Hebrew Voices

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #195, Ancient Hebrew in America?, Nehemia speaks to a geologist about the only Paleo-Hebrew inscription found in an Indian burial mound during an archeological excavation. Is the Bat Creek Inscription scientific evidence of pre-Columbian contact with Israelite lost tribes or a 19th century hoax by a Smithsonian Institute archeologist?
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[@Shuvah2Him]

I am old, and my dad was an amateur archaeologist who found Clovis points in the early 1950s. When he showed them to the experts, they accused him of faking them because it was impossible. A few years later the experts found them in the area.

[@RichardDCook]

The "Clovis first" debate has raged for years, where any archaeological site, no matter how airtight the dating seems to be, is a priori rejected if it predates Clovis. It's another example of the academic "consensus" tries to crush anything that flies in the face of their assumptions.

[@brucerisen9825]

Its a academic cult of monkey worship

[@D.Eldon_]

_@Nehemia Gordon_ -- Thank you for tackling this subject. The evidence for ancient Hebrew visitors to America is growing. If I remember correctly, the most compelling evidence is genetic. Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson has been studying the DNA of native Americans for several years and I recall him discovering a unique Hebrew strain in some tribes. Jeanson's work is forcing historians to reconsider many of their theories about migration of early peoples into and across America. His book "Traced, Human DNA's Big Surprise" is excellent. Thank you for the polite way you questioned Scott Wolter. It was disappointing to see his confusion and lack of comprehension -- he didn't seem to understand several of your questions. Nor did he appear to understand their relevance to his credibility. Volunteering that he is a Mason and a Templar is not the way to establish scientific credibility and I'm glad that you teased from him that this came _after_ his Bat Creek Stone research. His comments often strayed too wide of the subject. Plus, he seems to think that authoring books is somehow equivalent to evidence. It is not. I have read many authors who lacked critical reason and who fabricated or miss-applied evidence (it has taught me to check footnotes and sources). So, claiming you have written much on a subject is no guarantee that you are correct -- or even as knowledgeable as you think you are. Wolter's books may be excellent -- I have not read them. But to cite them as evidence in this video is foolish. In a video like this, he needs to succinctly cite only specific evidence and not rely on "I wrote a book". His comments at the end about "the Name" were bizarre and it was a shame that he appeared unaware of your extensive work on that subject. Lastly, I am disappointed that a translation of the Paleo Hebrew text on the Bat Creek Stone was not offered in this video. If you do a "Part 2" video as you indicated, please include a translation in it.

[@dre.ale.1191]

According to Wikipedia, in Paleo-Hebrew it says, “for the Jews”

[@cheriemartin3737]

Thank you for posting this. It substantiates what I said below and provides the name of the geneticist that I could not remember--it is indeed Dr. Jeanson! I wrote: "Approximately 150 members of the Cherokee nation voluntarily submitted their DNA for genetics testing. They were stunned to discover upon receipt of the results that they are 'more Jewish than American Jews.' That's a direct quote. This information came to me from one of the ancient peoples genetics projects that I follow on KZbin. Sorry that I can't provide a link to the study, but it might pop up with a keyword search."

[@darlenelane9010]

@@cheriemartin3737 not correct.

[@michaelparks5669]

I am Mormon and I love Nehemia's works. Thank you sir.

[@Craigs_Veritas_Bullet1n]

Do you know when you will die?

[@65nagrom]

Ok Nehemia, did I miss it? All of that was great, but what does the inscription say (or not say)?

[@dr.payneteaches2842]

From what I have read it says “qets l'yehud" meaning "border for Judah."

[@saulreed5286]

Does Nehemia still do teachings with Keith and Jono? I miss listening to all three of them do teachings together.

[@terrijuanette486]

I like Nehemia and Keith. They're a great team.

[@BarqB]

@@terrijuanette486 Miss them!

[@jeff3olsen]

Nehemia, your constant interruptions are amazing! Can you please interrupt more often next time? It really allows your guest to provide clear and complete thoughts.

[@geoffrobinson7293]

Nehemia - This guy's evidence is interesting. Don't get too wound up on the peer review. I am a structural engineer with degrees in both Forestry and Engineering plus I have extensive background in material science, material testing and forensic engineering with wood, steel concrete, plastics and composites. What he is showing and presenting makes sense from an engineering and geologist point of view. He knows his geology subject. Archeology could learn a lot from geologists. (I don't necessarily agree with Masonic or Free-Mason or Knights Templar issues.) I am more interested in the facts. Thanks for posting it.

