Helldivers 2 Cutting Edge Warbond Weapons REVIEW... Power Creep Issue?

[@darkintelligence6229]

Localisation Confusion - I've noticed when fighting the bugs, on patrols/agrod monsters that call for backup, they can't call for multiple re-inforcements back to back. They'll do the animation for calling for backup, and a bug hole STARTS to pop, but they won't spawn. So at higher difficutly it slows down the waves significantly.

[@ceelentzpotter2110]

oooh, that's very good. Love that already

[@BeardGrizzly]

Interesting!!!

[@MrBurnthetrees]

I am tempted to get a full squad of arc throwers, Tesla towers and the new armor and just ride the lightning.

[@gm6892]

@@MrBurnthetreesI thought about the ten minute kill the swarm mission just surround the pad with arc turrets and stun turrets and sit in the middle picking off the bigger ones

[@HorusTheGrey_17]

​@@MrBurnthetreesBrilliant!!! I will run this by my team.. This sounds strong asf.Thanks bro

[@wizsword.]

talking about power creep after the first pass is wild

[@Dragonstorm1234]

Especially since the plasma shotgun sucks ass

[@TacynMegan]

Second pass But the free laser gun is clearly made irrelevant by this premium one

[@kubikmushroom2271]

Technically 3rd

[@Roberta-yf4ge]

​@@TacynMeganit was never relevant so no it didn't become irrelevant when it never was relevant

[@johnlesterr8927]

It is entirely possible that this reconcept of laser weapons ultimately gets added to the Scythe if it is proven that people like the Sickle.

[@khorne133]

Also keep in mind the planet you are on with the Las-16. Heat build up on certain planets is affected differently too. So a hot planet it builds up faster than on cold planets. Something else to keep in mind when choosing your loudout.

[@Forgetthereality]

Okay so this is misinformation though granted none of it is explained clearly. The planet temperature has no bearing on heat build up. Just heat dissipation(cooling) Hot planets make them cool off slowly cold planets cool off rapidly You always have the same firing uptime on every coil no matter the planet

[@khorne133]

@@Forgetthereality Fair. But if it takes far longer to cool. You are less (or more likely if it's quicker), to bring a heat weapon. Which is just another neat way to balance and promote using different loudouts for not just missions and which forces you are fighting. But even the very planet you are fighting on.

[@SeudXe]

@@khorne133Realistically it doesn’t matter much. You should keep reloading those heatsinks until you get to the last heatsink. Even then you will likely get resupplies anyway. So you can still take it on hot planets just fine.

[@khorne133]

@@SeudXe it is more something to consider rather than a hard rule. It has its strengths and weakness much like quite a few other weapons. Which is the take away from this.

[@Forgetthereality]

@@khorne133 indeed but the more informed someone is the more they feel like they're making the right decision for themselves whether a minor correction or a major one everyone deserves knowledge especially on the elements around a decision

[@penguyen25]

It's kinda weird how there are 2 medium armors and 1 light armor all with the same armor perks. I'm thinking one of the medium armor sets in the Cutting Edge warbond should've been a heavy armor instead

[@Kratos176]

Armor is straight ass but weapons seem ok

[@Mad-rg9sz]

I assume the armor has that perk because the next enemies the illuminate will have arc weapons.

[@penguyen25]

@@Mad-rg9sz that's true for sure. But I was thinking that they should've had a light, medium, and heavy armor with the same passive so players can have more choices

[@Mad-rg9sz]

@@penguyen25 Yeah that would of been ideal.

[@Annihilo]

It would have made too much sense for that 😅

[@josephswolin7450]

Maybe making damage increase as the scythe gets closer to overheating might make it better / more usable

[@LaserTractor]

Laser weapons need total rethinking. They should be crazy damage-crazy easy to overheat (imo) What they do now is residing in some "worse than regular firearms but conserve ammo" lame-ahh niche

[@Keithslawinski]

that or stack AP levels as it sits on a target. Either would do well. ATM the scythe is just not great, and it doesn't feel like its doing anything different than a worse ballistic weapon. I hope they define beam laser weapons a bit better because the orbital, cannon and scythe all use the same tech, but only the orbital laser really feels like its drilling into opponents armor, and I'd love if they leaned into that theme a bit more.

[@AndreaP76]

@@LaserTractor Why should they "totally rethink" laser weapons when they worked fine for a decade in the original game? I think Arrowhead knows weapons balance better than some random player who would buff everything to the max and would cry for the minimal nerf or something.

