🛩️ Heewing T1 VTOL - Narrated FPV Flight

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Giz FPV

Giz FPV

Күн бұрын

Watch me fly my Heewing T1 VTOL whilst listening to me ramble on about rubbish radio's and HD FPV 😋
If you like this plane, check out this tutorial I made showing how to build one yourself: • 🛩️ Heewing T1 VTOL - C...

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@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын
Really awesome flying and footage, dude! 😃 Amazing model indeed! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@spartan3299
@spartan3299 Жыл бұрын
Amazing where FPV has come. Nice live narration effort there. How is the 2200 doing? Looks like you stopped at the beginning of the voltage plunge! It is pretty cool this VTOL, but a twin can really high alpha to a near vertical landing without adding weight and complexity. Still amazing in such a small craft.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! And haha yeah luckily the battery is fine, the voltage bounced back after disarming. I was too busy chatting rubbish to notice the voltage was plumetting lol. Does highlight a slight issue with VTOL's though - you gotta be really mindful to not run the pack too flat during fixed wing flight, else you won't be able to land!
@AerialWaviator
@AerialWaviator Жыл бұрын
Nice scenic video. The freestyle narration is a next change of pace. Really seem to suit this fun flight with a general overview. Think the roll sharpness and loose yaw stability are just related to how the PIDs are setup for this configuration. As you have time to dig deeper, and experiment, you should be able to better tune. The one gotcha with VTOLs is the require 2-3x more power to hover vs. wing mode; so extra battery reserve is needed if planning a V-landing. The battery sag kicked in as descending (18:00) because of the higher amps (75% throttle).
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Yeah for sure. It's going to take a little while to work out the optimal landing voltage. Obviously you need to not decide to land when the battery is almost flat (as I did in this video lol)
@pokerchannel6991
@pokerchannel6991 Жыл бұрын
hi: fpv is a lot of work and components. glad u r doing it so the rest of us don't have to, since we don't really like all the complication.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Haha yeah that's the goal. These things can be really complicated to build, so I try to make the process easier for everyone :)
@CookeCraft
@CookeCraft 9 ай бұрын
Great content, subscribed.
@jimmytheriot8978
@jimmytheriot8978 Жыл бұрын
When you tried to HD system you'll want it, I have the DJI and the walksnail, I also have the HD zero which has been collecting dust because the image quality is nowhere near DJI or walk snail, be prepared to buy one of them after you try it out lol
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын
I guess the advantage of HDZero right now is for whoops, because of the lightweight VTX. Let's see what happens during winter. 😊
@jimmytheriot8978
@jimmytheriot8978 Жыл бұрын
@@MCsCreations probably so but walks now has a 1s board too that fits in whoops, the image quality in the goggles is amazing, and I own DJI too and in my opinion it is a lot sharper especially 1080p mode some people say they don't see a different but I do, about to order me the walk snail VTX to put on my homemade cockpit, check it out on my page tell me what you think
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын
@@jimmytheriot8978 I'm definitely going to! 😊
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I have tried HD before, I tried the DJI system, and I didn't like it. Nothing wrong with the image quality (that was very good), but I didn't like the lack of OSD, the price or the fact it was DJI. Walksnail is the first system to come on the market that looks like it might be appealing to me, but we'll see lol
@richardjustice6220
@richardjustice6220 Жыл бұрын
Hovered mine in the garden, transitioning to forward flight next time. DJI with WTFOSD. Thanks for the vid. Nice site
@Sergey_Prasolov
@Sergey_Prasolov Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual! Could you tell me how VTOL behaves on a 3S battery? And what is the flight time for 3S 2200 mAh? Thank you in advance!
@MessingWithCode
@MessingWithCode Жыл бұрын
Great Video!!!
@pnaty97
@pnaty97 Жыл бұрын
When you engaged RTH the throttle went to 100%. That will stress an already low limo and could cause a drop sufficient enough to trigger the BEC and disarm it. Happy flying.
@kool-k-kel
@kool-k-kel Жыл бұрын
what size batt you using fella.. i chucked 2300mah 3s 50c/100c lipo wouldnt even get off the ground? no power
@JC-tx1pd
@JC-tx1pd 6 ай бұрын
Nice review, thanks. How long it will be in the air and how many km will fly with one battery? Thank you.
