Heavy Weapon Concepts: The Heavy’s Dead-Ringer

[@MeatwadMeatwad]

It being unable to activate when being healed would be very frustrating on the part of the heavy because a medic, if he is either stupid or trolling, could easily beam you for a split second and cause your electroshock to not activate, killing you.

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

Yeah, it completely goes against one of the most basic class synergies in the game. If you're a Medic, you're instinctively going to want to stick to a Heavy if you see one, and vice versa.

[@Markm8]

Ild let it be used but you get like “-100% medic healing when active” stat

[@plantdv]

not getting healed by medics would be too harsh, even for a weapon as strong as this i think just having the inability to be overhealed would make it much more manageable

[@coolepic519]

@@Markm8uuuyess

[@ManicObsevations]

​@@Markm8add a -100% Uber build to.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

Saw him in a match yesterday. Suffice it to say that Big Joey's still around, but I figure that he's taking a break from video making.

[@watchman0062]

Cool.

[@afungi9885]

Saw him tonight too

[@yellor]

saw him today too

[@jame-optional-s]

saw him tomorrow

[@Brainnotbraining0]

So you saw him today?​@@jame-optional-s

[@an0rmalname179]

Bro thinks he's the Electric Giant, which is a 7 elixir card in clash Royale that is considered as a win condition that only targets building, however the teslas on it's back will shock all nearby enemies.

[@Jsiehdud]

I an the electric giant, but patriotic

[@CptJack-ws8nz]

YOU SNORT COCO POWDER, YOU COCO POWDER SNORTING MAN

[@hexagonalchaos]

this is quite the shocking idea

[@lusca999]

but here's the shocker

[@montygeorge4841]

No 😢

[@Jsiehdud]

But not as shocking as communism existing

[@ignaciocampos5625]

It is quite shocking they have not added it to the game yet

[@spoolofyarn6682]

ha ha ha

[@albertocuboc5606]

YOU SNORT COCO POWDER

[@Stoopid726]

man

[@theslungus1000]

​@@Stoopid726 rain worl.

[@kirbystar6447]

YOU SNORT COCOA POWDER YOU COCOA POWDER SNORTING MAN

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

What if the electro-shocker instead of acting as a sudo dead ringer, gives you the option to dash using your wasd keys, like you double tap one direction and you burst ahead into that direction, it would be great for dodging as heavy and getting in with a melee

[@Mrwilliam22120]

Dude. That would be so much better. It would actually be viable to be a melee heavy with this

[@finnbaker3985]

I feel like that deserves to be its own new weapon. Like a jetpack that would remove the mini gun but give other benefits including the dash. Or maybe tf2c tried that and it was terrible idk.

[@alejandropetit6573]

Heavy with the shield of cthulhu would be amazing

[@joaoborgesrodriguesalves6554]

electro shocker,kgb and fat scout combo.

[@cromfrein]

"sudo dead ringer" i wonder how root access could affect the dead ringer

[@mr.manmccheese7240]

Ah I missed these kind of videos from you Big Joey. I'd really love to see some of these items actually in the game!

[@hipposeducer28]

YOU SNORT COCO POWDER, YOU COCO POWDER SNORTING MAN!!

[@Pudding404]

Seems like the GRU is almost essential when using this effectively. Discount bonk, lol.

[@t4t4all]

Have you played TF2 Classic's official servers recently? They added a new Heavy primary that's an anti-aircraft cannon. It sacrifices close range superiority for explosive, mid-range burst damage with delays in between shots.

[@rattled6732]

I would say it shouldn’t work only once per life since that limits weapons a lot on larger maps and punishes players for staying alive for a long time. Maybe give it a long cooldown before you can charge the damage again and or make it so you have to pick up an ammo pack or health kit while at full ammo or health

[@vlim5601]

Make it burn out and then have to be replaced at a resupply locker.

[@shadowsnake5133]

​@@vlim5601 you clearly don't understand how bad that is, let me point it out for you in all caps real quick, RESUPPLY ACTS AS AN INSTANT RESPAWN! MEANING YOU JUST SUGGESTED ONCE PER LIFE AS A STAT!

