Helio Gracie VS Yukio Kato (Technical Breakdown)

[@donaldduke2233]

Too bad the Gracies don't live up to their name GRACIE. They show no grace. I don't like dishonesty in the martial arts. Most Gracie fights ONLY take place under Gracie rules with mats cushioned like pillows so the Gracies won't get injured when they are slammed into the mat over and over again. READERS PLEASE CALL ME A LIAR AND RESEARCH THE FIGHTS IN AN EFFORT TO PROVE ME WRONG ! I IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK INTO WHAT I SAY. Then you will know that I speak the truth. You might not admit it, but you will know. I advise you to subscribe to Chadi if you want to learn about martial arts history and the politics involved in them in the past and today. I was trained by a Sensei from Paris and grew in Judo under the Kawaishi System. In case you don't know who Mikonsuke Kaiwashi was, he's the guy who wrote a book showing every move the Gracies use long before Helio Gracie claims to have invented them. Chadi, you are a fantastic martial arts historian. I am subscribed and rang the bell. Thank you for all the great videos.

[@Chadi]

Donald this is truly amazing! Thank you for support, comments like these really keep me going, and I'll work harder to match your support

[@76kamikazi]

DONALD DUKE The only techniques the Gracies ever invented is their famous jump you from the back techniques.Now that’s something i give the whole entire family credit for.

[@chadelliottfahlman]

Nothing is truly new. I don't know if Helio claimed to create any new move. His philosophy is different though. Pretty much all grappling arts are the same. What separates them is how igs systematized.

[@Chadi]

@Chad Tyrone thank you but listening to my work is more than enough

[@chadelliottfahlman]

@Chad Tyrone True. At the very least you need to survive. If that's what Jiujitsu allows than it is a victory.

[@Minsang1st]

Crazy thta you only have 7k subs. You certainly deserve more with the quality content you produce

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much! I'm glad people appreciate the work i put in

[@juliencharlet3672]

Funny how there is more footage of this fight than the Helio vs. Kimura match... I would really like to see that entire 13 minute match. Notice how they fought in a ring in this match and then on an open mat against Kimura? Kato almost threw Helio out of the ring but was saved by the ropes.

[@Chadi]

We need the entire footage of all matches, Santana kimura and Kato, there's a lot to unpack

[@davidlopez7209]

The ring was a set up for that very reason. It was meant to make great judo players look bad and to buffer their skills to give Helio a chance to steal some glory. It takes a lot of skill to launch a taller fighter the way Kato did with that Harai, seriously. All of the time and patience, the discipline and sacrifice it took to be that good at something just to get cheated in the end. Making your name off of someone by making them look bad instead of beating them. That's why they sent Kimura and sadly that's why Kimura didn't kill Helio.

[@juliencharlet3672]

@tupacamaru2 I've been looking for years and that's the only footage I've seen. Call it a conspiracy theory but I believe Helio and brothers bought the rights to the footage to keep it away from the public to view. I truly believe Rorion has it locked away in a safe in Rio and will keep it with him to his grave... lol If you read Kimura's account in his book "My Judo" there was 10 minutes in the 1st round and Kimura wrote that he used that 1st round to throw Helio around and put on a show for the Japanese crowd. He stated that his throws had no effect on Helio due to the softness of the mats. Kimura was known for giving his opponents concussions with his famous osoto gari. None of Kimura's nagewaza is shown though. It's edited straight to the 2nd round. I know this because Kimura stated he would use newaza to finish Helio off in the 2nd round which he did with ude garami. This is all written in Kimura's book "My Judo".

[@TheLochs]

I have some very old and rare grappling books on Judo, Jiu Jitsu and Catch wrestling. They are in storage, when the pandemic blows over I'll have to dig them out. I had access to a very old library and found some fun stuff.

[@Chadi]

That's great feel free to share the titles of the books

[@catmania3904]

@@Chadi I will. I need to wait till the virus blows over. It's in storage. I can't access it till then. I believe I have some cool stuff. Love the videos btw!

[@catmania3904]

@Calvados33 I will, I need to wait till the virus blows over. I can't access them till then.

