Hellcat vs P365

[@reb1050]

I bought a Hellcat last week and had a choice between the Hellcat and the Sig. Without having fired either one, all I could base my purchase on was a few reviews I had seen on both, and the examination I had at the time. My take on the two was: 1. I have large hands and the Hellcat felt better with the wider grip...even though the narrower Sig would have been slightly easier to conceal. 2. I liked the rear sight of the Hellcat. It seemed more visible and had a better sight picture (to me, anyway). 3. The dealer had a special going on. With the Hellcat, not only did I get a very good price, it came with an 11 round magazine, a 13 round magazine, and FOUR 15 round magazines.

[@britainreynolds7365]

What dealer??

[@jason200912]

The hellcat is skinnier than the sig you silly goose

[@reb1050]

@@jason200912 According to what I have found, the width of the Hellcat and the P365 are actually the same. Either way, the Hellccat just felt better in my hands. Maybe it was because the grip is ever so slightly longer from the back to the front of the grip on the Hellcat. But what difference should it make to you. I picked the Hellcat without your input.

[@jason200912]

@@reb1050 365 is 1.06 inch hellcat 1 inch

[@ShawnShipstad]

If you knew about the Wilson Combat grip, you may have had second thoughts??

[@scottcombs6993]

I bought the 15 round mag for my Hellcat, then put the baseplate from the 13 round magazine on it. It holds 18 rounds without a huge difference in grip length and has cycled flawlessly.

[@thelastjohnwayne]

Wow Good info

[@bandolierboy1908]

Does it work with the 10 round version of the gun? If so is there any gap in between the baseplate of the mag and the bottom of the grip of the pistol?

[@TartanJack]

One of the better, if not best, of the many comparisons done on these two. So thanks.

[@jimmymassie8420]

Great contrast and compare, I have also put quite a few rounds through the Sig P365 and P365XL and the XL remains my carry gun to this day due to my large hands and getting a better grip on the XL. I really enjoy it and I shoot it extremely well. I’m glad to see more choices for concealed carry in the similar size as the P365, we the consumer are the winners here.

[@AudibleVisibIe]

Man i want an XL but they are pricey

[@rusharley2080]

I love my XL.

[@NCtrailX]

Great review and points made. Shot both back to back and found that I shot the Hellcat better - picked up the sights quicker. XL hands mean the larger beavertail on the Hellcat prevents the slidebite I was getting with the 365. If you have larger hands, be sure you shoot the 365 before buying. The 365XL has a larger beavertail if you're a sig fan, and it's a great shooter.

[@mrperfecttt001007]

The hell cat is a better gun

[@BERETTA9mmUSA]

The HellCat does seem to recoil just a bit more then the Sig P365..... they are 9mm and really small and light pistols sooooo I think they both handle the recoil pretty friggin good overall. Just my 2 cents. Beretta Sr.

[@dewfall56]

As a person who is very satisfied with his M9A3, I am curious how these pistols compare to the APX carry and Px4 storm subcompact? Are they all in the same categories? I could not find comparison vids.

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[@roberthaldi5253]

My EDC is a Sig p365 and I dearly love it. Also have a Springfield 911 in .380 which was my EDC until I bought the 365. Surprisingly they are close to the same size except in width. The 911 is now a b/u but still well liked. Intrigued with the Hellcat but don’t anticipate trying it. The p365 is a perfect pocket gun as far as I’m concerned with the nicest trigger of any gun I’ve ever shot. Absolutely love it. Springfield triggers don’t feel as nice as the Sig. At 83 years old, feel like I’ve found my perfect gun after.nearly 70 years of shooting.

[@PatriotSteve]

interesting because comparison videos say better things about the hellcat trigger. They say the hellcat is almost as good as the shield plus.

[@mikewilliams719]

I enjoy my P365 and my Hellcat, but I carry the Hellcat. The Hellcat trigger is much crisper and I also prefer the combat sights for concealed carry. The Hellcat also points more naturally for me. I feel more confident with it and that’s what really matters.

[@devildog3246]

When trying to figure out my next EDC I rented both of these and 400rds of 9mm. After some general shooting and running some drills the Hellcat, in my hands, thumped the P365. It was more controllable and more accurate. In an EDC that all that matters. Needless to say I bought the Hellcat. I have a friend that carries the P365 that I go the range with regularly. After shooting my Hellcat he actually shelved his SIG and got himself a Hellcat. Both pistols are great options, but the Hellcat is just a better pistol in my opinion.

[@justmehere6094]

FOr me it was the opposite

[@chrisblake1918]

I had my choice, I bought an XL. I don't know, it just felt that tiny bit better.

[@chrisblake1918]

@JusticeAA That's why there are so many different firearms. What exactly tickles your trigger your fancy? I bought the 365XL when I had the choice. YMMV.

[@PatriotSteve]

are you still happy with the hellcat? how many rounds through it?

[@allaboutroofing2]

My experience is the opposite. I found the hellcat far snappier. Funny how opinions differ.

[@dustinanderson5886]

I went with the Hellcat. The deciding factors for me were the extra round of capacity, being red dot ready, and the slightly larger grip.

[@hectorgomez7632]

I dislike where the slide lock/release is located on the hellcat. When I shoot mine I periodically run into the issue where my thumb goes over the slide lock/release and the slide doesn’t lock after the last round.