[@Arkonoid404]

I'd like to see laser weapons pierce enemies. The scythe should be able to tear through waves of chaff like it's nothing, while struggling with anything more, much like a real scythe lol. The laser cannon would benefit too. It's in a much better place after the buff, but still a little below par. The only thing keeping it afloat right now is its ability to take advantage of a bug to kill chargers quick, but I don't think that'll last forever.

[@nunull6427]

​@GreatHolocopy the laser cannon is absolutely goated rn, but the scythe is just okay. It's what you use to have that "not need ammo niche" while the cannon cools off.

[@pepsiman5724]

Sorry but saying you "think" something might be powerful without using it yourself, is 100% not informative at all

[@ZX-mt2dg]

Yeah making a video about 3 screenshots essentially, with zero depth, kinda weird.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Yeah I didnt find him helpful or informative for other games either. Kinda has this 'meh' mentality to me.

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

Is this your first time on youtube?

[@josht8299]

I agree. This video is a bit of a mess

[@talandar5773]

If you played the first game you would know what to expect. Despite the changes between the games the devs have been very faithful to how the original game worked for the most part and aren't pulling this stuff out of thin air. There was a little bit of creep in the first game but you could always play whatever weapon you wanted- I've done Helldives with the Constitution, which is literally just an M1 Garand WWII infantry rifle that they put in for fun (looking forward to that maybe being added to 2 this Liberty Day). In terms of viability there will never just be one option

[@jacobkoen8994]

I would totally rock that

[@ketz_165]

That sounds like the best scenario to me, I’m coming from warframe and that concept is why that game is so fun.

[@iasked9875]

But still even with the random guns being fun there were just complete meta guns like the trident for example or the knight smg. Still i hope they will make all guns fun in helldivers 2.

[@talandar5773]

@iasked9875 I think they'll balance stuff like that same as they balanced the breaker

[@allthatishere]

​@@ketz_165Warframe has had crazy powercreep over the years, tho. Older weapons are still viable because just how over tuned you can make them with mods and forma.

[@mig0150]

Easy way to balance the Scythe is make it's damage output increase the longer the beam is on. So starts at 300 damage/second but increases say 100 damage every second up until it overheats.

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

Literally the one and only thing to do with any laser weapon is just make it stronger asit fires longer lol

[@DavidGonzalez_97]

This would make the laser cannon op... I like it

[@NeonWolfX]

The way i see the new warbond, it offers more "tools" for the same problem, so you can find your own style to get the objectives done.

[@leonardovelasco5625]

Also, the localisation booster I think is amazing?? I'm not sure long it delays spawns, but I've been using it a bit and I do notice the difference, namely the gap between drops feels longer. Not sure if I'm playing differently or if it's just a placebo. Need to test it more

[@Arkonoid404]

It really does feel good. Someone made a huge reddit post breaking down the logic behind how enemies spawn, and it's a real eye opener. It also makes it pretty clear how this booster works.

[@Urboyyycarlos]

​@Arkonoid404 I was testing the new warbond as soon as it was added and in my testing of the booster it seems to reduce the amount of enemies you have to fight in between bug breaches. Still not a 100% guarantee as I am still running tests on different scenarios,even have the footage captured too

[@nithia]

Yes the Sickle has a DPS of about 680 where the Scythe only has a DPS of 300, but the Scythe is a beam weapon, and the Sickle more or less has the same profile as a Liberator. If you are having to reload it because you let it overheat or you are on a hot world then you might as well just taken a Liberator at that point (580 DPS). So not all that great in my mind. Fun option sure but meh. The Dagger has the same damage profile as the Senator so as long as it does not overheat too quickly it would be the same as taking the revolver to deal with little bugs and such 1 or 2 tapping them and not having to worry about reloading ever. I dont see any issues here with potential power creep.

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

I mean u get 6 Mags with the thing so you still manage to absolutely destroy the liberator in every scenario. Recoil is also practically 0

[@Joseph-mw2rl]

With the current state of weapons, they can power creep for 5 years and it would still be fine

[@Funkloned]

I once heard a good idea for laser beam weapons, like the las-5 or the laser cannon. Keep them as they are, but the apply a debuff to enemy armor. In other words, they reduce the lvl of penetration needed to get through the armor where the heat is. So for example, you shoot the laser on a charger leg(heavy armor), after a second or so the armor is weakened(medium armor), then you or other helldiver can shoot it with a medium penetration weapon. the effect would disappear if you stop beaming the same place after a few seconds.