@martinguist195
@martinguist195 Жыл бұрын
Great Video! really enjoyed the T1 Ranger series! Did you find out what was causing the yaw spinning when landing?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Yes, it was caused by a setting called 'Weather-vaining'. Basically the aircraft was constantly trying to orient itself so it's nose was facing the wind
@martinguist195
@martinguist195 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv thanks man :D
@Ryedady
@Ryedady 8 ай бұрын
Once u fly hd on a plane there is no going back, i use analog for ultra light builds but otherwise dji is the way to go i can fly 9 miles on dji so range is not an issue.
@_bs5349
@_bs5349 4 ай бұрын
Could u please tell us ,which googles did u use please,and in general all ur staff mate please 😉
@MrShagiFpv
@MrShagiFpv 6 ай бұрын
Love your channel. In my experience the exact opposite happened, Tango2 kept breaking(software) and TX16s being bulky and dimmer screen but runs solid, also love the eargonomics.
@alexrzr
@alexrzr Жыл бұрын
I thought I knew English, but this narration tells me I'm wrong)
@Caroline_Tyler
@Caroline_Tyler Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that! The landing area issue is really the biggest incentive for me. I'm a little surprise it did not include an airspeed sensor as I thought Ardupilot really wants one.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I think a airspeed sensor would be a good idea. As I said in the video, I added a 10 second time out on the transitions, due to the fact the aircraft sometimes doesn't reach the required speed if it's windy. A airspeed sensor would remove the need for that. I could probably fit one on the T1 tbf, I just don't have one to hand and can't be bothered to buy one lol
@anthonystownsend
@anthonystownsend Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv I've got one laying around from an old F35 lighting FC kit, I would be more than happy to post it too you if you're keen.
@AerialWaviator
@AerialWaviator Жыл бұрын
Having an airspeed sensor will help smooth the transitions. It should transition completely once has reached achieved minimum flying speed. Ardupilot with airspeed sensor will also provide both a good ground speed and airspeed (and actual wind speed) See Keith's channel BonafidePirate. He has done demos for setting up. His Ardupilot OSD display setup is pretty good. It seems like you may be missing a couple elements. (like distance to home)
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@AerialWaviator Yeah for sure. Had I realised a airspeed sensor was semi-vital I would have brought one along with all the other electronics. Ahh I'm a fan of Keith's already, watch many of his videos :) I have got distance to home enabled on my OSD, it's top left, underneath the sat count
@Walt1119
@Walt1119 Жыл бұрын
A really great video! Lots of interesting points, I’ve flown fixed wing for years, fpv has always intrigued me, so attempting to make the plunge. The FC, AurduPilot, Inav are still all mysteries to me, need to take the time to learn and understand it. Thanks so much for ur work sharing these videos with us!!
@richardhallyburton
@richardhallyburton Жыл бұрын
Good video, I liked the format. Ardupilot has a flight timer, you can choose what elements to show, and where to place them on the GUI page. You can also choose which items you want to have as arming checks, in the full parameter list. One more thing, you should maybe choose a different mask for your position and altitude, I could quite easily work out where your flying spot is.
@pilotmiami1
@pilotmiami1 Жыл бұрын
bravo.thenks
@_bs5349
@_bs5349 4 ай бұрын
Hi mate,could you please tell me ,how much this kit exactly that u have ,today?
@SWente
@SWente Жыл бұрын
I am having the same issues with my Radiomaster TX16S max Carbon red … Scroll weel was loose than Display fell in … wondering what is next!?! Are you happy with the Tango2 - what are the disadvantages? I am enjoying 😊 your vids!!! Cheers
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Wow, sounds like you've literally had the exact same problems as me. Mine was also the carbon red version. Wonder if there was a faulty batch or something? Either way I'm happy to have moved to the Tango now. The main disadvantage is it has less switches and no sliders (useful if you do pan/tilt stuff). But it's got enough switches for all my aircraft and I don't use pan/tilt, so it's all good. It defo feels like a much more solid and robust radio than the TX16. It's also so much easier to take apart and tinker with if you need too
@mdev3987
@mdev3987 Жыл бұрын
Could you make a tutorial to set up and configure Heewing T1 in iNAV (non VTOL)? 😁
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Already have, look at my previous videos 🙂
@GhostRyderFPV
@GhostRyderFPV Жыл бұрын
Just ordered my Ranger PNP and VTOL conversion, and the very big brain Matek VTOL FC. Then, as I do, I start to research what mistakes I've made. I really wanted this bird in VTOL form, but thought it would be silly to buy the PnP and conversion kit - 2 motors straight to the bin - so I waited for the VTOL-PnP to come out. The included FC gave me hellish APM vibes, so conversion it is! But I thought to myself, this should be the time to jump over to Digital FPV, too, until I saw the final invoice. Next month! lol
@MrZeek101
@MrZeek101 Жыл бұрын
Great video GIZ I thoroughly enjoyed it . And this new narration I think is also a good niche for you and makes the video more interactive . I would also look forward to another Ardupilot plane or wing take care Giz
