Height Over Bore Explained and Why an Elevated Red Dot Is Better

[@joeamen1]

"You are responsible for all 4 inches." Great dad advice. Thanks guys!!

[@hondomclean6759]

That's what your chick says when she gets pregnant....

[@HamuraiC-137]

Words to live by lol

[@bigshawn9038]

That’s what she said😂

[@007slikdikday]

As soon as he said that I went str8 to the comment section and this was the first comment I see 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@programmerm5907]

Beat me to it lol

[@KeeepTV]

I've never been more proud of being responsible for all of my 4 inches. Thank you!

[@nookied3735]

I'm currently rocking the 36" riser so I can shoot from the hip while operating.

[@shaynelhta]

Just mount a laser like me. No optic needed and you can shoot from any position!

[@joseywheels]

I wouldn’t be shocked if that was the next thing they try to convince us to buy 🤦‍♂️

[@dudedog884]

@@joseywheels you dweebs really do cry over the dumbest things🤦🏿‍♂️

[@CLee-qh3er]

Hell yeah. Operate on

[@OEF_Vet_0331]

Same

[@blehbleh222]

The respect that Mike has for DJ is incredible, just the way he looks at him and stays quiet means everything. I love this

[@lovetopew9054]

That's because he's a stupid clown.

[@iamnotacriminal]

Gay

[@judjudersawn2596]

Let’s just suck the cock off every little thing they do I guess

[@draingang1337]

should have zero respect

[@ejwitwavesify]

😂

[@unashamedly1776]

This is why ACOGs with a top mounted red dot are awesome still. You’re heads up with the red dot for close quarters engagements, but can get a cheek weld with the lower ACOG for shooting at distance

[@reyvan3806]

Yeah maybe I'm showing my age but I still love that ACOG/RMR combo. It's still such an awesome choice and not ridiculously expensive.

[@nebick27]

It's the ideal setup for when running a gas mask too, it's how I do it.

[@Flack55]

I wish the RDS mounting holes were on the front rather than the rear of the ACOG- would make for easier passive NV (if someone chose to go against DJ and do that ;))

[@EzraLopezUSPSA]

@@Flack55 The TA02 model mounts the red dot in front

[@coletam]

​@@Flack55 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6PIe3eamqadmtU

[@jasoningersoll7315]

As a firearms instructor myself, this may be the freshest, best rifle perspective I've heard in the last 5 years easily. Well done.

[@silvermediastudio]

Do you instruct your students to be more upright, with their head up, when there may be rounds incoming? Sounds like some Tier 1 DEVGRU advice that we all need to share!

[@jasoningersoll7315]

Our focus is on having a consistent stock weld with your face so you aren't creating parallax by shifting where your eye is in relation to the rear aperture.

[@silvermediastudio]

@@jasoningersoll7315 What!? That's not what TIER 1 DEVGRU guys would do.... when you're using cover and shooting, or peeking around a corner, there's NOTHING MORE TACTICAL than a HIGH mount, and having your head up and out as far as possible so you can really see what's going on, maintaining situational awareness!!!

[@jasoningersoll7315]

@@silvermediastudio I'm also training LEO'S that have to use flip up iron sights. Different theater, different setup

[@silvermediastudio]

@@jasoningersoll7315 Good luck using flip up irons with the GBRS Hydra XD

[@Pr1zzm]

I love the lifelong learning attitude that most of these SF guys have. Just two humble badasses setting aside their ego to see different perspectives. Mad respect.

[@politicallyinsensitive4200]

It's almost back to where it would be if we'd have kept the carry handle. Almost like Eugene knew what the hell he was doing. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

Eugene Stoner gave the world a rifle a century too early to be fully appreciated. The thing penetrates most rifle rated armor, is lighter than any other intermediate rifle platform, insanely cheap and fast to machine, and yet also allows for modularity so you can screw up the rifle however you see fit. lol

[@CantoniaCustoms]

Yet 20 inch barrels aren't making a comeback....

[@ShastaBean]

9:14 - but now we call them "charging handle mounts".

[@ShortArmOfGod]

The carry handle is at the same height as standard red dot mounts.

[@jubjub905]

@@CantoniaCustomsThey havent YET lol. Would it really surprise you if they did?

