Helio Castroneves's Edmonton Meltdown

[@BMK500]

I’ll give credit to Helio for having the presence of mind to tell them he didn’t have anything smart to say

[@bartsullivan4866]

I could never be that calm I would be saying BULLSHIT so loud on camera or some other more colorful words my fine would have reached the 100,000 mark in about 5 seconds. Helio to his credit kept his cool when he had every right to tell those reporters to F off.

[@brianeast9081]

One of many reasons why Brian Barnhart should not be within 1000 miles of any race control building at any time

[@danielhenderson8316]

Shockingly, he’s calling strategy for Alexander Rossi at Andretti Autosport right now. The part I always found funny is that Barnhart is the same guy that took Helio’s Edmonton win but gifted him the 02 Indy 500 when Paul Tracy was in front of Helio when the yellow came out.

[@andrewmeadows2596]

Could be worse it could have been Micheal Massi

[@mikulitsi1819]

Could you give other examples? I know about that oval restart in wet conditions but other than that... I'm relatively new fan so I probably don't know 75% of the controversial situations

[@potatogirlcultist19]

@@andrewmeadows2596 Sorry but this is way worse than the Massive. Okay, perhaps he should have followed the Safety Car procedure, but Mercedes had 23 seconds to pit Lewis and they didn't. So they were to blame for their loss, as 23 seconds is plenty of time as they were under Safety Car speed. Here, Helio just gets penalized pretty much driving in a straight line. He did absolutely nothing wrong here and really couldn't have done anything more if he tried.

[@halkieria7581]

​@@andrewmeadows2596Michael Masi did nothing wrong

[@BadWallaby]

MAN this is the INDY car I always loved as a kid, the AIRPOT style or large open road courses or even the larger roval stuff. I'm def getting Edmonton on RF2 after this video haha

[@danielhenderson8316]

The great thing about Airport circuits like this and Burke Lakefront in Cleveland is you have a large area for a road course, but you can see the whole track just like you can most ovals. Sadly, both Edmonton and Burke Lakefront are closed.

[@BadWallaby]

@@danielhenderson8316 Cleveland GP is my favorite AMS2 circuit!

[@danielhenderson8316]

If you ever want to do an update to this video, during the preshow of the next race at Mid Ohio, the Versus announcers explained (and showed) that for some bizarre rule on road courses, the leader does not get the apex of the corner if he’s fighting the car behind him. It also led to some of the most bizarre backassward racing where everyone was too scared to take the apex afraid they’d get dinged for “blocking.”

[@Demise90Racing]

Yeah, some folks have taught me more about the rule, that I wasn't even aware of, or couldn't even remember. One thing is for sure though, it seems everyone can agree it's stupid.

[@danielhenderson8316]

It might have been a Champ Car race, but one week they showed up to a track and there was a line painted in the middle of every corner so the drivers would “block.”

[@WeebGilroy]

​@@alias19 it's not. They could of course apex the corner. They weren't allowed to take the inside line/ deviate from the racing line to defend the position. It was a dumb wishy washy rule, but it existed and this video seems poorly informed

[@Icehammer97]

The rule for that course was specifically the lead car had to be to the outside of the yellow line and Helio clearly wasn’t. Stupid rule or not Helio clearly broke it and was rightly penalized.

[@ltjjenkins]

Crazy. You are allowed to choose your line once if you are clear the second move if challenged is illegal. Listening NASCAR? Or you gonna let 'em right hook til death?