[@TheMMObro]

The new laser assault rifle absolutely blasts, lol. I gotta update my laser buid video! Honestly, don't be afraid to just reload it. It's not a mistake to reload it if you need to keep shooting, bc it's faster than letting it cool

[@therealmarce440]

Yeah man 6 mags is also very nice

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

It's a good weapon, but is not meta, so saying that this warbond is pay to win is just wrong, not saying you have said this, I know you have not

[@killersniper7267]

​@@ender_z4nd3r83 its also not really pay to win i have like 3k super credits and i haven't bought credits

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

@@killersniper7267 I have 4k and all the super store bought

[@Killer-wi1mr]

It doesn't need to be meta, it only need to help the player to get the job done. If it can kill a little bit of everything fairly well, then it's a good gun

[@Jake-iz2nf]

Make the ballistic shield use a support weapon slot and free up the back pack for laser drone and use the laser pistol. Then that would be sweet.

[@rp2974]

I dont know what its even doing, also “I think it may be really really powerful”. Amazingly informative. Lots of effort.

[@Lawgamer411]

Every KZbinr hopping on this game not knowing what the hell theyre talking about. Typical.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

​​​@@Lawgamer411fr, luckily in a few months only the content creators that actually like the game and understand it will stay, the rest will start making content about the next popular game that releases

[@Malphorus]

I don't think we'll have a power creep issue. That's the whole reason people were screeching at them about the railgun, cause the nerfed the safe mode cause nothing but buffs causes power creep.

[@gerharddamm5933]

I think it’s ok for pass weapons to be somewhat stronger than regular base game weapons as long as game balance accommodates the base weapons and doesn’t make them useless.

[@johnmcshane4463]

Definitely, too many devs put out new content and then either forget about the old stuff, or the old stuff becomes the baseline that everything is balanced around (even if the old stuff isn't balanced)

[@sunskyriver]

Well a lot of them are useless is the problem...

[@LethalOwl]

Except they're not stronger, they're weaker than their bullet counterparts. The power is in the fact that if you are mindful of how you shoot, you can have infinite ammo. But power-wise, they suck compared to bullet-using weapons. I've tried all but the arc shotgun so far and yeah, safe to say I swapped away from the las guns pretty quick.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

Except none of this new weapons are better than the strongest weapons that already existed, they are better than the bad weapons we already had, but the meta weapons before this patch are still the meta weapons so there's no power creep

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

​@@LethalOwlthe sickle doesn't suck by any means, It just isn't better than the meta weapons, saying everything that isn't the best sucks is not smart

[@sircruz7573]

What they have to do with these energy weapons is they gotta give it their own role, it looks like the Cannon is focused on doing big damage on weak points, and the Sickle wiping hoards, the Scythe looks like it’s meant to preserve its heat

[@therealmarce440]

The stun grenade is the star of this warbond.

[@johnmcshane4463]

The fact that the booster basically tells us the spawns are on a timer is wild.

[@killersniper7267]

I mean we already knew that at least i did

[@Urboyyycarlos]

Just to clarify,if you were to wipe out the entire map from enemies,you would still see them either spawn out of thin air or from the edges of the map then patrolling towards your approximate location. This happens with every faction

[@killersniper7267]

@@Urboyyycarlos yep but they also try to spawn in a relatively close distance to u but not on top of u but it happens sometimes

[@RegularBard]

The info for this game just has not been collected into one location like a wiki yet, but if you have the time to trawl all the KZbin videos and tweets with the developers, a lot of the inner mechanics of the game are described. There's a safe period after destroying a drop ship/big breach where they cannot spawn another. This might(?) extend that time, or just make the enemies less likely to call for backup.

[@killersniper7267]

@@RegularBard i think its both bug breaches and patrols cause i noticed earlier from a couple missions a bug called in a breach but it didnt spawn so it might help with that and i had one a bit before that

[@scottroxford5715]

Power creep won't be an issue so long as older weapons get brought up to the new standard but primaries can only be so good, I can't imagine a primary coming out dumpstering a charger or bile titan, that doesn't seem like it's in the design docs.