[@islas357]

DJ makes a good point, that yeah not having a cheek weld because you’re mount is high might not be the best for shooting, but its the best for maintaining situational awareness and being able to process information quickly. The situational awareness is what keeps you alive, not marginally better shooting.

[@gansior4744]

I don't know what about you, but I can still see my peripherals and have a cheek weld

[@neneplays9980]

@@gansior4744 in all fairness you're taking an advice from someone that the government used to pay him to do what he's teaching you on a daily basis in a tier 1 unit. Go with what you feel comfortable with I guess, this video is for entertainment only. I guess for a regular dude to train for CQB and apply it is a far-fetched idea

[@joshuafreeman4459]

My biggest issue with this concept is, we don’t process a room and walk around looking thru our optic. So situational awareness is Arguably not really a thing inside your tube. What is a thing is, putting rounds in someone as fast and accurately as possible to end what they were doing that made you engage them, in the first place. I am not saying a cheekweld is 100% necessary. As this product is meant for a rattler or smaller PDW style gun. But i will say you will not find a lot of people shooting at 50 meters and out, with no cheekweld and the stock outside of your shoulder. The worlds top shooters definitely don’t shoot like that. Professional or tactical. Look at Kyle lamb, Defoor, pannone, even other seals

[@Sapper_Rage]

@@joshuafreeman4459 find what works for you. Lots of people do different things, use different accessories on their rifles, etc... don't base your identity off whatever tier 1 operator is cool today.

[@joshuafreeman4459]

@@Sapper_Rage I do hope you picked up that was kind of the entire point of what I said 🤔

[@joshshepherd5660]

After like 30 years of trying things...we finally accept that the freakin A2 with an aimpoint is the cats meow. It's definitely comfortable.

[@donjuan4925]

I run a 512 on top of a carry handle. People laugh at me, but that thing is truly chefs kiss 👌🏽

[@joshshepherd5660]

@donjuan4925 Right! I've got one set up with a comp m2. It's probably the same for the eotch but when I shoulder the rifle, I can do so in such a way that gives me perfect stability and control while INSTANTLY having the dot in front of my eye ready to shoot with zero extra head movements.

[@donjuan4925]

@@joshshepherd5660 exact same thing for me 🍻

[@065Tim]

It's all going in circles, we went from vertical grips to angled to none.

[@donjuan4925]

@@065Tim lol that's true although I like running a emissary hand stop on a quad rail. I got me the Centurion Arms C4 rail with a fsp

[@TexCen]

Can't thank these guys enough. Having been downrange, content like this just highlights how much higher of a level SF/SOF have been trained to. I am very thankful that these gents are willing to share their knowledge. They don't have to, they choose to. This information will benefit all those who care enough to apply it.

[@goldenrakelawncare6564]

I was a regular Army guy and the most helpful guys I ever worked with were all in SOCOM. They genuinely cared about teaching.

[@silvermediastudio]

Sorry but these guys are full of shit. Shouldering a weapon with low sights doesn't reduce your peripheral vision. And low sights are unnatural?? Did Glover never shoot a shotgun, M1 Garand, MP5? And height-over-bore is almost meaningless when you're shooting people with a rifle even at ten feet, at worst you're going to shoot them a few inches low? Middle of the chest instead of between the nipples? Mouth & nose instead of the T-box? Wow might as well just throw your hands up and quit.

[@josephbarard4172]

man check out DJ Shipley's Dad Don Shipley both retired NAVY SEALS,and Don calls out all these PHONY NAVY SEALS check it out!

[@ErikLong-s3g]

Much respect for D.J. and his Father. Learning a lot from being able to watch and listen to these guys online. Thank you Mike and D.J. for the videos.

[@kinch613]

Whats old is new again. I used to be a closer to the bore for maximum efficiency of the optic in ranges. But with CQB we dont need that because we arent dialing. Love this stuff fellas. Keep it coming.