[@Soul-uc9mu]

make it a gaspasser 2.0

[@Toku-k1c]

rest well Joey, we appreciated what you gave us but we never expected you to go on forever

[@Heavy_weapons07]

BIG JOEY, YOU SNORT COCO POWDER

[@IrregularReviews]

You snort Cocoa Powder

[@sirTyperys]

hello big joey slap-nuts, you snort cocoa powder.

[@Goop946]

I think keeping it at one use per life would create another Caber situation. I think you could do something like the sandvich like when you’re at full health and you pickup a health pack you gain another use of it that life. I also think Uber duration should be reduced but speed boost lasts the same.

[@he3004]

I think it needs time, like make it only able to activate once it's been 60 seconds after it's last activation so you can't just dominate an army and then just not die every single time they kill you

[@A3N.A2B]

or i would reduce the health of heavy by 33% makeing it 200 health. this would make heavy more weak to short range and mid range opponents

[@heavydutydavid5020]

@@A3N.A2B That is a gross downside. This weapon would be atrocious with that downside. A downgrade actually.

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

SMOKE COCO POWDER NOW

[@milkshkae]

bro have you been snorting any cocoa powder recently?

[@past2908]

I thought this would be like the electro giant from Clash Royale but in tf2. It would zap people who get too close to the Heavy, dealing 5 dps and slowing the enemy down until it gets out of the radius of it.

[@PjWags]

Joey doesnt upload anymore 😞 great to see the ai still taking over for him tho

[@ThatSupportTho]

Something I love about your videos. Is that you just have blinks the time sweeper store menu theme music in the background.

[@liamclark7173]

I hope he hasn’t silently stepped away from KZbin

[@Paydin1200]

What happened

[@liamclark7173]

@@Paydin1200 its been 7 months

[@stupid7287]

9*

[@piratavorak]

Exactly what this game needs, another dead ringer but even more overpower

[@Fatsaver]

Meh, Dead Ringer can be used at any time. This is basically like a Soldier Banner where you gotta deal lots of damage to be able to use. Personally would never consider using it as i can't use a lunchbox.

[@ElitesSymphonies]

Tbh this is what the dead ringer should be. can't use it instantly but only below a certain health threshold, keeps it from being spammed.

[@Inmortuae2233]

Bro thinks dead ringer is overpowered 💀

[@cmanhanks1]

​@@Inmortuae2233it kinda is when used by a pro spy

[@Inmortuae2233]

@@cmanhanks1 Any weapon can be OP if the player using it is good enough.

[@nighty_core]

It was fun to play around with these items on the server (yes I died twice in the kill feed I'm a engineer main what do you expect from me)

[@auricksuess8743]

It seems like a lot of KZbinrs are creating their own servers to create their own ideal TF2 experience. I would totally play on a Big Joy TF2 server with your weapon Ideas.

[@pengdaw2nd]

An electric backpack on the biggest mercenary made me worried that it'd be braindead overpowered for noobs like how the Electric Giant was in Clash Royale, which this item reminded me of. Its still a little strong sure, but at least it needs effort.

[@Hunch0808]

COME BACK AGAIN! THE HEAVY COMMUNITY NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!

[@billyboymgee1729]

I JUST PLAYED A MATCH WITH HIM

[@cristinagomez3283]

Back like it never left Once again, the ginormous Giuseppe never fails to tickle my pickle

[@carsonferg]

tickle my pickle is wild

[@ALouisae]

me when big joey spells medieval as mideval at the 3:32 timestamp 🗿

[@xyro3633]

Welcome back, Giga Josie!

[@saucepocalypse8565]

You could have it be sapable by spies to disable the backpack for a short duration or entirely until your next life, would still require heavy to have to look out for aware Snipers but would make it easier to survive sniper or a general Barrage of damage

[@thenewkid5181]

If we want this, we better make sure that this doesn’t just become an invincibility phlogistinator.