[@r2orobles338]

Same here. I think I'll "pull" the trigger.

[@friendsofthedead2742]

Was the same reason for me except the 15 round magazine barely adds any size to it and fits my hand better that way. Plus it has the rail for a light which the p365 does not

[@GodsChosen69]

@@hectorgomez7632 skill issue

[@brasshound4442]

I ended up with the hellcat. It jumps a bit more but the grip is so much more comfortable for me I shoot it much better. The capacity had nothing to do with my choice, just fit better.

[@sgthuy]

It's probably the grip angle

[@mike34744]

P365 more controllable and accurate for me. Both solid.

[@al-x2302]

It's a more controllable firearm in general sir. I noticed which was jumping around in the beginning of the video.

[@mnrodriguez]

Great video. I own the P365 and I am very happy with it. I believe they are both excellent options! Thank you, Justin!!!

[@SwissMovement]

“The song of my people” is a lovey song. Thanks for singing it for us!

[@TERESAVIALA]

Well done sir

[@MattGoodfellow]

Great video and presentation. Having rented both before buying. The p365 was far better than the hellcat for me. The hellcat offered some features I wanted, but overall I was pasting targets at 30 feet out with tight grouping very easily. The hellcat felt sloppy, didn't fit hands well, etc. I was using both with the Pinky extension to get a better grip. 3 of my friends tried it too, agreed with the 365 just shot better.

[@martyk8679]

Yep, I had the exact same experience. Went in expecting to buy the hellcat and after I shot the 43x, 365, and hellcat I bought a 365xl. The hellcat felt awful in my opinion and I’m an XD guy

[@kevinjung5539]

Thanks for the head to head on two of the most popular concealed carry options! The 365 has my attention. Printing is a big deal for me. Either of these work, but judging by the grouping, the Sig is a flatter shooting. A fast and accurate draw to first shot wins the day! Much love y'all!

[@nicopuracchio9401]

Thank you for such a thoughtful and detailed in depth look at these two guns you have really helped me consider some important points between the two!

[@frankwebb9167]

Great review, very thorough. I held the HC a few weeks ago and it was like grabbing a block of wood. The Sig has some contour that sits more natural, even without my awesome Hogue grip. P365 for me. All day, every day.

[@CagedSUPERMAN]

The 365 is for baby hands

[@kevinbaker2470]

@@CagedSUPERMAN beat me to it 😂

[@davidgiles9751]

Nothing against the Hellcat at all - but I'll stick with my P365. I shoot it better than any small CCW pistol that I've ever tried (and that's quite a few). For me, it shoots as if it's one size larger than it actually is (whatever that means).

[@thebusterdog6358]

Try shooting the Sig p938. Much easier to conceal OWB than the p365. Overall a much better carry pistol.

[@jeffjoe2795]

I own both , my wife carries the sig I carry the hellcat . I prefer the hellcat , my wife prefers the sig . I would trust both in a defensive fight.

[@jiuzgirlbeauty619]

That’s how we do it too.

[@joshstepp4845]

My wife's been carrying the Hellcat and I just picked up the Sig today. Im going to let her take her pick after she shoots the sig tomorrow. I'll gladly take whatever she doesn't.

[@TERESAVIALA]

Hellcat for me I've had mine for a couple of years

[@williamheld7672]

I own both the hellcat and Glock 43 standard. I have shot them both and carried them extensively. It is impressive how well the hellcat carries. I can’t feel the difference when carrying either. The hellcat wins between the glock 43 for me. The hellcat for me was perfect right out the box. Can’t say the same for that glock. Overall both the p365 and hellcat are good pistols. I think both will serve anyone well. Good job Springfield in making a good competitive offering in this market.

[@christopherketton9308]

Was the hellcat easier to control than the 43? I had a 43 but I didn’t enjoy shooting it at the range, I’m looking into the hellcat but idk yet

[@williamheld7672]

Christopher Ketton for me personally it was. The slightly wider back strap. That fit my hand a little better. It was a little easier to control. I am a fan of both the G43 and hellcat.

[@MDpolo]

+Justin Opinion to me this video is the best comparison between these two pistols that I have seen on YT. With each video setting the bar higher for the rest of us.

[@lanetaylor7496]

I own and carry the Sig P365 myself. It's a great gun in my opinion. I wish Sig would hurry up and manufacture a Standard Sig365 size optics cut slide and sell it as a stand alone piece!!!

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Just get it milled for 50 bucks dude

[@37gdog]

Why take a gun you buy because it is small and easily concealable and make it big with a red dot?

[@sasquatch-7416]

@@37gdog good point... I feel the same way about the XL 365. Your comment also made me feel like maybe I need to join a fireams anonymous. Definitely addicted to the chasing new cool stuff. 😵

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

@@37gdog because red dots don't make a gun big, especially the RMSc. They're located in a place that has no effect on concealability

[@jason200912]

@maximusjoseppi5904 Milling costs 90-150, not 50

[@bjmartinphotography]

This is the most thorough comparison ever, on any two gun. I might pick the P365 because I like a smaller grip to trigger distance. Thank you very much.

