Helldivers 2 Has Changed Its Strategy

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[@ace_ofchaos9292]

Sony: banns the game from being sold in countries without psn Also Sony: “Where are all the players?”

[@DoesNotInhale]

it maintained 240k daily for two months before the nerfs. it dropped to 120k a couple weeks after the first rail gun nerf, and the week to week comprehensive nerfs of all weapons to "a new baseline" which then dropped it to 90k. After the PSN thing it dropped to 50k. People need to stop talking about the PSN thing killing the player count it literally had barely to no noticeable impact compared to the consistent nerfing of fun out of a PVE game. Find a new cope

[@1x1boop28]

@@DoesNotInhale Be careful to consider that past chart preformence is never guarantee of future results and its more than plausable that the game would be seing declines in players regardless of internet outrage, not to say that the internet outrage had no part in it.

[@andrzejkulczyk4378]

So what you are saing is that geady sony refused to take money from them. Dont try to be funny if huge cash was in those markets Sony would revert this instantly. Most of people i know stoped playing due to other games and lack of real progression outside of samples and credit farming.

[@turboturkey7236]

It wasn’t Sony who banned the countries but rather the countries themselves, their laws don’t agree with Sony’s EULA so selling Helldivers 2 now would be illegal.

[@sachxtrem]

@@DoesNotInhale "consistent nerfing of fun out of a PVE game" Now THATS cope. Git gud.

[@R3GARnator]

It seems like there are two different Helldivers 2 games: The one people talk about online, and the one in reality.

[@jordancollins2553]

Can you elaborate?

[@Moss_and_Such]

Deep bro

[@truecaliber1995]

​​​@@jordancollins2553 Basically, despite the sense of collective purpose Helldivers 2 provides, that being a collolaborative effort against a large contingency of seemingly existential threats, there are bugs and glitches, minor as they are, a lack of new meaningful content, and, of course, Sony nuked half the playerbase a couple of months into the game's life, forcing people to create PSN accounts to sign in on Steam. Of course, the Playstation network isn't available in a lot of countries across the world, so most of the playerbase was forced to either seek out a refund or kick bricks. Circling back, people often flock to HD2 for its sense of community. The Reddit threads talking about monumental battles, like the defense of Malevelon Creek, the KZbin videos covering the minutiae of the galactic war, as if it was a real conflict, the elements within HD2 which inadvertently create immersive, role-playing scenarios: It's great. However, beyond that, the game itself can be quite mundane, once the hype wears off and everything has been experienced for the first time. Especially when the inevitable toxicity sets in, what with hosts kicking people with the Malevelon Creek cape, since many were apparently annoyed so many players single-mindedly held the Creek over all other objectives. Then, Hell Divers 2's less noticeable flaws rear their head: Lack of planet variety, most likely due to the limited procedural generation, lack of soundtrack variety --- the same music plays everytime --- the mixed experience that is matchmaking, the distinct lack of enemy factions, etc, etc. Now, to be clear, none of these drawbacks are an immediate deal-breaker. I'm merely speaking from the perspective of someone who became burnt on the game after a while. However, they are still late-game problems, that only further compound upon preexisting issues. Most of the equipment, for instance, can feel extremely situational, leading to most of them being underutilized or ignored outright, most of the armor sets serve little to no function beyond aesthetic value, ship upgrades take forever to acquire --- you need dozens of common, rare, and super samples just to unlock one upgrade --- etc, etc. Most of these problems could be sorted out with time, bringing the game to new heights. That is, if Sony, to reiterate, didn't nuke most of the playerbase. They don't seem to have much confidence in this live-service project. So, it's relatively unclear where Hell Divers 2 will go from here. Currently, though, fatigue has set in, and I'm not sure the 120+ staff at Arrowhead, is enough manpower to keep up with demand. Only time will tell, I guess, but that's where we're at: Perpetual uncertainty marred by initial community idolization.