[@johnmcshane4463]

Would be cool to see something that reverses the primary/support roles. Like a primary that could delete a charger in a few seconds, but then you're out of ammo, completely.

[@scottroxford5715]

@@johnmcshane4463 Maybe but support weapons already fill that role.

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

​right, but you'd have to then create a support weapon that acts like a shitty support weapon and is only equivalent to a primary.@@johnmcshane4463

[@effive7817]

Introducing a higher standard and bring up the bottom is the definition of power creep. You just said "power creep won't be an issue if they power creep".

[@effive7817]

Now that I'm think the phrase you're looking for for your argument is "pay to win". If I replace power creep with that what you say makes sense

[@alexx_ryyan]

Maybe the illuminate will do arc damage hence the new armour passive

[@simplybs9311]

Hint that it could be coming out sooner than we think

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

in a PVE game, you want to feel OP and by feeling OP that means unlocking stuff the lower levels doesn't have. Now OP PVE players can help out newbies

[@thorveim1174]

note about the sickle: its a weapon that existed in the first game, and was widely seen as one of the two best primaries of the game (the other being an energy shotgun), so it feels more like that weapon reflects the one of the first game rather than it being purposefully stronger to create powercreep, and being designed for the sole purpose of being better than other energy weapons. Overall beams were pretty terrible in the first game, and it still the case here (may be duie to how their damage is applied, over time as a burn instead of immediately on impact), so it may just be a case of other neergy weapons needing a buff over the sickle being overtuned. as for this gun, its basically a better liberator, but not overwhelmingly so, so while I expect to see it nerfed because it is a straight upgrade out of the "spin up" delay, it doesnt need much to become a sidegrade (less reserve clips/a slower reload could be enough to incentivize cooling the gun over just reloading to save time)

[@fringehouse]

really looking forward to the arc shotgun. people sleep on the Arcthrower hardcore it’s so good against bugs

[@Mausso]

Localisation Confusion does not affect spawns. It means that the ever-present patrol that spawns to pursue you will be less aggressive, thus giving you and your squad more time to breathe. Spawns will remain the same.

[@HarlockG]

About 'Localisation Confusion': My best guess according to description (non-tested) is that it may increase a hidden internal 'cooldown' of the enemies trying to trigger a Bug Breach/Bot Drops. I guess a cooldown is needed and coded because if not, when 4 players are running arround the whole map shooting enemies left and right, the amount of Bug Breachs/Bot Drops would be insane, so there has to be some kind of limitation/cooldown running in the background. And that booster increases that cooldown timer. I don't think it is - like someone suggested - like there is a timer TRIGGERING those, the only thing that can trigger that are enemies becoming alerted/atacked by the player and not stopped in time.

[@lalalandd123]

used the armor in a game with the tesla tower and it absolutely does not let you tank it, probably because the tesla tower just atomizes you without it anyway

[@effive7817]

It absolutely works on Tesla tower, though I havent tested headshots.

[@XMitrilXPL]

Can't wait for flame,fire based warbond Then we should get fire-resistant armor

[@phoenixv117]

We had fire one …

[@XMitrilXPL]

@@phoenixv117 pretty sure it isn't focused on fire that much The second one has armor for shock resistance But the first one had only some fire themed weapons, and no armor If I remember right they were cybernetics to enchant throw and limb health

[@Adeon55]

Unlike arc resistance for an arc thrower, flame resistance would actually be a huge game changer for the player using flamethrower, especially against leaping bugs

[@Menkii]

Maybe some sort of weapon customization might work, to try and make firearms useful in more specific situations, I think being able to slightly change the stats could keep older weapons relevant. Plus weapon customization is just fun

[@ltmuffler3482]

My experience with the armor and the blitzer especially is that it enabled my team to do a full shock squad. Everyone wore armor from the new warbond and we had blitzers or spitters (or both), with some stun grenades and arc towers to boot, with normal grenades and a grenade launcher to cover things the arc weapons can't. We got very very good at killing anything quickly, and only really needed resupplies for stims and grenades XD EDIT: The punisher, is indeed, effectively a grenade launcher. I don't think it blows up holes though, keep that in mind.