[@mrperfecttt001007]

I own both guns and I love the hell cat better

[@000one]

Great review once again. This guy is truly one of the best on the Tube. I feel like I’m shooting/testing these handguns myself when Justin does his reviews. That doesn’t happen with anyone else. Great useful review that is a hard one to do, because of how close these two CC pistols compare. But you covered everything. Thanks

[@goodbye_jaro]

Love that you added the index attribute in your measurement. That is exactly what i was looking for that can't seem to be found in other reviewers. 👍

[@soNso2]

Loved your honest take on both guns. Have a M&P Shield thinking of adding one of these arms to my camp.

[@GatCat]

I had a shield as my edc for a while, but just sold it a couple weeks ago after getting my Hellcat. It’s light years better. But it really came down to my ability to shoot the Hellcat much better. So you might enjoy your shield, I never did.

[@hondasaurusrex6998]

Brilliant comparison! Like the last statement about the Sig.

[@slickdaddy12]

I have had zero issues with the P365. The Springfield appears to be a great choice. If you have either, it's a great choice imo. My wife loves the P365 and is her edc. This micro compact 9mm works perfect in her belly band holster. Myself, I prefer the P320 compact size as my edc. Occasionally carrying a single stack Walther PPS m2. Justin is absolutely "spot on" suggesting the bulk of your practice with the pistol you carry. Good advice that I sometimes forget because I enjoy shooting many pistols. Justin, by the way, shoots well!!

[@ryanp6072]

Was set on getting Hellcat...until I rented one. Its got some snap for a 9. I loved everything about the 365 and 365 xl

[@centermass4962]

I own all three man go with the xl

[@venomlink2033]

Completely agree. I rented a shield, a hellcat, a 365, and a Glock. The Sig was by far the most controllable, and my personal experience with the hellcat didn’t even hold a candle to either. Snappy recoil, worse trigger, and sights (while great for close up acquisitions) don’t lend well at all to anything beyond 10 yards. The Sig beats it in all practical categories IMO

[@chrisburkman654]

@@centermass4962 is the XL still concealable enough to wear almost anything I want?

[@centermass4962]

@@chrisburkman654 very much. I wear basketball shorts alot in the summer and have no problems concealing it.

[@pmorin313]

I hope others will jump on board and offer another choice in this category, I am pleased with my SIG but if Walther jumped into the frey it would no doubt be an interesting choice giving their focus on ergos

[@TheTroublemakersGuild]

Im getting the P365 XL and putting the slide and innards on the standard 365 frame. Now, I am a Walther fanboy and so if they come out with a handgun very similar to these two, I will probably buy it

[@frankvandornis4373]

Great review! Very informative and thorough.Well worth the half hour spent watching.

[@Lacem_up]

Best part of the video... "Time to play for you the song of my people".

[@MartyBugg]

USA with 3 night sight for me. Had mine over a year now and no regrets. 100% reliable on mine and i work at a range and shoot it often.

[@chad8868]

I bought the hellcat osp and just fell in love I have never owned a sub compact before owned alot of compact pistols sig p320 compact glock 19 gen 5 and 4 Is Beretta apx centurion beretta px4 storm compact walther pdp compact walther ppq and probably leaving some out I have spent alot of damn money on pistols but the hellcat just to me fits every need I want out of my pistol very easy and comfortable to carry which all the other pistols I mentioned are not for me anyways I see people carrying a glock 19 concealed but for the love of God I sure can't figure it out but that's just me the hellcat fits my needs perfectly and is my go to gun everyday it blows my mind to be that small and still hold 13+1 and can get the 15 round also.. in my opinion springfield hit a Grand slam with this pistol

[@Rob_Shoot]

I was able to rent out both guns and I decide to purchase the p365. I found a trigger better and I didn't find it as Snappy compared to the Hellcat. But I didn't find that extra round for the Hellcat that big of a big wow factor. And if anything, I kind of found the Hellcat a clone of the p365.

[@yurgon]

I did the same thing as you (rental) and came to the same conclusion.

[@thomasbonse]

Same for doing the rental first. I was quite happy with both, but the availability of the P365 Tac pack was what tipped the choice in the Sig's favor. That and the availability of laser sights from Crimson Trace with the instinctive trigger switch.

[@srsatlaf4730]

I like the safe action trigger on the Hellcat so it basically ticks all the high capacity micro 9 mm boxes for me and I am very pleased with it over all. I am a SIG fan and own 2 SIG pistols but wanted the safe action trigger on it for a micro and went with the Hellcat. I pocket carry mine with a Desantis Super Fly pocket holster, it works great. I am very pleased with the Hellcat and I like the standard sights it comes with. Thanks for an excellent in depth comparison and review!

[@srsatlaf4730]

@ I don't like manual safeties or grip safeties on a defensive pistol. I don't want to be fumbling to disengage a manual safety if I am drawing a gun for a defensive purpose, especially from pocket carry. With grip safeties you always have to have a good grip but you don't always have an opportunity to use a good grip in a defensive situation. Just one more step to take a little more time and that something can go wrong. I prefer a trigger safety that is part of the natural action of putting the gun into operation but still gives a little more safety against an accidental discharge. Like I said, I'm a SIG fan, if they came out with a factory version of the 365 with a safe trigger action I'd buy one.

@@srsatlaf4730 , you need to get used to a grip safety through practice. You need to get used to disengaging a safety through practice. You do what you like, I'll do what I like, and we'll all be happy. Let's just hope we don't get hit with a negligent discharge by the sloppy guy with the Glock.