[@DeltaZuluActual]

Huh

[@ThePatriotParadox]

1.93" is simply the overall height of the mount and your RDS center line. So 1.93 inches from the pic rail to the dot in your optic... Then most uppers, from center of your bore to the top of the pic rail is 1.21. (all together a RDS on a 1.93 mount will be 3.14" TOTAL HIEGHT OVER BORE)

[@davesobani9565]

Everything comes back to Phi

[@WDLC1911]

@@davesobani9565, Pi

[@mr.mikesart7111]

I was trained on the old high sights in tge 90s. But hunting practices and pressure of guides to shoot further and further git me trying to get as close to bore as possible. But this information is an eye opener for defensive situations. Thank you so much

[@karlwest2268]

Also noticed the optic at the front of the reciever vs back. Moving the red dot away from the eye allows for a wider field if vision.

[@jonathanlee5314]

Holy shit DJ has a phenomenal ability to explain and teach. Appreciate Mike's experience too, as always.

[@WeNeedChange3310]

Awesome video, Mike. DJ is a bad ass and is a very knowledgeable dude.

[@mrapp8918]

DJS - the ultimate Quiet Professional. Respect! 💪

[@THEchefdoggy]

Would be cool to see a breakdown of different viable options to set the zero at for different heights.

[@Donjuan51]

Google ballistic calculator and set it up yourself. It can be very enlightening

[@stevef4930]

That would also have to factor barrel length and ammunition brand/grain

[@tylerreis7627]

There’s this thing called google

[@stevef4930]

@@tylerreis7627 really helped him out with that comment. Awesome input!

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@stevef4930 that’s what I love about KZbin comments - that spirit of helping out the community.

[@nebick27]

I run an acog with a top mounted red dot. I chose it ultimately for when running a gas mask as I found a traditional height sight made for impossible head angles to see through. With an increased height I can use my red dot in a similar manner where I can just pull it up and look down the sight.

[@winnietheflu4633]

Gas mask shooting sucks lol

[@rangerlineman]

GBRS, you guys are some of the best training instructors along with Mike as well and field craft is awesome as well keep up the informative info! Amazing stuff

[@JohnVeritas]

Forgetting the KEY feature which is lower to bore = LESS delineation at different range targets. If you bore sight to 100m the difference ½-1½ inch in height can put your shots possibly 2-3 feet below a target at 200+ meters away. We need an optic that puts the aim line of sight closer to the bore and we can use mirrors to bring the aim point higher with your eyeball.

[@Wile_E._Wolf]

This. I deployed with Australian SOF to Afghanistan twice and this was always our opinion when it came to the topic. Not saying I'm anywhere near the experience and level of either DJ or Mike and I'm sure that they're well aware of the principle, but if most of your engagements are at varying distances I'd much prefer my sight lower to bore. I'd imagine DEVGRU have a lot more of their focus on short distances in and around structures, but our Regiment fulfilled a rotational domestic CTU capacity with a heavy focus on CQB and we still preferred sights lower to bore. Comes down to preference I guess, works for these guys but I agree with what you're saying completely

[@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168]

Agreed. New gimmicks pop up every month, next time we'll see another ultimate solution.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

I've always used a red dot mounted on top of a scope and what I do is zero the red dot parallel to the scope. You always know the POI will be under the red dot which is intuitive, and it ensures whatever you aim with the dot, you can drop your head and have the scope FOV on target instantly. Essentially you have the same holdover as shooting with your laser so there isn't any learning involved.

[@ryan370]

That's why you don't sight it in perfect at 100yds. You sight it in so that you're impacting low. You can put an optic 1ft over bore if you really wanted. Then you sight it so that you impact 1ft low at 100yds. Then you hold 1ft higher than you normally would for ALL shots. That holds true out to any distance. You dial your elevation exactly the same as you would with a normal sight, then hold 1ft high at 800yds or 100yds and you'll be on target. Obviously holding 1ft qould be annoying, but holding an inch is no big deal

[@Wile_E._Wolf]

@@ryan370 your comment is confusing, that's not how sighting works... Point of impact at 100yds with a 1ft hold-over does not equal point of impact at 800yds with a 1ft hold-over. You have a rising and falling zero with any range where point of aim = point of impact, but aside from those two zeros your point of impact will fluctuate depending on your zero distance.

[@LionheartSJZ]

If you go for this kind of setup you hopefully never end up in a situation where you have to get prone and fight an enemy who's shooting at you from 100+ yards away... It all depends on what kind of scenario you built your rifle for. Full co-witness or lower 1/3 co-witness to me is still the most versatile. I may loose a little bit of situational awareness but I can still blast somebody at 7 yards, but I can also take precise shots at 300 yards from prone without my head sticking out like a perfect target.

