Why the Media NEEDED Joker to Fail

Media has a shaping effect on society as we know it… it is an undeniable truth... and as such… a film that skillfully highlights failure in that crafted structure means that in an inextricable way it is showing that the architects behind it… made mistakes. When confronted by the mirrored truth of one's own shortcomings… you can either accept them and improve… or try to break the mirror… and its clear what approach is being taken now.
Modern media is witnessing its own shortcomings in the mirror that Joker holds up, and because of this... they need there to be some sort of tragedy to justify their own hatred.
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[@UpperEchelon]

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[@colmcorbec7031]

“Who can gaze into the mirror without becoming evil? The mirror does not reflect evil, but creates it.” - Motoko Kusanagi

[@Osmo-7777]

I get Y they do it, just hope they see ur pointing out woke media as trying to say negative things bout this great work of Art

[@CR-oo1se]

Fuckers

[@ErroneousClique]

Everyone has to know by now that "fair use" on KZbin is a joke. You can use something 100% fairly to provide context and you will still get struck down or claimed. I hope you get the claim removed, but I wont hold my breath.

[@null_subject]

I also can't support anything via patreon, it's just too disgusting.

[@aadhargupta7609]

Joker doesnt promote violence, it tells us why violence happens.

[@jaimebarragan8059]

True

[@usagi18]

Exactly, actually, the message is a pretty kindergarten level, but in a very adult entertaining language, in few words, it's: "just be nice!"

[@OwlMoovement]

And how it begets itself. Many of the people who abuse Arthur through the film, perhaps excluding Murray and the bankers, are characters whose own suffering, inflicted by another, is easy to imagine. The kids who beat him in the alley at the start didn't do so out of their imaginations; they likely had so much harm done to them and passed it onto Arthur believing that it was how the world works.

[@ipunchedu8884]

@@OwlMoovement yep it's the excuse of something bad happened to me so therefore i can be bad to others to make myself feel good

[@blaireofhylia1572]

Yup.

[@gmblin]

Media: Expects Joker to inspire people to cause violence Reality: Joker inspires people to dance on stairs

[@GeminiHiro009]

Meanwhile Frozen 2 release in UK: *teens with machetes start fight in theater*

[@InsidiousOne]

Dancing on stairs i is dangerous, especially in winter

[@singingcrow439]

Oh no. Larceny! What fiends! That legit the more serious crime I see coming from that.

[@johnnysalter7072]

Many of them hope he does.

[@MrWhangdoodles]

I mean...there are so many things to inspire violence. A movie means NOTHING. What morons.

[@estebansingh9411]

The joker being hated by media and groups but being loved by the ordinary people just shows why it works

[@honaldjason]

The movie literally showed how bad society is and how hypocritical society is, and society can’t stand that, joker accidentally made a trap which showed how shitty society is. Damn respect to the movie makers

[@TheOneAndOnlyUnity]

Now we need to start a revolution

[@Nobody-dp8br]

@@TheOneAndOnlyUnity this is not gonna happen. Not balls. No spirit. No leaders to lead. Only boomers. Old. Outdated

[@villanousvic323]

Sometime art inspires reality and sometimes reality inspires art.

[@twichy4life1]

@@Nobody-dp8br Game on Anon

[@TuxedoMedia]

Watching Joker caused me to be a kinder and more friendly person in general public. You never know what small kindness will mean to someone.

[@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594]

Same here! Honestly, seeing how kind Arthur really was what helped. I mean just imagine if he wasn't plagued with his illnesses. He'd probably be close to Murray's fame. After seeing everything Arthur went through, it made me look to real life. I'd hate to make anyone feel any worse than they might already be feeling

[@asurasyn]

You never really know what someone else is going through.

[@enckaxtus9537]

"You never know what small kindness will mean to someone." Fricking gold, my dude. Please: a bloody t-shirt, greeting card, or bumper sticker, etcetera; i don't care which! Just get that line out there.

[@irishmacky8773]

@@JD-el9eo thats chilling as fuck! I wonder if people know who you quoted

[@5disguised]

@@irishmacky8773 who

[@harrissyed1417]

Joker (2019): * $1 billion dollars at the box office. * No China release. * No violence related to the film. * Became a symbol of rebellion, revolution and protest among people around the world in Chile, Lebanon, Hong Kong etc. * Fantastic.

[@Bellanouva]

in this garbage fire of a comment section, this comment wins.

[@xuan.1611]

Huh. I like how you said no violence related to the film and said it became symbol of revolution and protest in Hong Kong, Lebanon, Chile etc.

[@cyborglazerman2909]

@@xuan.1611 there is a difference between the film causing mass shootings, and people using it as a part of their on going civil unrest.

[@xuan.1611]

Cyborglazerman true true

[@xuan.1611]

HKZ P hahahhaahah what the fk no

[@calebcook2967]

Media: *Joker movie is too violent for kids* *”Yes, that’s what......rated R means....”*

[@harpocrates302]

It`s only rated 15 in England.

[@christiedt4999]

Did you know PG-13 movies are often MORE violent?

[@normanyoung9603]

No one seems to review "Joker" quite like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZLdo4KnjJmHZq8

[@sodapinez2598]

@@christiedt4999 can u list movies that are more violent than rated R? Not saying youre wrong just wanna know.

[@xianviii]

@@sodapinez2598 Marvel

[@thatterrariaguidenpc8054]

"The joker movie is violent with a toxic fanbase!!" The "toxic" fanbase: *Haha funny clown man dance*

[@puddlejumper6103]

XD

[@docrofreborn7497]

Yeah, I think the memes were the worst part of the community, and even then that’s a great part.

[@docrofreborn7497]

@Ольга Гений just bad quality ones, I don’t mean like toxic memes, or so.

[@mekullag9787]

wait, do you think the joker doesn´t have a toxic fanbase? Obviously there´s plenty of people who just enjoy the character, I know I do, but people using him and what they perceive to be his philosophy as a way to justify their own shitty, erratic, unpredictable and violent tendencies is so prevalent it´s an actual meme at this point.

[@mekullag9787]

​@@docrofreborn7497 They´re hilarious, no doubt - I´ve watched some of these joker meme compilations and laughed my ass off. But people being so pathetic in their shitty behaviour that it´s funny to watch and becomes a meme itself doesn´t make the people who actually subscribe to these views any less toxic. So the original statement still rings true

[@slimeinabox]

Moral of the story: Be kind and people won’t become insane and try to kill you. The media people hate kindness.

[@LucyWest370]

Arent there like hundreds of stories each day about law enforcement guys saving the lives of animals and people alike? Do they really hate kindness or are they just running out of budget because no one cares enough to pay them anymore so they resort to fear mongering tactics to keep their business alive.

[@dyland1842]

@@LucyWest370 nah they just hate kindness

[@LucyWest370]

@@dyland1842 yeah that’s fair stupid kindness haters

[@dyland1842]

@@LucyWest370 yeah, imagine hating kindness. Thats like hating puppies and rainbows. Couldnt be me

[@grey_xoid]

Ah yes, kill em with kindness

[@meowjmeowington9076]

People don’t like mirrors, they like filters.