[@srsatlaf4730]

@ That's correct you have to train with what you use so you are proficient with it. I have used. owned and carried every type of pistol with every type of safeties including revolvers for over 30 years. For pocket carry I prefer safe action trigger and for other holsters I prefer SA/DA with decockers. I sold off all my manual safety pistols and pistols with grip safeties 10 years ago. Kept all my revolvers though, I still enjoy shooting them.

[@walther5027]

P365 much sleeker and a tad smaller. Better sights and trigger...

[@timwhitlock4178]

Im looking because its getting close to summer carry update time. Im still kinda leaning toward the 365XL.

[@thomasbonse]

The p365xl has even less recoil than the regular p365. It's also red dot optics compatible, where the p365 is not.

[@davideberhardt4977]

at 9:38 you show that the grips are at different angles (at the bottom of the grip). That explains why your pinky fits on the Sig and it doesn't on the Hellcat, which you demonstrate a little later in the video. Overall, your review is extremely helpful in explaining the differences in these two firearms.

[@miket.8528]

I haven’t found a comparison yet that picks the hellcat. It’s always 9/10 to the p365 and 8.5/10 to the hellcat.

[@l-korrosiv-l6126]

That's because the P365 is objectively a better firearm

[@venomlink2033]

I personally think the snappiness of the Hellcat recoil negates some of the Hellcat’s own best features. It almost doesn’t matter if the hellcat fits better in your hand because it’s inherently harder to control by design. Also, when there’s so little to differentiate the guns, things like the trigger start to matter a lot more IMO. In this case, I prefer the Sig. But that’s personal taste.

[@OldmanSnake]

@@l-korrosiv-l6126 lol. You clearly haven't owned both. The Hellcat is better built, has better capacity, better sights(OSP) and better trigger. I have both and while I like the 365 it feels cheap compared to the Hellcat. It's better for smaller hands

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

only reason I was thinking about it is the comp and red dot rdp version however. I hear the triggers sucks and jams. although that can be upgraded.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

I know I certainly don't get anything for free 🤣 I like the sig cause the trigger is better, sights are better, and it looks cooler.

[@Toddler1967]

I agree the P365 looks cooler. Mag fits tighter too. Sights are personal, but I put big dots on everything so they don't factor in for me. Even with the 365's bugs worked out, I liked the Hellcat more, and since I also don't get get any firearms for free, I'm passing on the P365 and waiting on XS to make sights for the Hellcat. Perfectly happy with my Shield 2 until then. Nice to have options, isn't it?

[@thomasbonse]

@@Toddler1967 The Hellcat is available ready for red dot sights, they're just not made by Springfield themselves. They do list compatible optics, so if that's what you want, I'd say go for it.

[@toddw4147]

@@thomasbonse Hi Thomas. XS Big Dot sights, not red dot sights. But thanks for taking the time to reply

[@Armored_Muskrat]

I'm drawn to the P365, but the horrible experiences of Tim at Military Arms Channel keep me undecided. It's lighter, has a better trigger, and looks cooler, as you say, but after Tim -- is it actually reliable at all, or is it prone to constant failure?

[@Gruuvin1]

@@Armored_Muskrat Sig has been progressively working out the problems, while at the same time denying there were any problems.

[@WeightsNGunz]

Outstanding video. Just picked up my 365 today. Switched it out with my G43.

[@thomasbonse]

When I tried the Glock 43, I really wasn't impressed. I was much happier with both the P365 and the Hellcat. I ended up going with the P365 TAC pack due to the included magazines. Personally I'm very happy with that decision.

[@James-zy5lh]

I rented both on the same range trip a few weeks back and prefered the HC by a good margin. Both are comfortable to shoot and are essentially the same size. However, the Sig's slide failed to go into battery multiple times. I'll give credence to the fact that it is a range pistol and could have issues from misuse or improper care, but the HC had no such issue. I also preferred the mag release on the HC, and I found it much easier to regain sights for follow up shots. The +1 on the standard flush mag is really just a bonus for the HC.

[@mrperfecttt001007]

I love the hell cat better

[@dpbeardslee]

This is the first one of your videos I've watched. Well done.

[@3wheelmannc860]

P365 for me. HC is very nice, but snappier overall and heavier trigger IMO.

[@thomasbonse]

I've shot both with extended mags and factory grip. The recoil on the Hellcat was noticably stronger than the P365, but still very manageable. I ended up selecting the p365 in the TAC pack, which comes with 3x 12 round extended mags.

[@tylerl6589]

@@thomasbonse tough decision for sure but I just ordered the p365 tac pack as well even tho I'm a springfield fan.

[@thomasbonse]

@@tylerl6589 You're right about that. I liked both of them quite well, but the TAC pac's third magazine and the availability of CT's green laser for the P365 and not the Hellcat (for now), was just enough to bump the P365 to the win. I put 500 rounds through it the first day at the range, just to make sure nothing would break, since it's my conceal carry. (I am licensed.) After that, I've put through another 500 at 100/wk and have another 2000 rounds ready for future practice. (There were some really nice sales for as little as $159/1000rds recently for FMJ 115gr practice ammo at my local range.)

[@tylerl6589]

@@thomasbonse nice to hear its holding up well for you. Does it not make you nervous eventually having 2,000 plus rounds through it being your CC? how is the holster that comes with the tac pack?