[@dartfather]

If I remember the gracie anecdotes, they seem to imply that Kato is a bigger bulky man. I see a shorter not so bulky man here.

[@Chadi]

Rorion said he was 40 or 50 pbs heavier i doubt it since Helio was far taller

[@dartfather]

@@Chadi I could believe it if he said they weigh the same. 50lbs? I doubt it too.

[@johnnykage3903]

Back on Gracie in Action 1, they showed this fight and Rorion narrating said that many considered Kato to be technically superior to the much heavier champion (Kimura). Didn’t hear him say much about the weight of Kato

[@joeymcallister8033]

Chadi yeah, that’s not true. Can you provide something where rorion says Kato was 40 or 50 lbs heavier than Kato?

[@Chadi]

@@joeymcallister8033 go watch the original video Rorion is voicing over it and he said his claim

[@ReisterJP]

If this was a Gracie's breakdown it would be more like Kato was a giant 8 feet tall. Helio was so small and weak he had to develop new choke his weak spaghetti arms would be able to use to choke the massive inhuman Kato.

[@Chadi]

HAHAHAHA

[@susyyusup1148]

If Mitsuyo Meada still alive he would deatroy the Gracie. He got a title "the toughest man ever lived". He only stood 165cm and weigh 65kg. He fought Gi and No Gi from all discplines. If you have some footage of his style please upload it for the next vid.

[@Chadi]

I'm looking

[@mpforeverunlimited]

Well he was their teacher. Probably the only judoka they wouldn't try to bs

[@timog7358]

amazing as always

[@Chadi]

Thank Timo

[@chadelliottfahlman]

When there's no time limit or penalty, fighters are more careful with their approach.

[@Chadi]

Yes! But rules and time limits can help developp far more strategies

[@chadelliottfahlman]

@@Chadi I'd like to see a ruleset where each fighter has a minute before teammates come in and beat the shit out of the other person. 😆

[@Chadi]

@@chadelliottfahlman Hahahaha i don't think we will see such thing

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

In the book, Carlos Gracie( biohraphy ), they wrot that in the Second match beetween Hélio and Kato, when Hélio got Kato in the choke( shine Waza ), Kato in that moment says, " Japoneses pass out, but dont tap", thats is a lie, First, Kato dont speak portuguese, Second, Hélio dont speak japanese. Why they say this things?! Thats is one of the reasons that George Medhi stoped any relation with the Gracie.

[@Chadi]

Man so much folklore and myths even in modern arts, it's unfortunate

[@claesandersson5300]

Really cool! I have never seen this match and never heard any break down of the match.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Claes! I appreciate the support

[@LibraryAstro]

nice breakdown

[@Chadi]

Thank you!

[@JamesMMcCann]

Top work yet again. Amazing videos,you do so much research. You should be very proud of your work here, buddy. Quickly becoming my favourite channel.

[@Chadi]

Thank you James that means so much! I'll keep working

[@juanluna4368]

KEEP IT UP CHADI. AMAZING CONTENT

[@Chadi]

Thank you Juan

[@junkerjorg2157]

Gute Analyse.besten Dank für die Mühe.

[@Chadi]

Danke

[@julesthewalker]

Also, most of judo's ground revolution was not created by Kano but rather guys who came later like Kanemitsu(joined kodokan in 1910) and Oda(joined kodokan in 1909). Guys like Tomita, Maeda, and Satake and many others left japan in 1904. Even if Kanemitsu and Oda were geniuses, they had to split their time with both stand up and groundfighting. So let's say they didn't really start advancing judo newaza until 10 years after they joined the kodokan (say around 4th dan). That puts the timeline of judo ground revolution around 1920 +. Way past when many guys like Tomita, Maeda, Satake left japan. Also there are even more evidence that whatever the gracies learned wasn't kodokan groundwork based on Oda and Kanemitsu. The fact that they didn't know about the triangle choke from the guard until dam near the 70's when one of rolls students got a hold of an old judo manual.