[@ericmarchesini4883]

I gotta say this but INDYCAR FLAT OUT SCREWED HELIO OVER THIS “BLOCKING” PENALTY. I didn’t follow INDYCAR back in 2010 but I’ve seen clips on KZbin and want to see if Helio Castroneves actually blocked Will Power and I saw it out my 2 eyes with at least solid 20/20 vision and I didn’t see any blocking and Helio proactively defended Power and they were racing hard for the win and I don’t blame Helio for being pissed because they flat out screw him over by their inconsistency from race control. I am glad that Brian Barnhart and Randy Bernard don’t run the series anymore due to lack of their consistency. At least Helio got redemption at Kentucky and Motegi the same year (2010) but in the month of September but I am glad that he got actual redemption at Edmonton for real in 2012 despite holding off Takuma Sato for the win. Nonetheless great video man 👍

[@danielhenderson8316]

Brian Barnhart was a leftover Tony George nuthugger that Randy Bernard inherited after the Hulman-George Family fired Tony George. At this time, Randy Bernard had to run everything by himself and was able to get IndyCar back to making a small profit, but when he wanted to hire assistants who knew racing better than he did, he was told “No.” As usual, when Randy was replaced by Mark Miles, Miles said he needed all of those positions Randy wanted and the board approved all of them. Although as soon as Randy had a replacement, he fired Barnhart the next year. That was a rough time in IndyCar, but Randy Bernard didn’t get enough credit for directing IndyCar into it’s current success.

[@KellieLeigh48]

Yet another bomb of a video from Demise! I remember this one well. I can't say I blame Helio at all honestly. This was robbery

[@Demise90Racing]

Thank you! Absolutely. One of the dumbest rules to ever exist in racing.

[@bartsullivan4866]

Reminded me of the Steelers Seahawks Superbowl it was that bad. Talk about bad calls.

[@FrothingFanboy]

I loved this track, watching race cars barrel down a massive runway. :D It was the northernmost Indycar race, and (if my brief research is correct) second northernmost major open wheel series race after Formula One's Swedish Grand Prix (with the British Grand Prix at Aintree just a hair below it in third).

[@Demise90Racing]

I love the airport tracks, especially Cleveland from back in the day. It's cool IndyCar is still racing on a track like that to this day in St. Petersburg which is unique in its own right, being a street course with a runway.

[@bartsullivan4866]

Didn't Cleveland have an airport course similar to this. It did look like a blast to drive and watch on TV.

[@DiscGolfLeagueMVP]

@@bartsullivan4866 They did! It's on Automobilista 2 and it's swiftly become one of my favourite tracks to race, so much space to fight and you can carry some incredible speed through the corners. It's a test of pure wheel to wheel skill because there's only a couple big braking zones so the rest of the lap has that oval racing type high speed chess feel to it.

[@bartsullivan4866]

Thanks for posting. Talk about a terrible call near the end. It seems like this era had so many awesome drivers in their prime. It was calls like that where Indycar couldn't get out of its own way.

[@Demise90Racing]

No problem Bart. Glad you enjoyed it. It's so true. The terrible calls around this era are crazy.

[@anthonynewell2151]

Wow. Somehow never saw any of this when it happened or thru the years. Good pick. Really enjoy the way you mix these old races up with the broadcast and your commentary.

[@Demise90Racing]

Thanks John. Glad you got to see this and I'm glad you enjoy the videos.

[@izzieb]

Brian Barmhart's bad decisions can basically produce content for you for years!

[@Demise90Racing]

Lmao no doubt about that.

[@jackharle1251]

That's why you don't take a guy from bull-riding to run Indy drivers. Just ask Dan Wheldon. Oops, guess we can't.

[@cracklecracklebaybay5612]

Paul Tracy really missed a huge opportunity never hopping to NASCAR. The dude is just like Jimmy Spencer. 🤣

[@megabutters9144]

He was supposed to race for RCR full time in 2004. But nothing happened from it.

[@Demise90Racing]

He really did lol. Ran 6 Xfinity races, and a truck race but that's it. Wish we saw more of PT in Nascar.

[@caleykruse9852]

He ran some xfinity races and was terrible

[@mikulitsi1819]

I remember seeing a video of this restart last year or two years ago and like... I still can't believe. I've understood that blocking rule is for what would be called weaving in Europe right? There was no contact and Helio didn't force Will off the track (because the track limit was the wall haha) And there was no late defensive move on the straight or any weaving... Fucking shocking idk how that decision was ever made

[@mikulitsi1819]

@@3338MAN was he always this bad?