[@mythos951]

Good to see a new episode from an old series. To this day, I still think that weapons like the big guy, the sub sandvich shotgun, and the Molotov(this was something mentioned outside the series) would be perfect new weapons if we were to get a heavy update.

[@Egg-ehg]

You’re like the uncle Dane of heavy

[@nomuom2086]

I would make healing from medics be reduced like the back scratcher, and make your health go to 25 instead of 1, so a random bullet from the otherside of the map doesn't kill you, that way the enemy has to actually target you.

[@ChristainGuyOfAction]

I remember seeing this on one of those TF2Classic custom weapon videos. It seems like a neat idea. I like your thoughts on potential fixes. I'm personally fine with the idea of being able to activate it more than once per life, but I think each successive activation should require more damage to charge it up. Maybe increase it by 300 each time? First activation requires 600, second requires 900, third requires 1200 and so on, resetting back to 600 when you actually die. Sure, you can keep activating it repeatedly, but you're gonna have to deal an insane amount of damage in order to do so.

[@ImDaRealBoi]

Maybe it can have a hardcap at 1200 or 1500, since having it scale infinitely would be a bit ridiculous, and you might just have heavies killbinding to reset. Very good idea to have the snowballed damage requirement though

[@A3N.A2B]

i think reduceing heavy's health to 200 would also be a good fix

[@vindiesel6695]

Hey big Joey I heard you snort coco powder

[@Mister_RandomGuychannel]

Bout time theres another episode of this series

[@anthonyshannon7559]

What if instead of 'get out of jail free' activating for the last point of HP, it activated when you are down to or below 100 hp ( assuming the other trigger conditions are met) This would mean enemy players could force a heavy to retreat (or at least stop firing) by dealing 200+ damage, but the Heavy has the option to go run and save himself or rush the point/block enemy fire for allies

[@quakeknight9680]

What's next? You gonna turn this Big Russian Guy into a Mega-Knight? A PEKKA? Might as well turn MvM tank into a Wall Wrecker from CoC

[@AugourtMcChickenFardKnuckles8]

big joey saw the electro-giant in clash royale and he decided to make this weapon concept

[@spybgon4597]

It's been a year Daddy I really really miss you

[@milliondollarmistake]

2 ideas came to mind when it comes to balancing it. The first is to keep the multiple uses per life BUT have the damage needed to gain full charge increase after each use. So 600, die, now it's 800. Then if you die again it's 1000, and so on. The other potential change would be to either get rid of Heavy's overheal completely or make it very minor, like -90% overheal or something (ideally it also wouldn't be bugged and give the Medic increased uber rate too). The constant healing would help the Heavy actually get to the damage threshold needed while still giving the enemy team plenty of counterplay. It should also be VERY obvious that a Heavy has his back thing charged like Medic's uber.

[@tatoulino515]

I thought the same for the overheal as it basically exchanges one kind of resilience for another. But that scaling recharge cost is just pure genius, it's a perfect way to limit exploitation and avoid the razorback sniper play style.

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

My problem with the “1 per life” idea is the same reason I wouldn’t use the caber as after 1 swing you just have a weak melee for the rest of your life or in this case no secondary which is actually kinda important for the character with a strong primary

[@CannedPsycho-]

It looks like a weapon that counters backstabs like the razorback does, so that's what I think it should do. It should take the heavy's second slot like the razorback does on sniper, and the heavy will have to choose whether he wants to be able to support his team with lunchbox items, or be spyproof for a single stab. Heavy's secondary slot is very important and the moment a spy stabs his electroshocker, he's just wasting his secondary slot for no more benefit. So I think the electroshocker should not only stun the spy's attack, but also drain his cloak meter so that spies are discouraged from engaging the heavy at all unless he's low health and they can gun him down or there's a second spy to backstab him immediately after.

[@vadorrodav4370]

Even with the changes you've mentioned, I still think this weapon would be insanely unfun for everyone, but at the same time, it's a really unique idea that it would be a shame to not be included. So maybe, instead of a ubercharge once you "die" you could just heal up to max with the speed boost included, but also give the heavy a mark of death of 3 seconds more or less, So you can give the enemies the actual possibility to kill you.