[@kungfuskull]

As an asthmatic with a bad haircut, I can confirm this statement. 🙂

[@Shizkeb]

kungfuskull go to a barbershop

[@mr.n0on344]

No, they like mirrors, just so long as the mirror makes them look good.

[@AdityaKumar-ij5ok]

@Meow J Meowington I see what you did there👍😳

[@ageofdulltron2052]

As an occasional mirror, I can confirm this statement.

[@cryhwks]

He literally kills 6 people the entire film, that's like half a scene in John Wick.

[@thatdamncatboy7963]

Yeah, the media just doesn't like how realistic the deaths are. I think that's a good thing tho, it doesn't make it seem like a small thing to do, unlike other movies, where people get slaughtered as if humans where just statists (which they are in the movie, of course, but just in movies)

[@doot_slayer]

What about the people he killed indirectly? If so, then the protester on the train, and Thomas & Martha Wayne. God knows how many people died as a result of the protest tho.

[@cryhwks]

@@doot_slayer he didn't personally kill them though, still wouldn't come close to the amount of people John Wick has killed.

[@natesmodelsdoodles5403]

and thirty seconds of either marvel or star wars.

[@qaadirakhan7686]

Personally I think 4 out of the 6 people he murdered directly were justified killings 🤷 can't change my mind

[@Kyne225]

“Every single thing that exists has toxic fans, does that mean nothing should exist?”

[@keonkla]

people who let bad fandoms ruin stuff for themselves are weak.

[@Tickerchicken]

Guess team sport shouldn’t exist because of hooliganism

[@MixedRealitySimRacing]

Laxative is right and everyone disagreeing should ${™] > the @€€% up and ¥~¥® } ;

[@fbiagent9666]

@@keonkla true, imagine not breathing air because some people that are breathing air have committed murders

[@Aleksandrgrc]

Hitler drank water u fucking nazi

[@tearex_8443]

Media: you're a monster ! Joker: right back at you buddy.

[@AnthonyBoutdavong]

*Parent sees Joker is R rated* “Honey, get the kids”

[@ryanhowe6543]

I saw a kid or 2 when I saw Logan

[@komfykoala6083]

Idiotic parents be like...

[@the_grim_gamer3039]

I saw a 4 year old when I went and I watched a mom drop her jaw more and more as swears and adult stuff happened then she walked out with her kid and that's the tale of the Karen at the movies

[@BowieIsAfraid]

The_Grim _Gamer I’m surprised that mother didn’t know it was *Rated R*

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

Bet they think R means Rainbows.

[@yaboi5893]

"the joker is too violent for families" *hmmm yes this R rated movie is made out of R rated movie*

[@helixmoore7636]

It was pg 13 violence at best. However the film was outstanding

[@fabianzimmermann5495]

@@helixmoore7636 Spoiler below: When he killed his ex co-worker, I'm pretty sure, that this wasn't pg13. He fucked that guy up.

[@6e757alocke]

@@fabianzimmermann5495 facts, that guy got destroyed

[@MrMagistralMalik]

It was Rated R for RANDALL.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

I blame PG becoming Practically G

[@lorddeath7560]

*Masterpiece is made Media: its terrifying and violent *cuties is made Media: *crickets

[@Blue-mr7fe]

For real never heard of cuties until some youtubers covered that and random comments such as yourself talking about it

[@lorddeath7560]

@@Blue-mr7fe it had a really bad rep. People was protesting it as soon as the ads caim out. I saw the preview on KZbin. It was some disturbing shit. If you pull up the preview you can easily see its one of the most hated previews on KZbin.

[@Blue-mr7fe]

@@lorddeath7560 i guess if it received bad rep so fast it was shadowed banned or buried by the algorithm before I could see it myself

[@lorddeath7560]

@@Blue-mr7fe no its just that it got enough shit over it they got tired of the complaints. It may not be for the intent and purpose but the preview was rather repulsive even for a normal individual who seen it 🤨

[@Blue-mr7fe]

@@lorddeath7560 oh God just looking at the preview with no context is cursed I swear the guy who thought this up is on a watch list

[@slinkraidsagain]

The part where Arthur is talking to his therapist and says "you just don't listen do you?" is the most relatable part of this movie for me

[@broskies1]

I've never been a therapist but this is relatable to most government / public authorities and organisations. All beaurcracy and paper pushers running out the clock till 5pm.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

Media; This film makes us uncomfortable Me: Yes well... that was the point.

[@lejohnavery4556]

Thank you. What the hell they were expecting it to be like? Deadpool?

[@RhineStone46]

It’s the making a psychopath. It’s not supposed to be happiness and rainbows.

[@jakegraham3758]

Captain Manta 2.0 it’s like walking into the ted bundy movie and expecting no violence ....oh wait they did that too nvm

[@danielpreciado3112]

Joker Film: Yes, that's... why I'm here.

[@VixXstazosJOB]

I disagree with that and you concern me sir, i think the point is showing how JOKER or someone like him came out to be, understandably so

[@decreiverreceiver4492]

Media: Where's the punchline? Joker: There is no punchline

[@ellhoot4122]

More like Joker: look in the mirror

[@nicholasbeeson4999]

You are the punchline.

[@gozinta82]

Murray got to find out what the punchline was.

[@Bartatron-ru7qd]

More like, Joker: you wouldn't get it.

[@dying101666]

joker: pulls out mirror and passes it around.

[@jediknight38]

Arthur by any definition is an outcast. When you're an outcast, No one wants to help you or be your friend. They only want you to disappear.

[@barefootjakejake7765]

Indeed, I definitely relate. I saw this one in the theater on opening weekend. I laughed so hard while the auditorium was crickets at several scenes... needless to say I got some strange looks from strangers🤭

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

He is a perfect example of everything wrong with modern society. As a person whose family member also has mental disabilities I can relate to that

[@JohnSmith-wv5km]

"The worst part of having a mental illness is everyone expects you to act like you d😃nt"

[@ZeckyYishaq]

True

[@Alittlecamper]

Like how Joker says, “It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message.”

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

But the movie gained a billion dollars.

[@xptaco2298]

@@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958 it's not about the money, it's about sending a message

[@ParkingCars]

@@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958 I mean, doesn’t the Joker say this line whilst sitting atop a pile of money?

[@lonewolf9578]

@@ParkingCars yes, and then proceeded to burn said money

[@kaihiggins725]

@@ParkingCars no he was with the russian mob and he had someone sitting on top of the cash. He burnt it and it also went back to when Alfred said some people just want to see the world burn.

[@rainmanslim4611]

The media hate the Joker movie for 2 reasons. 1. It humanizes people who they have worked for years to thoroughly dehumanize 2. It draws attention to the very issues they deliberately try to sweep under the rug and dismiss.

[@mr.intruder1536]

True

[@OldNavajoTricks]

They want you to strive to their image, not relate to another Humans pain, Because pain makes animals lash out, and Humans, despite our lies to ourselves of superiority, at base, We are animals, And they can't control that.

