The Troubled History of Dungeons Speedrunning - Hypixel Skyblock

[@PowerHawthorn]

you know its a good year when hellcastle and tyler upload

[@WaylakeAnimations]

and it isn't a video where someone banned from doing minuscule thing

[@supstingray4720]

Key word being year

[@kianrameshi7425]

Yo forgor 3rs

[@ineedmoreboulets1]

LMAOOO

[@jamessharman06]

Let’s hope it can fix inflation

[@1cj]

i don’t even play skyblock anymore but i still watch since the videos are entertaining lol

[@projectinfinite7992]

same

[@ItsStqr]

I recently got back in to the prospect of skyblock updating to 1.19 and the Rift. It’s fun playing for the game and not chasing meta and coins.

[@xandex69]

Same bro

[@adamlol_gaming4666]

same

[@Zadem]

Same

[@UnclaimedBloom6]

34:20 CORRECTION: Auto dungeons has not been released and to my knowledge, nothing like it exists elsewhere either. My motivation for making it wasn't to have it do runs for me, it was just because 1) I thought it'd be cool and 2) It was the perfect project to learn more about programming concepts like graph theory, optimization, data collection etc. I didn't (and still don't) plan on releasing it. I don't like how bad of a situation cheating is in Skyblock (Which is why the most major cheat I've released so far is still just a map scanner) and it's sad to see how a lot of dungeons has just devolved into people using auto routes and various other macros for all of their runs. Imo 2021 dungeons were the golden age, since the cheating situation wasn't that bad and runs were still (for the mostpart) mostly skill based. PB running on old f7 was super fun and I'm disappointed that we're never going to be able to experience that again due to the floor 7 boss being ruined with the release of M7. It was fun seeing how fast Floor 7 could be completed as almost a TAS run, but when those mods start getting used for normal runs or even make their way into party finder, then that's what I've got a problem with.

[@kelp4119]

why even say you dont like how cheating is in skyblock, yet release a cheat and actively work on them secretly.

[@UnclaimedBloom6]

​@@kelp4119 I never said I didn't like that cheating existed. I think that the tech behind a lot of the cheats is really cool and I'd encourage people to make and use them in private so long as they don't actively harm the server or its players. My problem is when they become public and so widespread that a large portion of the playerbase uses it. I was fine with releasing IllegalMap because all it does is give information to the player, not change the way they move or interact with the server.

[@user-to7ds6sc3p]

@@kelp4119 Believe it or not, there are people that like programming. I try to make cheats for most Mono compiled Unity Game I get my hands on, because it is very easy to modify the source code. I don't actively use those cheats, but it is fun to figure out the inner workings of the games and how to bend them to your will. Or just mess with friends in coop games.

[@wage5520]

shoutout bloomie

[@UnclaimedBloom6]

@@wage5520 woge

[@sleepychase148]

I would love to see a follow up video on m7. While unfortunately the story goes much the same, the amount of stuff found and the insanity of some of the cheats that were developed for it would make it much more interesting to see. Especially since the m7 speed running community is still alive and wr attempts are made regularly. Great video

[@stiv5517]

Funny joke

[@ryanyun5481]

@@stiv5517 ?

[@stiv5517]

@@ryanyun5481 m7 sppedrunnig is dead i think last i checked

[@1staccount449]

@@stiv5517no, in the past few months dragon skipping has become way more consistent, and lots of new glitches are found and abused all the time.

[@stiv5517]

@@1staccount449 I'm saying speedrunning is dead cuz like no1 cares

[@FF_Gaming5004]

I miss the old f7 and early dungeons, it was probably the most fun I'd ever had in my entire time playing skyblock

[@RajKnight]

I remember us trying to do f7 together and horribly failing lmao.

[@chonker]

YO FF GAMING! CHONKER HERE! I remember doing runs with you :) i miss old f7

[@Spyziy]

Oh man.. flying in f7... what a time. That was the most fun any of us had on skyblock, lets be honest. If they could just rework a few things in f7 like crystals to add back flight I'd literally cry tears of joy.

[@NecronHandlee]

Truly a Refraction outro moment

[@oogaooga0000]

tbh 5 people doing phase 3 seperately wad really cool imo

[@notSwiftie]

back in my day /s I SAID /S

[@Spyziy]

@@oogaooga0000 I agree, it felt so much more intuative and enjoyable than the buggy lava and incohesive parkour sequences. Bonzo staff makes it fun still, and adds more skill to it... but its so laggy and buggy it's just not very fluid.