[@philmaster1674]

For me, that is not even hard Racing. That is just good Racing, thats what every fan wants to see, a good battle for the lead

[@Demise90Racing]

I couldn't agree more! Especially in the closing laps of the race.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

I don’t remember if this is true, but this *might* be the first race I ever watched. I remember watching the 2010 Brickyard 400 at someone else’s house on the DIRECTV HotPass. After McMurray won, I remember seeing a Scott Dixon win. That’s all I remember, so I can’t really confirm if this is my very first IndyCar race I’ve watched. I watched a few other races. My first 500 was 2011, but my first season of watching the sport religiously was 2012.

[@Demise90Racing]

That's pretty awesome if this was indeed your very first Indy race.

[@ryancole7376]

That’s pretty cool. 2010 was the first year I began following most of the races. I had been a fan of the 500 and went to my first one in 2010

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

@@ryancole7376 sweet!

[@whoasked9500]

@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT funny enough I think either this race or an Edmonton race from this era might have also been the first race I ever watched

[@TylerBonenfant]

first indycar race i watched was las vegas 2011 :/

[@MalloryMinerva]

Nice timing to cover a race where Will Power started on poll the same day he got a record-tying poll position

[@MaunoKoivistoOfficial]

The blocking rules are fortunately much better these days. Much closer to the European standard of "one move allowed". Great recap as always.

[@chudox87]

What a bad era was the period between unification and Las Vegas 2011. Indy car is still recovering from this awful years.

[@danielhenderson8316]

I’d say it’s recovered and much healthier now. It’s not pre-split level, but this was the time where there was the least amount of money in the series from teams, sponsors, and IndyCar.

[@Demise90Racing]

I agree. The series now is the healthiest it's been in years though. It's to the point where Chevy and Honda may be maxed out of engine entries next year.

[@xSoccerxCorex]

@@danielhenderson8316 aka the recession, where even sponsors in nascar were looking for a way out. if reunification happened in 2003 like TG wanted, IC would've been way healthier. too bad he was an idiot in court and ended up keeping CART alive as CCWS

[@skyhigh6089]

Better said, has never recovered...

[@samnendze5640]

Late 2000s and early 2010s Indycar was WILD, and not in a good way

[@ChrisClark31415]

"Milka Duno has spun already" 😆🤣🤣🤣

[@BeauFiftyTwo]

So here's the thing... It was, by the rulebook, the correct call. This was something first brought in by Tony Cottman over in Champ Car, and made it's way to IndyCar after unification. The leading car was required to take the "racing line" at all times. Defending to the inside was not allowed. An overtaking car could, of course, take the inside line to attempt a pass. Helio going straight doesn't matter. The pre-determined "racing line" was to swing to the outside to open up the angle for optimum speed. The rule was stupid. But the call was actually correct for the rulebook at the time.

[@Demise90Racing]

Thanks for clarifying that up. It seems we can all agree on one thing though. The rule is stupid as hell lol.

[@BeauFiftyTwo]

@@Demise90Racing For sure!

[@simonkevnorris]

@@Demise90Racing It may be stupid but someone made it a rule and drivers (and teams) have to adhere to the rules at all times. They could have lobbied for the rule to be changed in the past so it would not be 'on the books'. I think such rules are usually added after some incident on track rather than just added for no reason.

[@slowspecv69]

@@simonkevnorris if your a racer you know how bullshit that rule is

[@skyhigh6089]

How come? If the track is that wide pretty much any line would do as a racing line...

[@djobe420]

A good race to look back on imo is the 2013 Sao Paulo Grand Prix. Basically a 4 car battle for the win that came down to the last turn.

[@Demise90Racing]

That race is definitely in the pipeline. As well as some other races from 2013.

[@djobe420]

Awesome, that's one of my all time favorites.

[@Posirep]

and Ironically...a race that Sato was allowed to just throw block after block without control giving 2 shits about it lol

[@ollieminecraft]

This is a certified motorsports bad call classic

[@hookee]

Love your videos mate, looking forward to the next one!

