Heavy Metallurgy Presents! Episode #26: Black Sabbath post Ozzy Discussion w/ King Fowley!

Deceased's King Fowley returns to join Alan and Marty on our deep dive into Black Sabbath's influential discography! We will also make sure to have a Q&A segment with King before we get into the discussion, so bring your questions and comments to the chat!
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[@kingfowley2082]

very fun time. many thanks to everyone that watched or commented. cheers :)

[@aleksandarandonov5358]

I laughed my ass off when you said forbidden was dropped to an F. I completely agree that album is garbage. Headless Cross is legendary. Really enjoyed the show

[@kingfowley2082]

​@@aleksandarandonov5358 cheers. haha yeah from headless cross to that. a damn shame what that record is.

[@metalneanderthal]

Please come back King! Love to always hear you talk about music. It’s a blast

[@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth]

Good to see/hear ya, King. And hey, off topic, but have you read Paul Stanleys autobiography?

[@robertmorris8371]

It was great fun to watch king enjoyed those stories you shared hope to see you back on another stream soon!

[@ObsidianBlaze9]

Mercyful Fate discussion with King would be cool or an old school death metal discussion would also be cool.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

We have plans moving forward! King shall return!

[@scottwilcox2440]

Excellent show guys! I really liked hearing opinions on the "lost" albums no one talks about. So happy everyone loves Headless Cross as much as I do. For years I felt like I was alone with that opinion.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I’m late to the party, but the Martin era is so strong. I think it was just the era they came out in and the fact that the heavy music genre was shifting to more aggressive sounds. Thanks for watching!

[@rockandmetalplus5248]

Another awesome show, always entertaining, both live and at a later date

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

We are so glad and thankful that you’ve been enjoying the content! More to come.

[@Martroid]

That was absolutely brilliant - thanks, gents 🤘👽🤘

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

You’re welcome and thanks for watching!

[@srednuasrmit]

Episodes are pretty long but what the hell, it’s good discussion and prompted me to subscribe.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

The shows can indeed go long, but they are intended for people to revisit at their leisure. It has been a blast and thanks for enjoying the content enough to subscribe.

[@thomassiegemund431]

Thanks Guys, that was a great disgussion. Love your channel, and a special thanks for dumping on 13, I starten to think I was the only one. Cheers from Germany

[@kingfowley2082]

cheers :)

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

For all its faults, I don’t hate 13….. WAY BETTER than Forbidden!

[@CHROMIUMDIOXIDERADIO]

Man. I dunno why, but I was so excited for you guys to arrive at Forbidden. I dunno why. The album just makes me laugh. Awesome show.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

It’s a tough patch in the otherwise impressive Martin era. You just like watching the world BURN! Haha

[@drummusicinc4027]

Mob Rules is my favorite Sabbath record too….. My first real concert, seeing them on that tour, blew my 13 year old mind…. Made me a Dio and metal fan for life 🤘🎶👍

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I can’t imagine seeing Dio during that era. Would have been magic. At this point, we’re they doing many Ozzy era tracks? I know Dio HATED doing this. Thanks for watching.

[@jamesramondetta]

Very enjoyable show. Admittedly, I don't have a lot of listening time to the non Ozzy/Dio albums. Gonna listen through them, after hearing this .

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

There’s a bunch to process, but there’s a lot of great material to enjoy. Thanks for watching!

[@meanmetalmike666]

My Top 5 Favorite Post Ozzy Era Album's 1.Heaven & Hell 2.Born Again 3.Dehumanizer 4.Mob Rules 5.Headless Cross

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Great list. Thanks for sharing. Hard to go wrong with all of that classic material.

[@thesecretsamurai]

Love this series!

[@s.craigzahler8670]

yep alan---sign of the southern cross is my favorite sabbath song ever, though die young is a very close second.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

So hard to choose the best of the first 2 Dio slabs, but it always have to come back to Mob Rules for the top Sabbath album of all time. Complete perfection.