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

It does not. It doesn't blow up anything but enemies, including doors and hatches. But if you get good at projecting it to hoardes you can pick them off quite fast paired with a quick stun grenade

[@joshuamiller7502]

My guess is the booster affects patrols, because if I remember correctly those are kinda the only ones that COULD be effected. Since drops and breaches are caused by enemies and all others are kinda static, less patrols would be EPIC though, they are a huge issue

[@Sikongjun]

Excellent points definitely need to make sure each primary shines for its particular use and feels good to use; player feedback more than data

[@TheRauzKindred]

After me and my friends tested the new booster, its very good when you wanna do stealth runs, overall though it depends on what you feel you need as the difference is noticable but not a make or break to bring it with you or not.

[@TXH11]

Sickle was my favourite primary weapon in Helldivers 1.

[@shank1013]

They did it dirty, I tried it earlier... the heat cooldown is way too long

[@Funkloned]

Mine was the trident, wonder how are they gonna adapt it to hd2

[@sicawhoremanchester6821]

​@shank1013 well when it's allowed to reload and cool down I think the idea is they balanced the heating system to give you infinite ammo between smaller fights and 6 mags to burn through between heavier fights. I mean I have been running 7s all day and have noticed no issue whatsoever never reloading with the weapon and still crushing enemies

[@shank1013]

Like I said will give it another try, but comparing to the treatment to the breaker vs sickle it definitely doesn't represent the power it had in H1, 1300 hrs, trust I know, if the cooling is buffed then we can talk but they didn't do the sickle justice like the breaker imo, one good thing is that they can't possibly nerf it...

[@TXH11]

I think the issue is that you can't upgrade weapons in HD2. At least you can't for now.@@shank1013

[@certifiedwack9042]

Simple math. The sickle has an rpm of 750 and a damage of 55. If you convert the Sickle’s damage into the same units as the scythe which is 300 dmg/sec, the sickle does 687.5 dmg/sec (750 rpm is 12.5 rps, and 12.5 rps x 55 dmg = 687.5 dmg/sec). It’s doing double the damage as the scythe. Still probably not gonna use either but just worth noting the damage difference.

[@chitin122]

My first guess what Localisation confusion booster does is that it extends the cooldown between when bugs and automatons can call in breaches and drops.

[@shoeshine2914]

Hard disagree that the Las is terrible. It’s a great anti-bot weapon. Aim for the head, and they’re instantly dead. Would love if it had some armor penetration, but it’s my go-to primary against bots.

[@thehashtag3776]

This. The game devs are clearly going for a "right tool for the right job", as displayed by the clips for showcasing strategems. There should be no "one size fits all" weapons.

[@Notllamalord]

I bought the first one but I think I’m gonna wait on this one, the theme is cool but laser/arc weapons don’t interest me too much. If I rack up enough credits maybe I’ll pick it up

[@BeardGrizzly]

Power Creep isnt an issue when we will all have tons of super credits from playing anyway. It's a none-issue. It can easily be overblown. This game is the best way to handle it. Period. If anyone complains, they can get to actually playing and jot speed running objectives.

[@jstar3382]

My guess on the confusion on is that it increases the time between drops/breaches. Makes enemies wait longer before they can call in more

[@zenkenubeats3094]

Personally I think it’ll get reigned in pretty quickly or the scyth will be boosted up a bit

[@Xoilen]

power creep is crazy, I don't think there's a single thing in this warbond I'm going to be using over the stuff that was in the game already, it's not that it's super weak, but nothing here is top tier. Stun grenade is really good but I can't afford to use it as a solo player that needs a way to close bug holes.

[@nicxtlevelgaming899]

Laser Beam weapons should build heat (armor piercing) when firing at one spot on a enemy. This would differentiate the laser beam weapons from the more traditional ones. The Plas needs a larger mag too.

[@dakotalupinski1414]

A slight damage ramp up to the the target/area of the target takes as it is hit by the beam weapons could help there damage a bit. One idea was that as the beam continuesly hits an area of armor it would begin to weaken the armor. You could have faster build up on the laser cannon than the scythe but even with the scythe you could be able to heat medium armor to be penetrable by light penetration guns/ your scythe after dropping the armor enough. Laser cannon could do heavy armor as it already does medium armor pen.

[@BlackBlazeGaming]

My guess is that due to the fact that it seems like there's a cap on the number of bug breaches at a time and there seems like a cooldown between them, that the localisation confusion probably reduces how often those will happen. Same goes for Bot dropships.

[@ArnoldMejia]

Stylosa, since you're big on doing monilization right can you bring up that you don't get full value of a warbond if you bought the original warbond and now you want to get the arcade machine that comes with the upgrade.

