guy? No, and that should not be a teller. Look at him in interviews, on social media and whatever, he is not a nice person. He would TOTALLY be like Murray irl if he could and wanted to.

[@Entasis5555]

@@Misanthropolis A friend of mine served him his wine more than once in a palace in Paris, it's funny because he never described him in the stupid way you do. You have to be low IQ if you can resume people's behaviour that fast, especially when you never seen them irl.

[@SinfulBoredom]

I like how they were worried about joker, but there was a machete fight that broke out at the red carpet release of Frozen 2 between a bunch of teenagers

[@LazyCatIsFat]

IM SORRY. WHAT?

[@SinfulBoredom]

lone pix101 Search it up

[@Mr.Scott86]

Funny how that works out, what's next "frozen is causing mass grizzly murders"

[@lmgamers539]

@@Mr.Scott86 I was there thats fucked looool

[@VicSellsPeace]

Sorry to ask, but where did you read that? I can't find it

[@aestheticaltwat]

The intent of this film was not to encourage violence, but shows how society encourages violence.

[@TheInternetsJanitor]

This guy gets it.

[@aestheticaltwat]

The Internet's Janitor, hello there!

[@oofchicken2894]

Absolutely correct

[@Ben-rz9cf]

The message is essentially if you cage and beat a dog, its your fault when you eventually get bit

[@naingmon]

Aesthetical Twat General Kenobi!

[@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201]

So "Joker" gets investigated by the FBI but "Cuties" isn't? It really shows that we live in a society.

[@DY2727]

Lol ikr

[@misspelicula6251]

Underrated comment

[@mooknick242]

we live in a society?

[@Jerkeerzes6]

a society?

[@HexProofMonkey1]

ikr

[@Rstraub12]

I don't think Phoenix's Joker was 'Damaged' because his forehead didn't say so

[@xxxxxx2044]

Totally agree. That and other tattoos on Jared’s joker are just so weird and forced 😂

[@KidaMilo89]

Reminded me of Post Malone's tacky "stay away" tattoo on his forehead.

[@xxxxxx2044]

rockstarcrossing exactly😂

[@KidaMilo89]

Let's just say Suicide Squad is DC meets Hot Topic. 😂

[@xxxxxx2044]

rockstarcrossing a mess lol

[@ashleyprochnow2308]

No one is mentioning how Joaquin phoenix' acting and character portrayal was so intense that we nearly forget robert deniro was even in this film.

[@djandjb1]

On first watch, as a whole I wasn't even that impressed with this movie.. but Joaquin was absolutely amazing and I think he's up there with Daniel Day Lewis in acting ability. Robert DeNiro is great and a classic character actor but he is by no means to the level of their acting ability.. I think Pacino is even potentially a better actor at his height, but that's kind of a hard case to make since the 2000's

[@kimberlyhaines107]

My parents and I love the movie. I love it more because I‘ve been through everything that Arthur has been through to some degree, and it is a dangerous road to be on, yet Joaquin captures it perfectly without insulting me.

[@Nameless_h_007]

Ja Bacon There are a few actors that should be on that list like Jack Nicholson, Marlon Brando and I know a lot won’t like this but Mads Mikkelsen , Holy shit this guy can act but unfortunately he doesn’t get great roles.

[@alexarias5717]

@@djandjb1 What about Meryl Streep 😂😂😂

[@xmypantsx]

Deniro’s performance was lacking and had no enthusiasm or even a genuine feeling, just felt like he was lazily playing a character only to collect a check

[@ilo2224]

I’d just like to add, Suicide Squad glamorised the Joker far more than the Joker movie did.

[@SilverVayne]

And both of which are perfectly acceptable iterations of the character. I love how tightly Clown Prince of Crime has been wrapped around Phoenix's version when that title fits Leto's version so much better.

[@toongrowner1]

Harley quinn got very glamorised over the years since the arkham games. But is anyone worried about that? Of course not, cause when it is a female, it's just just quirky and powerfull

[@axelsmith4722]

an attractive or exciting quality that makes certain people or things seem appealing. to be honest it wasn't the case for Leto's joke of a joker

[@Yelkwood9]

but i hate how they turned the relationship between harley quinn and joker into a standard romantic one, it was cringeworthy. The real dynamic of it being one-sided and extremely abusive is much more interesting and realistic considering how fucked up both of them are, but I guess it wouldn't have matched the tone of the movie if harley ran into joker's arms and got slapped and scolded for her incompetence instead of a kiss; it would have shocked the casual audience and demanded some comeuppance for the joker that the movie had no intent to deliver since it was focused on a different narrative. but i question the inclusion of the joker at all at that point.

[@saisameer8771]

DERANGED!

[@Vintantt]

My ex was literally upset about this movie because it "put mental illness in a bad light" when like...it actually did an amazing job on showing how mental illnesses can seriously fuck you up if you arent getting any help or you get improper help.

[@doornumb]

The 'Joker' movie doesn't feel like a DC movie, it feels like a real story.

[@Mazurecki56]

DC created a better story in a single movie than Marvel did in a decade across 23 movies.

[@abirmawi2808]

Exactly one of best DC movies ever

[@st8vie282]

Tbf this is what dc should stick too I feel their source material being naturally darker and grounded translates to complex drama and themed movies

[@anonb4632]

I would sooner watch a dozen of these than watch Endgame for a second time.

[@bamfyfe]

This has nothing really to do with DC! I know comic book nerds take DC and Marvel very serious. But even the director of the movie said he didnt wanna make a comic book movie. He wants to make a real story but it leans slightly on the comic book stuff

[@NemesisConfirmed]

Media: joker will inspire mass shootings Inspired people: "let's talk about mental health programs and expanding aid to those who need it."

[@Chicklo11]

At worse, mild trespassing and dancing

[@Drarack]

That's what they were _really_ afraid of. And the reason they wanted everyone to hate it.

[@intricatic]

Media: How are you gonna pay for it?

[@NemesisConfirmed]

@@intricatic cocaine

[@Spr1ditis]

Biggest problems to metals health is oxygen, but it really depends on the metal and its properties. You can't threat every metal the same, by doing that you would mentally damage them as well. Each one is special and we need to understand that.

[@zacharyhockett6248]

This movie just shows how thirsty we are for actual movies.

[@stanleywilliams7128]

Yes nigga

[@kizubluu674]

Pfft, not just actual movies. Actual GOOD comicbook movies

[@wirno2559]

@Aarogance joker did it first

[@Ecliptor.]

@@kizubluu674 there can be good movies that aren't comic book adaptations...

[@F17A]

Watch Omeleto

[@candycanevibe4431]

“The joker character should not be viewed as a hero” We don’t view him as a hero, we view him as a product of a broken society and someone who needs help Edit: ya’ll please stop fighting in the comments

[@tempusnostrumest]

he's a hero victims shouldn't be silenced and stay quiet, they should strike back

[@midknight5194]

@Talim Palomino thats the same thing

[@ursaminor9780]

Seriously though: who past the age of five, in any culture where comic books and superheroes have any significance in media, would seriously consider one of the most iconic (if not THE most iconic) supervillain would be regarded as a hero?

[@candycanevibe4431]

@@ursaminor9780 exactly

[@elvispelvis9411]

@@tempusnostrumest “fight back” sure. But not in the way Arthur did. The whole point of the movie was not to paint Arthur as some hero, but rather humanize him. This movie wasn’t a big flashing neon sign that says “kill your neighbor”. No, this movie was ironically made about our society. Rich hold the power. The poor are oppressed and defenseless. Media over exaggerate/ make up stories. Mental illness. Violence... this movie isn’t left or right propaganda. It’s a direct embodiment of today’s society. Wether you can admit that or not. It’s not about justifying Arthur’s actions. It’s not about standing up through violence. It’s a direct comparison to our society.