[@s.craigzahler8670]

i was also at that radio city music hall show. very memorable, though my last time seeing dio was when heaven and hell and motorhead opened for judas priest just before nostradamus came out.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I regret never seeing him perform. A true legend!

[@darkhymnsfromthecoldnorth]

Cheers, Zahler. Really enjoying your movies lately like puppet master and dragged across the concrete!!!

[@s.craigzahler8670]

thanks! your support is appreciated.

[@booshting3520]

Loved the Headless Cross and TYR period of Sabbath. Saw them on the tour for the TYR album. Phenomenal performance, but they left blood on the stage. Attendance was really bad. It must have cost them money to play.

[@johnconstantine7397]

Came and went like Jessie Camp’s career!!! Holy shit, love you so much King.

[@kingfowley2082]

glad someone caught that one :) cheers

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Where is he NOW!?

[@throneofmight]

Killer overview of my favorite BS eras! Anyone with more insight about the fact that the "Born Again" master tapes were found and there is a remixing process in the works? Greetings from Costa Rica!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

I know nothing about the tapes! King probably has more of an inside scoop on this. King????

[@GabAssbreaker]

this was a blast, King is a true metal hero, always fun to hear his opinions even if i don't always agree. If i had to pick a post Ozzy album, i'll go with "Born Again" and "Mob Rules" for the raw sound and the dark songs... "Heaven and hell" is a classic but im a bit tired of it nowadays

[@kingfowley2082]

cheers :) enjoy what you do always. ;) mob rulessssss mania :)

[@GabAssbreaker]

@@kingfowley2082 cheers from Chile, we love Deceased... here!!

[@kingfowley2082]

@@GabAssbreaker cheers and salutes! all the best!!!!!!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

King returns next Friday!! Thanks for watching.

[@thereverendgypsy]

Manilla Road

[@robertmorris8371]

This has been a blast to watch there is some solid underrated albums post 1980 in the sabbath catalogue ha hands down though forbidden is the worst! one story is there's a version exists with ice t on lead vocals!

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Jesus. No thanks! Glad you enjoyed the show. Thanks for watching!

[@metalneanderthal]

Fantastic two parts. I loved it. Here’s my final ranking. 1. Black Sabbath 2. Master of Reality 3. Paranoid 4. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 5. Heaven and Hell 6. Sabatage 7. Vol 4 8. Dehumanizier 9. Mob Rules 10. Headless Cross 11. Born Again 12. The Eternal Idol 13. The Devil You Know( screw it, it’s a sabbath record I don’t give a fuck!) 14. Tyr 15. Cross Purposes 16. Never Say Die 17. Seventh Star 18. 13 19. Forbidden 20. Technical Ecstasy Edit: I didn’t stay up for the end. So I watched it this morning. I agree that Sharon O fucked everything up. I hate her. She has destroyed so many musicians. Tony owned 100% of the Sabbath name. The only way he could do a reunion back on 97 was sell half back to Ozzy. I truly wish he hadn’t but…..let’s not kid ourselves I look at it that besides money he did it to solidify Sabbath’s legacy. If he hadn’t most people would have thought of them as founding act that hadn’t put out a good album since 81. Obviously I don’t think that but the masses do. Even King said it, during the Martin era they could barely sell 1000 tickets. I loved those Martin albums but King is right during the early 90s nobody wanted anything to do with them. But what’s really bad???? If any of the non Ozzy era sells or is used. Sharon and Ozzy get 50% of royalties now. 😡 that just blows my mind. Oh and during the 13 tour? Ozzy kept his 50%. Iommi had to split his 50% with Geezer and that fill in drummer. It was a shame the way it ended but the music as a whole on 13 I still feel was pretty good. At some point you just run out of ideas. Although I’d love one more Iommi record with Hughes I really liked Dep Sessions and Fused. Also maybe because Iommi is my player across the board I’m a bit jaded. I’ll accept that but selling out? Yeah maybe but it’s money that probably will take care of his kids and grand kids after he’s dead. He spent nearly a decade carrying the Sabbath name making very little money doing it and basically restoring to being a club act again. He paid his dues twice. Once coming up as a teenager and a young adult trying to get a deal and then again as an early middle aged man. 🤷