[@fog8969]

That Unity Tactical FAST Riser they're running has a built-in rear iron sight to use with an A2 sight post or a Magpul flip-up front sight.

[@josepauloore7278]

An offset aimpoint, red dot or Irons offer an easy fix. Might not be as precise compared to using your optics but still works.

[@odasmith1215]

Prone? This is 100% from 100m and in hell maybe closer than that and its def meant for CQB no one gets in the prone anymore Firefights in afghanistan we were usually in the kneeling position in waddies or standing with C&C our DMRs were in the prone

[@overnightthoughts]

I just love that the same guys that used to harp about cheek weld are now running towers under their sights.

[@spartanlukas]

I love the fact that the first Unit guys to use a red dot on top of a carry handle is about the same height as the new mounts high above the bore. We've come full circle and the original Unit guys were right in the early 90s!

[@HK-wq1ei]

@@davidjob4909 he's talking about the Unit CAR-15s, Colt 723 etc. which had non-removable carry handle uppers.

[@chrisforeman4323]

Was thinking about changing to a high rise mount. This video convinced me to complete the upgrade. I am a tall, large framed guy, and head down has always been a struggle for me. Excited that the industry is finally adopting the high mount setup.

[@jackieonassis7438]

I don't know that the "industry" is doing it so much as independent accessory manufacturers are facilitating this with mounts and that is great.

[@Sapper_Rage]

Go with a high rise, you'll love it. I'm not too tall at 6"1 but it's so much nicer than a lower 1/3/ absolute cowitness.

[@TreeCraftbyAndrew]

As someone who just got their first AR - with a red dot - I can’t say thanks enough for talking about this! 🙏🙏🙏

[@alanhillman7247]

Every video is a masterclass in modern shooting or survival. Such clear explanation and function. Thank you!

[@infantryman7139]

This is great stuff, I learned this as an infantryman in the advanced rifle marksmanship instructor course at fort drum in 2014. But that was more than half way through my infantry career. Definitely should be teaching this down to the war fighter level.

[@hcdtactical]

Heads up also opens up your ability to move naturally. It’s definitely a game changer for both handguns and rifle.

[@silvermediastudio]

Yeah, it's a great idea to keep your head up and body upright when there might be rounds incoming. These guys have unlocked the cheat code.

[@Stormkryptonian]

It's crazy how this height over bore knowledge is also talked about in military scifi books. I actually heard about this concept years ago in a military scifi book written by ex military.

[@T_D_B_]

What book?

[@Stormkryptonian]

@@T_D_B_ I believe "Dark operator" in the galaxy's edge series. It's on kindle

[@mikehancho5286]

Almost all scifi has guns with the optic way above the bore. PRetty soon there will be a fiberoptic camera 1/16" above the barrel with an optic display 3 inches or what ever above the barrel.

[@Vex916T]

It's probably because the military soldiers in the Secret Space Program aka Super Soldiers have been using high rise optics for decades long before they were released to regular military and the public at large.

[@planetcaravan2925]

So you mean aliens taught this to us?

[@69mjar]

I think anyone who has any kind of training with any type of red dot gets trained day one on what offset they're dealing with whatever weapons system they have. I love the explanation of situational awareness with keeping your body upright in CQB environment.

[@pewpewpro3309]

The GBRS dudes are just solid. Phenomenal instruction delivered with humility and professionalism.

[@BrassAngels]

If Master DJ is speaking, I am beyond listening. This dude has lived a life of dreams & legends!

[@chadhaire1711]

Sure fan boy......

[@BrassAngels]

@@chadhaire1711 awe did u get rejected

[@geraldwest3428]

Excellent content! This made me think of a friends setup where he mounted his red dot on his mounted ole school carry handle giving him this similar heads up relief. Thanks man!

[@adtemporary69]

I love how there is so much respect and raptor between you guys. Y’all’s. Ol labs are amazing.

[@ebitdareadthebook1535]

DJ is always dropping knowledge

[@mikespectre4153]

And transferring it!

[@AgrippaKCsGunTime]

I run MP5 with original HK optic mount. I learned to love it for all the reasons you mentioned. also, makes it easier to use while wearing a gas mask.