[@Spyziy]

@@notSwiftie What?

[@Dra3oon]

Bro does not fear the algorithm

[@Brebbb86]

i found the imposter

[@Dra3oon]

@@Brebbb86 idk man you holding the knift

[@DuckstewW]

funni fake dra3oon

[@Dra3oon]

@@DuckstewW I am real dra3oon

[@DuckstewW]

@@Dra3oon no proof

[@medea27]

I don't play Hypixel but I burst out laughing @ 17:44 because it sounds like someone might have been doing a little trolling along with their hacking. You mentioned that a dungeon _mod_ was released called "Just Enough Dungeons" or _J.E.D._ that hacked player accounts... well, a few years earlier the Old School Runescape (OSRS) community had a _BIG_ drama with a moderator at developer Jagex, who was fired after getting caught stealing player accounts & gold inventories. His name - _Mod Jed._

[@everythingtube172]

HA

[@solidpandacka5544]

a bit late to this comment but the guy that made J.E.D apparently regretted hacking so many accounts and tried to return all the stuff he got from the scam but he got wiped and banned so the stuff went away with him

[@annoy4nce648]

While that's a fucking crazy story, it's unfortunately probably just a coincidence. In the modded minecraft community, there's been a trend regarding a specific subset of mods: Too Many Items, Not Enough Items, and Just Enough Items are all mods that allow you to access a list of items in the game, as well as view their recipes and usage. That trend continued to Not Enough Updates for skyblock, and it's more likely that Just Enough Dungeons was a simple continuation.

[@lennas2089]

A myth for mythbusters series: If you tranfer an enchanted or reforged silver fang to the rift (or two, one enchanted and one not. (they will stack in that chest then)), and then bring it/them back to the hub, they will stack again and lose enchants/reforges.

[@zylonxy9401]

I’ve never completed a single mission in skyblock, but hearing people talk about niche things they dedicate their time to and explaining their expertise in this area is awesome!!

[@Axe879]

can we just agree that LiveLaughLuigi is a fantastic username

[@anonymouspanda2841]

might be the best ive ever seen

[@k4joe580]

IIRC Flying was first possible by equipping spirit boots, but if you took them off, you couldn't fly anymore. It was only afterwards when they patched that, where tarantula boots were used, where you could even take them off and fly

[@EngineerAndrew]

I am a new f7(post revamp) "speedrunner" and try to stay to full legit parties, the best time ive ever gotten on new f7 is 4:41, knowing how easily I could speed up clearing/phase 3 by having people cheat is very sad also the current mid-run legit bloodskips are so unreliable so runs are normally locked at camp time

[@fwshy3447]

insane

[@Flar3zy]

slow

[@EngineerAndrew]

@@Flar3zy I know

[@AhmadTing]

woah!!

[@eatplastic]

thank you for representing legit players engineerandrew you are truly a hero its good to have someone we can truly trust would never deviate from there beliefs

[@calliphomallum663]

"Not looking to be out done by a rodent 15h, yarns, heatran, linman, and complexorigin came back the following day." got me dying

[@encodey]

love to see clipping through doors at 14:45 its like the only tech i helped develop

[@grapesandsand3816]

Good video! I liked the explanations of the different techniques with how they worked, how they improved times, and how certain records utilized them to bring the time down. I would've liked to see a bit more of who the people running are though. Even if not much is known about a group, just having some basic information to characterize them would've been nice, as I did get a bit lost trying to keep track of who is who. Also, the sections with the only improvements being better execution or luck did drag on sometimes, so I think a bit less time could have been spent on that. However, I really liked the cheating part at the end. Although, as you mentioned, it was a bit of a downer, it was the most engaging for me. The reveal was done well, and the explanations of how clients got ahead of each other was entertaining. Both the explanations of new cheats as they were developed, and the tactics like releasing competitors' cheats for free were interesting.

[@HostedOnCrack]

Hey, that's me in the video! Great video, it really takes me back to how so much happened in such a short time. Also, if anyone is curious what times would be like if the floor remained the same, the theoretical best time is likely a 1:52.68 (or in a range near there), with split times of: Clear: ~20 seconds (the time at which we would bloodskip) P1: 15.9 seconds P2: 24.6 seconds P3: 21.76 seconds P4: 30.42 seconds My guess is that the real world record would be a sub2:10 or maybe even a sub2 if the conditions were right. Its a shame that the floor was changed and we will never get to know how fast the times could have been but with the use of cheating and the constant chance of you and your team getting banned, it was inevitable that a stalemate like this would happen. Just to mention, cheats did play a massive part in the times we got, there is no denying that, but I don't think I'd ever be able to say that cheats were the reason that one team beat another, consistency from our team is likely the reason that we were the least team to hold the world record before the floor was revamped.