[@Demise90Racing]

Thanks Phil. I appreciate it 👍

[@SportzyCG]

92nd like and nice job getting 3k Also can u make a vid abt will powers loss because his car was over heated in 2021

[@Demise90Racing]

Hell yeah. Thank you. It's people like yourself that made it happen 👍

[@SportzyCG]

@@Demise90Racing if u can just a vid idea

[@SportzyCG]

@@Demise90Racing also plz make a twitch

[@Demise90Racing]

@@SportzyCG that is a great video idea that I may have overlooked.

[@anareel4562]

That Player's Forsythe livery brings me BACK

[@FinnegansDogHouse]

Players Racing never ran on this awful car. It's last year was 2003 and Forsythe racing ceased to be with the merger. It's a blue livery, but it's not Players nor Forsythe.

[@TimeOnTarget61]

Blocking rules at the time were strange. Driving standards had gotten substandard on road courses after the merger with the failed CART/Champcar series so Indycar had a rule prohibiting a driver from moving laterally under braking. Basically a driver had to “pick a lane” at the braking zone with no sideways movement. Especially paid attention to was the “Herta fade” where a driver sets up for a corner with a lane available on the outside of the corner then while braking gradually fades the car to the edge of the track to get a full outside to apex entry. The driver behind might be enticed to fill the gap under braking as find themself with quickly closing space and either have to make contact with the car in front usually resulting in an avoidable contact penalty or during off course and risk lost positions or a crash. Under this context Helios move further to the outside of entry in the braking zone after Power pulls to the outside is “technically” a violation of the letter of the rule. However, the whistle should have been swallowed here as it is clear his move doesn’t impede Power in any way with such a wide track and the spirit of the rule wasn’t violated.

[@bartsullivan4866]

He so did not try to block Will Power he left the outside open going into the turn what a buffoon call

[@kevinNagel1776]

We went to every Edmonton Grand Prix.. and I have a whole series of photos of Tony Kaanan’s cockpit Fire and subsequent EVACUATION.. our seats were close to the pit exit…

[@lonewolf2513]

The angriest you'll ever see Helio Castroneves

[@kg0173]

I always hated these cars, but now looking at them they actually look cool when compared to current sled..

[@Demise90Racing]

I actually like the current cars better then these. However, nothing will ever compare to the 90's CART cars.

[@kg0173]

@@Demise90Racing At first I liked them, but with the aeroscreen, doesn't look so good. 90's CART cars looked like real beasts with massive power. I also like 2000-2002 Dallara.

[@phildruk1306]

Actually in his post-race interview Will looked at the replay of the restart and told that this was clearly the blocking. Still hate Power for his whining

[@frankenoise]

I miss this track! In the stands one could see across the entire track because of how flat the area was. Sadly they got rid of this track, and airport, for a "revitalization" project... which still hasn't even been started!

[@warrenself]

The dark era of Indycar racing. Second worst call after PT was robbed at Indy in 2002 that I’ve seen.

[@ErwinsRTLFormule1herinneringen]

People should be reminded of the actions Brian Barnhart pulled detrimental to indycar before we toot his horn as a race strategist.

[@brandensimmons653]

The Edmonton screwJob

[@rjmidwest6911]

The penalty, fine and fact that Bernard even had the thought of suspension is what I dislike about IndyCar. I was there when Tagliani and PT threw down in pit lane, while champ car never explicitly said what they did was OK they also understood that people have emotions. IndyCar doesn't.

[@eduardogarcia732]

That was also the day of 2010 German Grand Prix, infamous know for the team radio "Fernando is faster then you". A day to Brazilians race fans to forget

[@Milton_Valenzuela]

Maybe that penalty was revenge for the 2002 Indy 500 LMAO

[@mramaz1ngarry728]

I remember this race. I also liked this track

[@itsmebatman]

I suppose he would have been angry even if he had done something wrong. But this kind of nonsense had to have been absolutely infuriating. I'm surprised they didn't overturn this ridiculous decision after the race.