[@GenzaiHonkaku]

I'd like to see helmets with bonuses, like night vision, infrared vision to see through fog or enemy highlighting. It feels like helmets are just designed to be purely cosmetic at the moment, which is fine if the devs want to just keep it that way. But I feel a little sad every time I check a helmets info and see the default stats and 'no additional bonuses'. They don't even need to be significant bonuses, just something to add a bit of flair. Like a medic helmet could show how many stims other helldivers have left, and highlight their injuries. Which not provide any significant effect to how you play because support roles aren't really viable at the moment, but I would still love to see such bonuses.

[@ryanpower1291]

Idk about power creep. Not sure about releasing this warbond this early. Seems like they are releasing it this esrly because of the power farmers eapecially the onrs who did non stop elimination missions before they were changed. Like you cant have content cadence around people thst are playing the game like a job. I mean if they want to speedrun the game thats fine, but you dont need to cater content towards those people. But maybe they were always planning on releasing this warbond around this time.

[@elained.8240]

There is no power creep issue. Design intentions are that the guns are all efficient at different jobs. People don't realize that the scythe is basically a sniper. Laser weapons cover HUGE distances, and do MASSIVE damage to weak parts. I don't think Las-16 will replace anything, because it is it's own thing.

[@ThrashingMadPLStreamy]

LAS-16 struggles with large numbers of terminids in my experience, much better suited for dealing with automatons IMO.

[@SickVidsNick]

I feel like the sickle is gonna be amazing against the robots. It’s a great medium-long range weapon that can deal with the bots from a distance. The breaker is still probably best against the bugs and against large swarms of enemies, but this is a good answer to deal with enemies from range

[@Malidictus]

On the subject of the Sickle: that's actually exactly what we expected. The Sickle was by far the best energy weapon in Helldivers and a direct upgrade over the Scythe. I'm not saying it's good, just that it's not surprising.

[@Metrikon9000]

Arrowhead really needs to do a TLC pass on all of the primary weapons. Instead of nerfing the most powerful weapon like they did with the Breaker, they need to buff the other weapons up to the Breaker and Sickle's level so that they are really good at what they are designed to do. Marksman rifles feel almost entirely useless, especially the ones that claim to have medium armor penetration. They need to feel better to use so that people actually start bringing a more diverse loadout.

[@wizarddagr840]

How long do these warbonds last for? Cuz itd suck if i spend 1000 den they dissapear like a battle pass in a set time

[@solidusbucket]

Sty is back in my feed and I love it! Stopped watching you since I stopped playing overwatch. Glad you're back.

[@OkIPullUp.]

I used to complete ignore the laser weapons. Found them completely useless against the robots but against the the bugs it's very niche. Its good for taking out the smaller guys so you don't waste ammo which is super helpful when like ten pop up every bug breach. So I'm exited to get the dagger so my primary can handle the bigger bugs.

[@foxfire1112]

I feel that they still have the ability to add boosts for certain weapons via armor. So armor that boost laser weapons armor pen for example. Still leaves options to give weapons a buff that involve strategy

[@Gravefalcon]

Big advantage I see for an energy pistol is that I keep forgetting to reload my pistol. Kind of annoying to swap to the panic button just to realize you played yourself. Obviously still possible with an energy weapon bht less likely

[@Tygur]

it looks like the thing about that final weapon is the infinite capacity, so i assume it never needs reload and cant overheat. would be great to never have to worry about ammo, but depends on how potent the weapon is too

[@Janus1000]

I haven’t used the, what are they called, EMS Strikes and motors? But I feel Iike when I get hit by them I get slowed. It’s hard to know in the chaos of this game if that is what is slowing me down or if it was something unrelated. I wonder if this armor mitigates that as well? Will have to test when home later tonight..

[@natomiltary4573]

Finally I won't die to my teammates arc thrower, I was playing with my buddies last night, and we were more afraid of the arc thrower than the bile titans or chargers! The amount of teamkilling and accidentals was 6 or 7 from one gun. Had a blast 10/10 would do it again, but next time I'll be wearing this armor.

[@Axeice]

I hope they bring back Random Load out again. You didn't know what gun, perks or stratagems you get. it was fun and cool

[@ShaunLevett]

We should get maps where automatons AND bugs are on it and you can third party them in fights etc.