[@kierenmarsden3330]

Media:joker is causing mass shooting Meanwhile in Manchester: machete fight at frozen 2 screening

[@Godmcgod]

what? lol

[@TheValmal]

Welcome to the uk

[@halieghaimes3685]

I like to believe no matter what we all have "evil". We all have a darkside it's just who we are I suppose. Many people blaim others influences and even go as far as to blaim movies. When in all reality it's about the choice you make. Joker is a prime example of what society truly is, What and who it truly creates. The media is sick and they only want us as sheep.

[@runisa]

Haliegh Aimes and video games I hate when people say it’s the video games fault but this movie proves that people and Society make people like this

[@mts9266]

@@halieghaimes3685 thats what joker tried proving in the dark knight

[@brendan9868]

I can’t tell if this joker is damaged or not, can he please clarify with a forehead tattoo?

[@exposmumblejungle282]

100th like, you're welcome.

[@AtheistGamerz]

It's super easy barely and inconvenience.

[@luiscastro6381]

It's part of the theme of society and the media manipulating a story to gain attention. Its clickbait. He's mocking them.

[@nostalgiajunkie]

Luis Castro yikes

[@MarvelBoi44]

10:50 Harley Quinn's apartment # is 8B (as in “Blow”) 9:29 Joker's apartment # is 8J (as in “Job”) Coinkydink??

[@digi_edits]

Media: Incels will attack America after Joker movie. Incels: *Dancing down the stairs like in the movie*

[@batman1766]

I will not allow the Incels to attack anyone...and I will break the back of the next person that dances down those god damn stairs😠

[@batman1766]

@@rileymccreanor6492 just think of it as justice...nothing else

[@alexceous]

Oh NoOOoOoOOooO

[@snapdragon9300]

@@batman1766 doesn't help that his sidekick was named DICK Grayson, and on the original tv show I re member watching reruns where they both rode poles named DICK and Batman, to get to their 'man cave' 😁

[@tashawnsheffield1507]

@@snapdragon9300 Don't forget Alfred was sometimes involved

[@MilkScrew]

It really aggravated me that the media jumped down Joaquin's throat for losing his temper ONE TIME on set! The man hadn't been eating properly for months, he was trying to get into the mind of a tortured psychopath, and was filming anywhere from 8 to 12 hours PER DAY! I'd lose my temper if I had to go through all of that and still turn in a good performance as well! He probably apologized to the guy he briefly yelled at by the end of the day as well, but that wasn't on camera, so we just assume he's an asshole. No! He was under EXTREME stress and at one point had a small meltdown; it happens. Give the guy a fucking break!

[@darlalathan6143]

Perhaps he needs shorter hours and a balanced diet?

[@cannedbutter9299]

@@darlalathan6143 *Oh wow really?*

[@biIIybob858]

@@darlalathan6143🤓

[@DraphEnjoyer]

"This movie glorifies and promotes violence" And yet John Wick mowing down an entire army of men single handily solely because someone killed his dog, is ok.

[@sint3640]

Yeah, they killed his dog man. His DOG. Nobody gives a fuck about humans. Also the dog was the last thing to grasp on his wife. So he went apeshit.

[@JustBGunn]

@@sint3640 you're missing his point, he is not saying John Wick is evil or even bad (the men he kills are better dead, trust me) but he is instead saying that it's absurd Joker is being classed as controversial but not someone like John Wick. Mainstream media lack brain cells and are huge hypocrites.

[@ano_nym]

"They are just robots, Morty!"

[@paulmajano]

MrZurata IT IS OK!!! 😇

[@MightyNick100]

MrZurata I mean I don’t blame wick id lose my shit too if someone hurt my dog

[@charlierashi100]

0/10 he doesn’t have “mentally ill” tattooed on his forehead. How am I supposed to know that he has a mental illness?

[@sudarshchaturvedi7011]

Ya at least they should have gone with damaged

[@justinpurcell3717]

@@sudarshchaturvedi7011 No, that is fucking stupid. He should have had a smile tattooed on his hand... That would have been the best joker ever.

[@maxmusic5380]

CharlieRashi it’s pretty clear

[@abbe3420]

Mad Max welcome to the joke

[@charlierashi100]

Mad Max, well, I had an incredibly hard time figuring that out. Jared Leto’s Joker is obviously the best because of how clear it is that he’s damaged.

[@BD638]

Best way I heard someone sum up the difference between the two is: Leto’s Joker is a normal person trying to act crazy Phoenix’s Joker is crazy person trying to act normal

[@zoltanmeszaros4684]

Well some one wrote the right answer. God m8 her goeas an salp. ✋

[@killerfoxraspberryplays8903]

Stars & Smokes perfect casting someone born into a cult for the role

[@SH19922x]

The new Joker is cringe as fuck, especially the laughing. Just cringe

[@theballsmcgee]

S H You have a single word to describe the entire movie and a single character trait. I get the impression you didn't see the movie and you're talking out your ass.

[@OdinPlays94]

S H You've never read a comic book have you?

[@aliyahabrahams]

I think that Arthur’s “hallucinations” aren’t really hallucinations, just daydream fantasies. He knows that they aren’t real. He knew that he wasn’t on the show initially, and I get the feeling that he also knew that he fantasised his entire relationship. So the whole “he didn’t give you a gun” thing wouldn’t have worked.

[@JonathanMandrake]

Well, that's the good thing about masterpieces, you can interpret them in many ways and many of the interpretations are meaningful. There are so many themes and ideas woven into the story that different approaches will find different themes and ideas, and there isn't one combination that is perfect. If you dig deeper, there are more and more layers, and there is no bottom, no matter how deep you dig. That's art!

[@T1ddlywinks]

That's_Life.mp3

[@FateTK99]

Maladaptive daydreaming

[@S3dINS]

I saw a strange connection with Walter Mitty in his daydrucinations (coining it). They both wanted better situations to come out of their sub standard lives but went about it in very different ways. The outcome for both was no longer suffering the daydrucinations.

[@k-poplover2885]

"Why didn't Joker have 'mental illness' tattooed on his forehead?" Because Joaquin Phoenix was able to express it in actions. No hate to Jared Leto, but he was just not that good.

[@Blood0cean]

He wasn't that good. He was unanimously the worst. Playing crazy isn't the same as being crazy. What would a pretty boy rockstar know about being an outlier shunned by everyone. Joaquin phoenix already felt that when he wouldn't break character on letterman.

[@The482075]

@@JL-ot1kg Oh wow. That is harsh.

[@stareye_1062]

@@JL-ot1kg me 2

[@Rosaliaaaa03]

Jared Leto is a great actor but not a great joker

[@DominicGrindrod]

Jared Leto’s performance was embarrassing

[@lailafallon573]

Here’s a theory why they didn’t put mental illness on his forehead- Because they actually wanted it to be a good movie.

[@agenrechannel6836]

You just straight Bogus

[@Vampxiii_]

Laila Fallon exactly

[@GreyException]

"Show don't tell"... Uhhhh Uhhhh My mother always tells me to put a smile on my face. REMEMBER TO SMILE. (music in the background: smile, smile smile) The worst thing about mental illness is that people want you to pretend that you don't. This movie was an example of telling, not showing.

[@lailafallon573]

Calm it Kermit it was a joke

[@abramsullivan7764]

Yeah

[@orang1921]

Boys: *mad because Joker is getting so much hate and rages* Men: *dances in bathroom*

[@lillyhasund1846]

Girls:Dancing down stairs :3

[@shadowling77777]

That’s right

[@J03130]

@Untitled Swan society made him the person he is. look a bit deeper into the actual meaning of the film. any of us have the potential to be the next joker if we're broken enough.