[@debbiehitt6553]

U run a make believe...HK MP5 run $5k plus along with a lengthy wait/background so..... I'd rather have SBR or a short CQB😅

[@debbiehitt6553]

Looking thru inventory and cheapest is $1940 plus C2-3 stamps and...they shoot terrible but the MP7 is Superb Good Luck Bub

[@jbrujones]

1:55 blew my mind. forgive me but, sometimes I wonder about folks pushing tactical knowledge but that was pretty OG.

[@rumtumtugger]

5:05 It's crazy that DJ says he's a much better shooter now, makes you wonder how vast the room for improvement is.

[@posthawk1393]

"Much better" for experts is often an incremental amount for novices and intermediates. Experts and professionals are hyper sensitive to any changes, and often appreciate even the smallest improvements because that's what they're "aiming" for.

[@065Tim]

Well, he sells really high mounts so might have something to do with that also...

[@Warvvolf]

Thanks, glad I didn't waste money going through mounts and just went with a carry handle that can take an optic. And this information is appreciated, thanks.

[@johnmacri7440]

DJ is awesome. You guys are great together

[@josephtucciarone6878]

Thank you sir. I was going to get the low AIMS mount, but not now, for my AR-15 & TS 12 Tavor.

[@jayfig78]

Love these fundamentals! I’ve also noticed that there’s more of a stress response when you’re leaning forward verses standing straight up. And that has to factor into your technique in some ways. If not just that, I would also link it to just overall luck. I’m a firm believer that less stress equals more luck. In a gun fight, it could make the difference.

[@danielgriffiths5901]

It's funny - in sports like basketball or football where the biomechanics are very gross, large movements, there aren't as many parallels. But, I'm a classical pianist and I find that the effect of the time-under-tension thing with fine motor skills is so similar between piano and shooting.

[@gnobel]

4:32 - "That's what she said" 😂 Mike & DJ are great !

[@bryanmcdermott4204]

This is extremely useful. Thank you for sharing.

[@RAKKAR7]

Love this! GBRS and FIELDCRAFT are HELPFUL as F.

[@DB-cu4hn]

Still feel like a lower third is the best for a combination of situational awareness, cheek weld, and hold overs. Maybe not the best at one particular thing but the best overall.

[@M3thodbombz]

Give it 10 - 20 years and somehow we’ll circle back to why lower mounts are better lol. I’m not stating that they are, I’m just predicting what the industry is going to do lol

[@poibbn]

​@@M3thodbombzso accurate. These mega high mounts are a joke, just what's tacticool right now

[@paulyp9853]

I have to disagree. We have a ton of options right now and the shooter gets to choose. I am much more comfortable with a higher mount. I have had tried enough of both and its not close in my opinion. Head straight up shooting on 2.26 RDS is much better than 1.54. Its all about the individual. Cant box it all into one neat package.

[@paulyp9853]

@@poibbn Just silly.

[@incognito1409]

Solid video, love it. Very well explained, rationale is spot on.

[@Johnyrocket70]

Should of mentioned that for operator's this is good information. But for people at home without body armor, night vision, or lasers those are made to see over, they don't need a sight that high to defend their home or have fun at the range. Most people aren't going to train enough to master it. Knowing your sight over bore is important information for sure.

[@HomerEscobar1]

I would argue it is more important (situational awareness) in home defense scenarios, another benefit of the unity mount height (ime) is your earpro doesn't touch the stock. I prefer to put the earpro on before running down the hall, dont know about your ears but mine are smoked and 2 rounds unsupressed inside a building with 556 will drop me.

[@savedforever1]

100%%

[@scottbenedict5144]

@@HomerEscobar1 so, in a home defense situation, the first thing you go for is your earpro?

[@HomerEscobar1]

​@scottbenedict5144 Nope, the first thing is boots, you can't run out to the calf barn to kill a bear or mountain lion with out shoes on your feet

[@ltwilliamsjonathanrussell8941]

Hands off my bank. I'm having DJ. Uh, definitely, the more and more I. Watch and listen to him but we're more. I want to listen more

[@jeremyshackleford3058]

It’s funny how when plates and armor first came out this was taught, early 2000s. Then it was wrong and we should blade off more like a fighting stance. Now we are back to this. What is old is new. What is new is old.