[@PajamaJazama]

​@TheAnax 11 What? The media, try to fix anything? Do you realize what that'd do to their jobs? They were drooling for a shooting at cinemas showing Joker

[@anonb4632]

It exposes America's "liberals" to be a capitalist parody of the left, instead of supporters of the working class.

[@Pintkonan]

underrated comment

[@Grimeaper]

In a way, the reaction to Joker proved Joker's point.

[@st4r3_me]

it is so incredibly beautiful that Joker with its presentation of the media and society provoked the media to play exactly that role.

[@wisemankugelmemicus1701]

@ST4R3 “I killed those guys because they were awful. Everybody is awful these days. It's enough to make anyone crazy.” “Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?” “Ugh, why is everybody so upset about these guys? If it was me dying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me! I pass you everyday and you don't notice me! But these guys? Well because Thomas Wayne would cry about them on TV?”

[@Grinch556]

Grim reaper the ol’ switcharoo

[@blackswan4486]

Which is why this movie is so magical and basically breaks the fourth wall

[@ammarnapata2193]

@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 I kind of wish he would have told the audience that those three guys was harassing a lady in the train and then they came and harassed him

[@rickeybernard8156]

10:40 the coworker had no intention of helping Arthur. He gave him the gun precisely for him to lose his job. He and the other workers use to make fun of Arthur and the short guy. That's why Arthur kills him brutally and let's the short guy go.

[@_Sol6]

First movie I felt actually treated mental illness with some respect. Rather than making it a cute little quirk or novelty. Rather than making it seem like something to be afraid of and cull. The fact that this movie exists makes me feel better about having one. Finally, somebody in popular media gets it. Phoenix did a wonderful job with the tiny details of his character. The subtle shaking and shortness of breath. That kinda stuff made me tear up. It absolutely did not make me want to murder anybody. It's art. I appreciated it like art. If anything, I felt it made people empathize instead of treating those kinds of ailments like a monkey you can make dance. You see so many people online gloat about their self-diagnosed Tourette's and DID and DPD or whatever the hell they can find on WebMD. Nobody wants anybody to know that they're sick. Displaying it like a ribbon on social media is a big red flag. Those who do have it and make it the central point of their personality just end up hurting everybody in the long run, especially themselves. It's so weird seing a channel or video be popular just because of someone else's pain. I dont think anybody watching those cares about the person as much as they want to clap when the showperson gets triggered.

[@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594]

YES This is the best comment here. I hate seeing girls (and guys too but it's mostly girls I've noticed) self diagnosing themselves and then never shutting up about it. And then basing their whole personality around it, like some fancy show dog. It's so... idk infuriating? ingenuine? But yeah totally agree

[@_Sol6]

@@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594 Yeah. I had seen a video on my recommended prior to writing all that. Apparently there's KZbin channels that are just mentally ill people doing challenges? Waiting to get a Tic or an Episode, but for views. And then theres music artists like Billie Eillish. Her music aside, she treats her Tourette's like any normal person would. She doesn't want people to remember her for it. I'm pretty sure she knows about this kinda stuff. She outright tells people that she feels uncomfortable about it and that she doesn't want to draw attention to it. Do you know what her "fans" do? They make compilations of it. They call it cute. They call her talented IN SPITE of it, when they shouldn't care about it at all. Backstabbers. But I guess that's what's cool now. People really like how Split Personalities and Narcolepsy looks on them or the people they watch. When they know they would do absolutely nothing of value to actually support or donate to any of those causes.

[@crispy7499]

People fear things like this, because it holds accountability to what they think of people who are different around them. What if that 'freak' you ridiculed kills you? That's the only situation people like these worry about.

[@_Sol6]

@@crispy7499 Yeah. "Crazy" people are always the easiest to discriminate because there are no repercussions. Largely in part because the consensus deems them as lesser and dangerous. As illogical and as naive. Weak enough to throw into wards or lock in hospitals where their condition will only worsen. They dont understand that everybody has a little bit of that in themselves. That a few wrong turns will leave them on the other end of the spear they point at the ill. A mentally ill person has no more desire to kill someone than a regular one.

[@puddlejumper6103]

As a meme enjoyer, I can tell you there are wholesome people out there, you just have to know where to find them

[@Jackdelroy1]

I'm so happy that Joker was such a huge success.

[@awesomegaymer5786]

I just hope it doesnt end up with every studio trying to do thier version of it like all the other huge successes

[@crenshaw2186]

@@awesomegaymer5786 Yeah like Marvel doing a movie called "Thanos" that shows how society created Thanos

[@TheFlameImperishable]

it was the only "real" story to come out of hollywood in the past decade

[@mastertrey4683]

dave brent Marvel could never bruh

[@dyland1842]

@@crenshaw2186 honestly id like to see that for proof that thanos did nothing wrong. #ThanosDidNothingWrong

[@kyleneal2517]

Media: "we need to have a serious conversation about mental health in this country." *Movie comes out that does a fantastic job showing the real life consequences of mental health* Media: "this movie is so sad! We need to ban it!"

[@fedorgalkin5018]

Back to your happy pills, Joe. Your uneasy thoughts quota is over.

[@taliakellegg5978]

it's also about bullying

[@XiongGou]

@John Daedalus there have definitely calls from extremist media groups calling for the ban of this movie. They believe that making him sympathetic or at least explaining his motivations makes him relatable to insecure white men... Stupid and racist!

[@beghinanhew3042]

@@RandoLePerson ban you

[@n0denz]

They don't want to talk about mental health. They just want to look like they want to talk about mental health. We live in a society where it's more acceptable to say you're the opposite gender than say you have depression. Those media pussies have blood on their hands helping to keep the mental health stigma alive and well.

[@Jetblast01]

*media talks about Joker inciting violence* *Frozen 2 actually has a stabbing*

[@thepuffin4050]

BUt aNiMatEd MoVIes aRe KiD-fRIendLy

[@tangomango5080]

@@thepuffin4050 sure, let's show Happy Tree Friends to 5 y/o im sure they'll love it

[@valentina7456]

@@thepuffin4050 sausage Party.

[@user-ze6yk4sd5g]

@@valentina7456 Omg that sh*t scared me😂

[@KrystleHamilton131]

@@valentina7456 Remember when they tried to say that was a kids movie LMAO XD

[@hazeltree7738]

"Hey, this guy with lots of laughing and does evil stuff is pure evil and kills loads of people" Media: Oh cool :) "Hey, this guy has a condition that forces him to laugh painfully under stress, and while he does commit bad actions that he's responsible for it's clearly shown that if he was treated better none of it would have happened" Media: No bad violence hate >:( Something really strikes me wrong there

[@allbeendamned4485]

I feel like modern audiences would rather believe the binary distinction between "good normal people" and "out-of-this-world monsters" than acknowledge the fact that evil is inherently human and potentially in anyone that is subjected to a certain societal context

[@WeWokeTheGiants]

The media and society namely feminism wants to make illegal for you to be ugly and poor.