[@l.pietrobon3925]

@@J03130 Joker is evil, but it's everyone else's fault he exists. Arthur isn't evil, Joker is.

[@judeautenebrae5837]

Being autistic, I loved Joker. Every person that I know with a mental illness or mental disability that watched it loved it. They all agreed with me: Joker is a pretty damned good depiction of how society treats those of us who are different. It's funny, because it seemed like every single person who ranted and raved about how horrible it was and how it was going to make people afraid of the mentally ill were people who themselves were not mentally ill or disabled. It seems like every time an accurate depiction of individuals with any sort of disability or illness (physical of mental) appears in a movie, TV show or video game, people expect stereotypes. When they don't get them, they think "that's not how it's looked when I've seen it before!" and start to rage about how "offensive" it is. In reality, their version of a "non-offensive" depiction IS the stereotype.

[@darlalathan6143]

We have a winner!😁

[@iiimsheen]

This is a brilliant way of putting it

[@dylansmith5206]

#FuckAutism (Still hope someone gets the idea to cure it to where people like me don't have to suffer because of it)

[@liversinthefridge]

This Joker was so freaking cathartic to watch. He spent the whole movie begging for someone to hear him. He spent it being ignored and beaten and judged for being himself. When you’re mentally ill you know what that feels like. You know what it feels like to try to explain to others that you’re different and have them still expect you to be able to act “normally” whenever they want. To have them nod along as you beg them to understand and then silently scream as they forget in the next moment because they don’t get that being yourself is something you are 24/7 and not just when it’s convenient for them. Joker made them hear him. In a painful, awful way full of violence and terror, sure. But watching him get his moment? Watching him force them to notice? Watching him break through their apathy and scream “here I am”? That felt good. That felt good, and I lived vicariously through him. And something inside me that lived unacknowledged for years finally felt seen. I don’t care if it’s cringe, I am tired of trying not to be cringe. I am tired of worrying about being visibly mentally ill. I am tired of worrying about being judged. I loved this movie, it meant something to me. And god dang it, I should be able to have this without some idiot completely missing the point and telling me I’m a secret serial killer / dangerous / a psycho. That there’s something wrong with me if I thought this was cathartic. If I thought Arthur was relatable. Well guess what? There IS something wrong with me! Haha! And there’s nothing wrong with that. I can find the Joker relatable without idolizing him. I can find his actions cathartic without condoning them. I can watch this masterpiece and feel seen. And you know what? I love that people sympathize with Arthur. That people feel his pain. Empathize with his suffering. Because if they can do that for a fictional murdering lunatic of all things? Maybe they can do that for all of us in the real world, who need to be heard.

[@noise3312]

Average people with no problems are telling the mentally and physical disability population that a movie about a mental disability is offensive and inaccurate lol. I have Asperger’s, OCD rituals with tics get so bad that I look like I’m having a seizure in public, and I have to reassure people that I’m fine and it’ll just pass in a little bit. I have severe depression, and I’m a former cutter. I. Fucking. Loved this movie. I have never empathized and understood a character more than the new Joker. It was one of my favourite movies of the decade, and it’s so goddamn funny to me that people are so terrified by disabled people. It’s funny how I could understand the reasoning behind everything Arthur did, and I was so interested in him because of how it captured mental illness so well, but sOcIeTy is terrified that mental illness exists and they can’t lock us away and throw away the key. They’re scared by complete reality.

[@antoniosandoval6269]

Joker actually says: "that's life" after he kills Murray.

[@kamand05]

Thank you! I don’t know how so many people missed that. Especially considering they played Frank Sinatra’s “That’s Life” almost in its entirety lol

[@suman_dey]

He was quoting Murray's end of the show line.

[@nordinreecendo512]

Ah, you're right! I feel silly now, I assumed he was saying "That's all, folks!"

[@lapetitepapillon9101]

Yeah it's "and always remember...that's life" after both Murray's saying and the Sinatra song.

[@gamerntp7287]

R/whoosh

[@AbelDuviant]

Endgame hyped me up, but this movie? This movie did something very little movies actually have: it made me deeply, horribly uncomfortable, and I love it for that very reason.

[@davidcabral3805]

Abel Duviant yes!!!

[@ashenone6166]

Watch Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, You Were Never Really Here, The Master. It handles a similar situation in a better way than Joker.

[@thesaucyprophesy2939]

@@ashenone6166 you know dude, I'm getting kind of tired of every third dude I see on here listing extremely popular "unpopular" films that are similar to this one just to look "well versed" in cinema. We get it dude

[@ashenone6166]

@@thesaucyprophesy2939 That was not my intention at all. My intention was to get my point across that there are movies that Joker takes inspiration from that I feel were executed in a better way. I apologized if I offended you through doing so.

[@jaidsalgado]

Yep fr. I love Marvel, and Endgame, and dont really hate DC just cause I love Marvel. But this movie was amazing. 10/10 for sure. I was so happy that DC went through with it and let Todd Phillips do his thing .

[@gmodlocus7309]

"they call themselves incels" video of person playing video game

[@ytho2654]

Ghost recon of all games 🤣

[@Captain_Chromosome]

That's the news/media for ya a bunch of twisted fucks

[@VenomWorks]

Because; vIdEo GaMeS mAkE yOu ViOlEnT...

[@htf5555]

lmao

[@chrisknight6183]

I seriously Doubt any real human Male CALLS OR CALLED THEMSELVES INSELS OR A INSEL. ITS SELF DEPRECATING IN ALL OBVIOUS AS CAN BE. L

[@Tacospaceman]

I loved how he let Gary “the midget” go. That scene was a wild one. And it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as effective if he didn’t have to ask for help to open the door.

[@bestaround3323]

God I loved the scene

[@DJBSharpMusic]

It was terrifying and funny at the same time, which is genius in a cinematic way.

[@knightghost1782]

Funny how the only thing joker inspired people to do was to dance down stairs. Other news someone got attacked by a machete during a frozen 2 screening

[@astralnight3493]

I cant't tell if you're joking or not

[@DownrightPossible]

Kdot nope he is not, actually happened.

[@ryangood9158]

Never heard about it lol

[@ravenwda007]

Let it bleed Let it bleeed I can’t bleed out anymore

[@krankerspast769]

Why didn't I hear about that? Ah, right :)

[@projectbiology5726]

Of course the joker isn’t a hero, no one in the story is a hero. He’s an isolated, mentally ill man who finally snaps. I think most people can relate to him in some way. The longing for love. The betrayal. The sickness.

[@keesvanhameren9025]

what is a hero anyways, the masses decide what is right from wrong, the very message the joker wants to send in this movie. "heroes" are often the few that dare to make a stand for what 95% of the world population also believes in, but shuts up about because ironicly they feel they can't change anything anyways when standing "alone" against the elite 4% whom have "the power" ... but only the "crazy" 1%, sees that 99% of all those people are still all the same ...

[@dylan.j2526]

@Not Applicable You're basically saying creating mass chaos and commuting murder is okay because "society" has too much to lose, you took this movie the wrong way, you should probably mature up before you watch movies like this.

[@guyman9655]

He's probably considered the lesser of all the evil because he didn't kill anyone who didn't deserve it in his eyes.

[@mrrobinson7943]

Not Applicable you’re an idiot

[@mrrobinson7943]

Not Applicable no there not I’m from England lol

[@blossomlight2719]

This movie will age like a fine wine.

[@nillynush4899]

it already has, and its only over a month old. just wait till the gangbusters BD sales, it will be the first movie i've bought in a long time. Joker is special.

[@garethoneill5676]

It will be probably be the only memorable film from this era.

[@catherine9897]

Couldn't agree more!! Movies like 'Suicide Squad' that try to be "cool" and appeal to the times feel dated the moment they're released. But 'Joker' is an incredibly well-crafted film with real emotional resonance that actually seems to get better with time. This movie deserves to be remembered for years to come!