[@jivy_league9855]

Hey your optic is on right this time

[@SHREADMETAL]

I’ve been taking notes since this guy hit the Internet

[@scoutsniper762]

This has always made sense to me especially with the interceptor body armor and if you were wearing a chest rig over it which creates this dead space if you will between your shoulder and the butt stock of a M4. Placement could be off when presenting the rifle from low or high ready if the mount height on the optic is low and the body would want to naturally lean forward and the head would want to tilt down to get that sight picture and if you wearing nods and your helmet tilted forward or the harness loosened up after hours of training your nods would hit the buffer tube when going through the shoot house.

[@swimssnakeyadventures9127]

Always love checking in and learning with tactical Doug Benson lol! Thanks for the info though guys, much to consider here.

[@jb76489]

Glad to see somebody mounted mikes optic the right way round this time. Maybe DJ can help him get over his fear of dry firing too

[@mikespectre4153]

"I did it on purpose to get eNgAgMeNt with the video" 🤣

[@kalanipitmon7817]

Maybe at the end of all this he'll be carrying sum jacketed hollow points. Maybe.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

I honestly wouldn't risk dry firing with 4 inches 😏

[@EdwardSnortin]

Which video was it mounted wrong on? I gotta see this lol

[@jb76489]

@@EdwardSnortin kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnS9ZmV9jreCrrc Homeboy and his social media manager tried to play it off as being intentional

[@davidpurcell86]

Love the Panerai Submersible Marina Militare Carbotech he's wearing. THAT is a sick watch.

[@Danefrak]

Oh DJ of GBRS. Just who I want to hear talk about height over bore.

[@DiegoDiSanto-ci5bs]

Specific tips to achieve significant improvements. Thank you Mr Shipley.

[@johnbicknell8512]

I always like tips from those who have been there and done that. Best training in the world .

[@Esper320]

Goobers and Fed Glover crossovers are always amusing.

[@diver20671]

Yet here you are...fkn muppet.

[@julian-estrada]

Hit the nail right on the head

[@andyprice4696]

Every time I listen to DJ talk, he says something I never thought about because of situations I’ve never been in. Really have picked up a lot of useful information from GBRS.

[@johnviera3884]

For all you guys that mostly shoot an AR at 5-15 yards this is essential. I don’t know how we ever got by before this.

[@chandlerfrog09173]

He made so much sense. Thank you . Awesome work gents.

[@tylerfecho4454]

I have long features, neck, head. Low mounts are super uncomfortable for me. Rifles with a stock that's lower than the barrel have always been more comfortable for me to shoot. Rifles with the stock inline with the barrel like the ar15 I find myself crunching into. 1.93 and up mounts help me out a lot with that issue on ar15s.

[@dylankaylor842]

Same. Long neck really makes it hard even being able to see through certain optics.

[@brianshaw5796]

I made the switch and very hesitant on doing so, but I'm so glad I did! If feels very natural to me and more comfortable.

[@ssarkees]

A SWAT buddy of mine taught me to place the but-stock into my collarbone the same way. Took a little bit to get use to it, but now I am pretty comfortable and my isn't doesn't "bow".

[@StrollaLawDefense]

Non verbal communication and spatial awareness are so vital in CQB! The only folks not on the “Height over bore” philosophy are those who have never shot from it while training CQB or room clearing.

[@silvermediastudio]

So if you shoulder a shotgun, M1 Garand, or AK... it cuts down your spatial awareness? What about an MP5, the "ultimate" CQB weapon?

[@StrollaLawDefense]

@@silvermediastudio if you are doing CQB with a shotgun, M1 Garand or an AK, you got bigger problems to deal with. Lol. And I would argue that the MP5 is not the ultimate CQB weapon any longer. Remember, CQB is defined as out to 200 yards. Good luck with your MP5.

[@silvermediastudio]

@@StrollaLawDefense You didn't even answer the question, and then made some absurd claims about the viability of weapons that have been used in CQB since the 1940s. Definitely wouldn't want you as an attorney, can't even stay on topic let alone form a coherent, logical argument.

[@StrollaLawDefense]

@@silvermediastudio that’s OK, based on your triggered reply, you probably couldn’t afford my legal retainer.

[@silvermediastudio]

@@StrollaLawDefense Non sequitur comment 🤣 you aren't helping yourself.