[@kouroshghazvini5592]

Are energy weapons considered arch damage or is it only the lightning looking weapons?

[@lordcabbage1285]

Meta and power creep is built into every game with more than 1 option at any given point. Chess, basketball, and every video game ever made has power creep. Even when you gut "stats" you'll just find other forms of creep that aren't as obvious as some numbers of a games stat page, like what happens in Chess all the time. Better to ask the devs to just make everything at least viable so you can comfortably use your preferred gear. And a bonus question to ask yourself, "Can I enjoy a game without using what KZbin tells me is the most meta?"

[@HarlockG]

About new armor: They should have an additional effect to remove stun from EMS Mortar, Orbital EMS and Stun grenade. I feel like only providing protection to Arc (although very strong) will never be really worthy compared with other armor perks, so it'll end up being gimmicky and not that strong armor pick overall. Giving it that second effect would compensate a bit for value.

[@ShaunLevett]

It's weird that you can avoid damage from the arc tower by going prone. Electricity is famous for loving earth...

[@jacobgonzalez5353]

no power creep, it’s just different styles of play.

[@AMGG]

Will stun grenades be able to close bug holes and bot homes? Hope they do or it will be dumb cause won't be having anything to close those things.

[@Kratos176]

No

[@zSkinUpHd]

I really like how it feels to hip fire this weapon!! nothing beats hosing down bugs. In fact if you run around hipfiring this thing it kinda feels like the flamethrower from DRG Its super satisfying.

[@valorandrews190]

I just finished grinding out the blitzer, It is just a baby arc thrower It fires instantly no Chargeup and then has a short cooldown. It has much less range than the arc thrower and it does not chain. It fires several bolts of lightning but they usually all hit the same target. It seems to do just as much damage as the arc thrower as well, It 2 shots brood commander heads and 1 shots warriors heads. I think I would rather have the arc thrower and a different primary tbh though. The range is a big part of what makes the arc thrower powerful.

[@lc9377]

in my books, a primary must be able to hold its own against a horde, and the support weapon should be able to deal with mid- heavy armoured enemies.

[@Esproth]

I just like having more energy weapons to pair with my Laser Cannon. Especially when I unlock the Las-7 Dagger, I'ma go all energy weapons.

[@jackthereppe822]

It's nice to see you talking about a game that is thriving, like overwatch did back in the day. We can hear the excitement in your voice, keep it up.

[@rightnut6270]

Everyone: The arc resistance armor will help me not die to my own team! Me: *Realizing there are 100% going to me arc based enemies coming soon*

[@vincentdeluca4485]

Scythe just needs rework, Imo it should set things on fire if held on them for a period of time. or the hotter the ICE gets the more the damage/AP ramps up, so keeping careful watch of heat and keeping it hot enough to get max output but not overheating could be a cool risk/reward setup for the gun, could also be a cool interaction with the planets since on a hot planet you get to max damage quicker but its harder to maintain while on a cold planet it takes longer but can be sustained for longer too. With that the sickle is better for Light enemies and the Scythe is better for Medium ones and each have their roles and gameplay elements

[@TallZeratul]

This is like someone giving a review for a film after they watched the trailer.

[@CaptainBlitz]

I feel like this game takes the best of a box title and the best of a live service title and I love it.

[@raidenwesterman4479]

The laser Scythe needs to do more damage the longer you maintain the beam. Right now it does not do enough damage. Either buff the damage completely or give it more damage over time.

[@PopPhyzzle]

Honestly I use the P-19 Redeemer to mow down scavengers and small robots to conserve primary and support ammo. Sometimes I use it to delete raider bots as an oh shit button.

[@barrettbritt]

Idk why an energy weapon has the audio of a standard-ammo rifle. Could have made it sound crazy and it would have been something so small to implement yet really add to the experience of using the weapon. At least its viable, regardless of audio!

[@jrjp01]

I think the Las-5 Scythe needs a buff BUT the Guard dog Rover Does NOT need that same buff.

[@PhoKingCastro]

Las-7 pistol would basically be a sidearm with unlimited ammo. That's the upside to it. Now how it does against targets I have no clue. Unlimited ammo does sound like big upside.