[@stiv5517]

Hi hosted how is your day

[@HostedOnCrack]

@@stiv5517 o/ Hey stiv, pretty good

[@stiv5517]

@@HostedOnCrack Awesome

[@Mizly]

Ily hosted

[@HostedOnCrack]

@@Mizly love you too mizly

[@enderguz3213]

Man do i miss running old f7 it was by far the most fun I had in this game. All though new f7 opened up for some interesting new challenges and strategies which I have had alot of fun using and helping to develope some aswell. It really is a shame there isnt a way to verify runs on the new version of the floor besides word of mouth and screen shots of run times. Happy you included the clip of me on venomised jumping through the wither door on cal's stream one of my favourite moments.

[@tirterra1222]

I just want to upcrush again and one phase p1 and p2

[@ItsPhilpR]

A lot of fun to watch keep it up :)

[@ncls9475]

game theory: tyler is hellcastle's cat

[@iron6509]

Why is this video so rewatchable like I've watched it like 6 times now

[@MozzarellaWizard]

The ultrakill ost really adds to the video (Flesh prison is catJAM)

[@trulyforce6620]

M7 is now extremely fun to speed run with insta killing all dragons

[@4qg_]

hello i would like to inform you about the fact that our perm's fastest f7 s+ clear was 36 seconds long :) new layout just ruined speed potential because of unskippable cutscenes, it just became easier and slower the 2.41 run with communityproject was also our perm's but like everyone there got boosting wiped sooner or later cause of the large dupe wave

[@4qg_]

also according to our calculations the fastest possible f7 run was in the range of 1.55-2.05 minutes s+ and it would've been doable with more time

[@Flar3zy]

5/5 clip boring

[@enderguz3213]

4qg :wave:

[@wage5520]

🤓

[@Cerysic]

ohemgee is that fourqueuegee

[@AgentLai0212]

Ahh I miss the good ol days when I was speedrunning with the gang and I actually had love for the game

[@sym959]

same

[@Spyziy]

This videos so good seriously You guys are so reliable on the accuracy of your videos it's crazy. You should be proud

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

I made a 46 minute documentary about Roblox lol

[@Japieeh]

Waking up to a 38 minute video from HellCastle, my day has already been made

[@Vocio_]

at 2:00 that info is kind of flawed because EVERYONE is farming right now and ruining the economy Very good vid tho keep up the great work

[@itsxela9617]

Explains the community of this game so well. They will do everything to not actually play, not enjoy a second, not be a human at all, not exist, not even in the same universe, while gaining stats in videogame without effort not deserving anything but getting banned and wiped and banned. Even most of the players that don't do that with literal hacks, but rather find a way to "play" the game ignoring every single playable aspect of it and just buying gear and afking money, in ways being arguable whether they are allowed or not. Like what the hell is wrong with 99% of the community. If you tell this to any other gamer playing any other videogame they will not believe a thing you have said. Skyblock players are the equivalent of playing chess by opening a fridge.

[@David28121]

As one who played back when cheats were in the more broken state aka 64 terminal aura and using them myself, it’s sad to see the state of the game even after 1 and a half years from my original ban. I never wanted to cause damage to the game and was more my way of re sparking joy in the only thing that brought me fun. I still feel bad about the one person who got collated by my wipe because they bought my wither chestplate 3 days before and that was what hurt the most out of everything as they did nothing and got punished way harder than I did. Never tried to hide cheating as I knew I deserved to be banned and out of all, the reactions of party finder was what was most fun about it, as seeing people finding enjoyment without having to cheat was good enough for me.

[@Watermeloncat575]

That cat made my day nice to have you back

[@derpsterYT]

Happy day when hellcastle and furr- uhhh tylerrrr uploads.

[@totalledzebra483]

Cheating actually made high level dungeons depressing to play. I really wanted to play the game legit but there was a time where not playing with cheaters was almost impossible as so few people were doing M7. Many cheaters would also expect legit players to start cheating just to make the average runs faster.

[@WCaboutYOU]

thats fake information.