[@shadoweng15]

Outstanding gentlemen. Eye-opening. Practical. Practicality over trendy,Gucci.

[@XSV15]

Thank you for confirming 4 inches is big guys. I’ll be showing this video to my wife ASAP!

[@DL-mn7co]

Hey guys, great video. I really love the videos from you pros, the Way y’all explain these topics comes across like the only thing better would be actually taking classes from ya”ll ! absolutely love & appreciate the level of professionalism , respect & transfer of knowledge. I should’ve started this out with thank you , thank you for your service to our country. Thank you for the sacrifices that you and your families were under and may still be under. for me and my family we do not take y’all for granted , every single one. I pray that God’s may richly bless you and your families . please keep all the videos coming,

[@billydanzz]

Question from a guy who's never done it.... If in a CQB situation where you would have to make a quick height over bore calculation, and the targets are already aware of your presence; why not just hit the vis laser at that point to make the shot?

[@f.t.c5973]

Throw a ball at a target 10m away and tell me how long it took you to calculate your angle, you shoot as much as they do, you just know where to shoot, dj himself says the best he can explain how he does it is " just aim a little high" " how high? " " Idk just a little high, whatever feels right"

[@f.t.c5973]

That analogy might not be perfect but you get the point

[@jacksonmarshallkramer5087]

The body position and presenting plates vs presenting bare upper chest is something that no one but elite CQB practitioners would even think about.

[@jansvoboda4293]

It's disappointing, that trade-offs are not mentioned. For example, shooting over obstacle - either one you need to raise over or you use as cover. Also I wonder how shooting prone works with a very high mount. Usually you want to balance pros and cons for several contexts unless you are seeking tool for one particular situation.

[@mrtaylorhelm]

Not to mention holds. I keep seeing dudes shooting over targets at 100yrds because they don't know their holds with the high mount.

[@lovetopew9054]

Shhh... he's got risers to sell.

[@danielreyes7297]

Great stuff as usual. Thanks for sharing a professionals viewpoint and thinking

[@OdysseusCentral]

That you for confirming that 4 inches is a lot! But what’s the ideal zero?

[@Bsquared1972]

I myself prefer the 35-yard zero (Shawn Ryan does a great vid on it), but if not that I would choose the 50/200 zero. Once my zero is set, then I practice at 10 yards to see the height over bore adjustment I need to make. (Observe point of aim/point of impact difference) Then you just remember it. One thing I haven't quit mastered is the laser zero; need to read up on that.

[@robhtp3817]

Awesome video, thanks for the education and THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!

[@gregieldanoire]

After the CEO incident, I've started to notice the "gay easter eggs" that all these BRCC tough guys are constantly dropping in all their videos

[@yeahboiiiiiiii]

thanks mike, i had no idea you were special operations until you told us for the millionth time

[@Kgoutdoor]

I wasn’t going to put a 510c on my AK. Because of the height over bore with the rs regulate but this video changed my mind. I almost canceled my order for the optic mount. Thanks for this. I’d rather learn and understand height over bore and be able to get to my line of sight quicker.

[@415jokr]

I bet Slade could explain this.

[@Matt_Wilson01]

Stop it, you have no idea what went down between those guys so take your high school drama out of here ya flop

[@415jokr]

@@Matt_Wilson01 it was made clear that Slade designed one like this before it came out from GBRS.

[@adrianc8664]

9:48 - life saving for anyone who watched, including foreign adversaries.

[@joshmajor8662]

GBRS Group, why aren't you making an affordable riser yet!???? "Certain other companies" are ripping people off daily, I'm a machinist. You could build a 1.93-2.00 riser out of aluminum with a steel locking side for less than $10 bucks in material. Time and effort you'd be looking at $20-$30 bucks invested, charge $60-$75 and take over the market!!! Have you done this and I've only seen the night vision riser??

[@brianrich7828]

You should build them and sell them.

[@samgoral4]

They’re selling them to the government, once you have a government contract you can’t sell to the public for less of a price.

[@DZ4295DBW]

It's not the material, it's the labor and scale that's the issue. However, there are others on the market that do a similar function differently and not nearly as high. However, 99.99999999999% of people do not need it, even with NODs/ProMasks.