[@Chadi]

Before Oda and Kanemitsu, hajime Isogai refined the ground work in the 1890s

[@julesthewalker]

@@Chadi when judo guys point to judo groundwork and the black and white footage they post. Its mostly the masters i mentioned above, even in japan those two are considered the ones that truly advanced kodokan ground work.

[@Chadi]

@@julesthewalker i understand that but the real pioneer of ground work before it was crafted by kanemitsu (inventor of triangle and knee bar) and Oda there was this rivalry that really pushed the kodokan to have better Ne waza in the 1890s kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoLbc6puo5V7fLs

[@julesthewalker]

@@Chadi im talking about the context of when strict judo guys talk about groundwork in their argument and post old footage.

[@kristopherpichon2170]

This guy Kato was ranked the #2 guy in the world at that time. This fight qualified Helio to fight Kimura.

[@DAS2165]

correct ! Kimura didn't think Helio could beat Kato nor did he think Helio could last as long as he did while fighting him...Kimura even invited Helio to Japan to learn more about his "survival" jiu jitsu. Helio didnt plan on winning against Kimura( who was MUCH larger and stronger), but was curious just how long he could survive Kimuras submission attempts. Also Helio did not promote "double palm down" collar chockes that require more strength from the arms& shoulders. He believed that both palms up or one palm down collar chokes require less strength and uses less energy by using more of your back muscles.

[@tomblaire]

The throw at around 630 seems to be hidari sode tsurikomi godhi

[@mba321]

Hello looks taller than I expected. I always imagined him as this little 5'3" guy. In the matches I see with him, he's always the taller guy. Maybe not as massive, but certainly longer.

[@Chadi]

I think Helio was around 6 feet or 6 foot 1 if I'm not mistaken, but was lanky and slim

[@FDonovan1979]

@@Chadi no he wasn't. He was a tiny man. Royler is a very small man and his father was shorter.

[@g.e.s1194]

11:29 what are those books called?

[@martiallife4136]

This is the second match. The first match was a draw.

[@benjaminlhargrave]

You need a way to contain the match to a small space. Mats themselves don't do that. If you're going to criticize the ropes then you should present an effective alternative. You would need a much bigger mat, a set of rules and a lot of interference by the ref to contain the match without structure, and it would have to be down off the platform on the floor. That setup might not fit available venues. A cage would be better, but perhaps interfere even more with throws. In a real fight there would be virtual certainty of much more obstacles to avoid. If you don't like the ropes, it's up to you to avoid them.

[@BFerreira82]

Funny thing is, even with all the Gracies bulls#*t and propaganda and whatsoever, they gave a world spotlight to newaza and grappling in general. I'll give my props to them for that. Made lot of judokas (outside Japan) go back to the roots and train more newaza. We are watching this video because of them, doesn't matter which side you take. I do BJJ and would love to do Judo, but no Judo club nearby. Maybe judokas should stop the talk, and do the walk. Open more Freestyle Judo clubs/gyms. More Kodokan Judo and less IJF ruleset. Add more and more newaza into the sport. More self defense judo stuff too. Bring back JUDO !!!! Stop being "old guys talking about the old days "

[@jks36352]

Where is the full video of hello vs kimura like this unedited version it makes you wonder

[@Chadi]

No one has it

[@jks36352]

Of course they don’t

[@Chadi]

@@jks36352 the Gracies have it for sure but not released

[@jks36352]

Chadi I do agree with you

[@76kamikazi]

Its a good thing Sakuraba dint fight them in Brazil because they would have killed or maim him.Thats the kind of scums the Gracies are and there are plenty of evidence to prove that they have done that to many peoples.They always went back to the drawing board to figure out how to beat him and he always destroyed them with the same arm bar,that tell me a lot of how skillful they really are.

[@Chadi]

Yes Sakuraba and Kimura they did a number on them, Royce only won by referee decision against Sakuraba.