[@averagecbtenjoyer9095]

@@WCaboutYOU fr cheating makes the game better

[@projectinfinite7992]

@@averagecbtenjoyer9095 different for different people i guess, I personally don't have an issue with people using qol cheats in mmorpg games like skyblock, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. This sort of affects other people (the legitimate dungeon speedrun community, as they have to face sometimes unbeatable cheated runs) but not to an extent where it ruins the game for everyone (e.g. macros or dupes).

[@WCaboutYOU]

@@projectinfinite7992 you know they can just compare cheater parties to cheater parties and legit parties to legit parties? and their run times can be compared the same legit to legit and cheater to cheater

[@Bmboo_]

​@@WCaboutYOU yeah from what I saw, people very much compared legit times to a legit wr, I knew a lot of top players around the time this video is talking about, and not only were legit players competing with cheaters, they were often better, but they never really cared that cheated times could be faster, as they just cared about legit wr

[@Some_Guy3]

I Love the fact that He used Chaos from the ultrakill Soundtrack at the beginning

[@Nikola_M]

6:45 Tyler still has their old IGN in that image

[@bigfishy7624]

i like the summoning salt stule vid

[@Seed]

thank 4 video furboi and hellcastle ;)

[@noraafalcon]

uhh how do you have 1.42 million subscribers??

[@Tomzin20]

@@noraafalcon botting or bought channel.

[@marlon.8051]

@@noraafalcon stolen bought channel

[@St_iw]

nope, he had the video that could be viewed by deleting 1 of the characters from "watch", it was a different video than the 666 one tho

[@Tomzin20]

@@St_iw oh really? huh. guess they just deleted it, cause it shows they have 200k views

[@trevororchard5096]

dude the amount of ultrakill music i have heard in videos recently is insane

[@dragoncrafterplayzz]

Does everyone ignore the fact that the background music for almost a his vids are Celeste songs like the one playing in the background during this one is one of the main songs.

[@benc1ark]

i love hellcastle tyler

[@salty_popcorn_]

you know that you're a veteran in the skyblock community if you recognize hacked some if not all client names by their first letter

[@dalnoraes]

huh. i haven't touched skyblock in a year now, but it's always interesting to come back every once in a while and see what's changed.

[@keijikai8391]

Love how that skyblock board was censored while the chat wasnt so its pointless

[@bananyawn]

Speedrunning community died in f7 after revamp but not for any of the mm floors and m7 is still very much alive and more complex and skilled than f7 since there’s a whole extra phase and the enemies are more difficult

[@madady8652]

I remember using term aura bro i felt like god. Then I got wiped two weeks later

[@junglebeatz]

Hellcastle too busy grinding overwatch to play skyblock 😂 I keep seeing you in streamer chats

[@SharpieBS]

Butterflygirl23 is a hacker tho? Got banned for dungeon mods.

[@silvenity2]

13:32 the overwatch wreckingball voiceline killed me 🤣

[@OurSpaceshipEarth]

is there a translation for that? is it a speech sample from overwatch?

[@frenchfries1675]

I appreciate the use of the ultrakill ost

[@SomeRandomGuyWithInternet]

"the next day, there was an even better run with the dynamic duo, 15h and yarns, and also DeathStreeks" you didn't have to do bro like that 😢

[@Lemonyvoid3499]

What are the prices of silexes these days 💀 Great video by the way Hellcastle and tylerrrr!

[@hexacolor5713]

You know its a good century when tyler and hellcastle upload

[@CraftingCat_IX]

I enjoyed that picture of the cat at 37:17

[@Cucumber_Dragon]

“Maybe a Mario game, or a Mario game, or even a Mario game with stars” Marioception

[@Shmooley]

this is like the question of what happens if you just drug every olympian to see the human limit

[@GGGamesXDlol]

to answer the question at the begining: ULTRAKILL

[@matejtlapak]

hello hellcaste watchers, the new f7 wr is on my channel :)

[@desserah]

Matej my beloved

[@WCaboutYOU]

hello matej tlapak ik that video :)

[@jetnyan2348]

i got fucking jumpscared when the flesh prison song started playing dear god

[@AquaticBlossom]

ignoring the 52sec f3 you could do by dying twice before the runs started so you'd start in the bossfight

[@chickenbird6661]

That cat at the end of the video is soooooo cute :)

[@sly-little-fox]

finally a hellcastle upload

[@Lscott-fk2sn]

I always thought dungeons was best with no mods at all, but i understand that can be quite lathargic to many, at the very least there should be a speedrun category that is modless, only performance mods allowed like optifine.