[@hazeltree7738]

@@WeWokeTheGiants Feminism is about equality, not making it illegal for someone to be ugly or poor. If someone wants to do things like that under the banner of feminism, they're not a feminist, they're an asshole

[@Mai-he7vq]

@@hazeltree7738 You're fucking beautiful.

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

As a person whose family member also has mental disabilities I can relate.

[@belciugvictor7873]

"When you tear out a man's tongue, you're not proving him a liar- you're only telling the world you fear what he might say." - Tyrion Lannister

[@stephano1019]

Bingo!

[@JadedTheatre]

Ah, the great word smith, Tyrion.

[@evansketches]

Yes let us find some women and drink

[@curvingfyre6810]

'A wise man once said we must make peace with our enemies, not our friends.' -a wise man

[@meatboy5714]

that quote was there before got

[@davecirlclux]

Joker violence: Lvl 9 Deadpool violence: Lvl 20 John Wick violence: Lvl 100

[@pauldrummond755]

The difference is the lower the level the more realistic.

[@MrWhangdoodles]

@@pauldrummond755 In all of them there isn't enough blood. Seriously, an exsanguinated adult releases a gallon of blood. Deadpool DECAPITATED people, barely a squirt of blood. The heart keeps pumping for a bit after a beheading.

[@airconditionerconstructur7497]

Is this a mobile game ad?

[@sony6708]

Doom Slayer viloence: 999

[@kingcoal8162]

John wick lv.420

[@mathieunorth9147]

2:08: “It feels like the media wants there to be a tragedy” Turns out all they got was a comedy

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

more like a comedic tragedy, if you know what I mean [it's not a happy story (the current status quo) it's a sad joke]

[@cifer8070]

Joker inspired me to learn philosophy and understand people instead of hating them while under illusion that I am the righteous

[@alexanderavila8934]

What your doing then is righteous, truly righteous, that is no illusion then, it indeed is righteous.

[@jesseg.2413]

I can see the news already: "14 year old boy shoots three men and chokes mother after having seen 'Joker' two years ago."

[@MikeNapoli1989]

Jesse G. Kind of reminds me of 13 reasons why. After two years of the show being released they removed the suicide scene. It’s funny how these incidents happen a long time after a movie is released and the media blames the movie or show. The crime probably didn’t have any relation with it what so ever.

[@lizardperson9648]

Suicide rates among men rising for the past 35 years finally explained.

[@southofheck]

Statistically, people who watch Joker will die at some point in their lives

[@5050TM]

"And he has dyed bright orange hair! Just like...uh...um...the joker!"

[@ladybird761]

Kids did something similar after seeing Matrix too. It's not the movies, it's people.

[@isabellegarcia8929]

The joker called out the government and media. The media doesn’t like that. That’s why they are attacking joker.

[@xgamerx360x]

The U.S. military warned against "incel terrorism" because of the movie. The government doesn't like it either

[@reallytho1943]

Agreed the governent pushes him to the side cuts him from medication stop his counciling etv etc he gets beaten up made fun of etc etc the media makes fun of him constiantly. Things these 2 things really do if u ashamedd of something or embarrassed why do u still do it

[@thinkinginsidethebox6552]

Humanity creates its own monsters. It's up to us to fix it.

[@droppedoff6726]

called out you too buddy.

[@Onxide]

Smile about something

[@midnightflare9879]

It was so satisfieing to see mainstream media fail instead of the Joker.

[@PlaidHiker]

They will fight and claw, taking us down with them

[@darkstock5103]

And this is why I trust the audience more than the Media or the “Movie critics”

[@PrimusPicklebal]

“Im gonna take my young children to Joker... whats this, rated R... probably means Really child friendly”

[@Wraithfire27]

*Laughs in family guy.*

[@LizNeptune]

This just goes to show these people are truly evil. They want us all to be NPCs.

[@dr.davidwho4053]

😆

[@Kyle-te9yp]

Your profile pic is perfect for this comment

[@Usman4u79]

I showed this movie to my little brother I’m such a great brother aren’t I.

[@qtarokujo3694]

and now, Joker is the highest grossing R-rated film of all time. *In your face, media.*

[@utryping]

you seem a bit too happy about this, friend. especially considering that timewarner owns both warner bros and cnn. there’s a lot of ways to make a buck. in this case, you’ve paid a corporation so you could have an abstract, nebulous enemy. maybe you should consider that next time you see an opportunity to score some points on the “media.”

[@SuperCabrito14]

@@utrypingdude calm down

[@Nobodyss21]

Omnipresent Chill, its not captain plank mate

[@infamous4514]

If the media wanted “joker” to fail they’d treat it like the epstein case. To pose the media against hollywood is an oxymoron. One hand washes the other. Everyone knows if you tell someone not to do something they’re more likely to do “it” and also exposes/introduces them to the idea of “it.”

[@smotnick]

@@Nobodyss21 Omnipresent is correct.

[@Quirkney]

The movie is full of times you can have empathy without giving acceptance, which is something we know the media hates (among all the other reasons big media is generally bs)

[@nekogamer2508]

Damn Jimmy fallon was that offended by this film portraying him so well thst he hired alot of media website mods to diss this film.

[@PrinceIsot]

It's intellectually weak that you actually think that happened

[@nekogamer2508]

@@PrinceIsot it's called a joke dude

[@PrinceIsot]

@@nekogamer2508 you never know there's people that think like this but about literally everything

[@jimmyj5703]

@@PrinceIsot Bro come on really?

[@E4439Qv5]

@@jimmyj5703 Called Poe's Law.

[@Viraxian]

Joker movie: *exists* Media: "I'm in this and I don't like it"

[@TravisMcGee151]

@Jan Sitkowski Best movie and acting ever. The media loves this kind of stuff. Has anyone ever seen the media report 'Good News?' The more mayhem the better for TV news ratings.

[@oldhead7226]

The media's predisposition to this movie is the very reason this movie is necessary.

[@oneautisticguy]

I hate this comment

[@swonkknows8646]

@@oneautisticguy Good.

[@myraligma6137]

@@oneautisticguy snowflake

[@Thebossstage1]

*Media pokes joker with stick* "Come on make a tragedy"

[@Dusterdimmu81]

Lol. Read the quote in Homer Simpson voice.

[@spqrjack2941]

And the Joker is poking back, by NOT causing any tragedy at all. I bet that in their little minds the jurnos are thinking ppl are not killing everyone left and right after seen the movies just to spite them.

[@jordandennis6794]

@RABBI Shekel If that did happen, I'm calling false flag.

[@drunkredninja]

@@jordandennis6794 there was already a false flag, saw it in passing on the tv at the mall i'm sure you can google the actual story

[@HipsterKhan]

Media's the same way with mass shootings and gun control.