[@best4businesswrestling]

It’s the new age taxi driver🔥

[@jeezitskyky3405]

Damn right.

[@gplgs4640]

The media doesn’t hate The Joker for being violent. They hate it for being realistic.

[@jonathanespinosa5666]

no the movie is actually a bit violent but yes this can happen

[@COOLKINGSTYLE]

Media suk ppl suk

[@grieferoncamera4600]

@@jonathanespinosa5666 People are being freaking beheaded and other crazy stuff, everyone has NO IDEA how much is being censored by the media..... Joker is just a GLIMPSE of some of the horrible stuff which happens every day

[@dustingaethje1332]

@@jonathanespinosa5666 As are many other movies. Even those made for kids (like Transformers and TMNT).

[@jonathanespinosa5666]

@@dustingaethje1332yeah but some are made for kids and some aren't

[@leoorduna2199]

Media: Joker will cause a school shooting. People: Dancing on the school stairs.

[@jimmyjab190]

the locals who live near them stairs got so mad about it too hahaha

[@sasha._.4471]

Leo Orduna which is even worse, I can’t walk any where with stairs 😂 I wish they shot me and got it over with.

[@michaelsong5555]

Dancing on the stairs is rather dangerous. Far more common, and they let their guard down, therefore causing way more danger (mostly for themselves).

[@ernestogastelum9123]

high school musical just turned real

[@lillyhasund1846]

That's me :3

[@georgeianta2088]

"I'm the guy that played the shittiest Joker ever conceived right in-between the best two Jokers ever conceived" - that's something only Jared Leto gets to say

[@sunxel3264]

idk cesar romero was a pretty goofy joker, but i guess that's what happens when you make a movie based on the joker that was written under an era where you didnt get to have extreme violence and bad language in comic books

[@angelomordini6779]

George Ianţa I don’t blame him though I blame the directors

[@johnthedropper7289]

He can also say "Eh eh eh eh eh" - Jared "Joker" Leto

[@mfloatingaway]

I don’t know what I hate more, the fact that Jared Leto’s Joker is a wannabe gangsta rapper, or that there are actual people who liked him.

[@peekafch]

Those who liked Jared Leto's Joker are the ones who deserve that damaged tattoo on their forehead.

[@sure1376]

@@peekafch ok u guys need to chill I agree his joker sucked, but it's not letos fault. Put the person who had the idea before the name joker, not letos.

[@preciousvicious9025]

@@sure1376 yeah... that also the whole movie was a joker :)

[@cyberklashnikov3062]

@@marcgabriel2815 emo 14 year olds

[@alexandredesouza3692]

We should talk about that with Leto on an interview just to make fun of him.

[@Leemon692]

The media wanted so bad for there to be a shooting at the Joker movie so they could go, "See? I was right! Joker movie evil, media good!"

[@Azraiel213]

I do kinda love how the actual hack media acted exactly like the fictional hack media in Joker did.

[@midknight5194]

they do it all the time, tell people what they want them to hear, nobody talks about mental illness, poor, instead we hear about the amazon, apple, and random politics

[@blaniac6591]

Their reaction to the movie proved the point that the movie was trying to make. And they had no idea. Absolutely pathetic.

[@Nabooze]

@@blaniac6591 was thinking just that!

[@youknowwhoyouare2269]

🤡🤡🤡🤡's whining about the big bad media

[@Nabooze]

@@youknowwhoyouare2269 no one's whining about the "big bad media" we ain't trump supporters

[@Milkra]

The worst part of the movie was that joker’s mental illness was too subtle and most normal viewers did not understand that Arthur was a mentally ill man. They should’ve tattooed “DAMAGED” to his forehead in the future so audiences will know he’s damaged.

[@Urdailyapple]

@@carlosjavier771 no but you are

[@winterstar5750]

@@carlosjavier771 r/Wooosh

[@maniacalmattmedia1025]

r/whoosh

[@greggsthegruesome]

@@carlosjavier771 It's sarcasm

[@ok-xs2oo]

@@carlosjavier771 woosh

[@thesecretlibrary890]

*"Mental health doesn't affect only the sufferer; it affects everyone."* Can we teach and drill that into the mass' thick skull? Thank you.

[@suicideispainless8107]

100% agree

[@lindzs7619]

To be fair a lot of people who mean well don't want to highlight that truth, because pretty much every time in history that the masses openly agreed that the mentally ill among them were affecting them negatively, the mentally ill were then either executed, banished or imprisoned with a side dish of inhumane treatment. It seems like the current strategy we're attempting is to just get the masses to feel some level of empathy for the mentally ill first.

[@anonb4632]

They want the mental ill to be "the other". In actual fact the mentally ill share a lot in common with them, and probably started out like them.

[@mysticthesauce]

r/iam14andthisisdeep

[@nirvana-owo]

as someone who has a severe mental illness accepting my illness affects those around me to the same level it affects me was a major factor in recovery. it helped me have an even larger incentive to recover and it also helped me better explain to those around me how to help me and keep themselves safe in the process. that message is rlly important to both mentally ill people and everyone in general ill or not.

[@mikesendec3972]

"I'll tell you what you get" the way his voice cracked when he said that was pure and raw emotion amazing

[@sangriad.938]

It gives me chills every time. How did he even manage that?

[@TheGhostFLA]

It's so poetic that in the movie.. they show a clip of joker and make fun of him for it.. and do the same to Phoenix in real life on Jimmy Kimmel.. both overrated talk shows.

[@StatickShoot95]

but the things on jimmy kimmel are allways acted..... you .... knew that, right ?

[@yomamasfuckboy6893]

I wouldnt be supprised* if Phoenix would shot Jimmy Kimmel in the head like the movie ... Maybe That would begin the real Gotham , joker etc...

[@ShiddyKong]

Contrary to common belief, Phoaquin Phoenix is not the Joker. He's actually an actor by profession.

[@scipio764]

@@ShiddyKong I wanna whoooosh myself so bad over this joke.

[@HabitsRabbits]

Pretty sure that was staged.

[@bobathy5710]

He said “that’s life.” The closing line of Murray’s show which is also the name of the Frank Sinatra song used as its theme song.

[@rainold-5608]

@Gillian Kocian and I agree that you agree

[@ruppmax20]

Regensammler - I agree to agreeing the agree

[@user-xr6mf7vm6m]

Infamous I agree that you agree to them agreeing about agreeing

[@bobathy5710]

ᴊᴀsᴏɴ ᴛᴏᴅᴅ i agree to you agreeing that he agreed to them agreeing about agreeing

[@Cinna3unnz]

@@bobathy5710 I agree to you agreeing to the prior person agreeing to the others who agreed to the person who agrees to the OP.

[@samuelgalloway2938]

“Unnecessary scenes” meaning the scene where captain marvel needed backup after single handily taking down a warship

[@Neutral_Tired]

Handedly*

[@MrMusicfreak95]

The way his voice starts to give out as he says “I’ll tell you what you get”, gives me fucking chills. As someone who suffers from several self destructive mental illness I have screamed to the point of my voice sounding just like that.

[@coremitsi922]

When he killed Murray you can see all of his face muscles twitching. This is when I realised thay Joaquin Phoenix is amazing.

[@nillynush4899]

he looked part pleased, and part crying... he didnt want to have to do what he did, but life and society gave him no choice, he was a completely broken man.

[@boogiewoogie343]

@@nillynush4899 He has a choice, either fight or run. He was partly crying because Murray was a father figure to him and that scarred him emotionally.