[@beardly0121]

@@DZ4295DBW its nice when shooting with electronic ear pro. I have a unity riser and even though I don't shoot with nods or gas masks or anything I really, really like it. I'd like to try the Scalarworks 1.93 options at some point but that'll probably be on a different rifle.

[@samgoral4]

@@beardly0121 I think DD is referring to the gbrs patent mount for the dot and the little ledge for your laser thing

[@ghernandez6457]

Just got me a Scalarworks 1.93 inch mount for my cheapo Slx-25 and pvs-7 300blk poor man's setup. Boy night and day I feel very confident about passive shooting now.

[@daryljohnson3626]

“why an elevated red dot is better, because I have risers that I am selling!! The proven way is now terrible! Give me your money!!!” 🤦‍♂️ sheisters

[@aaronr7942]

You clearly missed everything he said. Higher mount was “old proven”, higher is better for both night vision equip and body armor. Higher is faster in transitioning between weapons. Higher is better for getting hit with rounds in the body armor instead of neck. But what would he know?

[@MrMjm4shrt]

This is just another tool to try out for you and to see if it works. Good video

[@tomjjackson21]

Ffs, c'mon bois... This is a perfect example of how COD, Social Media, has distorted our perception. You're not the only prior TEAM guy in chat , so my opinion isn't based in ignorance and conjecture. I swear to God it's as if 99% of those that have ran a 1.93++, have never shouldered a rifle while kneeling, prone, etc. I think it looks Gucci, and I ran it fot s few classes, but I'm incapable of justifying a 2inch + mount, for that extremely niche CQB circumstance. You're handicapping yourself in literally every feasible aspect, excluding the one, 25yrds and in, ftf, cqb contact. At that point I'd prefer a pistol. This is a fad, that only excells in a single circumstance, for the sake of comfort. It's dumb, and within 5 years this fad will die. But hey, I'd totally take advantage of the market while I can as well, but you're grimy af for pretending that this is a preferred configuration.

[@julian-estrada]

Damn bro. Spitting facts. Hell ya

[@Excalibur01]

I've been using a fixed carry handle with the Aimpoint Pro on it and it's served me well. I like the height of it. My other rifle also has a higher unity mount. Keeps the head up

[@MrCashewkitty]

Why don't any of these dudes shoot professionally. I mean you think they want to prove their concepts. Especially since ALL of the best shooters in the world are doing something quite different

[@m4e1supremacy]

theyre afraid that the reputation of being in sPeCiAl OpErAtIoNs or TeAmS will hold them to a higher standard, and if they can't beat some normal civilian then the internet will stop hyping their products.

[@jacemiddleton3053]

I’d love to learn from these guys directly. Such a wealth of knowledge. I love that DJ is never fuckin around lol everything is serious. Because every detail matters. I appreciate that

[@mewnbewst2v]

That's why I love my Eotech. 36yd zero with the dot and the bottom of the ring is dead nuts at 7yds

[@user-zo7rg9nh9j]

DJ, Mike, and Cole (not in video) are some pretty awesome dudes.

[@ce6654]

So, I've started adopting the whole idea too, of the HOB concept after I built a copy of a CAR-15 in that Gary Gordon style and realized that it had a pretty nice heads-up. I still am not a total fan of the GBRS Hydra. I feel like it puts it just a tad too high for me. Now, yes, I can always train and always learn my platform, but I think it's important to find that sweet spot where you feel comfortable. So, that's usually why I go with Unity mounts. They're amazing and I love them!

[@thomaswhite2802]

That 4” answered a lot for me! 4” off is a lot at CQB!

[@legionnaireguerra7511]

Should you train as you fight? With body armor, helmet and so on, or train comfy with regular clothing like shown in video?

[@CanadianDad73]

DJ is awesome! Thanks for sharing this pro tip.

[@Msalski]

I'm star struck! 2 of the baddest men on the planet

[@kirkgaboury4305]

I always used an aim point or an acog sitting on a detachable carry handle. I found the added height eliminated the possibility of the stock or buffer tube from pushing my ear protection up off position.

[@AIONmogwai]

All valid points. However having the optic so high would it not increase the trouble shooting tightly around corners or other objects? Also to then get the barrel to clear said objects as you peek, would you not have to lean/expose more of your head and body to do so? Is it really worth the trade off?