[@skyhigh6089]

Didn't you hear? Not only it wasn't overturned, Helio was fined 60K and Barnhart considering banning him from some races.

[@Jonathan83X]

Wow, I had no idea Randy Bernard was thinking of suspending Castroneves over this. You know, before I thought he got a bit of a bad rap during his time in IndyCar, but not after hearing this. I mean, I consider this move even worse than the Vegas fiasco. At least Bernard had his heart in the right place and the idea sadly blew up in his face. But to even consider punishing a driver over a BS rule and calling them out for it? Yea, I'm glad Bernard is gone. He and Barnhart too. Both of them were really bad for the sport.

[@scottmcneely1927]

He should have involved Penske's army of attorneys in this case.

[@LauraRN713]

I miss Indycar racing like this lol

[@johnedwards230]

Never seen this. What a ridiculous call.

[@nicolesgaming8917]

Power actually did say that Castroneves blocked him, while also saying that he saw a black flag as kind of harsh.

[@ludotacx235]

Great video, loved the content

[@Demise90Racing]

Thank you Ludo. I appreciate it 👍

[@thepspman116]

wow..why did indy stop making the 20hr drive here lol too bad loved it when they raced right in the city. The skyline here has grown a lot since the last race here

[@renatatostada3318]

Lol. I've never seen this race before. Knew nothing about it. I was just as shocked as the announcers when Castroneves got handed a penalty there. That was gorgeous defending, wtf is the race director talking about "blocking"???

[@renatatostada3318]

Ugh replaying the move over and over again just makes me even more upset. Oh my goodness that's such perfect defending. So wonderful. I can't get over how good and, most importantly, *clean* of a defense that is.

[@Demise90Racing]

It was pretty brutal. But that's how the rules were written back then. Just horrible in every way. It makes zero logical sense that driving in a straight line is considered blocking.

[@chadwickstephens4843]

Between helio and power I dont know which has had the best melt downs, ah who am I kidding its power by a mile

[@Demise90Racing]

I would have to agree on that lmao

[@danielhenderson8316]

I’d give it to Helio. Will Power was smart enough not to grab a former state trooper that could break him like a twig.

[@Demise90Racing]

Was this the worst call in IndyCar history?

[@ericmarchesini4883]

Hands down yes

[@plisskenationbackfromthede3657]

Idk, new hampshire is up there. Plus will powers reaction was funnier 😆

[@ericmarchesini4883]

@@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 the double bird was awesome 😂

[@KellieLeigh48]

I'd say New Hampshire in the rain

[@danielhenderson8316]

This or the 02 Indy 500, but it will always be a Brian Barnhart call that wins.

[@rodneytod7141]

Elio won, Indycar officials need to visit an Optometrist.

[@Demise90Racing]

Everyone feels the same way as you Rodney.

[@Fabtp76]

They do it to us Brazilians. They did to Senna in 1989 in Japan and they did it to Hélio here.

[@skyhigh6089]

Totally different... Ayrton did it to himself, Helio was screwed over.

[@jamesriley9800]

The need to go back to Edmonton

[@ChrisClark31415]

Are you planning on doing one on Paul Tracy's meltdown in Montreal when his crew chief did not tell him he was about to run out of fuel?

[@Demise90Racing]

Eventually I want to do a whole video on Paul Tracy lol

[@ChrisClark31415]

@@Demise90Racing I seen to remember a time at a Mexico race where PT had half of one side of his wrong broken off and he went on to win or nearly win.

[@skyhigh6089]

There was enough room to race across the track.

[@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498]

Next,I'm going to Request for 104th INDY 500 On August 2020 (WithOut Audience because Closed Behind The Door) as Twice for Japanese Driver is Takuma Sato (2017 Andretti Racing team and 2020 Rahal Letterman Racing Team) after Scott Dixon Crash during Full Course Yellow and The Checkered Flag for the win in second time. (with HALO DEVICE)

[@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498]

Thanks.