[@thomasbonse]

@@tylerl6589 With regular cleaning, oiling, and general gunsmith care, no that is not a concern. The holster it comes with is serviceable, but uninspired and not laser compatible. I've actually been pocket holstering (with the CT green laser) using the Blackhawk Tecgrip pocket holster with jeans.

[@johnwoo4564]

Great review and comparison. I dry fired both at Shot Show and found the Hellcat's trigger "mushy, " but the texture on the grip outstanding. When compared to the P365, I like the trigger, but not the texture of the grip.

[@charlesgraves5545]

Have shot both, P365 is easier to shoot and maintain on target, making it more accurate.

[@yurgon]

I thought the same thing between the 2.

[@SteelWolf13]

For you.

[@justmehere6094]

Same for me

[@switter1999]

I shot both guns at the range yesterday. It felt like the hellcat had less recoil. I picked up the sights super quick also. I really was hoping the sig was going to be a lot better because I like sig, but I found the hellcat better for me. My wife also thought the same thing. I also like that the hellcat comes with the larger 13rd magazine. Sig should include the 12rd mag.

[@PatriotSteve]

are you still happy with the hellcat?

[@switter1999]

@@PatriotSteve ya, the hellcat is great! Never had any trouble with it yet and doubt I will. I have a kydex iwb holster with it so putting it on and taking it off takes 5 seconds which is nice also

[@roul3688]

I went for the Springfield... Just dumped about 300-400 rounds through it, what a great shooter.

[@gummybear41283]

how is the recoil and the trigger??!

[@roul3688]

Bob johnson A pattern I hear on KZbin is it is “snappier” than the P365. I shot my Hellcat side by side with my PPQ and Glock 45 9mm’s and didn’t really notice much more “snap” than either of those. I haven’t shot the Sig but the gun doesn’t recoil much for me. Very controllable. Mag dumps staying on a 10” steel plate from 7 - 10 yards. The trigger feels really smooth for me and naturally pulls straight back for me, which is one reason why I chose it over the Sig. In my opinion, the Hellcat has better sights, it has a higher capacity, is shorter, better grip, better firing pin (no primer drag) and is the better weapon.

[@BagsEsquire]

I have both. My 365 is the XL version. 365 all the way for me. Prefer the sights, trigger and design.

[@localguy8]

jolzew11 do you carry IWB with the XL and any comments name of belt thanks I own 3 different 365 ‘s n love the one with the Manuel safety . I do have the 12 clip mag but not the 15 yet too expensive

[@BagsEsquire]

localguy8 yes IWB. It’s so small though I bet it could be carried OWB and not print at all. I would try OWB but the only OWB holsters I like are Bravo Concealment and they don’t make one yet for the XL, only the standard 365. Right now I use a Glaco Sto N go that I had for my XDS I use to carry and it happens to fit it perfectly. As far as belts I just use a standard leather belt from Kohl’s. If I was carrying something heavier I’d buy a specific carry built but this 365 is so light there’s just no need to have to get a super stiff belt.

[@rickyhogan2749]

I will always choose a Sig Sauer product over a Springfield, just my opinion. Thank you for this great review. Always Good.

[@erickapler4707]

Springfield never sold guns that fire at random. Sig did. But hey a nuthuggers gotta nuthug right?

[@MachineGod69]

Hellcat far superior no firing pin problems and just a lot more solid built gun.

[@BERETTA9mmUSA]

Young Beretta and I both have a Sig P365 and we are very happy with them. Great Show Justin! Stay Safe my friend! 🤗👊🥳👍😎🇺🇸. Beretta Sr.

[@1122jeffb]

I just got my Sig p365 to replace the Hellcat that was not very reliable. I really wanted to like the Hellcat, but was having to many issues with the gun to feel good about carrying it for self defense. Even after sending it back to Springfield for 5 weeks, it came back and had the same issues. I have a Springfield XDS 9mm that has never given me a bit of trouble, just no luck with the Hellcat. I will agree, that the Hellcat is a snappy little gun. I really like your comparison on these two guns.

[@Iamfirebird360]

You're fastly becoming my favorite youtube gun guy. Great video.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Oh great. I live up to almost anything... except expectations!

[@nitemare5030]

Agreed best Chanel

[@millemaolchannel8608]

I have way too many 9MM conceal carry handguns including the P365 and do not need another... so looks like I’m getting the Hellcat. Great vid

[@MrVara411]

Excellent review. Best comparison video I've seen between the two guns yet!

[@sardonyxcorporation]

Buy the 365 TacPac, 3 12 round mags, fits nicer in your hand and still only 499.00. Got my wife one and she loves it.

[@Ron-fw6bm]

This must be a pre pandemic comment I thought when I first saw this... Yep, three months ago. Because I can't find the tac pac for no 499.00 anywhere...

[@Rumpleskin]

Can the tac Pac be had with the manual safety? I know..i know..but I carry up front.i have a bunch of Springfield products but with no manual or grip safety I'm forced elsewhere

[@ShawnGS300]

Sardonyx Corporation .... Where did you buy your P365 TacPac for $499?

[@Guns_and_Outdoors_Channel]

Nice review Just. Looked to me like you were on the money with the P365 based upon your head to head shooting. They both work well, but for us it’s the Sig for the win!

[@thomasbonse]

Agreed, though the win is by a hair and entirely dependent on what feature or specs are more important to you. Best recommendation I have is rent both on the same visit to the range and see which one works better for you personally.