[@Unknown3DD]

@@jordancollins2553 The people online think the game is dying because of the psn drama, but in reality its the developers killing it with nerfing all the usable guns and not fixing all the game breaking bugs that has been in the game since day one. Not to mention all the new stuff they add are all broken for several weeks before they bother fixing them.

[@Boyahda]

@@jordancollins2553 The one people speak of on the internet is the greatest game ever made but in reality its just yet another live service to throw on the ever increasing pile.

[@jajaja11111]

they need long term progression that is impactful and ENJOYABLE. nobody wants to farm samples while using the same loadout for the 800th time. we need more diverse scenarios that make each weapon/strat meaningful

[@light819]

Yeah, they did a great job translating helldivers 1 into the third person perspective but the way they make guns ends up feeling like instead of weapons customization we just get new guns with minute differences between the two. reminds me of deep rock galactic before overclocks. A fun game but there is only so much replayability you can get with such limited build variety. Hopefully they rethink things to focus on something that will add to build variety and dynamic gameplay experiences. They have a great sandbox but it has to be a changing sandbox to keep people interested.

[@woods0419]

Unfortunately, the devs take comments like yours and say, "oh, he must want us to nerf everything! Will do!"

[@zacharybecker8228]

Also add a 3rd faction already i said at launch the game was unfinished it needed another year

[@CrispBaker]

I think a big error that they didn't account for was limiting super samples to the most difficult missions, while having super samples be necessary for many (if not most) of the ship upgrades. It meant that players hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of upgrading their ships, but that's the only real long-term upgrade path that the game has. So players are forced into difficulty modes that they aren't ready for or comfortable with. Then they sought out whatever advantages they could find, and because the devs were so fixated on those missions being impossibly difficult, the whole situation went to shit.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

Specially when there's so many glitches, crashes and disconnection issues standing between you and the extraction I lost cout of how many samples I have lost to random bethesda level bs

[@ryanvacation7319]

The ban on sales in 177 countries did not immediately decrease the player base because those who purchased the game before the ban could still play. However, over time, players take a break or inevitably move on for various reasons, and new players are essential to maintain the game's player base. Without the influx of fresh blood, the number of active players will decline over time. I live in the Philippines and been recommending the games to friends. 12 friends and family of mine want to play Helldivers but can’t buy a copy on Steam.

[@daviddobarganes9115]

Maybe with a VPN? ( I am speaking from total ignorance)

[@testPK]

The balance team didn't get the memo that this was a PvE game. It's a great way to get players to leave by just making every weapon feel weak and every mission as unfun as possible.

[@nostradamus1331]

"The community found a weapon that works reliably and have been using it frequently, better neuter it so the next time they log in and try to kill anything they feel like they're using pea shooters, that's sure to have them coming back!"

[@Dajudge06]

Exactly this, we get a weapon that actually lets you have a chance during higher diff missions, better nerf it! Look at all the new weapons and strategems we have added! Too bad because the loadout never changes as it is the only thing that is effective. Seriously need to loosen up on the weapon nerfs as me and a large amount of us in a discord we played alot of Helldivers 2, it just becomes too stressful to play higher difficulty rather than feeling challenging. We just dont play anymore or play one mission and get stressed out.

[@Proto52]

doesn’t help that the hype for any future warbond which is considered premium content is deflated out the gate because we expect them to ruin anything fun or even useful within 2 to 4 weeks after something new drops

[@Sinaeb]

@@obamiumprime173 if everything was viable maybe people would use everything?

[@nostradamus1331]

@@obamiumprime173 There is a reason people migrate to certain choices, instead of destroying the top choices , uplift the less used choices. When the precedent has been set that the devs prefer to nerf viable solutions instead of buffing alternatives it tells your player base exactly what they need to know. When you find something that works that you like, it will likely be taken away from you. Sounds like I should just give my time to game devs that have half a brain instead of throwing myself at a brick wall of bile titans with nothing but long cooldown strategems to deal with them.