[@vangogle1]

Oh. Man. If he just hadn't started explaining about God's name to the worlds unequivocally foremost authority on God's name😂😂😂 Actually, I his investigative work into the paleo Hebrew stone immensely and found it pretty convincing based on the new scratches vs. the original letters. I think it would have been nearly impossible for the guy who discovered it to scratch the paleo on it and then weather those scatches to make it look old with the technology they had in the late 19th century. Furthermore, why would he write paleo Hebrew on it snd say it was paleo Cherokee if he was trying to fake something😂😂 So, please ignore his exuberance about Freemasonism and lack of knowledge about God's name and get him back. Like yo hear about the Tucson lead stuff and others. We can take his speculations with a grain of salt. But, i do like his proofs so far.

[@brucerisen9825]

His belief in feminine and masculine to be the same is anti torah but pro Marxist?

[@phillipbradshaw]

Is it not written that two merchant ships that sailed from Israel in the days of Sholmo?

[@sigalsmadar4547]

that was the book of mormon

[@phillipbradshaw]

Two ships went out, but didn't return, smoking Solomon [Shlomo] stopped sending them. Cherokee and Creek are descendants of ship wrecked Israelites.

[@jimthorpe2024]

I have been wondering and waiting for this subject by you Nehemiah for a while. Very interested very excited! Now I listen😊

[@lucyfoster8624]

Great conversation! Wonderful topic. What a blessing to be present to hear this discussion. In the building of the tent of meeting at Sinai, Hashem had brass rings specifically called for in the blueprint given for the tent's construction. I realize that would date brass at a considerably earlier time than the carbon dating dates presented in the 1987 slide. I vote for the origin lidar dating test to be run. 😊.

[@bonnieyake3117]

Very interesting!

[@ArikLevi-fq9ox]

A fascinating study about Hebrew writing in early America! Weigh the evidence for yourselves. I lean towards it being real but I don’t know if it can be proven 100 percent either way. Sort of like the Shroud of Turin. Doesn’t effect my faith either way. Thank you Nehemiah!

[@wilmaeulberg4323]

There are no ancient books to prove the Books of Mormon. He was a free Mason.

[@margaretlaird5452]

I kept wait for Nehemia to provide a translation of the paleo-hebrew, given I knew nothing about the subject to begin with. It was gratifying to hear the anti-Smithsonian comments. I believe they've hidden so much from the public which does fit there personal perspectives and/or biases.

[@JohnMc-q8s]

Barry Fell’s book is ‘America BC’

[@Scythianjo-hn]

Shabbat Shalom. First, I wanted to say that I do have most of your books and watch your informative content. Your books are a delight to my personal library, I did loan some of your books out to a friend, brother Tim about a year ago. He has and is reading them while doing his scripture and Torah studies. Hope to get them back soon. LOL. Anyway, I wanted to say that first a few years ago after watching America Unearthed with Scott, I did contact a friend and fellow researcher of yours, Dr. Miles Jones. I still have the emails and I did show him The Bat Creek stone, Key Stone and Decalogue Stone from Ohio, and the Kensington Stone that Scott wrote about. Dr. Jones couldn't translate the Bat Creek Stone. I still have the email. I do respect you and Dr. Jones and this is not intended to be some kind of academic attack. My focus is on those Ohio Stones. I have questions and would appreciate your input. The Ohio Decalogue stone is very unique. Please look up the pics online. They even sale replicas of it. Some say that Priests carried it around. What is your take on it? This particular stone is worth further experienced study. Thanks and bells you and yours.

[@michaelparks5669]

It is easy for ancient sailors to come from the old world to the Americas . To claim that they did not is just silly.

[@robertwilliamson2609]

Why would you think that? Traversing the entire Mediterranean and Atlantic without instruments is not easy.

[@michaelparks5669]

@@robertwilliamson2609 Huh? The Phoenicians sailed around Africa. Ocean currents carry ships from North Africa to the Americas. Check out Thor Heyerdahl's book the Ra expeditions. It takes about 2 1/2 months. Even East Coastal Native Americans said their ancestors came from a land east over the ocean. New evidence proves the Mayans of Central America were trading with Natives from Georgia. The ancients had long range shipping from about 2.200 BC

[@johnchaffin5494]

Something that came to my mind during the discussion of the polish was did anyone consider the polish could have been caused by carrying a valuable possession in ones pocket?

[@MrFirstone23]

More!

[@poboyspecial]

Is the stones composition indigenous to the area it was found?