[@Archonsx]

@@boogiewoogie343 He was going to kill himself, but when murrayy made fun of him yet again you can see the anger bulking up inside him, the rage is perfectly shot with the blue color and his serious look

[@boogiewoogie343]

@@someguy4046 It's for dramatic effect, but you're technically right. 😂

[@McSaggerson]

Christ man. Spoiler alert.

[@wesker1079]

They call themselves incels *cuts to a scene of a kid playing PUBG*

[@josesosa3337]

I thought it was last of us multiplayer.

[@FrogEnjoyer17]

Jose Sosa last of us has a multiplayer?

[@bahji]

Nice Meme it use to, they turned off the servers tho, multiplayer was amazing

[@proudbeaner696]

@@bahji The servers are still on lol

[@aestheticbeatz5700]

Hahahahahahahahahahahagaha roasted

[@OfficialNinjaSkillz]

I had to watch to see if he mentioned Jared Leto

[@pricewm3]

Obsolete Excellence did he?

[@tiimvr901]

@@pricewm3 yeah twice

[@anapalombini2384]

I love his JL remarks though!! Keep ‘em coming!!

[@johnadame2580]

Great channel!

[@Xehanort10]

Jared "I tried to stop the film being released because I was jealous that Joaquin Phoenix played a better Joker than me" Leto.

[@nunchuckdaddy6417]

Arthur hates the madness but can't stop himself because it makes him seen. He cried because he finally realised that there is no going back. Everything he did, it suddenly became real. He cried because he could never get better but also because of how happy he is to finally be seen by people, actually seen.

[@mawile3037]

by the time he was heard it was too late sometimes it is too late no matter how much the people that live where the grass is green will say it never is

[@autismobinch135]

Everybody gangsta until the family guy avatar crosses his arms.

[@MistaSexHaver]

please stay on reddit

[@foodmachinebroke1021]

@@MistaSexHaver r/wooooosh wholesome 100 big chungus pewdiepie mr. beast omg funny r/funnydankmemes 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@thatsoneinterestingpfpyago2521]

Mista Gang r/IHaveReddit

[@PhantomationTV]

@@MistaSexHaver reddit is actually funny and we don't want him contaminating it. He can go to iFunny.

[@autismobinch135]

Mista Gang Lol fucking rantatar fan boy I don’t even have reddit

[@i.j.dragonfly3123]

I find it especially ironic that this film was decried as an alt-right or incel manifesto, when all of the most antagonistic characters are wealthy white men and Arthur's first crime in the film is killing three sexual harassers.

[@dynamicdissonance4016]

Thats cause the left is the faction trying to seperate people to classes not the right. This is a missunderstanding going arround since Hitler - and Hitler also was very very left wing. Same as Stalin as another example.

[@alvarodiaz2221]

@Austin Martín Hernández You have built yourself a strawman of the right, a distorted vision but I even then I would prefer that any day before the marxist racial supremacist BLM movement or antifa or any other shit the left brings to the table this days.

[@alvarodiaz2221]

@Austin Martín Hernández Lol, trickle down economics is a strawman within itself, I recommend you look for Tomas Sowell's explanation of it and you will discover it was a myth used to discredit tax reduction policies. Creationism should be kept away from school, but why religious expression as long as it's not mandatory. I say that as an atheist myself, I grew in a catholic family, had religious classes and never we never had a problem with that. Actual cases of marxist indoctrination in schools and universities using race and sexual orientation as a troyan horse are a much more pressing issue nowadays. Under Trump, America has seen unprecedented employment growth that has reached blacks and latinos, even though he has had congress and the media against him, so how's that a plan that only benefits the rich? Those conservatives are right, if you don't like it leave. Perhaps after seeing how failing nations fare under left wings governments and the lack of institutions that actually work and protect you that we actually have in the third world, you will learn to appreciate your country more

[@alvarodiaz2221]

@Austin Martín Hernández Most of the things you have told in your 3 comments are false and given that you have not disproved any of my arguments means you have nothing to refute them. How can you state America facing an economic blow is Trumps fault? America is by a long mile not the worst faring this pandemic, I could spend the whole afternoon explaining how the things you have stated are not true but I guess I've already made my point. And at last, I'm telling you maybe you should get out is for you to understand how things are in other countries and for you to understand that the things you want to change to "fix" America is ultimately going to destroy what is good about the country. You may have good intentions but in the end the path you want to follow is only going to bring ruin and suffering.

[@crustjunkie]

@@dynamicdissonance4016 yep uhuh Hitler was "left wing" right....

[@anapalombini2384]

The talk show scene alone is Oscar-worthy

[@OoxB505]

I think that’s the scene that will win Phoenix the Oscar 😃🙌🏻

[@danielpedraza6455]

Yep

[@disslb]

And yet shorter and better than Leto's version of the character

[@nillynush4899]

if Joker gets no Oscars, we go Werewolf.

[@cameronkoontz6393]

Tbh i thought it was the weakest part of the film

[@pauliewogmastercertifiedli535]

Loved this movie. I cried a lot. I so desperately wanted to help him the whole way through the movie. Being a nurse for over 30 years it was an honest examination of people who have no one and fall through the cracks. Brilliant!

[@winstonharalson6774]

Simple answer: he couldn't afford a tattoo

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@xFloppyDolphinn Because it's a joke, and it doesn't need to be answered. Giving out the answer will only ruin it.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@parsifal7300 Unfortunately, he didn't reply...

[@peakhelliw1509]

Joker: the media expects a shooting from incels Also joker: makes billions, not a single shooting Popeyes: random person gets killed over chicken sandwich

[@chicanoman2999]

Peakhelliw LMFAO

[@mrpj1390]

But yet and still I don't see the National Guard surrounding Popeyes and warning people about chicken sandwiches even though they have caused deaths through foolish behavior.

[@BeexDubb]

the news: lets hype this chicken sanwhich people: cause chaos the news: lets keep hyping this chicken sanwhich, forget about the chaos

[@hays4475]

Frozen 2: *a random machete brawl is conjured up*

[@Neutral_Tired]

Fun fact, there wasa a machete attack at a Frozen 2 premier here in the UK. So, it's confirmed, Disney causes more violence than Joker

[@skyatoro]

He was gonna say “remember, that’s life”

[@slinttu1378]

Sky Toro You can hear and see him saying that on the tv screen after that.

[@CharlesVanNoland]

It was something that was also said earlier in the movie. I don't remember when, but it was the reason that I still heard him say "life" in the silence of the broadcast being cut off.

[@NitpickingNerd]

let's go eat , huaa

[@szczypior2714]

@@CharlesVanNoland A song used in this movie is called "That's Life'

[@joegerkrep7727]

@@CharlesVanNoland it's what Murray would always so before closing off

[@MichaelAnderson-nb6er]

I knew the Joker was going to be a fantastic film the moment the media started shitting on it

[@wet-read]

Right, because that's the sole measure of quality.

[@DrowningPonyo]

He doesnt say “lets put a smile on that face” he says “thats life” which is maury’s slogan

[@Gamingguy-my4wn]

i smell Someone getting wooooshed

[@ketdog1860]

It thought he said "That's all folks!"

[@HugoGojibiter]

Not TheMama when Arthur is watching the show earlier in the movie maury ends it with “and always remember folks, that’s life” and then the credits roll with an instrumental version of the Frank Sinatra song That’s Life playing so he definitely said that’s life

[@lordnul1708]

@@doughy_ I smell someone with too much time on their hands...and for once it's not me.