[@kingfowley2082]

yeah he should of held his ground. sharon wanted that name soooooo bad. but it is what it is. iommi is my player too. he's jsut coem up short for a good while now on good records. cheers

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Dehumanizer in front of Mob Rules? Mob Rules at #9?!? ACK!!!! Haha. Thanks for watching man!

[@metalneanderthal]

@@HeavyMetallurgy oh hell yeah I fucking love that album I completely disagreed with all three of you. It’s 9.5 out 10 for me, oh and it’s my 2nd favorite Sabbath album cover art too. But kept on mind I was born in the late 70s so Dehumanizer was actually my first Dio era album I heard. While Mob Rules was most of all yours first entry into the Dio era. 8 years difference in terms of first music experiences is actually a big gap. It why a lot of people in their mid 60s and 70s only prefer Ozzy era. It what the knew for almost 10 bucks years. So I totally get it.

[@alphaomega5205]

Catching up to this but today had a day off and caught up with the end of this sabbathical marathon. The 2nd part was even better. Now I will just say something, totally concur with King on his appraisal of "13". For me its worse than "Forbidden", to simplify it that turd is just another lucrative Osborne matron exploit and the way their whole camp treated Bill Ward is disgusting. Black Sabbath ended when Iommi sold his soul/band to the Devil aka Sharon. Ozzy/Sharon get the lions share, Tony a decent share, GzR a tinier one and Bill got the scraps, of course he wouldn't accept this (a bit like the reason why the original Sepultura ended)A little footnote: I need to side with Alan on the "Dehumanizer" defense militia - its a very good record but clearly not a very varied one, it was a sign of the times document... very much in your face

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Worse than Forbidden? Whew. I can’t agree with that statement, though I do understand the hard people have for 13. They were too influenced by Rubin who told them to essentially re-enact their classic debut. Was a clear money grab. Pretty sad way to go out, though I do enjoy the album. Thanks for watching!

[@martymartin2894]

Martin Birch is my all time favorite producer along with mutt lange for what he done with AC-DC, but i don't like the production on heaven and hell i don't think it sounds good. Mob rules production is much better.

[@recordmass6298]

Yes! Kings opinion on the new Maiden album, exactly!!..it's fuckin anti-commercial..and dark..love it! Great second part! Hails and salutes to all and thanks King for jumping in and sharing your thoughts! -My absolute worst is "Born Again" (And Forbidden and 13)..I love Deep Purple but Born Again..man.....it's not just the production (which I really don´t mind)..the problem is that it's rushed-sloppy-botched, it's off tempo many times-distracted, poor execution, they sound forced, Gillan's voice sucks on it--it's stressed-forced-exagerated, childish lyrics...it's predictable, and it's an album which COULD have been great to me, but no....except one/two songs...don´t like it..max grade: a D+ on a good day -I love The Eternal Idol (both with Ray and Tony Martin), Headless Cross (Amazing) and Tyr. I like Cross Purposes as well. I really like Tony Martin's voice and execution. -The Glenn Hughes album is cool. -The Dio albums--H&H (In 1980 nothing sounded like that...unique sound..don´t agree with Popoff...he talks a lot of nonsense sometimes) and Mob Rules are top, Dehumanizer is a bit forced and rushed personally for me..quite a big step down. "13" is boring, self plagiarism and sucks. Just a product for product's sake. Cheers, Al.

[@HeavyMetallurgy]

Al… thanks so much for watching and sharing your comments. Born Again… it was definitely a grower album for me, but at some point, it clicked pretty hard for me. It’s heavy, dark and weird. Disturbing the Priest? Crazy! Take care.