[@Omed2009able]

Murray was the mirror to them and that's what they really focused on was that one moment that one scene specifically where joker felt betrayed by the man he looked up to because of his comedy genius to then showing his true colors

[@logangotcha8429]

I think what really shines a light personally for this movie for me was just the fact how relatable it was. I don't mean it like 'that's so me' but all of us. This was just a good man trying to do something to make the world a better place & all it takes is a few awful moments at the wrong place & the wrong time to completely turn someone into something else. Many people think they would never be capable of such horrendous crimes but they are far from wrong. We are all evil, the only difference is the fact we were just lucky in terms of the circumstances that were played out, others? Not so much.

[@WorldsTallestLeprechaun]

Buddy of mine summarized the movie like this. The Killing Joke: All it takes to make a monster is one bad day. This movie: this is a man who NEVER had one *GOOD* day.

[@ericarosiles-hernandez8397]

💯 so true!

[@axelusul]

Well said dude, that is the truth. Anyone can be conditioned to the point of breaking or becoming violent. I was pushed close and was bitter and aware how close mistreatment can push a person near the edge.

[@br6768]

Father of mine.. Tell me where have you been You know I just closed my eyes My whole world disappeared…

[@aravindhanveeramani6142]

This should be top comment

[@ChemistyStudent]

And that's all she wrote folks.

[@princessadrigirl6774]

“Families walked out” why tf were they even walking *in* ??? It was rated R. Bad parenting is not the movie’s fault Edit: y’all keep talking about how you saw this movie with your parents, but unless you’re literally 7 or under, you’re not who I was describing 👀

[@pahotline]

Lime Green Does Rated R sound like a kids movie to you!?-

[@princessadrigirl6774]

Lime Green I mean, no??? Like not at all 😂 this isn’t some cartoon or something. Google is free, you know

[@bonelessbananna5410]

I watched it with my mom we loved it

[@shadowsnake5133]

@@princessadrigirl6774 THE ESRB WERE LITERALLY PLASTERED ON THE POSTERS AND TICKETS, IT'S THE LAW TO DO SO, THEY'RE THERE FOR THIS REASON, BUUUTTT NOOOO, I'M GOING TO IGNORE THEM AND WONDER WHY MY CHILDREN DON'T LOVE ME FOR BEING AN IGNORANT AND BAD PARENT, MUST BE THEIR FAULT! I may or may not be tired of Karen's to a point of genuine anger, if that's wasn't obvious, but I'm also not fixing my accidental caps lock, it fits too well.

[@paybafpvzimp6296]

Top 10 movies for the entire family

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

Media: this is not ok for kids Movie: this is recommended for people of 18+ age.

[@veronicawexel1291]

Tl;dr: Bad people know they are bad people, but don't want to deal with the consequences of being show what their behaviour does to other people.

[@boromirtheblasted883]

'Hey dad I'm gunna go see the joker" "No don't waste your money that movie sucked" "Oh you saw it?" "No it said so on Facebook" Best movie I've seen in the past decade

[@chathamreynolds-moore7377]

Right?! I think Joker might be the best movie I've personally ever seen.

[@adr.k8676]

One of the best movies i have seen in a while.It was phenomenal.

[@brsubwayfc]

This!!! 💯

[@SonOfHubris]

What did u liked about it?

[@Glitch-zn4qr]

ehh, it was good, but its not that great. I'm surprised people are making this out to be the second coming of christ. if anything, I was kind of let down.

[@luddity]

"A child who is not embraced by the village, will burn it down to feel its warmth" -African proverb

[@barrontrump3943]

This resonates to the joker pretty well

[@anoygualexander2898]

I am just wondering, do you know where this proverb comes from?

[@prodbymorii2058]

@@anoygualexander2898 Africa

[@jonswartz8862]

@@prodbymorii2058 Africa is a continent with 54 countries in it... I think he wanted something more specific.

[@prodbymorii2058]

@@jonswartz8862 it was a joke.

[@josephwhite4699]

This film isn’t a movement, it is a lesson to those who treat other wrong

[@bwenz.0285]

The lives of these “journalists” aren’t a tragedy, they’re a comedy.

[@lonewolf9578]

They aren’t the clowns, they are the whole circus

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

To be honest, I do Respect war journalists, they have to risk their lives for something their bosses will often twist to their own agenda - but those are an exception

[@vagrant-techart8278]

​@@lonewolf9578 good times when people were just clowns they are turning into demons now

[@joshuabenson6543]

When The Dark Knight released, nobody panics. Because it was all a part of the plan. But when Joker becomes a box-office success, EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MIND!!

[@hulkbelowall3162]

THIS NEEDS MORE LIKES SERIOUSLY

[@the_seer_0421]

Nice reference

[@kalebb1226]

420

[@tiruliru1189]

People also clearly forget that Deadpool and John Wick are hyper-violent movies. They didn't complain about those, so why do they complain about violence in Joker? I agree with you all.

[@mikemadden2092]

Lol..but that is currently how society works in the real world..not just in the movies...

[@GLeija-ct5qx]

Media: " the joker is gonna cause a mass shooting in the near future" Joker : "And i thought my jokes where bad"

[@ae9is603]

Hello brother

[@kingdon7795]

Hohohohahahaha....!!!!!

[@luizbiggs]

What happened did your balls drop off

[@jacktheyeager6174]

Modern society will cause a million times the amount of school shootings than a movie

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@jacktheyeager6174 Was gonna point this out maybe if the modern media didnt try to sensationalize school shootings and give them 15 minutes of fame. As well as on top of that promote banning guns over idk just putting restrictions that actually would have done something years ago maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. As well as focus on the bullying and other extenuating circumstances that 9 times out of 10 causes them to snap the media tried to blame stuff like Columbine on a bunch of BS like video games. When in reality the kids filmed tapes talking about exactly why they did it the reason being they were getting severely bullied at school. Take a unstable teen with a lot of hormones and keep pushing his buttons it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what's gonna happen next. Also more then anything we should teach parents to be better but that's never gonna happen.

[@joebaumgart1146]

If anything, Joker shows us the true value of kindness and empathy.

[@TheRevenantEdits]

"They will always exile the geniuses, for the world is filled with idiots."

[@RevolutionaryThinking]

Exactly!

[@stansb1926]

"I don't know why everyone is so rude." -The Joker 2019

[@Jules279]

Same here, if he don't kill me id be his friend imao.

[@1God1Christ]

STAN SB19 Everyone is is awful these days

[@MrKinkysloth]

This movie was beautiful, it painted mental illness for what it is.. and contrasted to the fact that “normal people” are sick to each other.

[@lardusbirmingham7020]

They are literally proving the point the movie made. What is wrong with people

[@psxbxgaming1258]

Nobody is civil anymore!

[@Noah-cm6ek]

"Joker is too violent" Game of Thrones is fine John wick is fine Walking dead is fine Slasher movies are fine It isn't about violence. The media hated the movie because it paints themz the elites, and the welfare class as the villains. It paints the truth. Guns are not the villain, society is.

[@DudeCalledDibs]

I never heard any backlash on deadpool. The media appeared fine with it.