[@invisiblechurch9621]

Sakuraba needed help with Guy Mezger

[@tarasbulba77]

Excellent analysis 👍🥋

[@Chadi]

Thank you Taras

[@moskoviaulus281]

In real life situation Kato would have finished Helio Gracie off at 3:44 when the ropes and the soft mats don't prevent a devastating amplitude throw

[@henrikg1388]

Not even white belts have such a static stance these days, whether it is in competition or randori. And I also think that the footage of Kimura vs Helio you have, is all that really exist. I have heard so from many sources. I hope I am wrong.

[@Chadi]

I hope you're wrong though, the match was like 20 minutes, I'm sure the camera was running the whole time

[@GaiusLibrietscientia]

Hi, this is Chadi

[@ТеоретикНЕмногопрактик]

А,это когда грейся попросил на мягкой перине бороться?На татами не схотел.Боялся больно упасть.

[@Rotkop]

Chadi, great video as always. Nice technical breakdown. Point of improvement, try not to judge a fight from the 50s, which is not even a judo match, against modern day judo rules, when it comes to your critique of the grip fighting. They’re fighting in a ring for crying out loud.

[@Chadi]

Thank you! The critique was that when there's ropes you can't throw properly, and the grip fighting just to show that judo did evolve in many subtle ways.

[@wendellignatin1228]

i don't like the clinch. It is a 50/50 position.I always seek a more advantageous position.

[@Chadi]

You mean the grip fighting in the video?? This is a standard kumi mata it is 50/50 indeed

[@wendellignatin1228]

yes. it is 50/50 because each opponent has equal chance to grab the other one.

[@Chadi]

@@wendellignatin1228 yes that's basic kumi kata as beginners we learn this but then escalate things, like pinning the sleeve, grab the collar around the neck in order to destroy the posture, russian arms and many things, the grip fighting you saw here was super basic.

[@dannychan2924]

In my experience watching Royce & some of the other gracies fights i have come to one conclusion! A few of them only like to fight under their own rules, they don’t like it when you win. They don’t like to admit loosing and will always try to spin it like as if it was a kind of a win for them. I have respect for any athlete that is willing to step into the ring ( takes a lot of courage ) however i have lost a lot of respect for this family due to their cheating & promotion though lies ways !

[@Haolekine888]

The mats nerf throws the same way taps nerf joint locks and chokes. Judo uses then ippon score due to this nerfing. Both the tap and the force full throw score ippon to the victor. Eliminating acknowledgment of the ippon from the throw is a kin to making a rule where joint locks and chokes can only be done with the pinky. It completely nerfs the spirit of the contest and allows the continuation of the beaten party.

[@diogomata2438]

Good job Bro

[@Chadi]

Thank you Diogo i appreciate it

[@joesphruggiero3707]

Good stuff,luv there rules much better

[@irsh2786]

I'm sorry but the statement about Shido is wrong, today would be the same : they were not doing a Judo federation ruleset fight. The whole point of it was to do a real fight with the minimum possible rules. Sure, the hand fighting is slow, but when you represent a full martial art by yourself, you are very prudent and cautious, you don't throw yourself in middle of a mess. Actually I find Helio a bit more offensive and bold than the other opponent, who is an actual Judo champion.

[@juelvanhaekruder8274]

Kato crashed a lot at Helio Gracie. Kato’s Nage Waza in this fight was much superior to Hélio Gracie's, but when the fight was on the ground Hélio was superior and finished Kato and stuck him to sleep. Kato gave Hélio many falls, but Hélio won because he knew how to use the moment to finish him! Keep posting your reviews. I like to see! Keep bro!

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much

[@Psilocybiant]

Picture a wood or concrete floor.......

[@chrischiang1512]

What Kama Jiujitsu says , shows the shallow knowledge they have about the history of Jujitsu and Judo ✌️

[@Chadi]

A lot of people just don't know including Rickson and Bravo about origins of techniques

[@chrischiang1512]

@@Chadi there is always a library in Kodokan for those who want to seek the knowledge about the old Jujitsu ✌️ I give credit again to Master Kano and his Kodokan group for the effort to preserve Jujitsu

[@Chadi]

@@chrischiang1512 indeed!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

There are ALWAYS different/conflicting versions of “history.” “History” is always an interesting exercise in gaining perspective but at the end of the day, a hundred people telling the history of a topic will result in 100 different versions. 100 people examining the same historical documents will have 100 different conclusions (although some will have common conclusions). The lazy among us read one (or some) of the 100, choose the one(s) they like best, and proclaim that as the “true” history. But in the end, the only ones who truly know, are the parties involved in the making of history, and the first hand witnesses. And even then, you’ll have different recounts of events and different versions of history. Thanks for the work you put into this video and the mention! Ryan.