[@Hellfire918]

For me it was the Balancing Issues, guys it's a PvE game not a PvP game we can have overpowered weapons here & the over 177 Countries that are still banned from the game because Sony wants to be Sony

[@GeekyDolphin46]

The problem with this is everyone expects their primary weapons to kill hulks and punch through heavy armor. I for one believe that weapons should only be buffed it people aren't really using them. On top of that, everyone uses the same shit. Try new stuff.

[@BloodDX2]

@@GeekyDolphin46 Thats WHY people use the same old shit. Because nothing else is even remotely viable in the majority of cases. People dont want the guns to kill hulks, they just want their guns to not feel like absolute peashooters that do fuck all

[@milomateer6565]

@@GeekyDolphin46nobody expects a primary to kill a hulk but I would expect my primary AR to kill at least more than 1 or 2 berserkers without reloading

[@snarkyjoe3556]

​@GeekyDolphin46 WE CANT TRY NEW STUFF BECAUSE MOST WEAPONS SUCK ASS! If you aren't running a build that has options effective on all enemy types (swarms, armor, anti-air) you're gonna have a bad time. Arrowhead is so incompetent they released weapons that don't work as intended or are weaker than already available ones, then nerf the stuff that does work.

[@milomateer6565]

@@snarkyjoe3556 every bullet loses one dmg when it leaves the barrel for no reason. If it says 150 dmg it will do 149 so enemies with 150 hp need 2 shots

[@BeastlyMussel61]

Maybe don't nerf everything with a usage rate above 5%?

[@bokathedragon]

they literally buffed everything back up once the ceo went back to being in developer room he buffed everything

[@TheIlumintor]

they basically turned back and fix issues.

[@8bitArtist]

​@bokathedragon yeah but redrocket actually doesnt play the game anymore(if ever) so they wouldnt know that

[@theneef174]

@@8bitArtist And they stopped doing this because of how annoying it was to have a favourite gun and see it get dumpstered.

[@yukioacumora4430]

It's funny as hell because now the "never nerf" mentality is being replaced with "nerfing was good, actually" in the wake of JAR and Incendiary Breakwr being so good people feel they are too oppressive of options to warrant bringing anything else. It all really is just a flat circle lmao

[@whatever3554]

I stopped playing Helldivers 2 when they started nerfing everything left and right and I felt I had no real solutions to the threats the game threw at me. At which point enough was enough I just moved to other games. Only thing that will bring me back is a group of friends calling me back in and hoping I dont get to fight with a water pistol.

[@Poprocks392]

The nerfs have stopped, most of the weapons and stratagems that were trash got buffs, and enemy heath was reduced so if that’s the main reason you left I really recommend you give it another shot especially since there’s a major update coming on August 6th

[@user-lv8dn8gw9z]

​@@Poprocks392 but the buffs didn't match the nerfs Enemy hp was reduced but enemy density was upped at one point

[@tofuteh2348]

I swear people talk about current helldivers 2 like it's a completely different game. I jumped back in after a month and a half of not playing and it just feels better compared to launch. Weapons still feel fine and I don't really notice any feeling of being underpowered compared to the first few weeks of playing. I can't even tell what was nerfed except the rail gun because everyone and their mother was using it with the shield at the beginning, making things really boring.

[@typowynieogar]

​@@tofuteh2348congrats mate, i feel asfucked at anything above 6, swarms of heavy devastators, berserkers needing full attention at all times, tanks requiring multiple orbital prec strikes, if they hit at all, and a constant threat of loud minority that will kill me if i dare say the game isn't perfect

[@tofuteh2348]

@@typowynieogar it's just social media nobody is going to snipe you chill. I play around difficulties 6-8 and I would say I'm generally pretty mid at games. I didn't say I was having a cakewalk, I'm saying I don't notice this giant shift where somehow helldivers at launch was this masterpiece of video gaming that would save the industry and helldivers today is some crippled unbalanced mess where people seem to be jumping out of their windows because a gun deals less damage. To me the current version of the game feels like the best version compared to back when all everyone was using the same loadout. I can't even say get good because i myself am not good, I just think people are already being nostalgic with Rose tinted glasses over the launch version of the game which was pretty bad.