[@my2cents49]

I'm not understanding the point of this interview. He asks the interviewee to basically defend himself a lot but doesn't spend much time going over the actual piece, and spends most of the interview on the verge of telling the guy he's a pseudoscientist without going over the findings much. They didn't even start discussing the piece itself until over 2/3 through the video.

[@CoquiUnlimitedOfficial]

Hope to see something like this in regards to The Taíno people of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. We DO BELIEVE it’s one of the lost tribes, because a rock was found with what looks like ancient Hebrew letter’s that an old Taino woman was hiding from the Spaniard Invader’s.

[@vm1552]

Where is that rock?

[@Shuvah2Him]

I enjoyed this! There are many “ scientists” of many flavors that have preconceived ideas that color their work with bad reputation. At least this one admits his bias. I hope you do another video on the fakes.

[@lynnreed2493]

I can assemble a group of things that I can bury at one point in time but the assembled items can be from varying historical times. The guest doesn't make sense.

[@jamesjustice859]

Shalom ❓ I am looking for a person, website ir group to pose questions to about Jewish history, culture and other questions that come up. I can't afford university and I have a lot of questions. Blessings . Im posting on bith sites

[@DeAndresTellez]

If you find haplogroup y J1 or J2 in native americans (something that, until now, I think has not happened) there you have the proof. In any case, if anyone from Canaan came to America, they would most certainly be Phoenicians, not Jews.

[@davidpriddy9216]

there is more to this story King Arthur and his brother Prince Modock . From Wells

[@sigalsmadar4547]

So what was Nehemia's conclusion?

[@patrickmorris9710]

The light of freemasons does not come from Yehovah. There is no connection.

[@scottintexas]

Freemasonry, just like Mormonism, is a cult, whose story is told and re-told however necessary to perpetuate it.

[@cheriemartin3737]

Approximately 150 members of the Cherokee nation voluntarily submitted their DNA for genetics testing. They were stunned to discover upon receipt of the results that they are "more Jewish than American Jews." That's a direct quote. This information came to me from one of the ancient peoples genetics projects that I follow on KZbin. Sorry that I can't provide a link to the study, but it might pop up with a keyword search.

[@darlenelane9010]

You are so wrong. The native americans genitics are from primarily East Asian ancestry, with a smaller contribution from palaeolithic West Eurasian populations. Do your own research on the subject if you really want to learn the truth.

[@rhb30001]

Was the book of genesis written in paleo Hebrew?

[@cheriemartin3737]

Moses is believed to be the author of Genesis. No doubt he had access to ancient records that Noah brought with him in the Ark.

[@scottintexas]

No, Moshe wrote down Torah ~1400s BC. This would pre-date paleo-Hebrew and more likely would have been an alef-bet of proto-Sinaitic phonogram characters. These would have resembled basic agrarian drawings (alef = ox head, bet = square representing a house, gimel = a camels head, dalet = door, hey = stick man w/hands up, etc.) We have a rough idea from archaeological digs, but nothing close to a book of Torah in proto-Sinaitic. PS - paleo-Hebrew came around as a simplified (quicker to etch/write) version of the proto so it lost its agrarian symbols. 1100-550 BC The squared style of Hebrew came around during/as a result of Babylonian captivity (a pagan, corrupting influence). Still, even the modern Hebrew characters have significant meaning within each letter (how they are shaped).

[@bobhall4712]

That was so fascinating! Can't wait for the next one. Maybe you guys can collaborate on the name lol. Thanks!

[@RH-vl2wy]

You need to follow the old bronze trade routes….

[@eldansambatyon]

Not paleo hebrew but actual ancient hebrew script.... is it true that its a sin to change or replace any letter in the scriptures? but the hasmoneans without authority from yhwh introduced a new alphabet replaced all the letters of torah/tannakh (just to catch up with the times and hellenist influence)

[@user-et9xb3cy4u]

Nehemia ,I love you and your work. But this guy has too much of a sore ass from academia to take seriously. You started by saying letting the facts speak for themselves, as always, but when you bring up honest questions about the guy digging it up . This guy instead of saying facts not in evidence. Wants to say that's ridiculous. He's unwilling to consider humans being human. That's not really scientific method. But this guy sore ass attitude has given me a headache.

[@steveabraham8847]

Most scholars consider the Bat Creek Stone to be a hoax. The Bat Creek Stone was discovered in 1889 in a burial mound in Tennessee and was initially claimed to be evidence of pre-Columbian contact between Native Americans and people from the Old World. However, linguistic and archaeological analysis has shown that the inscriptions on the stone are more consistent with modern forgeries. Specifically, the inscriptions appear to be a poor imitation of Paleo-Hebrew characters.