[@Wazzzhappnin32]

I think the sickle is a fun weapon, but doesn't dominate the primary market. Certain weapons are very good vs different enemy types ( scorcher vs bots, slugger vs bugs etc), but I think they really nailed the feel of the sickle and I love it. The scythe on the other hand is okay, but it doesn't cause a lot of stagger like the other weapons which I think is why it feels bad

[@bomjus1706]

if localization confusion meant even ONE LESS bile titan spawning in an entire mission, it would still be hands down the best booster besides stamina enhancement. and people are saying it's even better than that lol. also my problem with the sickle is that it blows the las cannons DPS out of the water. i get the las cannon has medium armor pen so it can punch higher than the sickle can, but the sickle probably has double maybe even triple the raw DPS of the las cannon. it's honestly kinda sad lol. on the brightside though, the sickle is great paired with the las cannon since it obliterates close quarters targets that the las cannon isn't great at dealing with. like hunters/chainsaw bots. it just feels weird in scenarios, for example, a charger charges past me and instead of taking out my heavy support weapon, i swap to my laser assault rifle because it's DPS is so much higher that i'm better off using it to shoot a charger's tail than my shoulder mounted bazooka-laser cannon.

[@CryselleSilverwynd]

While it's true that the new Sickle absolutely dumpsters the Scythe, that isn't so much that the Sickle is a huge power creep. Comparing it to the Liberator that you start the game with, it has some up sides and down sides (mostly the windup time can very easily get you killed) but ultimately is a very similar weapon that fills a similar role. The problem is the Scythe and the fact that it was already power crept by the starting rifle.

[@joshwhite1606]

They should increase the damage and armor penetration of all weapons by 10-20%.

[@gameover_477]

The Sickle was my favorite in Helldivers 1 but after the Breaker/Railgun fiasco I'm worried about how the community will take it. It was a general purpose weapon that felt good to use so no doubt it'll be pinned as a meta weapon but I think against the armored automatons it might be frustrating to deal with hordes or armored enemies. Maybe a good way to make sythe more viable would be to have it heat up armor making it more vulnerable to breaking.

[@ArdentKingsman]

They need to make solid beam weapons ramp in damage the longer on target. Maybe let it melt armor after a few seconds

[@darkehartplays]

There was power creep in the first game and they solved by adding additional tiers of difficulty.

[@ThatAnimalRaptor]

There is no time you would take the sythe in general, it’s not power creep the sythe is just not good

[@antoreowithmilk]

I've used the punisher plasma, and as it is, it's not easy to actually hit with. The rounds move pretty slow and seem to go through bugs at times.

[@achillycheesy7892]

I unlocked the arc-12 blitzer and so far I think it's really good. It has a firerate that is slightly slower than the slugger, but one shots warriors and anything smaller. Spewers go down in 2-3 shots and it can shoot multiple targets at once making it really effective at clearing hunters (as you can one shot multiple hunters per shot). It doesn't appear to go through charger or bile titan armour though and the range only seems to be around 50 meters.

[@ltmuffler3482]

Yep, no arc but it hits multiple targets in its arc. It has a stun effect (use it on an ally with the new armor and they'll stumble or fall), and it technically CAN kill a charger, it just takes forever. A teammate tested it and did kill a charger with just the blitzer. It's the perfect compliment to the spitter which does poorly against enemies in your face.

[@effive7817]

It's really good if you dont compare it to the arc thrower. Unless they nerf the thrower I will never use it.

[@Raldazzar2]

Stun grenades are ridiculously strong. you're thinking too small scale! Stun them.. and you can pull double duty from your support call ins. Stun > call in your support weapon ON the charger.

[@obsurdety]

Plasma shotgun feels like a decent sidegrade to the slugger. You get AOE explosive damage and 96 reserve ammo for the tradeoff of DPS and range. I prefer not needing to aim for the head on spewers and hive guard so it feels like a fair exchange. I'd imagine on the bot side of things the explosive ammo would come in handy against scout walkers but I haven't tried it yet.

[@Richard-sq1ml]

To be honest the only gun that everyone agree on to be good is the sickle. Everything else is niche. We already have solid weapons like the breaker, punisher, slugger, defender and scorcher. A lot of other stuff just needs to be buffed imo.

[@l1qu1dm3t4lIV]

I'm not sure why but the Liberator Concussive is still my favorite weapon so far..

[@Alvadar65]

Its really strange seeing people who didnt play the first game coming into the second game and realizing that the sickle cancels out the scythe. Dont worry about power creep, it was fine for the most part in the first game and I trust it will be fine in this game.