[@Demise90Racing]

I will definitely consider that race for sure. I have a few good ones in the pipeline.

[@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498]

@@Demise90Racing maybe,If Takuma Sato Got TWICE for Indy 500 wins,this could be stay on track is better than last year.

[@Rearmostbean]

I forgot how great these engines sound. V6 don't make the same noise

[@DiscGolfLeagueMVP]

I'm fuming watching this lmao

[@thearsenalmisfit2414]

I was at this race and could not believe what had happened. First off ghe rule was made for narrow tracks where thers is not much room abd passing is hard but this was an airport with more room than any driver would ever know what to do with. So why was this rediculous rule even in effect at this race. Second , on the resrart Piwer almost immediately went to the outside for turn 1 this gave Helio no choise but to stay where he was. Had he moved left he would have either blocked Power or hit him so Helio couldn't move over. The officals didn't take this into account and stole the victory from Helio. I'm no fan of Helios but this rulibg was so patheticly wrong that I have never watched another indy race since, in person or on TV. I went to every race at the airport circuit to that point . I paied good money to see that race and they turned it in to shite show with that ruling. I also want to add that the rule was an absolutely stupid rule that has no bussiness being in auto racing. It penalised the driver leading the race and gives all the the advantage the driver behind. The driver leading earned the right to put his car where he wants going into the first turn and its up to the cars behind to figure out hiw to make the pass, nit fave yhe pass handed to them.

[@ltjjenkins]

Love the Brazilian emotion

[@sevach]

Indycar judging is something i'll never understand, bump someone out of the race= "just hard racing", nothing to see here. Holds the inside line, that's dirty i'll penalize him.

[@peekaboo1575]

Yeah, that was a bullshit call if I have ever seen one.

[@matthew-qj1vt]

My city ❤❤

[@heliogt1961]

wow thats such a stupid race control moment. gives me seb vettel vibes from canada.

[@dyslexicfurry]

Blocking lol thats racing... yeah I get why there is a rule for safty and so Paul Tracy can't like run everyone off the road but ignoring the fact he didn't even block who cares it was a safe run its not like Power had to swerve he just broke a little loose trying to make the pass stick.

[@silentbob3208]

Helio Castroneves won this race...period.

[@SuperBuzz71]

Brian Barnhart sucked so bad. I will never believe why he still has a place on the sport

[@Bobbarker23455]

Brian barnhart doesn't like Brazilians

[@treyblaze22]

That was a b@#$#@t call.

[@mikulitsi1819]

Just saw this clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5aQe2mCjNeiptE Based on that, yeah I guess the penalty is somewhat right BUT WTF IS THAT RULE. Thank god Indycar doesnt have as stupid rules anymore as they used to have

[@ElectoneGuy]

IndyCar has the worst bush-league officiating of any racing series on the planet and that continues to this day.

[@scottl.1568]

Whut

[@SportzyCG]

Just to let u know I may change my name to jayden something so if u see it that's mee but also if u ever feel depressed or anything just come and talk to me.

[@SportzyCG]

U never answered

[@jrehn82]

Helio deserved this after screwing tracy out of the 500. Deserved justice from IndyCar 100%

[@dxfifa]

The worst part of that race wasn't that, It was franchitti a lap down blocking Felipe Giaffone who was about to take the lead. Felipe would have had a massive boost to his career deservedly winning that race

[@jrehn82]

@@dxfifa I never heard of Felipe, I need to watch it again

[@kg0173]

@@dxfifa Agree. I also didn't like how Franchitti bocked him for Tracy. With that Giaffone would have cought Helio much faster than Tracy and most likely would have passed him before Lazier/Redon crash.

[@earlybirdearlybird1371]

Castroneves is a shi. guy

[@Dolek135]

Not more than you

[@WeebGilroy]

This video isn't very good. It completely omits the context of the blocking rules in place at the time. The blocking rules were bad but they existed and that would explain the reasoning behind the call. Don't misunderstand me - Brian Barnhardt sucked and never should have been race director.