[@TwoSevenX]

I think I'm going to try the "don't give a fuck about obvious marketing project posed as a game" strategy, I hear it has really high penetration in the emergent spaces.

[@xanhaxs]

Nothing is worth the money now a days

[@stronensycharte64]

"emergent spaces" god i hate corporate language

[@ViciousDeliciousIV]

If only

[@Nostradevus1]

@@xanhaxsSome Indie games are for sure.

[@homelessEh]

hd2 is an alright game best enjoyed with friends.

[@A_Sneaky_Boy]

Helldivers 2 is one of those games I can safely say was more fun when it first came out and the few weeks after then it is today. The first few weeks were some of the most fun I've had gaming in a long time. We were overpowered, the bugs and bots were overpowered, and we clashed and it was glorious and fun. Explosions everywhere, bugs parts and bot scrap flying everywhere, getting pushed back, pushing back by dropping a 500kg. It was so much fun, that first railgun nerf was the beginning of the end. We didn't know how good we had it until it was gone.

[@tehrickles1447]

I think I'm just done with live service models as a whole at this point realistically. Each iteration feels closer to wanting to be a full time job and it just feels a bit silly to pay someone to put in a full shift doing something. Games with an organic feeling ending point are a true treat these days.

[@Coconut-219]

not to mention they all come with "season pass" & premium microtransactions like it's a F2P game, but full priced so its the worst of both worlds.

[@jawhoneytv]

They’re making real jobs look more appealing. Not gonna get a job but still, jobs looking like real life video game now. We are real life now.

[@OutLanderUSN]

This has always been my issue with survival/crafting games. There's rarely any real direction or objectives beyond "stay alive" or "build x to get y." Most of it is just wandering around until you happen upon a random objective that you knew nothing about.

[@Relhio]

I mean you're playing a live service game and don't like the fact it keeps asking you to play? It's almost like that's what they are designed to do. Far too many people go about gaming the wrong way. Don't follow the herd and play what's popular, just pick a genre you like and try out the thousands of obnoxiously good games made by smaller studios or single devs with a passion and you'll get what you want. Helldivers 2 is fun for 30 hours, after that you've seen everything that there was to see. Once you're able to solo objectives and meet players that can do the same, every mission is the same. It was the same with the first game for me, I did every mission on every difficulty, beat the faction bosses and stopped playing. In 2, I just facerolled difficulty 7 missions and decided that anything above was just a waste of time with no extra reward, so the game was done. Don't come playing a gear treadmill like WoW and then complain it's not structured like Hollow Knight... go play Hollow Knight instead.

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@derricklawrence2800]

"A game for everyone is a game for no one" -Arrowhead

[@kampfer91]

It can go both way really , a game that only cater a few is a game not for the majority .

[@hariman7727]

​@@kampfer91the problem is we have a vocal minority who wants the game to be broken with two weapons that outshine everything else, or guns so strong that we might as well be using one-hit kill mods, so they just whine and whine and whine and whine instead of learning how to play.

[@nahfr.]

I just want guns like the penetrator to get a damage buff​@@hariman7727

[@hariman7727]

@@nahfr. Shot placement and mission/enemy targeting. The Penetrator does best against certain armored enemies, which is what it's for. Understanding which enemies and where to shoot is what's needed.

[@loganvelasco1889]

It's a really dumb saying when you market the game as live service and deliberately make the game less fun for 90% of the players

[@dnakatomiuk]

The issue with Arrowhead is they don't have a big enough team for HD2 it's balancing is now totally fucked because of some idiots who felt they had power. New weapons that came with the Warbonds would be nerfed 2 weeks later. It's not dying at all players have just walked away until something new comes, this new content may bring some back but I doubt it will get anywhere near it's highest numbers ever. They really need to fix the performance on PC they really do and to not say anything with this new content that any fixes are coming for PC is a joke. The PC had it's problems and yet it's were the most players are

[@ethansnyder3401]

I played the game a lot when it came out. Played just over 200 hrs. Downloaded it again about a month ago and the game was practically unplayable based on my previous experience with every weapon. Nothing felt like it did before.