[@lolface_9363]

We live in a society

[@Freecsgoskinlotorussia]

@@DudeCalledDibs yeah ik

[@Piximae]

It brings a hard truth that bad people exist everywhere and no one singular class of people are good

[@SharikhKhan138]

I remember a comment saying an older version of the Joker was dropped into chemicals... whereas, Joaquin‘ was dropped into society due to the fact that it is far more toxic...

[@mitsosvasiliou5147]

I believe that this movie portrays what violence and bulling does to people , especially people with mental conditions which are often targets of the aforementioned practices, and has a very positive meaning. It shows us what luck of respect for each other can do to society. It is a masterpiece of a movie!

[@bathroomlabs1677]

Now this was a movie that had a high budget and used it properly

[@bathroomlabs1677]

@Andrei Salvaleon yeah usually big projects are bad and cheap made films can be great

[@vinzer72frie]

@Major Gear 50 million its pretty low

[@kaihiggins725]

£55 Million is not a big budget mate. Usual budgets for big movies made by Warner Bros, Disney etc are way past £150m-£200m

[@Grandmaster_Sub-Zero]

"A child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth."

[@yohanndamystic]

@@irishwolfIV it's a african proverb. The other version is "It takes a village to raise a child, it also takes a village to bring down a child"

[@yohanndamystic]

@The Nintendo Mario FAN Dude, it's older than naruto manga, this is also why there are two versions of it, the one I told was the first, the author made à good choice thougth

[@yohanndamystic]

@The Nintendo Mario FAN But you don't have to trust me, just google the first part "A child [...] The village" and you will see

[@CONGTHEGUERILLA]

Lol gay quote

[@Grandmaster_Sub-Zero]

@@CONGTHEGUERILLA Just like your gay picture.

[@solidskullz5736]

I hate when people say it’s “too dark” it’s a movie about a man descending into insanity and becoming a homicidal maniac crime lord what the fuck were expecting, just because it’s dc doesn’t mean it’s a super hero movie. The movie was a goddamn masterpiece and I will always stand by it

[@lydiaespiritu2752]

ShinobiSkull What I don’t understand is how tf is it even “too dark”? Like y’all know movies like Cannibal Holocaust exist, right?

[@lydiaespiritu2752]

Seriously there are wayyyy gorier and dark movies out there. Bunch of pussies

[@GJBattles]

Boom clap the sound of my heart!

[@jadbruce7785]

I got goosebumps

[@alexbeerune]

GJ Battles the beat goes on and on and on and on and on and on on

[@dueldr]

The Media response to this film is the most terrifying aspect of the film.

[@mohammadkamran5862]

Thank you for speaking out on this. The media is so fucking wrong. This film made me feel sorry for a person with mental illness and how society is kicking him down constantly while he’s trying to do his best to keep his life together and not go into madness. It made me understand that I really don’t care or even understand people with mental illness and how difficult their life must be. It’s given me a new perspective on life. The film is disturbing and sad, the violence was the last thing on my mind and it’s not gonna make anyone want to go out and cause mayhem. That’s just stupid. Like you said the media just wants to control everything and this film is showing how society is fucked and unfair and it’s letting people down every day that need help to survive.

[@joeythejanitor1920]

_Hmm, today I will take my child to see a R-Rated movie and blame America for it._

[@user-fq5bs3xp5r]

LMFAOO

[@bettyoffdead]

underrated comment 😂😂😂😂

[@Loneski255]

Yup. Parents don’t parent anymore. They expect everyone else to.

[@okieyoshimd9817]

This comment is so poignant, but is not any less true because of it.

[@113-M]

This is no laughing matter. I saw several kids in the theater when I went to see Joker. Ten or so year ago, even if an adult had consented, children under the age of their early teens were not allowed to see such R-rated films in theaters.

[@Commodore4life]

"By banning films like Joker, people won't commit mass shootings" OH WAIT.

[@alvarodebarrio7718]

Gun control puff, of course is the movie

[@DmanLucky_98]

Imagine: Movies get taken down, violence increases Movies get re-released, violence decreases The Media: See we told you Movies cause violence, not our misinformation and lies and faulty stories...

[@jalontf2]

We should just make murder illegal. Then no one can do it and we will all be safe!

[@samuelalexandrdvorsky1996]

Reading this was so beautiful. 😂😂😂

[@GJBattles]

This thread is awesome.

[@postmodernshaman5929]

Murray was a metaphor for the very same media that hates the Joker.

[@flyingrancidm00nfish7]

Him and the bullies they uphold as popular (three wallstreet guys)

[@muzamilnabinadroo]

"Bullying is what present media rides on if bullying is attacked then they will starve to death" it is so simple to understand.

[@DRKNT640]

* Pennywise eating kids * Media: meh * Arthur questioning the mass media * Media: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@killagurl7602]

😂😂😂😂 true

[@utbhav]

Accurate

[@PebsBeans]

actually everyone was bothered by pennywise being supposedly "homophobic" but hey

[@JinhoIzanagawa]

@@PebsBeans Bruh how in the fuck is a monster Homophobic

[@thesilverwind6922]

Media: “Nah, joker isn’t that bad at all- WAIT IT QUESTIONS US?! BAD BAD TERRIFYING DANGEROUS REEEEEEEEEEEE”

[@horationelson1840]

“The media is awful Murrray”

[@nolandavis1129]

“Murr-ay”

[@justadogwhousesmoderntech43]

Murray, can you tell me Another joke.

[@pot6700]

Knock knock

[@MsJOSHY51]

@@pot6700 who's there?

[@davec3651]

It's the media ma'am, your kids got shot by a mass gunman. They're dead. Ha ha..

[@wanderingfido]

You finally have a movie that speaks to the daily struggle that most of us face every day. So, of course it's instantly relatable to the majority of us. And of course it will make a billion dollars. We are being beaten, humiliated, harassed, and tortured at various turns and repeated times in life. Privilege and inherited wealth does not autonomously entitle anyone to a moral high ground.

[@farmerchick3040]

It's too real for them. They are the villains in this movie.

[@Lo0serx3]

protagonist does not equal hero. people need to remember that and they'll be able to enjoy stories like this

[@surprisedchar2458]

Exactly. People completely miss that this iteration of Joker is responsible for Batman’s creation. He’s still the Joker who loves to live in chaos. We just get to see why.

[@-et37-]

It’s been a while since we’ve gotten a Villain as a protagonist. And boy is it a welcome change.

[@strawberrypoison7964]

Lo0serx3 JUNKO!!!

[@Gameprojordan]

yeah protagonist is literally the main character, if in this film it had batman clash with him throughout the film batman would be considered the antagonist in the context of the film

[@ghostofsentric]

Overlord

[@miracleknight7758]

The fact that the media wants Joker to fail makes me want to watch it more.

[@DemarMerka]

Nicholas Miracle Yes!!! I haven’t seen it yet and now I am making big plans to go see it ASAP.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

GTA and Mortal Kombat media attacked, and they survived, not just survived, flourished.

[@MrGoblin1000]

No one wants the Joker to fail. Also the Joker is part of the "media", so no the "media" doesn't want the Joker to fail.