[@sigalsmadar4547]

Thank you! Sanity! There's an excellent documentary on the Michigan relics too.

[@Melungeonpeople]

Nehemiah I'm an attorney and it's obvious that you did a hit job on Scott. Very disappointing. You went from acting like you knew what you were talking about to feigning ignorance. I'm a Karaite and no longer a fan. To invite a man on your show with a hidden intention of attacking him without him knowing is absolutely sinful. Shame on you. You think you know what you are speaking about but we have done many autosomal DNA thru out the Southeast US of both black and white families in the rural areas to avoid inward migration. What we have found is everyone we tested match Jewish populations including Israel. This is the same DNA collections used by the state of Israel. Also non of the families had any substantial British DNA. Either we are descendants of Sephardim or we are the Hebrews that Scott refers to. How did all of us have Jewish alleles? You will be on the wrong side of history.

[@siosophy]

Nechemia, it did seem like you interrupted way too much and made it hard to follow and draw our own conclusions. We aren't silly and are able to do that. Love your work in general though, but I think it would be better if you made on point / comment and then let them speak. You draw it out for 5 mins and it just wastes time bro.

[@RichardDCook]

I think Nehemia verged on that a couple times, but he's right to be on the lookout for holes in the conclusions and question them.

[@freeto9139]

It came across as disrespectful, and hard to follow several times. I had to walk away a few times and shake my head to break the discordant vibe. I thought, if Mr. Wolter would have been allowed to continue for a few minutes; clarification would have surfaced on its own. Plus, a lot of questions really could have waited till the end. Thankfully, Mr. Wolter had enough patience and generosity to weather it and hold onto the continuity that would so easily been lost. Very fascinating topic to which all three men contributed. Thank you, gentlemen! Looking forward to more.

[@Mizrahbless]

una cosa es ser hebreo y otra es saber hebreo. o saber hebreo no quiere drcir que lo sea y hacipasa con el judaísmo profesar judaismo no quiere decir que lo sea y haci pasa en israel profesan judaismo por conversion no por genetica

[@jujujudio]

Druid.

[@JoySisco]

Too much arguing

[@RichardDCook]

The Smithsonian launching virulent attacks on anything that flies in the face of their assumptions is nothing new. Linguist Joseph Greenberg's "Language in the Americas" (1987) which applied exactly the same method which led to the discovery of the Indo-European language family to Native American languages was attacked especially strongly by the Smithsonian. Thing is, linguists who've spent their whole careers studying a single language often take pride in the belief that their language is a "language isolate" which belief can rise if you don't do much looking around at other languages. So when comparative studies are done showing that your pet language is merely one branch of a vast tree it's a professional insult which must be "shouted down". However not only are the similarities within the various language-families Greenberg proposed quite obvious, these groupings have been supported by modern DNA studies.

[@scottintexas]

The government-controlled Smithsonian has been hiding and destroying archaeological evidence for a long time. It’s the old adage - history is written by the victors. The atheists and God-haters have dominated “science” for quite some time.

[@thomaspennfenn6649]

😴

[@ruth7er]

* The Messiah Isaiah 53:1-12 - "Who has put faith in the thing heard from us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed? 2 He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him. 3 He was despised and was avoided by men, A man who was meant for pains and was familiar with sickness. It was as if his face were hidden from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account. 4 Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. 6 Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. 7 He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. 8 Because of restraint and judgment he was taken away; And who will concern himself with the details of his generation? For he was cut off from the land of the living; Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke. 9 And he was given a burial place with the wicked, And with the rich in his death, Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth. 10 But it was Jehovah’s will to crush him, and he let him become sick. If you will present his life as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, And through him the delight of Jehovah will have success. 11 Because of his anguish, he will see and be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, Will bring a righteous standing to many people, And their errors he will bear. 12 For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors." * For the transgressors will have their own due. Luke 12:8 - “I say to you, everyone who acknowledges me before men, the Son of man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God." 1 John 2:23 - "Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." * For what is meant to happen will happen. Revelation 16:12 - "The sixth one poured out his bowl on the great river Eu·phraʹtes, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the rising of the sun." Daniel 11:44 - “But reports out of the east and out of the north will disturb him, and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction."