[@Anon-xh3tu]

He knows that

[@llrainll]

“I’m the Joker, baby” 😭

[@Fritter_Films]

*Joker Baby

[@lonewalkerproductions]

Lmao

[@yaboidivad]

Jester Joseph Jokah babay

[@DoihaDX]

even Hamill bows to that guy

[@adeeshup8474]

This says a lot about our society ✊😔

[@VMadnezzYT]

When you realize that Joker laughs when he is in pain or is hurt, it really makes you have a different view on the character

[@Idontknownw]

Thats only this take on the joker ever movie is different versions of the character pretty much every portrayel like comic, show, or movie is different

[@VMadnezzYT]

@@Idontknownw I know. I ment for this adaptation. But if you apply it to the versions it gives them a darker meaning

[@apetitan2936]

I’d say his only real genuine laugh was after he shot Murray

[@vn9574]

no. this is the pathological laugh. the joker you are talking about is from the comics.

[@cliffordjasway6817]

You don't laugh when you get hurt 😂 ????? The original joker his father ask him why don't you smile more then carved a smile on his face with a fork and said now that looks better

[@savannahl4581]

This movie made me feel more deeply than any other movie. I can't explain the feeling. Disappointment? Guilt? Joy for him? This travelled into new territory for film. Absolute masterpiece.

[@talyaw6637]

i left the theatre feeling so sad and empty. i think i cried myself to sleep when i came home. tbh i dont really know why. but yeah the film was a masterpiece

[@angulinhiduje6093]

“Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing that makes sense.”

[@nickprice3755]

“Man goes to Doctor. Says he’s depressed. Says life seems hard and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world: Where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says “Treatment is simple. Great Clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up.” Man bursts into tears. Says “But Doctor....” “....I am Pagliacci.”

[@argeiphontes3880]

Diamond Hoe69 That's so sad Alexa play Smile

[@estradiolvalerate8925]

@@nickprice3755 Good joke. Everyone laughs. Curtains. Snare drum.

[@nickprice3755]

NINJA's Depression Dr. Manhattan: It’s so sad that Steve Jobs died of ligma. Rorschach: Who the hell is Steve Jobss? Dr Manhattan: Ligma balls Rorschach is immediately blown up by Dr Manhattan’s thoughts.

[@MarvelBoi44]

Dhe hardest part about having a mental illness is having it tatooed on your forehead∴

[@skrpon0]

Why didn't Joker have "Mental Illness" tatooed on his forehead? Answer: Because he isn't Jared Leto

[@AnotherL96]

The movie hit 1 billion without China which should be another achievement.

[@powerfulsamuel1565]

funny, this film wouldnt ever have the chance to be shown at china - for obvious reasons :)

[@RustinChole]

It actually really is rare. I saw it four times and everytime it was PACKED with 25-60 year olds. But you know what they say, “you have to be willing to compromise your ideals of freedom if you wanna suckle the warm teat of China.” -South Park

[@jcn268]

Chinese people read Chinese not English idiot.

[@hashidraws]

@@jcn268 Well no shit Sherlock thank you for pointing out the obvious.

[@kailechu6591]

Thing is, the majority of Chinese movie goers with at least some intelligence -- who would normally crave for Hollywood flicks -- have come to the consensus that it not being shown in China is a GOOD idea. Too many people would get the wrong message in a place without the same sociopolitical climate as the US.

[@jason8077]

Oh btw, dont try to trap yourself inside a fridge like the Joker did. Modern fridge comes up with sealing mechanism so it does not open from inside

[@chrish7904]

Frozen 2: Teenage girl stabs another at screening in UK. Joker: Two guys caught smoking at screening in US.

[@iexist2786]

This really says a lot about our society

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

I'm sorry THEY DID WHAT AT FROZEN 2!?

[@Bluntsmoke501]

@@an0rmalp3rson70 nah fr wtf 😭

[@ItsUrBoi]

@@an0rmalp3rson70 in the UK two teenage girls attacked each other with machetes during a screening of Frozen 2

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

@@ItsUrBoi Well that's pretty shit

[@joshpecker4352]

Imagine being afraid of a movie LOL

[@TimeBomb014X]

Look up Mouse Utopia, we are essentially fucked

[@AngstyAnon]

Josh Pecker I mean like I’m not a fan of the conjuring.....

[@magicman3163]

Josh Pecker The rich fear the poor defending themselves much like slave rebellions in the 1800’s they have to try and mentally shut down the idea.

[@miguelvidal2335]

I am afraid of a movie. It's called Irreversible

[@marxjester9802]

Imagine if there was a remake of George Orwell‘s 1984. The media will be begging people not to go see that, considering how it will expose exactly what the media is doing right now.

[@gak-man9642]

My parents went to see this even though my mother hates violent films and has little interest in super hero/comic stuff. She apparently spent the rest of her working week telling her clients about Joker and how it affected her, how awful she felt watching a man be so broken down and how badly she just wanted to give Arthur a hug. I'm so glad she saw the true colours of this film and didn't fall for the poison being spewed by the outrage mob.

[@truebeliever4144]

Kudos

[@Frawt]

My mum had the exact same reaction, while her friends and some family were like "I heard that movie's so violent isn't it violent?" Honestly kudos to her, and to your mum as well.

[@yurihageshi8008]

I think the movie points author made very poor decisions

[@theblackbull55]

Yeah your mum can think and see for herself.

[@lengxninja]

Your mom's a G

[@josequins9099]

For me, the scariest character in this film is mental illness. In the past I suffered from severe anxiety which led to a mental breakdown and psychotic episodes and it is honestly terrifying to live with. It's like your mind isn't yours anymore. You're scared of yourself. You live in fear of both what you might do, and that you won't even realise what you've done until later. Deep down, the thing I fear the most is losing my mind.

[@greybeard6504]

His voice cracking just before he shoots dude; brilliant acting.

[@summercastillo722]

Yes felt soo real Joaquin Phoenix is a AMAZING actor the best in my opinion

[@lukebailey3662]

Shit... that was intense

[@Princetonlove34]

@@lukebailey3662 I swear I was on the edge of my seat during the whole scene, something just told me he was going to shoot him

[@mr.absolute8556]

he said, "thats life" parodying murray's way of ending the show with the song thats life from frank sinatra

[@hideoeduardokojima8340]

@@bobfredwhatever3384 i think it was a joke

[@pauljeffreybulosan143]

it was a joke.

[@Cj-xt6tv]

@@bobfredwhatever3384 it was a joke 😂

[@Octopetala]

fits that in saying "That's life" he gets cut off short like what he just did with MurrAy's life.

[@mr.absolute8556]

@@pauljeffreybulosan143 🗿

[@Horrormaster13]

Joker (2019): "Achievement Unlocked: 1 Billion Gross for a low budget Rated R Film" "Achievement Unlocked: 1 Billion Gross without China" The Mainstream Media: "Crying in the corner"

[@Andron152]

I hope the other movie studios learn, that they dont need to adapt to the chinese censors, to earn money.

[@Anon-xh3tu]

In many ways this is an inspiration for the movie industry. A low budget, successful movie that is praised by the general audiences. A bold and risky take at the genre that actually paid off.

[@MrSuperbeast92]

Achievement Unlocked: Fuck the Media Achievement Unlocked: Media Tear Bringer

[@kulgan18]

@@Andron152 They need to learn to stop listening to mainstream media and professional SJW whiners.

[@desyncdarin7146]

Achievment Unlocked: Fucked the Media Over

[@dalatinobrother_1688]

I didn't want to watch the Joker movie bc I was afraid that Phoenix would outshine Ledger. Now I regret not watching it in cinema, finally watch it and respect Phoenix acting skill

[@xnyte]

“and remember folks, thats life!” Joker is saying the show’s ending quote that murray says

[@Onceortwice45]

oh really I thought he just made a joke.