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Cheers man, I appreciate the feedback. I think I will try do more videos like this. And yeah I also think I'll do another Ardupilot project next year for sure :)
@_Alex_Kyiv_
@_Alex_Kyiv_ Жыл бұрын
What PID parameters do you have for YAW? I am strongly driven to the sides along YAW in stabilization mode.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I was just using stock PID's, I didn't change any. I did however disable weather vaining, and you might want to do the same if you haven't already. With weather vaining enabled the aircraft will constantly try to yaw to align the nose with the oncoming wind. Whilst that sounds like it would be a good idea, it's actually really annoying
@redacted1946
@redacted1946 Жыл бұрын
How did you setup the tango to announce voice stuff for ardupilot like "return to launch". Was it a lua script or did u manually set logical switches to play that sound
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
It's programmed via the 'special functions'. You just teach the radio what sound to play when specific switches are pressed
@pilotmiami1
@pilotmiami1 Жыл бұрын
Bravo
@3DRC-707
@3DRC-707 Жыл бұрын
This is not my battery 🪫 destroys it 😂
@giuliom8520
@giuliom8520 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful place to fly, although, I wish you would fly lower more to make it more exciting.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Next time I'll try fly lower :p
@namcum1407
@namcum1407 3 ай бұрын
can you help me setup one please
@fiqianarofi2991
@fiqianarofi2991 Жыл бұрын
wow...very nice to do.....i like it....enough to mapping little village on west borneo indonesia....thanks lot for video..
@adydix9929
@adydix9929 Жыл бұрын
Hi! Very smooth flight and nice video. Have queries though. 1) Which transmitter and receiver have you installed in this model? 2) At what frequency are you using? 3) Likewise what range do you get? 4) What is the flight duration? Kindly let me know as I liked this product.
@Mstom178
@Mstom178 Жыл бұрын
I hate flying in fbwa, goinig try stab mode. I feel FBWA has too little aileron movement for my liking.
@bomberaustychunksbruv4119
@bomberaustychunksbruv4119 4 ай бұрын
FBWa is fly by wire with throttle control. So you ask for a bank but Ardupilot does the bank for you. Unlike Stabilise which is dire t plane control but with stabilisation.
@rumbey1
@rumbey1 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching that. I have the T1 as standard plane. What hd cam are you using and how is it fixed to the fin?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
It's a Runcam Thumb. If you look at 1:08 you'll see i professionally attached it to the fin using excessive amounts of electrical tape 🤣 It was only mounted for that one flight which is why I didn't mount it properly lol
@rumbey1
@rumbey1 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv really good footage. Is that the original thumb or pro stabilized?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@rumbey1 Just original footage, straight off the cam. Didn't stabilize it at all. I like the thumb, it's a decent little camera 😊
@rumbey1
@rumbey1 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv couldnt see if it's the pro version or the original thumb?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@rumbey1 I think it was the original thumb? Can't remember for sure (I've got both lol)
@camk2552
@camk2552 Жыл бұрын
what battery have you found works good in this vtol? Im building one now!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I've tried a few and so far a 2200 3s pack has been the best
@ifanirmala5905
@ifanirmala5905 Жыл бұрын
May I know what parameters do you use to stop the rear motor in FBWA mode, sir? because I have a problem when the rear motor on FBWA mode keeps rotating at the same speed as the 2 front motors even though I have used the same parameters as your video tutorial?
@jamesturncliff5960
@jamesturncliff5960 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking ask for a ride that will be my next fpv setup that I'm just saving up for after I finish with this one LOL
@RS_
@RS_ Жыл бұрын
Great idea regarding the transition timer! Would you tell me which exact param would alow me to enable the timer, plz? I would really like to try that,coz im having maybe 50/50 good/bad transitions atm
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
If you go watch my build video (previous video before this one) and skip forward to step 141, that's the code for the transition. For it to work you also need to do the 4th code in step 140 too
@murdockfpv5397
@murdockfpv5397 Жыл бұрын
Ardupilot is Definitely a wormhole of autonomous goodness! So many neat projects. As of now I'm giving the scripted aerobatics a go. Awesome vtol build!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, didn't even know scripted aerobatics was a thing! But with ardupilot im not surprised. At some point I'd like to try the auto-thermal mode for gliders, but that'll be a long time off yet
@murdockfpv5397
@murdockfpv5397 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv I tried it on a 3.6 meter art hobby glider and it hunted thermals with surprisingly good results. However it did require a bit of tuning to work well. Of course it looks like you've got a pretty epic slope soaring spot.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@murdockfpv5397 The only time I've ever seen the auto thermal thing was on one of rctestflight's videos a few years ago, but it seemed to work well. Yeah I'm lucky I've got a great location for slope soaring not far from me. Need to get my big glider out more often for sure!