[@nanoblob4998]

YES NEW BIG JOEY

[@Gnome_Tank]

This weapon has a real *shock* factor on it

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

I think this weapon could be changed in a few ways. -It functions similarly like a banner in where usinv it once means you have to deal 600 damage again -There is no Uber or speed boost, you just regain all your health back with a short animation happening while you revive or -This weapon instead gives passive healing like the Concherer does -You’ll always be crit healed with the weapon and with Medics

[@groucho6388]

Electro Giant Ahhh weapon

[@Lanesra62905]

This is just the Electro-Giant from Clash Royale!!!

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

I think you could make it take away 100 hp and allow it to recharge in 60 secounds. I would also make it equipable in either of heavys slots so you could run a really cool fat scout with it.

[@weakest_serb]

This turns heavy into the electro giant from clash royale.

[@Rydercycle]

Just popping in to say hi

[@veham12]

geting a heart from the man himself for saying hi is really silly

[@Rydercycle]

@@veham12 we go way back. long story

[@veham12]

@@Rydercycle oh i guess that makes a lot more sense actually

[@brycenfox883]

Slapping nuts as always

[@KableDev]

Even in tf2 I can't escape the E-giant

[@Your_dear_friend9999]

What if. Instead of leaving a heavy with 1 hp. This thing healed him by full. BUT the main disadvantage is that you do not receive treatment from a medic while this thing is on you.

[@Budget_Crumbs]

The shocker should be able to recharge upon use but make the starting amount of damage be 400 and make it ramp up by half of the previous amount. So at first you need to do 400 damage to charge it, once its used you should need to do 600 to recharge it, then 900, then 1350 and so on

[@Pillbug_anims]

My idea is that you would have to reach and keep your damage dealt over a certain time period to work, and can only be used once

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

Ah, yes, I love when my backstabs turn into a giant man barreling back to safety like a linebacker

[@Gr8ful_295]

Whoever made this sure has a spark of genius!

[@ImDaRealBoi]

I feel like this would be pretty good for fat scout, now that I think about it. Lower the damage needed when it's in the primary slot and you got a really tanky scout. You can escape out of a fight with the extra speedboost, which is what scout has over fat scout, but you have to earn it with damage since you have a higher health pool I do think your idea of it being disabled on a medic beam is a bit much, since you can be griefed by a medic if he so chooses. The "once per life" limit also has the same issue as the caber Maybe instead it should be that after using the weapon, the meter has a temporary maximum/hardcap placed onto it, and you have to clear it by healing from healthpacks and medic beams. Instead of healing you, health sources would clear the electropack's hardcap until it is fully erased. You can still charge it while it has a partial hardcap/hard damage ofc, but you don't get to use it until a medic or healthpack clears the meter and you get that last little bit in. No healing while you're ubered by the electropack ofc. Medics can still gain uber, they can't grief you with this idea, and heavies can't be tanking damage with a backup revive.

[@fwrp3444]

What if instead of giving you an escape, it gave you just a few seconds of being a monster before you finally kick the bucket, making the Shocker more of a last-ditch thing?

[@Some_Goose]

0:36 I recognize thinking heavy from my friends list! Neat coincidence.

[@jkthebongoman3652]

Dawg they turned heavy into a 7 elixir card 💀

[@DontknowwhatImdoinghere...]

YOUR BACK, YOU MAD LAD! YOU DID ANOTHER CONCEPT! I've been waiting... (flips through videos) ...1 YEAR for this! Thank you.

[@Qaos]

This weapon just seems like another middle finger to spy to me, and that class really doesn't need more weapons that negate their entire existence.

[@nwefe]

i love this series! glad to see it back, even if it was ever really gone or not.

[@Noctully]

In my mind I hear "Charge it heavy"

[@Crazymoniker]

Alternative idea for balancing: after activating, it reduces max health by up to 150. At 0% charge, you have 150 max health, at 50%, you have normal health. Instead of recharging on damage dealt, it's recharged by being healed, from any source. All incoming healing is reduced by half while the electroshock is recharging, and it requires the equivalent of 8 full heals to fully recharge. Additionally, while it's recharging, you cannot be ubered.