[@timstutterheim]

i dont normally leave comments, but i enjoyed your video, i like your gun cuts and your swag, keep it up! Just bought a P365 hope I made the right choice;)

[@outlawgt3045]

I'm not too picky when it comes to pistols. I have 3 Glocks, 2 Springfields, and an IWI Jericho.. I just bought a FDE Springfield XDS9 mod2 a few days ago. No one said anything about a Hellcat at the gun shop

[@chuckgray7749]

I rented the HC and P365 liked them both but for different things and the HC can be a bit snappy but after a few clips it is a small issue, there is clip extensions for both that makes the target acquisition better as you train.

[@methodical_66]

What's a clip? You mean magazine?

[@danjacobs3130]

I'm so glad that you explained how your pinky went underneath the hellcat because I wear a 2XL glove and now I know that won't work for me I was actually looking into buying one so thank you for helping me out in that aspect. I would have been really mad to find that out.

[@ChrisChuUsa]

again, the best cat-365 comp there is on the tube! thx!

[@timhilgendorf1512]

I went to purchase the Sig P365 or P365XL. The XL trigger is real nice and I felt the best of the three (including the Hellcat). The XL had a sweet sight picture and came within seconds from purchasing it. Then my gun guy said he just opened a Hellcat and I should check it out. What sold me on the Hellcat was running the firearms through function checks. The Hellcat was smooth and both Sigs were stiff and would not run a function check as "most" handguns would. I love Sigs. My P226 MK25 is probably the sweetest firearm I have ever owned. I shoot it great and love how it agrees with my sight picture. I really wanted to love the P365, but I could not get the 365 or XL to run standard function checks that 90%of handguns run. Neither firearm would cycle the slide with the trigger pulled to test the reset and both were extremely stiff to cycle. Perhaps I was doing something wrong, but the shop owner was just as confused. The Hellcat was smoother all around and after shooting it, I was not disappointed. I would say I am a bit above average shooter and was hitting 10 out of 13 round into 10" steel from 25 yards and fist sized groups at 12 yards. I have about 300 rounds through it and no issues out of the box. The mags are a bit stiff to load, but with my Glock mag loader its no issues. I sold all my single stacks due to the limited round capacity, accuracy, and snappiness when shooting, but missed the ease of carry in the summer. Real happy with the Hellcat. Easy to shoot, 13/1 or 11/1 capacity, accurate, and terrific sight picture. The trigger issue....easy fix. A buddy said why would you buy a handgun you have to fix or adjust, (I had learned of the trigger issue after I bought it, and it does exist) but why buy a Glock then polish or replace the trigger, replace the springs, firing pin, and other trigger parts.....Its what gun junkies do! Enjoy !

[@Subtlenimbus]

A gun that won’t cycle with the trigger pulled is a non-functional firearm. Something was wrong with those guns, or you.

[@slipagent6]

Just wanted to say as far as the night sights go that some people would recommend a single large dot up front for easy fast aiming in a stressful situation. So personally I like the idea of a single less busy glowing dot up front to help in low light conditions and short distances like in concealed carry.

[@kencorsell8087]

I’m sure Sigs logic in offering (2)10 rd magazines with the gun even though they had bigger capacity mags was getting the gun into all 50 states, then if your state allows you can obtain the larger capacity mag if you want it. The are any states that the Hellcat can’t be sold in!

[@davidpelton1885]

My P 365 CAME with 3 - 12 round mags, no extra cost. Fantastic as using them it fits my hands perfectly! So far nary a problem However to be fair, I paid $65 for better/more visible rear sidhts. My brother with his Hellcat is asking ME to find him better rear sights for his Hellcat! LOL! Compared both the P 365 and Hellcat at the dealer. Did Not like the Hellcats sights OR trigger. Once I shot the Sig, I found rear sights not to be visible in low light! ☹️😭😬

[@juanlife0252]

I have the hellcat and am waiting for someone to figure out what or who makes a extended magazine 30 or 50 round drum for it..

[@G273Outdoors]

Had both guns and once I got to 500 rounds, I sold the P365. Very good guns. Honestly, the shooting of each gun was interesting, You hit the bullseye on the 1st Hellcat shot and proceeded to hit everywhere but the bullseye. I found the Hellcat much more accurate and when I hit the bullseye on the first shot, the rest followed. More attention to shooting focus and less to drama on slide release and mag drop. Just saying.

[@damonorr1429]

Just got a p365 sas without ported barrel! Unbelievable gun one of a kind.

[@jambajoby32]

Whoa cool!

[@SniperUSMC]

If the Hellcat had the rear sites like the Sig P365 it would be a perfect weapon for me. I didn't like the feel of the Sig 365, it's trigger guard was not as comfortable as the Hellcat, and that was immediately apparent. Unfortunately the stores near me did not have the Sig P365 XL to compare against the Hellcat. I liked the mag release and the grip on the Hellcat better. The Sig P365 was about $30 more, inconsequential price difference.

[@marcus1282]

p365 works best for me.....I recently purchased one. There is nothing wrong with the hellcat but I didn't like it as much as the sig.....another gun I want is the m&p 2.0....the thing was much better than I thought it would be.

[@garymatney9344]

A very fair & objective comparison my friend. Thank you !

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad you liked it!