[@xnyte]

carvantr_7 he was but some people don’t actually know

[@Onceortwice45]

@@xnyte Alright I'll let it pass

[@eschelar]

TripleXnutty the fun irony of this is a theme in the movie. if you're paying attention, you know what he said because you know what is going on below the surface. if you aren't paying attention, you won't get it and probably take things too literally. and the cherry on top is that the janitor does actually get it, and he deliberately used something different to create the layer of misdirection while at the same time throwing a touch of homage to a similar mechanism used in the dark Knight, which was the story of how he got the "smile" on his face - a story which changes every time he tells it, showing a different facet of a complex stone, where you know there is some part of it that is real, and you know some of it is just an illusion, but it's not immediately obvious which.

[@death8570]

eschelar this is what happens when you try to meet the word count:

[@Goblinhandler]

The media really doesn’t know we live in a society

[@htf5555]

INCELS rise up

[@Minecraft5690]

I think when he got cut off he was gonna say “That’s Life” cause that’s what Murray says at the end of his episodes.

[@Dommbuscus]

Some people get their kicks...

[@gustajuy5983]

Stompin on a dream!

[@OPTiMiS]

But I know I'm gonna change that tune

[@maarten452]

@@gustajuy5983 Stompin on a dream... But I don't let it, let it get me down 'Cause this fine old world it keeps spinnin' around

[@clansing97]

When I'm back on top, back on top in June (my birth month!)

[@spaceowl5957]

I love how there are so many messages of empathy and love in the comments. I think that’s what the movie is about. How incredibly important it is for each of us to be loved and to be seen.

[@skydude7682]

The laughing thing is A symptom of some brain disorders. I'm prone to bursting out in laughter during stressful or inappropriate situations but until I saw this movie it never occurred to me it may be linked to my epilepsy, I thought it was A strange coping mechanism.

[@batbebebe]

In the movie, we find out that he had been abused by his mother's boyfriend, who hit his head on a radiator. So yeah, it was caused by brain damage

[@abramsullivan7764]

I would laugh if I felt stressed or inappropriate moment.

[@lisab7798]

Why are your A's capitalized?

[@freddyfrazber480]

It’s called pseudobulbar affect

[@ineedausername9617]

I don't suffer physical trauma to the head or have any neurological disorders, so it's more of coping for me, I tend to laugh or chuckle when uncomfortable or nervous, and in stressful or inappropriate situations as you said. My laughter isn't uncontrollable though, per say.

[@winstonsallet9541]

The scariest parts were not when he was laughing, but when he was calm and collected Laughing = pain Calm = determined and unhinged

[@ocek2744]

People don't seem to understand the difference between this Joker and Heath Ledger's Joker. Heath Ledger's Joker made violence look cool and exciting; this Joker is completely different, there's a catharsis to his violent acts that signals there is something wrong with him, the movie makes that abundantly clear.

[@GreyException]

No... we do understand. The problem is that by removing his charisma, intelligence and influence... you have removed what makes the Joker, the Joker. This movie makes it TOO abundantly clear, and that in itself is a sign of bad writing.

[@ocek2744]

@@GreyException Charisma, intelligence and influence aren't what make the Joker. What makes the Joker is a deeply disturbed individual that uses violent humor as a means of coping with his mental illness. The movie did that to a T, and is a sign of good writing.

[@GreyException]

@@ocek2744 The Joker is not a self-pitying, socially handicapped goofball. That is Arthur Fleck. This movie over explains and still doesn't reach a conclusion. Things happen to Arthur, yet we never get to know Arthur. A sign of good writing is showing, not telling. When you have to remind everyone that Arthur is mentally ill, and consecutively bad things happen to him despite him doing nothing wrong at all, and then have our very own protagonist narrate his victimizing experiences-- that is bad writing. One of the only reasons why someone can enjoy this movie, is if they *are like* Arthur Fleck themselves, and can see themselves within him. However, even with that in mind, we're suppose to judge a movie based on the story, not whether or not you feel justified in acting out in violence because shitty things happened to you.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@GreyException Yup, this movie beats you over the head with the mental illness thing. And still basically has the message that crazy people are scary murder clowns just waiting to go off. How helpful, thanks movie.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@The one girl Depends I don't need to truly think about it, I have a mental illness. The movie didn't have a coherent message - if you chose to read it as being a sympathetic message about the mentally ill you're ignoring the several unsympathetic actions the protagonist undertakes. If the Joker is supposed to be representative of mentally ill people then mentally ill people are to be feared. The whole 'occupy' thing in this movie landed about as well as it did for me in Dark Knight Rises. Which is to say, it didn't. Lots of lip service to public outrage and sympathy for the mentally ill, little to no actual content.

[@Traveler_202]

Ironically this movie wouldn’t be as long if he had “Please forgive my laughter, I have a condition” tattooed on his forehead

[@johnrobichaud1983]

Murder happens in 1800s Media: "these murders linked to the movie Joker coming out in 2019"

[@wtfisthis2316]

Makes no sense!!! 1800s didn't know about joker as he wasn't invented yet!! Just wow!!!

[@nofacedgoldfish6216]

Yeah. The media is dumbtarded.

[@ahuman3538]

Fr tho 😭

[@HatGuyYT]

Should've been murders that happened in BC

[@adamaunya69]

Even Jesus crucification linked to the Joker movie,WOW

[@ivystorm836]

"The real villain in this movie is whoever authorised cuts to the city’s program for the mentally ill’ big mood

[@themelanatednomad6989]

For real, to think this whole thing could have been avoided if they had better mental health programs established.

[@bernardosales1044]

@Fabian "Let me just make this about politics real quick, everyone loves politics" You're part of the problem

[@hananenaboy1366]

@@bernardosales1044 In a movie where politicians were literally the people behind cutting facilities for the mentally ill and in a country where "depression isn't real" is a common term thrown around by the likes of PJW, that's not a stretch, man.

[@bernardosales1044]

@@hananenaboy1366 The movie was about how often the people who really need help or just someone to care for them are left behind and forgotten by society, yet that comment about "conservative politicians" somehow made it about a "us vs them" mentality, which is exactly what causes the entire situation the movie portrays. This need people have today to make an enemy of peoppe who think differently, and they can't separate the right moment from the needless moment to mention these things, it just gets tiring. My country's going through a terrible political crisis, ever since 2014, and I'm just tired of hearing aboht politics and us vs them fights where I don't expect that

[@emblemblade9245]

A lot of things could’ve been avoided with better mental health programs. And like it or not, it is politicians who are gonna be addressing or ignoring that stuff.

[@actualteddybear891]

I liked Mr. Ledger's so much because of his intelligence and how he was always one step ahead. This Joker is one you can feel bad for and you can see his descent. Neither were just some bad guy.

[@user-uo8ny1kj4c]

Ledger would be so proud.

[@pirateking9677]

Both great jokers, but about the intelligence part to be fair heath ledgers joker was a joker in his prime Phoenix’s joker was a very young and raw joker with no experience.

[@dakotakade3547]

My girlfriend and I go to the movies a lot, and I have ADHD so I'm usually kinda multitasking. I'll be eating or drinking something, or shifting my position in the seat, trying to hold her hand or cuddle her in some way, just doing something because the movie isn't grasping my entire attention. I sat down at this film, and from the scene after he got jumped to the end, I never took my eyes off the screen. It immediately became my favorite movie ever. I've seen it upwards of like, 20 times now. I absolutely LOVE this movie, and I wish we would get more movies like it.

[@PeanutButterParker]

i think the saying “That’s life” is perfect for explaining why the Joker is the way he is. It’s not because he’s good, not because he’s evil, it’s just life. That’s just the way life has driven him.

[@THE_AceOfSarcasm]

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -Harvey Dent That's life.

[@crispykornflakes5990]

Yes exactly. All he’s ever had in his life was negativity. When all someone has in life is one thing, they become that one thing. So he became negativity.