[@HPugwash]

Uber Heart: an ubercharged elephant heart than on consumption gives 5 seconds of Uber, secondary fire restores 50% health

[@YellowScar2014]

This would pair really well with a "minigun" that doesn't need to spin up, like a sort of thompson submachine gun.

[@qua_xor3348]

0:02 #3 Dumpy (P.S. Literally electro giant from clash royale)

[@piglin469]

Electro giant

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

Ironically, he died.

[@uningenious]

I think joey did this weapon so dirty. He forgot to mention: A: Crits auto bypass the mechanic. That means backstabs/headshots/kritzkrieg ignore the revive in the first place. B: It sets your AMMO to 0, not forcing you to fists. DRAINS your minigun ammo to 0.

[@sandgaming8801]

Goes hard, thanks big joey

[@americanmapping832]

Never thought I'd see one of these again

[@anotherbloodyfanwriter1941]

Redesign the physical look of the weapon to mirror a modified version of the Austrailium machine from the comics, release the weapon with reworks along with the final comic and the heavy update. Most heavies won't be able to use it effectively, but those that can, will be a force to be reckoned with. Exactly the same way the spy's deadringer worked out. Probably won't happen, but a heavy can dream. Great match yesterday, Joey. 10/10 would box again

[@oMy_9]

i thought this was a heavy razorback at first sight and i thought "engineer needs this"

[@PyroGaming...]

Bro has the best intro in the history of youtube

[@ChadF-t6n]

I think heavy should get a shield that replaces the minigun, like medic's shield in mvm, to finally give the shotguns some usefulness and create new and legit defensive or fat scout play style. Also please make a “How to fight against every class as heavy, and win” video, no one is making one for heavy :(

[@funksoder]

i miss you big joey

[@stumonster6091]

Instead of 5 seconds of uber, I kinda like the idea that he stole a small amount of Scouts bonk, since those two are always at odds, so he gets the bonk effects and the slowness upon damage too. A bit funny.

[@bubba_brandon]

When I first saw this, I immediately thought of the "fat scout" heavy. So the way I would balance it would be to have it be a primary equipment for the heavy and keep the 600 damage requirement and once per life (or recharge it with resupply cabinets in spawn). To account for a medic, when it's active the heavy can't receive any healing and when it's charging, the healing from a medigun is greatly reduced

[@high55550]

in my opinion, i dont think a weapon should reward you for a lack of situational awareness, even if it is just to book it

[@Thatguy-05]

I thought of an idea for scout where it would be a melee weapon baseball bat, with a 25%firing speed and 20% less damage and no random crits, but on left click after a .5 second windup he can reflect projectiles (to fit the baseball theme) and the reflected projectile does double damage if it hits and as a bonus for each kill you get on a reflected projectile you get 1 guaranteed crit on any weapon

[@itsasecrettoevery1]

they added the Electro Giant to tf2 🗿

[@thepizzaman6310]

Reminder that this thing requires the same amount of damage to charge as the gas passer

[@funbro99]

Oh no...the heavy train would be a nightmare

[@henchman1366]

hell naw, my man tunrd hevy into an electro giant

[@Boat_Sponge]

This must be the evolved electro giant 💀

[@SkillZgetKillZ]

I assumed it was going to be Razorback for heavy before watching but now I realize... it's the Dead Ringer!

[@SleepySlimeOfficial]

Letsssssss go my favorite little guy is back

[@td3pa837]

It’s been 400000 years since last episode

[@100nodog]

Doesn't charge while actively being healed from dispensers or medics is a good change

[@elbow_tan_gaming1302]

I would love a primary weapon called "Saxton's combat manual" and it would give heavy the move set of Saxton hale in exchange for his primary and secondary weapons

[@CoyoteMao]

The model would go nicely with some Halloween-restricted sets.

[@JAIBADRIVISHAAL]

come back pls