[@brianpartlow5530]

I have tried and like both. Great little SHTF guns. They'll fit in a pocket holster for concealability. I couldn't win a marksmanship trophy with them but they hit at self defense distance. I like your groups! I bought a new Hellcat. I didn't feel the crazy recoil alot of people talk about. My little LCR 38 special kicks more.

[@mozzberg590]

I still like my M&P Shield 2.0 and I'm not gonna jump on the new hotness every year.

[@shojus]

Probably a smart idea, as that's what I always do, and it doesn't always work out to be the best thing... While the P365 has been an outstanding little gun, I was one of the first people to own one, so I ended up having some issues that Sig has now worked out...

[@rurouniad]

@@shojus Thanks for sharing. I think if you are a first time gun owner looking for concealed carry. Latest and greatest is awesome. If you are carrying anything around the Glock 26 > PPS > Shield > 938 era and so on. It doesn't make a lot of sense to "upgrade" right away. It might soon though, as current development is great and pistols are getting smaller and smaller.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

More rounds, smaller gun.. this isn't a new hotness comparison, it's objectively a more capable tool.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

@Blind Spott no, it's more like I have a truck instead of a horse, I have 4 wheel drive instead of 2 wheel drive in the snow, I have a drill instead of a screw driver. It's factually a more advanced, more capable tool that does things the other cannot possibly do due to physical limitations of an older design. That's why we don't carry revolvers anymore... Some dude also said "I'm no going to buy that semi auto pistol, it's just the new hotness" haha. No

[@njohnson3331]

I'm willing to bet that within the next couple years other companies will have similar subcompacts. Time will tell which is the most durable.

[@kde71450]

Thanks for the great review. Most of my handgun investments have been in some Austrian firearms Mfr. But I am looking more at Sig and the P365 has an appeal to me. The Hellcat and their Saint AR look appealing, but I too, have a slight disdain for Springfield Armory! Great review!

[@dlaw929]

maybe it's because the Hellcat is made in Croatia. My mod2 9 does seem well made all be it.

[@kde71450]

D LAW It’s Political and they have abandoned 2A By selling out to Illinois gun grabbers. They supported an Illinois bill in exchange for an Exemption. They sold out 2A supported and other gun makers and shops that sell firearms

[@dlaw929]

@@kde71450 understood brother

[@mikekostecki2267]

@@kde71450 They have apologized for that and fired the guy responsible. That "sell-out" won't happen again with Springfield and yes I own a SA XD Mod 2 Tactical (and really like the gun) as well as a Buchmark, a couple S&Ws, and a Henry. I'm not a SA fanboy but would consider the Hellcat.

[@scottd8148]

Ken Edwards another one of you idiots beating that dead drum. Send me a link to all your 2A advocacy . You guys are a hoot

[@renatoslife5373]

Justin always the best. Very real and honest 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@squidly2112]

I definitely prefer my P365 .. thanks .. it's my EDC .. and my P320 RXP Compact for backup .. BEST THERE IS .. PERIOD!

[@melisnmatt35]

I've carried 365 since it came out. had my lgs first. no issues. no bias, i carried springfield xds 45 before the sig.

[@selfreliance1014]

Hellcat for me. Grip angle feels more natural. And a little fatter in my hand.

[@timmeinert6594]

I've always prefer a Sig. Thanks for your insights and info regarding these 2 handguns. By the way I believe you misspoke when you said the width of the P365 was 1 and six tenths and not six hundredths.

[@PatriotSteve]

Sig had two years of problems with the 365 and also the accidental discharging with the 320. You stick by all that mess and that’s real loyalty.

[@husseinabed9860]

Thank you!! You pretty much covered all my questions

[@pauldvorsky1969]

now* that its a controlled experiment. Note my typo correction due to my XL mitts on this phone screen and darn auto correct

[@dlaw929]

A lot more options with the P365 due to modular design. You currently can swap frames and grips with the p365 XL and p365 SAS

[@CaveWyatt]

Fun showdown but I prefer the P365XL* size so if I am to be interested in a “hed-to-hed “ it would be XL vs. MC2. Outstanding hair day, btw! *Possibly my favorite pistol ever.

The flat trigger on the XL is a dealbreaker. Why'd they do that?

[@CaveWyatt]

Hypercube Jones LoL! And here I am, loving it! In fact, after I got an XCarry I put the Sig flatties in all three of my other P320’s. Mostly I like the 90° break over the trigger moving closer the the rear of the trigger opening. I guess it’s good to have choices.

[@shaunarich7237]

Great video! As a first time gun owner, I tried lots of guns before purchasing my P365 which I LOVE!!! I prefer the grip of the P365 over the HellCat as well as I was much more accurate with the P365!

[@SB-mw1bg]

Most women seem to prefer the P365 perhaps because of the smaller grip size and the perceived less recoil,while the guys prefer the larger grip. Either way......good choices for EDC.