[@restfulflames9855]

Thats why Frank Sinatra’s Thats Life worked so well at the end

[@bluesyrupgc4224]

Yeah exactly. I would say that Joker (2019) is somehow similar to Michael Corleone (sorry I just watched The Godfather for the first time), both used to have different paths or thoughts that they would become different people than who they are later on. Joker thought that he would achieve his dream at becoming a successful comedian, while Michael thought he would live a clean life, away from his mafia family. But then through the courses that suddenly took place in their lives, they became majorly different, becoming people whom their past selves would strongly criticize them

[@grieferoncamera4600]

He is the reflection of the society who made him. Simple idea weak people can't grasp

[@DarthDevorin]

People who say, "Joker is too violent" obviously haven't seen any of the John Wick films.

[@vice2versa]

John wick films is what you call fake violence, as in, it's so flashy and stylish that it looks and feels fake. easy to ignore and dismiss as just hollywood movie entertainment, nothing emotional about it. Joker on the other hand, the violence in that film FELT real therefor it causes a greater emotional response to it.

[@dededetheking5094]

@@vice2versa joker just used a gun to kill 3 people in the sub and then killed one on tv not really BALLS TO THE WALLS VIOLENCE.

[@jackfinnegan2217]

Dedede The King You gotta admit, when he executed that last guy running away at the subway station and when he plunged a pair of scissors into one of his prior coworkers neck, then eye, then slammed into a wall. And when he executes Murray, his head being plastered onto the wall, it’s pretty gruesome stuff. And yeah John wick totally has more bloody violence, but in that like the other commenter said, it’s very common and flashy so you expect it. But in the Joker you don’t really know what he is going to do, at one moment he’s just talking and next thing you know he’s killed three people. It’s the same amount of blood as a John Wick fight, but it just feels more surprising and gritty in the Joker.

[@TheKitten]

Or most horror movies. In the silence of the lambs sequel a man gets fed his own brain.

[@zoltanmeszaros4684]

Nor any of the final destination.

[@alexiadler]

people in the theater were laughing before he kills the guys on the subway. after that everyone shut up

[@Feber2001]

People were laughing when Arthur got jumped?

[@nullprop]

@@Feber2001 Now I wanna jump those kids in the theatre

[@Tzestos]

those people gotta be ill. or i'm the ill one for laughing after he shot them?

[@jjt171]

they stopped because they knew theyd be shot !

[@fwvipra]

Wow who laughs when Arthur was getting beat up? Prob were the exact bullies that would do it in real life. That ought to shut them up

[@curlyfried3117]

The scene where he finds out he’s truly adopted and everything his mother allowed to happen to him broke me. Joaquin was both laughing and crying and ugh it’s so hard to watch.

[@TheRealRollerCodster]

Phoenix's joker was outstanding. That's how you follow a performance like ledger's.

[@TheBlackestKnight21]

don’t compare this to ledger bro, that’s a real comic book film. this isn’t a good comic book movie. It’s a good movie, it’s an awful joker movie. It’s literally not a joker movie todd phillips even says they wanted to make a movie and only called it joker and stuff so the studio would back it. I like this movie but i hate people calling it the best comic book film ever😂

[@relyks8645]

@@TheBlackestKnight21 In what way is it an awful Joker movie?

[@TheBlackestKnight21]

@@relyks8645 todd phillips liteally admitted it’s not the joker and he wanted to make a “real movie” disguised as a comic book one. I like the film but as a joker or comic book film not really bc i can tell what todd was going for. The movie would’ve been the same if you literally took the Joker element away, movie should’ve just been called arther. I along w many others could tell it was called joker to fill seats and for media buzz and to get audiences to recognize a fanilair IP. I doubt many wouldve seen this if it was called arther and it was about a mental dude who dresses like a clown and is mad about society

[@relyks8645]

@@TheBlackestKnight21 I suppose, but a lot of elements in this movie fit Joker's character reasonably well I feel like.

[@JamalisGuilty]

@@TheBlackestKnight21 why don't people understand that you can't follow Heath ledger's performance if this is how it started. The movie takes you to the beginning of how the joker is what he is and it's way more realistic than ledger's performance. A real lunatic doesn't just start off blowing up hospitals he would take the approach more slowly. I get that film producer said it wasn't the joker, but you still can't compare something that has no start. You can't take away the joker element if there wasn't an element to begin with. That's like trying to destroy earth if there wasn't even an earth to begin with, but you know what, there is an earth which also means there is a start to the joker. That movie was the start of everything heath's movie had.

[@unconventionaloven9392]

I think he actually said “that’s life” when the tv cut out

[@saskiemena]

if you look and hear closely at the bunch of tv's scene, you'll noticed that the actual footage of him saying that is shown, and it ends with a cop striking him down after he laughed a little :]

[@LordVader1094]

@@saskiemena Yep. It's really great.

[@jordanthenephilim7476]

Saskie Umi do you which tv it was or it’s general location in relation to the others?? I wanna look out for it on my next watch :)

[@followztrouble1242]

Yeah he was doing Murray's outro

[@denisherlock3023]

He actually said "It's free real estate" but it got cut out by the TV crew

[@isharpedge8469]

If Joaquin doesn't get an oscar, hell if this entire film doesn't get an oscar imma flip

[@nondescriptstraightwhitema6138]

If this movie doesn't get a oscar someone needs to set the Hollywood sign on fire...

[@patrickswasey5301]

Tough year though, Adam Driver killed it and we had the return of Deniro being the leading man in a Scorsese film.

[@gurjindersingh3843]

Pls record yourself doing that .. and fail ... for my entertainment

[@jackalsniper4232]

Hey, guess what?

[@PolarisCastillo]

Imma flip too

[@sometimesidontunderstand0029]

This movie aging beautifully with the times. JOKER in this portrayal has so many dimensions. It's my inspiration for filmmaking.

[@ZAHINborusse]

He didn’t say “let’s put a smile on that face” he said ight imma head out

[@hunterofajax1963]

Increased risk of “Incel Violence” ... Thats... such a meme item

[@ChristopherJames1993]

Clearly doesn't actually understand that incels don't leave the house they literally live in their mums basement.

[@JohnDarksoul69]

i came from the future to say the internet indeed memed that to death lmao

[@bloodspittingspartan5002]

@@big.ant538 like.. who?!?!

[@FLY200902]

I thought before the camera cut off he said “That’s life”, like how Murray always ends his show

[@George-rv7iy]

mainstream media dictates so much of people views and “morals” making such a beautiful movie seem to be something bad to enjoy (12:19 is a perfect representation of this). This video has such accurate commentary

[@crgiganti8827]

I like how this guy doesnt give a shit about copyright. He has shown so many scenes of the film that are not supposed to be shown. Very good video my man, very damn good!

[@Looneyboy]

CR GIGANTI whats gonna happen?

[@crgiganti8827]

@@Looneyboy Interesting question.

[@BBCBOY919]

@@Looneyboy Jared Leto is gonna send him a used condom, infected with smallpox and ligma

[@tt_the_blackout7133]

Well there is a small part of the footage (top right) blurred out most of the time, so I wonder if that is to throw off the algorythm. Would be a pretty crap algorythm if it got fooled by that, but this is KZbin we're talking about here.

[@joshelliott1826]

Let's keep in mind that more people were hurt at the Frozen 2 opening than at any Joker screening....

[@redornament3248]

People were *hurt* at that cash grab of a movie that was Frozen 2?

[@justaradish3446]

@@redornament3248 some 13 year old girl got machete'd

[@redornament3248]

@@justaradish3446 holy shit

[@justaradish3446]

@@redornament3248 globalnews.ca/news/6223693/frozen-machete-brawl/

[@BlueTemplar15]

More like at the Blue Story opening - a movie about gang wars...

[@lauwittony]

Joker: *uses dark joke* The lady: ThAtS NoT a GoOd LoOk