[@kampfer91]

They should have read the memo on who they gonna hire , if they did they would have notice one particular infamous dev with his peculiar approach on balancing .

[@Shedovv]

@@kampfer91 Who are you talking about?

[@kampfer91]

@@Shedovv Ex hello neighbor dev .

[@sgtjerry2001]

@@kampfer91 isn't someone else in charge of balance now ?

[@roam3d151]

To be absolutely fair; Arrowhead still does the "surprise" thing here and there, although far more spaced out. For example we got the X4 Commando with one of the last Major Orders. They literally went "Oh hey, we just found some old tech from the first war, have fun!".

[@mf--]

Did the non-PSN countries ever get access to Helldivers 2 or are they still cut off?

[@MrBoop4345]

They never brought it back. Sony let the player base think they won, but in the end the players lost.

[@nebufabu]

Nope. You can't even see the product page.

[@bart_fox_hero2863]

@@MrBoop4345 I thought Sony actually stopped the requirement but steam kept the game pulled

[@maskharat]

The people that already had the game bought can play it in those 180 countries. But the game is pulled from the market place in those 180 countries, so they can't buy it. sooo, those who paid can play, those who want to pay can't.

[@irishjedi66]

​@@bart_fox_hero2863Sony decides what's available on Steam.

[@BloodDX2]

My main gripe with the game that drove me away was the fact that enemies are effectively endless and your fighting amounts to nothing. Most times you are better served endlessly running and kiting enemies, hitting the objectives and bailing which is honestly boring. If enemy presence was actually reduced by destroying bases/fabricators/nests/etc; it would feel like more of an actual war where your kills mattered and taking part in actually fighting the enemy would have some kind of impact on your mission/game.

[@Poprocks392]

So…what you’re saying is that you don’t like hoard shooters and was doomed to walk away from helldivers 2 from the start

[@hariman7727]

Play on a lower difficulty until you get used to wiping out enemies quickly. Also, sometimes disengaging from the fight is the best option because you're getting overrun.

[@Whatisahandlev2]

⁠@@Poprocks392no no, he wants a FUN game for once helldivers turned into doggy and contradicted everything it tried to do

[@BloodDX2]

@@Whatisahandlev2 Thank you. I don't mind the concept of retreating from a fight to have to draw enemies out or fight from a better position. Such tactics are commonly used in war; but the fact the enemies are endless means doing so accomplishes nothing beyond giving the enemies time to spawn more units to evade, run from & kite.

[@mayroepstorff7239]

​@@BloodDX2 but Helldivers are special forces, you don't expect seal team six or such to take and hold territory, you send them in for HVT's then extract them, in the same way Helldivers are meant to shape the battlespace so the SEAF can complete their duty of take and hold

[@watchonjar]

this is not natural HD2 playerbase is falling off a cliff becuase of bad balancing. Its not that enemies are two hard its that there is often no counter play, and so due to how armor works in the game if you have the wrong weapon then it doesnt matter how good you are you are fucked. This leads a situation in the mid game where, paradoxically, the more weapons you unlock the less option you actually feel you have. The solution really is just to give everything a weakspot and/or to put temporarily usable heavy weapons in various places in the map to offset you not choosing them in deployment screen.

[@DoesNotInhale]

facts. everyone has all sorts of cope about it but the fact it maintained 240k daily players for two months when it had no metas was proof of that. It fell off a cliff after all the nerfs that led to the first rail gun nerf. the only people who still play it are literal cattle

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@DoesNotInhale they made guns more viable but not to where it's fun like it used to be

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@metarugia3981]

@@doomslayer9513 "Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic" Every game ever made is repetitive lol. There are no infinite ways to play a game. "Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns!" Been playing since day 1, haven't spent a dime and got all the weapons and gear for free just by playing. Paying is optional, you can acquire everything in the game by playing.