@sherwoodp2738
@sherwoodp2738 Жыл бұрын
What goggles and FPV camera system are you using in this video? Would you recommend them or some other brand?
@olliea6052
@olliea6052 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever gotten lost while fpv-ing? I flew over a light bit of fog once but i got lost! I got my bearings luckily but learned a lesson that day!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Luckily no! I haven't got lost yet (probably due to the home arrow on the OSD). I have however got very disorientated more than once flying in fog. I've found myself in conflict between what I can see and hear, verses what the OSD is saying and have ended up flying all over the place whilst trying to get my bearings lol
@spartan3299
@spartan3299 Жыл бұрын
Before having a goggle dvr, I had to search for my fpv craft if they landed out in the fields. Only really lost one tho. I also have lost video a few times. INav saved the day on my Nano Goblin twice and on my 5inch INav quad I lost video in the trees, but luckily I have practiced finding rth at the beginning of most flights so muscle memory kicks in and if it doesn't hit something on the way up, INav flies in to home , hovers and then lands sweetly. Arduplilot too. Come on Betaflight, just do it.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@spartan3299 It's a great idea to test RTH at the start of every flight, I often do it, just to be sure everything is working as it should. That said though, years ago I did lose a wing because RTH failed, even though I'd already tested it. That wing was built using really cheap and nasty components though (I didn't know better back then) so I've always put the flyaway down to that. Often wonder where that wing ended up lol. Haha RTH on betaflight is just terrible. I don't know why they don't just do it properly already. Just copy and paste the code from inav. Surely that'd work? lol
@_bs5349
@_bs5349 4 ай бұрын
Great job 👏
@pokerchannel6991
@pokerchannel6991 Жыл бұрын
hi: vitol is perfect for fpv,. It can fly like drone and it can fly good like palne
@claytonpozzer
@claytonpozzer Жыл бұрын
Good video! congratulations from brasil!
@alpatch501
@alpatch501 Жыл бұрын
👍
@anthonystownsend
@anthonystownsend Жыл бұрын
I kept breaking switches on my tx16s, even using a hard case, it's not like a would throw it around one anything. Then my screen shat itself. I went back to using a x-lite with ELRS and a T-lite for Multi protocol.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Oh really? Interesting to hear it wasn't just me. It's a shame, as it's a great radio in principle, but you don't wanna keep something that keeps breaking. I'm happy with my decision to move to a Tango 2 though. I've not owned a gamepad style radio before but actually its quite nice :)
@goodwinduncan1505
@goodwinduncan1505 Жыл бұрын
How was flying a fixed wing with tango 2 feels like? Especially with a remote without trim
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I really like it. The lack of trim switches isn't a issue because all the trimming is done through the flight controller rather than manually via trim switches
@goodwinduncan1505
@goodwinduncan1505 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv is there such a function in inav? Wanting to get into the fixed wing rabbit hole. I’m only used to fpv quad, but the flight time seems waay to short
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@goodwinduncan1505 There absolutely is. It's called servo auto-trim. Just flick a switch and the aircraft trims itself. It works very well
@goodwinduncan1505
@goodwinduncan1505 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv thanks for the feedback! Time to get into the fixed wing rabbit hole
@davidlondon3111
@davidlondon3111 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff Giz. Thanks for showing it all
@JakeBullit123
@JakeBullit123 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Just ordered a Xiake VTOL, so I guess I'll be getting into ardupilot soon.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
I'm not keen on getting a Xiake myself due to Jumper stealing the design, however I will admit from what I've seen of it, it does seem to fly really well. Kinda like a twin tractor nano goblin
@Mr_Giraffe
@Mr_Giraffe Жыл бұрын
I like this video format a lot! I don't mind silence either, so if it's difficult to speak while flying, just say nothing for a while and let the footage and audio speak for itself.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Think i'll try post more flight videos, maybe some narrated, some not :)
@jimmytheriot8978
@jimmytheriot8978 Жыл бұрын
In return to home, does it stay in airplane mode until it gets home and then switches into quad mode for landing?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Yup. It'll fly back to home as a plane, and only transition to a quad for a landing. The only time it'll fly home as a quad is if already close to home and already in quad mode
@jimmytheriot8978
@jimmytheriot8978 Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv awesome, finally got mine up and hovering, haven't done a transition yet , your video really helped me a lot , keep up the good work!👍
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@jimmytheriot8978 Nice man, I'm glad my video helped! Good luck with the first transition flight 🙂
@AnodizAimed
@AnodizAimed Жыл бұрын
beautiful
@taggerung890
@taggerung890 Жыл бұрын
Awesome commentary - and thank you for making the build video! I was looking into building one as well to learn more about VTOL setups. Thanks for the video!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it. And good luck if you decide to build one yourself :)
@beefybeef1326
@beefybeef1326 Жыл бұрын
Nice one... love the off the cuff style
@robzFPV000
@robzFPV000 Жыл бұрын
Like to try this plane off my buddies boat. Loved the flight. Great scenery.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Haha that would be cool. Need his boat to stay very still after launch though, otherwise RTH isn't going to work lol
@Mstom178
@Mstom178 Жыл бұрын
great stuff!