[@mrperfecttt001007]

Hell cat a much better gun

[@thomasc6127]

20:00 must be nice to be able to use the slide stop. Said every left handed ever like me 🙃

[@harrycallahan9733]

9:04 The biggest different for me is the grip. My hands are medium to medium large. I can wear medium sized gloves, they'd be snug; large gloves fit me loosely. P365's grip is sloped at the bottom, whereas Hellcat has flat bottom. This makes P365's front strap seems longer, and that is the key: with shortest mag and flat floor plate, I can get three fingers on the grip with P365, with maybe 1/5 of my pinkie hanging but it doesn't slip off when I fire the gun. With Hellcat, I can get at most 1/5 of my pinkie on the grip. It slips off as soon as I apply a little force gripping, don't even need to fire it. Hellcat's height is shorter than P365 (4" vs 4.3"), but for me if I want three-fingered grip, I have to use the extended floor plate with the 11rd mag, and that makes the height 4.5". Something to consider when you are buying these guns (P365, Hellcat, Max-9, Shield Plus, GX4, and R7 Mako) for pocket carry :)

[@lgwappo]

Interesting that the P365 has a staggered magazine yet it's just as wide as the Hellcat magazine. Hard choice but I picked the Hellcat. First trip to the range with it yesterday & very pleased.

[@normbittner3762]

Love my P365!

[@69CamaroSS]

It all comes down to trigger weight and feel....100 missed shots do you no favors....and may land you in jail!! Excellent presentation and delivery! 👍

[@bigw6960]

Great review... I'm looking at both of these as an EDC. Having a hard time deciding. I like the idea of the trigger safety and higher capacity on the Hellcat. Those may be the deciding factors.

[@mrperfecttt001007]

I had the same problem deciding on which one to buy when I went to buy I went in to buy the sig 365 but walked out with the hell cat . This guy is bias against the hell cat

[@bigw6960]

@@mrperfecttt001007 I bought a Hellcat and couldn't be happier

[@-_-_-_-318]

@@mrperfecttt001007 "this guy" is sponsored by Springfield and receives weapons and ammo for free for review from them.

[@PatriotSteve]

@@bigw6960 are you still happy with the hellcat?

[@rncondie]

Sir, Outstanding objective comparison. I prefer the trigger on the Sig 365 vs the Hellcat which I have only dry fired at a gun store. The Sig 365 trigger is lighter per your review by almost 1 Ib vs the Hellcat which I found noticeably heavier vs the Sig 365 and grittier when dry firing both side-by-side at a gun store. (Hands down Sig 365 has a superior trigger vs Hellcat) I have owned and sold a-lot of conceal carry including Kahr CM 9, Beretta Nano, Glock 43, S&W Shield (still own) Ruger 380 LCP 2 and my current go to Sig 365. I have big hands (L-XL gloves) and reliability & accuracy should be important to everyone in a concealed firearm. Beretta Nano was the least reliable, followed closely by the Kahr CM9 The Glock 43 for my large hands was always pulling to the left but never failed. (My Glock 19 is dead-on accurate.) The S& W Shield has never failed after 1,000 plus rounds and is accurate. The Sig 365 is also a very accurate weapon in my large hands but I have had a couple misfeeds. I pocket pack using kydex holsters and the Sig 365 is a better pocket pack weapon vs the S&W Shield and 3 extra rounds in the Sig 365 is a big plus. To this day my Sig 365 is my concealed weapon choice. In my opinion there is not enough pluses with the Hellcat vs the Sig 365 to justify purchasing a Hellcat and/or switching out conceal carry firearms.

[@heimbone1]

Excellant, excellent review!!! Wonderful job!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad you liked it!

[@thebusterdog6358]

I own the XDS Mod 2 45 acp. And as far as I'm concerned 1 polymer striker-fired pistol is enough in my collection.

[@SAR0311]

Yeah, but *THAT* one?

[@canebrakeruffian1122]

It must be pretty difficult to compare these two firearms when one of them is wrapped in aftermarket grip tape for the all of the comparable shooting segments 🙄

[@landonjones676]

EVERYONE mentions how much snappier the hellcat is regardless of grip tape. I’m a fan of the hellcat but it is heavily noticeable. It’s the very common opinion between these 2 firearms.

[@martycuhntzmart5635]

I've got the Hellcat, P365, Shield Plus and a 43x MOS. Out of all of them, even though I'm not a glock guy, still prefer to carry the 43X MOS. They're all amazing guns, the 43X MOS just fits me better personally.

[@jimrodriguez8047]

Another great, in depth review! Thanks

[@thomascampbell4660]

I like how even though you had a good reputable attachment to the sig p365 you still put it in your left hand shooting side by side. It's a small detail I noticed and it's things like that that make a huge difference when doing what you do. Even though new, you tried to give the springfield a fair comparison and I appreciate that. For me, I am torn. I hate trigger blades and the udot sight. I agree that the 3 dot xray sights would be easier to line up in the day and especially at night. The one extra round is appealing but the ergos do look more like a 2x4. I held the p365 and it was amazing in hand, I have not held the hellcat yet. I'm really upset with sig because they always chose a route that is proprietary, but maybe they have the rights to do so. I like how springfield managed to find a way to mount a small optic on a sub compact or micro compact, whatever you want to call it and you should have mentioned that in the video but I'm not bashing it was a great comparison. You have hands on i don't, our hands are most likely different. But I am ever so slightly leaning towards the sig too. Not sure if a red dot is really that important for defensive carry when most engagements are within 10 meters. You should try to make a video on how much an advantage a red dot on a micro pistol would give you and if the accuracy of a pistol that small would even benefit from having one. I'm sure others would be interested if not yourself. I am an 82nd airborne veteran, with a decent amount of experience with firearms and I appreciate what you do because I do not have the money to dish out for these tests and your evaluations often help me make an informed decision without buyers remorse. You have this down to a science, keep doing what you do.