[@I_Like_Forks]

Hellcastle makes some of the best skyblock videos

[@enemosplaysminecraft]

Your videos are amazing !!

[@Capiosus]

Igblon explanation music 3:10

[@Alternativeaccount-vq5zi]

Always love me some good skyblock history

[@iplayminecraft1723]

At 29:30, does this mean they all mini maps are bannable? What I’m getting from this is that as long as the map updates like the normal Hypixel one does, it is fine. So, would minimaps like badlions, NEU’s, BetterMap, etc. be bannable?

[@ArthurWeiss-h2h]

Thank you for the update

[@HappyIcons]

Ok, this video is good luck, I started watching it, stopped, then dropped a handle

[@liIpatience]

should do a video on kuudra speedruns as they are very interesting atm

[@Rispy]

he fixed the editing error les go

[@imbadatpickingnames420]

The ultra kill music caught me lacking

[@ispazzed9743]

only the real ones watched the one with a editing error

[@jorikmaas7293]

“Ignoring master mode, which i will be ignoring” 5:29

[@ok-tr1nw]

The ultrakill music hit me like a tank Call an ambulance

[@Christmasprancer]

Gosh Tyler wasn’t lying his upload was today wow

[@dylan_1313]

Love the vid!!!

[@velkoh]

YAYY HELLCASTLE AND TYLER UPLOADD

[@nichtbanane]

I dont even play skyblock anymore but I still watch your videos

[@entwixed3406]

Honestly, just make a SOLO varient of the dungeons, difficulty scaled to fit a better pace, and things will likely come back to life- just have to find good people willing to be the tough moderators as well

[@mist_dr]

Hope you’re doing well Hellcastle!

[@Mizly]

ButterflyGirl23 Perm stay winning.

[@Flar3zy]

mfs lost wr in a day

[@slyTheSalamander]

Hell yea 2 uploads this year

[@-.__]

ah nice topic i was in a team that got the #1 time for f1 S on release before f4

[@bananyawn]

Ah yes dungeons is “fairly tucked away”

[@dement_tf2maybe]

Dunno how this sounds but I'd recommend saying something like "excluding X which I won't be covering" (this is about 5:29)

[@NidhishwarReddy]

0:16 Chicken race guy crying in the corner

[@ScientificallyImprobable]

Hypixel skyblock, the only game where the way to win is not playing the game the most.

[@thedawner6311]

Floor 4 strategy: AOTD, Decoy, Tribal spear Items that cost 1m - 1.5m coins per (as per the last time I played) and a literal free item...

[@Ninja-Hunter]

Hi Hellcastle and Unusually Simple

[@xelspeth]

As someone who is active in the macromod community since before hypixel skyblock and having been with it through the rise of mkb for hypixel skyblock. The conclusion of the video that most stuff was cheated is a super expected revelation to me

[@SkylandPirate]

Thanks for looking at the HSB speedrunning community. Its sad to see all this cheating in any community. Even more sad is the update making profile resets slower for attempting new file runs.

[@NiikoKnacko]

I SWEAR EVER SINCE I STARTED PLAYING CELESTE I HEAR THIS SONG EVERYWHERE

[@HellCastleYT]

wait until you hear the music in our next vid where i use oneshot music

[@Rispy]

@@HellCastleYT oneshot music on top, such a good game

[@NiikoKnacko]

@@HellCastleYT if you do ill literally bust

[@Jeff044]

@@HellCastleYToneshot w hollow knight music when tho

[@Kuino]

CALAMITYM OD MUSIC TOO

[@hetromangaming3230]

the cat pet is so cute

[@FieryDinoboy1]

I was watching GDColon recently, and found you in one of his videos, I was wondering if you still play geometry dash, and if you did, what is your hardest level?

[@alexion3007]

Before watching the video, my guess for the reason why there isn't much movement on SRC is because to get a dungeon run you would need the best gear and a good team and that's a very high bar

[@RERE-iz2dy]

M4 must be so insane for wr and cheats are problably having spirit bow insta shoot + Insta thorn hit and more i have no idea if there were hacks there tbh

[@bunx6908]

i feel so accomplished i’ve officially made it into a hell castle video

[@DarkClaws914]

same

[@stiv5517]

Same

[@horseman5550]

what is that font that all the skyblock youtubers use

[@zMarquinhosOFC]

3:00 what mods and texture do you use? Could you bring a video showing it?