[@SurfbyShootin]

That might be intentional marketing.

[@ThePenguinsfly21]

@@MrGoblin1000 Seems like your not listening or watching the video

[@MallowToons]

The film shows that even the toughest fabric can tear with the tiniest cut. I’ve been picked almost my whole life and feared that people are staring at me and judging my every move, so this movie hit close to home for me.

[@KidMousekatt]

Man I’ll watch it again to piss the media off

[@KlairedeLysOfficial]

Of course, the corporate media doesn't like Joker. It held a mirror up to their faces and they saw Murray.

[@Ard-mhacha-abu]

Simply Klaire well said 👌

[@SouthernSkeptic]

And trashy liberal cities.

[@danyyilbun6736]

And censorship,the whole you can't joke about that thing

[@wason7985]

Murray was a dick only in his show, but he was pretty respectful with Arthur when they met

[@orionstar1530]

@@wason7985 thats the point they are snakes, nice to your face then stab you in the back

[@alexdinu589]

Media: Joker promotes violence and will cause a mass shooting Joker: You don't listen, do you?

[@ember258]

So true

[@TheKatalie]

people do not listen. they only listen to what they wanna hear. Joker~

[@sirgigglesticksnot540]

I worked at a movie theater when Joker released. The bag policy felt more like a talking point and making people not bring in food. We literally had to measure bags and only let in bags under 10x10in. We later changed to 12x12 then 24x24 and kept that until I left. Movie theaters have been going under for years now. The 2 places I worked at fired their professional projectionists they had for about 10-20 years.

[@TailsClock]

The childish thought that there are just: victims or villains. This is something I used to think most of us grew out of. To become an adult and not know that all villains are victims is deeply worrying. But that is how the world is, so childish. Reality is being outright denied by so many, and it's so weird to see this serious topic attached to something made for entertainment. That is Joker's crime though, that it's acknowledging reality. The people against the film are painting a big sign on their foreheads, that they are the problem. The ones who are telling you that you aren't a victim anymore if you're mean. The ones who will say your suffering is invalid now, because it makes it easier for them to hate you. Those are the problem people.

[@kurtmueller2089]

Metacritic scores: "Journalists": 59% Users: 93% Hmm...

[@DJSpike-ft9yw]

They are not critics, they are political activists who wear the skin of critics. Each of them either slandered the film based on nonexistent political rhetoric, were too afraid of Hollywood backlash if they gave it a positive review, or didn’t get the joke.

[@Minifigcreator97]

DJ Heitland the media is the psychiatrist at the end of the film. “What’s the joke” “You wouldn’t get it”

[@SwirlyJoe]

Eh, I didn't think Joker was that great.

[@mrvn4841]

@@SwirlyJoe why so, respectfuly asking.

[@LordMalice6d9]

I do not trust the users. They have no consistent logic or objectivity. Those scores can be manipulated as well. On top of many of them being dumb, ignorant, over-sexed teenage children with addled minds, who wouldn't know what a good plot to a movie was if it fell from the sky and landed on them! I do not trust "Users" because they have been exposed for being almost as ideologically biased as critics! And I do not trust "professional" critics or mainstream corporate outlets reviews as far as I can throw them!

[@leonslaw5722]

The reason the media wanted this film to fail was to justify their shameless persecution and disregard for the mentally ill. Ironically proving this film right

[@xMarrilliamsx]

Also I think the other message that scares them is how people with wealth are always regarded as more valuable and morally superior despite that they are human and also can be shitty human beings that may be responsible for the darkness in our society.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

@Fedora Eagle how so?

[@deathbydeviceable]

@II QuietRiot II you got it. Couldn't get the topic going without rage

[@hq3802]

Corey leon lol Someone said that it makes people with mental illness look coll like joker.When literally the whole movie mocks about society not caring much about mentally ill people and showing joker as a pathetic figure ehich at end of the movie Fills you with rage.LIKE INSTEAD OF JOKER THEY WATCHED SUICIDE SQUAD FUCKING IDIOTS

[@drb4074]

Disregard for the lesser people of society, especially if they are a white male. In the movie, most of the rude and callous treatment directed towards Arthur isn't because he's mentally ill. He's just some nobody, and they treat him like garbage. Like the millions of people out there that are nobodies or such, for whatever reason. The media wanted so badly to make Joker the poster boy for the disenfranchised white males out there, often derogatorily called names by the media and 'better' people. They were hoping those outcasts and weirdos would act out like their "hero" Joker. That's why they wanted the film to fail. Because it gives a voice to those disenfranchised, fringe members of society that happen to be white. Yeah, white guys can struggle with mental and life issues too. And their problems are just as legitimate as the pet class minority of the day the SJWs are touting.

[@jdraven0890]

I'm writing this in July 2020, when the same Media paints a false narrative about the omnipresence of police violence & white supremacy, then excuses actual destructive rioting in the streets. But a movie like "Joker" is the real problem.

[@JoelP99]

You're halfway there. The media also exaggerates the "destructive" rioting in the streets. They desire conflict. If it bleeds, it leads. Sell more advertising, make more money. 1/2 the population say the cops are the problem, 1/2 say the protesters are the problem. Insert hyperbole. Profit. Wasn't that one of the points of Joker. That we're all the problem. Instead of trying to find threats and enemies, instead of trying to one-up or get one over on another person, treat people, all people, well. Care for everyone around you, or suffer the consequences and blame no one but yourself when the world burns.

[@jdraven0890]

@@JoelP99 Well, you won't see me defending the modern Media, that's for sure.

[@sandshark2]

Joel Petersen one issue shown in Joker is the media’s need to cover for the elitists in society. Disneys Star Wars covered up for all its flaws, now the media flipped the script following Boyega just as BLM starts. The violence in protests being covered up, as those instigators are being exposed as wealthy class outsiders and antifa, and the media still tries to cover up the elite’s meddling. The splitting is caused by convincing both sides the other is a demon, when all they had to do was cover up the elitist causing decent. The elites enact the oppression and looting and burning, while the media covers it up and blames it on a smaller, oppressed group. Super conspiratorial, but meh

[@Jim90117]

You mean the reporter telling us about the “mostly peaceful protests” as he stands in front of a raging inferno that was a local business?

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

“Joker is too terrifying” Wait until they hear about horror movies.

[@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559]

bad entity that is bad and has bad properties and does bad things which causes bad

[@kaihiggins725]

this is a horro movie for the media

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

He literally kills 6 people. That isn't even a percentage of how many the John Wick killed

[@milkbar1407]

@@tomaszzalewski4541 I've heard that an overgrown grape once deleted half life in the universe

[@sheena1521]

Joker movie: *is successful* Media: *W E L I V E I N A S O C I E T Y*

[@sheena1521]

@AlphaArgonian for dramatic purposes

[@oijoseph3887]

*you weren't supposed to do that

[@paranpics]

*BOLD TEXT*

[@hyperwastaken8650]

We already do

[@cocacolazero635]

The media actually isn't trying to stop the movie from being succesful, this is just another fake outrage by a shitty clickbaity youtuber, you can clearly see he didn't read the articles and many of the websites he cites also wrote dozens of articles promoting the film

[@RandomGuy7705]

i like that media claim that Joker has a toxic fanbase, yet ignores Harley Quinn's fanbase that idolize an abusive relationship.