[@Chadi]

@@KamaJiuJitsu thank you Ryan! I appreciate you taking the time to watch this, and i agree there's no ONE history, history is an ongoing discussion and we try to connect the dots as much as we can.

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

Five stars !! 🖐👺

[@Chadi]

Thank you Hamad!

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

@@Chadi you are very welcome buddy !! 🤗 keep them coming please ❤

[@Chadi]

@@hamadalrowaie6882 will do!

[@joeguillaume296]

Lots of gracie hate. Hahaha. In all fairness though the cross choke is done differently in bjj. No fairing of elbows and choke is applied more with wrists and back. Subtle but with less arm strength and more back muscles. Helio definitely refined a lot of submissions. Great work as usually Chadi.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Thats weird, all the youtube videos of GJJ and Judo do it the same way. Can u link a video that shows it being done the way you say?

[@joeguillaume296]

@@mongolchiuud8931 kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6W0nqWVnr6teNE

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Joe Guillaume that’s a BJJ video lol show us a judo video of a cross choke with flairing elbows. Because judo and BJJ does the same choke the same way. Everyone knows BJJ guys lie a lot. There is even a video of kron Gracie saying helio invented the closed guard and before him it didn’t exist. And in a vallenti brothers video they claim BJJ they have invented the triangle choke armbar combo and before BJJ they didn’t have it in judo. So forgive me if I no longer believe BJJ bullshit. 😂

[@joeguillaume296]

@@mongolchiuud8931 the video chadi posted just showed that. Listen I'm not saying they don't exaggerate but why is it only now people disputing their claims? Like there's some gracie conspiracy. Come one. All these years the lie was kept secret and no one knew or told. That's even more ridiculous. Show me where in judo are the 156 self defence techniques of gjj.

[@FDonovan1979]

@@joeguillaume296 agreed it's envy. Judo has never worked in the same way BJJ does in MMA, and channels like this only want to sell us one view of things

[@julesthewalker]

Helio looks like a person who trained with a small group of people. While Kato/kimura are products of a lions den of fighters. That being said, i find it funny that most of the disrespect towards the gracies come from white/non japanese people. In japan they are revered for what they are: warriors who were willing to put their bodies on the line. The fact that Helio would rather let Kimura destroy his arm than tap is respected in japan. That's why they were so respected in PRIDE.

[@aaronlusanko6356]

If I was forced to watch this wrestling. I would pay someone to sew my eyes shut.

[@Psilocybiant]

Yea you must have technical understanding to enjoy this.......

[@highchamp1]

The Olden Days So technically and information poor, so confusing, so silly looking... What will they say about nowadays? The same thing.

[@Chadi]

That's why old footage is important

[@Arman-jx7hu]

Is this like the anti-Gracie channel?? It seems like it from all the negative Gracie comments. I really don't care one way or the other, but just stating the obvious.

[@Chadi]

No it isn't! I discuss history of events and techniques, if the comments gave this impression, then it is what it is, but in the video i was breaking down the techniques that's all.

[@Arman-jx7hu]

@@Chadi Yeah, I didn't say it was about YOU or your video. Not everything is about YOU man!

[@Chadi]

@@Arman-jx7hu you asked if this is a Gracie hating channel, i run this channel, and I'm telling you it isn't

[@Arman-jx7hu]

@@Chadi Ok, I hear you loud and clear Mr Important. It must just be your followers that are the Gracie haters then. No big deal. Like I said, I don't care one way or the other.

[@DmanDice]

Arman75 “Mr important” what a condescending passive aggressive attitude.