@goku445
@goku445 Жыл бұрын
Nice VTOL!
@Crunklefloop
@Crunklefloop Жыл бұрын
Nice one Giz! I've been building one over the last few days, my first VTOL. Today was the hover test which worked pretty well!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Nice. Have you tried a transition test yet? That was the scariest part for me lol
@Crunklefloop
@Crunklefloop Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv I haven't yet. I'm awaiting some antennas arriving in the post before I can fit the VTX. I'm both nervous and excited about trying that first transition. Did you transtion from Q-Stabilised into FBWA?
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@Crunklefloop Ah fair enough. Nooo I do take off in Qloiter mode and then transition into Stabilize mode. I think FBWA mode would work just as well tho
@Crunklefloop
@Crunklefloop Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv I might setup Q-Loiter into FBWA than. Although I'll just be happy if it doesn't turn into foam snow on the first full transition flight.
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@Crunklefloop Haha I'm sure you'll be fine. Just make sure all the control surfaces are moving correctly before launch and you should be fine. Tip: don't be alarmed if the transition seems to take a long time, if you're flying into the wind it slows the plane down which makes the transition slower
@SlavaRC
@SlavaRC Жыл бұрын
😱🙂🤩💥💯👍💪👏
@kool-k-kel
@kool-k-kel Жыл бұрын
when you transition i.e click the stabalized mode. do you build up speed in qloiter mode i.e pitch forward then flick switch or is it almost stationry and transitions with forward speed? make sense
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
The whole process is automatic. When I flick the mode switch to transition from QLOITER mode to STABILIZED mode, the 2 motors tilt forward just a little bit. This is just enough to make the aircraft move forward whilst still holding it in the air. Once the aircraft has picked up enough forward speed for the wings to generate lift, the motors then automatically tilt forward all the way and the tail motor stops altogether
@kool-k-kel
@kool-k-kel Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv ah got ya Giz, thx as always for your replies! p.s keep the format (narration) and your build style vids. Easily the best build vids on youtube.
@kool-k-kel
@kool-k-kel Жыл бұрын
1 more thing...3s vs 4s (amp draw?) which one was lower. ive got a 3000 4s li-on pack. sony cells vtc6. hoping it will be ok, otherwise 3s.Cheers !
@kool-k-kel
@kool-k-kel Жыл бұрын
chucked a 3s in this plane , wouldnt even get off the floor! 2300mah 50c 3s???? any ideas
@scottsimmsfpv7751
@scottsimmsfpv7751 Жыл бұрын
That was cool.. guess I have to do one now 👍
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Oh you definitely should :p
@nicolashectornolascojr8678
@nicolashectornolascojr8678 Жыл бұрын
again nice vids...👍👍👍
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Cheers man!
@Motionbuck
@Motionbuck Жыл бұрын
Finally just got done putting mine together, waiting for my GPS and airspeed sensor to arrive for some other funtivities! Nervous to stick it through its maiden flight!
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
Haha funtivities. Great word. Ah sure it'll be fine, if anything maidening this thing is less stressful than maidening a normal plane. Least you don't have to throw it lol
@Motionbuck
@Motionbuck Жыл бұрын
@@gizfpv Haha with the wheels yeah we shall see just need to find some flat ground! I dont have the VTOL mod :P
@gizfpv
@gizfpv Жыл бұрын
@@Motionbuck That's literally what I did on my maiden. Put the wheels on for the first few flights. Least that way if there's a problem with CG or backwards controls etc you'll know because the plane won't even leave the ground lol
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