[@Paul-ben-Miqra]

Isaiah 53 isn't talking about the messiah. It's the kings of the nations of the world talking about Israel. The "servant" in context is Israel (Isaiah 49:3). Sometimes referred to in the singular, sometimes in the plural. I know it's really hard from someone to look at this passage a different way, when all your life you've read it from a Christian translation. But this is not talking about the messiah. This is when the kings of the earth collectively realize they have been persecuting Israel for sins that they themselves were guilty of. And they will be beside themselves with incredulity when they suddenly comprehend how the suffering Israel endured should have fallen on them. Don't take my word for it. Look up Rabbi Tovia Singer and the "Let's Get Biblical!" audio series. Check out his talk on Isaiah 53. Here is the passage, starting from Isaiah 52:13, from a Jewish translation, the JPS 1917. 52:13 Behold, My servant shall prosper, He shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high. 14 According as many were appalled at thee- So marred was his visage unlike that of a man, And his form unlike that of the sons of men- 15 So shall he startle many nations, Kings shall shut their mouths because of him; From that which had not been told them shall they see, And that which they had not heard shall they perceive. 53:1 'Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 For he shot up right forth as a sapling, And as a root out of a dry ground; He had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, Nor beauty that we should delight in him. 3 He was despised, and forsaken of men, A man of pains, and acquainted with disease, And as one from whom men hide their face: He was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; Whereas we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, He was crushed because of our iniquities: The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, And with his stripes we were healed. 6 All we like sheep did go astray, We turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself And opened not his mouth; As a lamb that is led to the slaughter, And as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; Yea, he opened not his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, And with his generation who did reason? For he was cut off out of the land of the living, For the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. 9 And they made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich his tomb; Although he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth.’ 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; To see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, That he might see his seed, prolong his days, And that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand: 11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, Who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, And their iniquities he did bear. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; Because he bared his soul unto death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet he bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.

[@ruth7er]

@@Paul-ben-Miqra Isaiah 53 is well written in layman's terms to be understood by the general readers. To be misconstrued by traditionalists is not God's fault, but u denying God's pronouncements. 1. Israel is often referred symbolically in the bible as a woman not a man. Becoz God should have been her husband. Read Jeremiah and Isaiah. 2. Even if u read only verse 12, it's clearly written there that God describes the Messiah. Now compare this whole chapter to Jesus suffering before he died. If ur not biased, read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. 3. Read the Old Testament as it is and not so much with the invocations of ur Rabbis. That if u favor the truth more than ur genealogy. Cling to the utterances of God more than the man, becoz man will not give u the everlasting life, God is.

[@ruth7er]

@@Paul-ben-Miqra 4. Nope, the interpretation is not of my own volition. In fact, the context speaks for itself and was well explained by Paul, as he quoted the first verse in his account in Romans 10:16-21. 5. Also, Jesus himself quoted the first verse in his account in John 12:37-43. The good thing is that Jesus never claimed that he was equal to God. Only the counterfeiters will do.

[@Paul-ben-Miqra]

@@ruth7er "...Jesus never claimed that he was equal to God." That is something that you, I and Jesus all agree on. Tovia Singer is not my rabbi. He just explains this passage very well. But if you don't understand the text in the context it was written, it's easy to make it say anything you want to prove what you already believe. At least look into how Torah-observant Jews understand the passage and see if that lines up with the Torah. You might find this passage says something different than you think. It doesn't mean you can't believe that Jesus was the messiah. I'm just saying that Isaiah 53 is not a prophecy about the messiah. You'll just have to use another passage. Deuteronomy 13:5 says this... After the LORD your God shall ye walk, and Him shall ye fear, and His commandments shall ye keep, and unto His voice shall ye hearken, and Him shall ye serve, and unto Him shall ye cleave. The messiah, who he is or will be, is far less important than the work he will do. There is no faith necessary, no need or command to 'believe' in the messiah. The work he will do and the condition of the world at that time is already written in prophecy. Live by the Torah and do what it says. It is not too hard, according to Deuteronomy 30:11-14... 11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: ‘Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?’ 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: ‘Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?’ 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. Micah 6:8 It hath been told thee, O man, what is good, And what the LORD doth require of thee: Only to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.

[@ruth7er]

@@Paul-ben-Miqra for me to understand ur base, I would like to ask if u believe that Jesus is the Messiah or not? Coz u have conflicting narative..

[@marymagnuson5191]

How about we work on NOT being descended from any HEBREW.

[@scottintexas]

Why? What’s wrong with being Here? Do you know what it means? Have you studied the Bible or just allowed using to be influenced?

[@Bear049]

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