[@galacticgamingguy5906]

Alot like reylo shippers in that regard and I love kylo

[@dankmemes8254]

I bet if Harley Quinn moive copied the joker moive scene by scene they will praise it still

[@BrandonGiordano]

@Nick Moore to be fair he also emotionally and physically abused her. I love both the characters but I mean if you're trying to compare who's worse to whom than the Joker is worse by a mile. Still love em both though

[@occultnightingale1106]

@@BrandonGiordano The point Nick was making, I think, was that it wasn't ONLY the Joker who was cruel, abusive, and manipulative in their cesspool of a relationship. They're both fucked up characters, which is something Harley's most fervent fanbase refuses to acknowledge.

[@vlotusv]

Have you taken a poll?

[@falconawesomeness1141]

Movies like these are necessary. It shows us how to be better or nicer people. Thinking about others and what invisible challenges they may be going through. And it also shows how certain actions give birth to things, thoughts, and actions in people.

[@sarmadhabibkhan3036]

The people who said The Joker sucks/is problematic are also the people praising Cuties right now

[@kaihiggins725]

Na alot of people just complained that it wasn't the joker they wanted i.e the one we see all the time. Only a small group cried about it being a problem.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

Media is afraid of their own reflection How poetic.

[@ember258]

So true

[@raewynhaughton1585]

What reflection?

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@raewynhaughton1585 The reflection of how evil, controlling corrupt & biased they r.

[@raewynhaughton1585]

savitarsavior Flashfan Xd nah I’m pretty sure they don’t care or think about Joker anymore

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@raewynhaughton1585 Yeah, that's the thing these People seem to love stirring up Drama about things, & yes I agree they couldn't care less about joker, star wars or certain franchises in general they just want Drama, & pissing off people seems to give them joy, just gross.

[@nocturnowl_0100]

"What's so funny?" "You wouldn't get the joke."

[@WexMajor82]

That was a bit predictable, but enjoyable nonetheless.

[@gregorsmith]

I like “you people still call it miniature golf”? Lol! I died at that line.

[@jadenvanhess2341]

I think he just says “You wouldn’t get it.”

[@nocturnowl_0100]

@@jadenvanhess2341 yeah sure but i found it was still one of the best lines showing the audience that he KNOWS he's insane and just doesn't care anymore. The world he's ever known has never showed a shred of decency to him and this is his story of giving up on pretending.

[@kareemmasri3934]

Thrash umm...... it did?

[@belladonna8425]

Because it's an accurate depiction of a violent and depraved American society ran by the greed of an elite capitalist class that has destroyed humanity and the planet. Joker was a work of art. First movie I have actually bought in a decade.

[@johnnybgoodeish]

That was a great nuanced movie, appreciated by those that are so tired of the two dimensional evil villain tropes.

[@AnthonyBoutdavong]

“Families walk out of movies” Maybe bc it’s not a family movie LUL

[@MrWhangdoodles]

@UNIVERSAL SPACE EXPEDITIONER Which self respecting 16+ year old watches The Joker with their parents?

[@noahcarver6133]

“Joker has toxic fans. Does that mean it shouldn’t exist?” Have these people met the internet. Every fan base has toxic fans.

[@clayxros576]

And by their own metric they shouldnt exist, cause media's fanbase is exceptionally toxic

[@willhiggins9563]

Have you even seen a discussion about toxic fans?

[@TyPhenirW0LF]

If Joker fans are Toxic, Harley Quinn fans are Nuclear Genocide, right?

[@FatalArcana]

Has the media seen the Riot Games community?

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

They'd have shat their pants if they ever met a Homestuck or Superwholocker.

[@hirobhya]

I can't deny that I am trash if I already KNOW that I am trash. Late, I know. But hey. I just got recommended this today.

[@Kreiser_VII]

Some of these "elites" in the media have outright asked for violence, blaming it all on these mirrors and, as far as I can tell, people have actually dies because of it. Feels good to know without ever doubting it that you're a good person, doesn't it

[@Duskets]

Media: "Hurur Joker is an incel movie" Meanwhile, Joker is all about how dangerous it is to ostracize people just because they're different and that we should be accepting of others.

[@gbdornls]

The same people who say joker is a incel movie are the same kind of people who in the movie ended creating him.

[@PizdaMatiiiiiiiiiiii]

@@gbdornls I start to believe that theory even more, considering its what i experienced after the movie. Packed cinema, i only saw 2 ppl leave tbh. But at the end, folk were discussing it, some liked it some didn't. But what struck me was what i heard at least 2 people say. 'I didn't like it because he was such a pussy until be became the badass joker'

[@osmanpena4643]

😂😂right...

[@MidnightCoup]

I don't agree - Arthur Fleck shows more courage, determination and empathy that any incel I've seen.

[@jackskellingtonsora]

Sounds like the opposite of an incel movie.

[@johnrobichaud1983]

Shocked parents that don't understand what an R rating is: "It's way too terrifying" That's Life starts playing in the background

[@austinwhitman2285]

Well, the past few years the R rating hasn't meant anything other than language, drugs, and sex. It's not what it used to be. It's about time a movie came out that deserved the R rating.

[@mortenbrandtjensen6470]

Sat in front of a family with a 12 year old. Thought of telling them prior to the movie that it could be a rough movie, but then again assumed they had done a little research on the subject. When Arthur turned they got concerned about their choice. Glad I told my 12 year old she wasn't old enough to watch it.

[@AvengerII]

@@mortenbrandtjensen6470 I've seen more than a little bit of "asshole parenting" at the movie theaters, too. At screenings to Scary Movie and South Park: The Movie, I saw kids with their parents -- mothers who should have known better. You can post all the advisories you want but some idiot is not going to use the babysitter or get a friend to watch kids. They honestly think a movie theater is a nursery for their kids or that the kids can't be traumatized by what's onscreen. There's a film or two I won't watch now because they were shown in my class when I was in elementary school. There's an infamous film about a real-life child molester (who operated in the Mansfield, Ohio area) they used to show in schools. My class was one of the last to see it. That film IS online. It's PD because no company will sell that film and it was an educational film. I refuse to see it to this day. Funny how the only educational film I saw in school that I care to see is "Donald in Mathmagic Land"! I own it on DVD... :)

[@silverdropstudios7323]

Clearly they didn't see that giant R slapped on it. Must be good for the kids, right?

[@AvengerII]

@@silverdropstudios7323 Clearly, there are adults who don't understand that KIDS ARE KIDS, Kids are NOT Adults!!!! Sometimes, it feels like at least 1/4 of the parents out there drank turpentine when they were kids themselves... Probably did it on a dare or mistook it for alcohol!

[@trickshot646]

Ah 2019, back when the peak of our problems were contraversal movies with psychotic clowns, good times.