[@npcimknot958]

They need to fix the crashes and stuff still.. get rid of that anticheat

[@Kid_Charlemagne]

It’s still crashing every few games?! 😂😂😂

[@justanotheropossumchannel]

​@Kid_Charlemagne yeah. If I sit down on my day off. I might get one full campaign total. The rest are me or the squad disconnecting and just giving up. First game was like that too.

[@Blackbirdone11]

​@@Kid_Charlemagne not really dont had a crash in the last weeks. Some friends had one or two but nothing thst matters. Its not solved but i mean even cod crashes.... so... thats the baseline

[@metro4noww]

Yes no one is talking about the terrible performance, countless bugs and glitches, and bad weapon balance

[@Rin_Nya762]

@@metro4noww thing is, alot of people are talking about it, but its being shut down in some instances by the fanboys. i stated 1 thing i disliked about balancing and got roasted cause "we dont wanna be op" even though what i stated was not stating we should be op. i said fun, but still challenging. and apparently wasn't good enough. sooooooooo i guess if the game isnt near impossible with shitty balancing and frustrating anti-fun changes then these people dont like it. i dont get it. i just ditched the game cause balancing was horrible and the community is a literal cancer cell.

[@OneWayTwoBrazil]

Helldivers 2 has an egregious balancing issue where the game becomes borderline unplayable due to artificial difficulty and easily changeable number balancing. Live services often aren't afforded a second chance to leave a lasting impression.

[@stronensycharte64]

As a high level helldiver player, its a massive issue that i dont feel drawn to use ANY shotgun, shotguns fucking suck and feel bad to use.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

It was so much better before they killed stealth and gave the enemies massive accuracy increases back in the March 6th patch

[@mattm3023]

​@@stronensycharte64 Wut? The "meta" for bugs is the breaker incendiary dude. Go watch Takibo, he crushes level 9 solos with it

[@MrSolus-ls6us]

@@stronensycharte64 Bro what are you talking about....? Shotguns are literally the only good weapon especially in helldive. Unless you don't consider Incendiary Breaker, Plasma Punisher, and Dominator as shotguns then I understand. I still miss the slugger.... What primaries do you main?

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@MrSolus-ls6us Incendiary Breaker is a meme versus bots, if you genuinely think that it's good on bots, you need to re-evaluate your choices and bring something in that can kill the heavy armour spam because chaff ain't the problem.

[@DroidFreak36]

What would bring me personally back to it would probably be them removing the region restriction. As long as it remains in effect, it'll sour the game for me.

[@thedankestdungeon8091]

Than you'll never play Helldivers 2 again man lol. Sony will never let that go now, they've actually made multiple steps to make sure that the psn requirement is even for single player psn games on Steam, God of War, Ghosts of Tsushima directors cut. Those SINGLE PLAYER GAMES are banned in all those 200 regions, because those countries, unlike america for example, have higher standards for ones personal data and privacy, and regulations are bad for business so they don't want the hassle. They have basically said that everyone in those 200 countries are subhuman and are not worthy of their glorious data scam service. Its wild man.

[@light819]

unfortunately that is out of the devs hands. Sony gets the final say and they said they don't consider those regions and countries worth their time.

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@thedankestdungeon8091 Ghosts of Tsushima does not need PSN to play the singleplayer, only to play their co-operative online mode.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

The price of playing in a US majority market They'll bend over 270° and 6 times over, so everyone else will have to do the same or walk away

[@FullchanAnon]

​@@Ashen_Night116 still can't buy it in my region. * raises jolly roger *

[@SuperChaoticus]

Those three giant 'tentacles' are straight out of Half Life 1.

[@stronensycharte64]

I FUCKING KNOW i screamed about that IRL when i saw it

[@MrSolus-ls6us]

Based it will always be the best half life

[@ezyfnef]

A LOT about this games seems like something picked up from other games. Halo, division 2 etc

[@stronensycharte64]

@@ezyfnef the devs literally said it's an amalgamation of all their favorite IPs

[@mabybee]

@@ezyfnefas Plato said, all artistic creation is a form of imitation.

[@npcimknot958]

Honestly i wish they would just fix the bugs first.. make sure it works on all devices.. the fps drop is a huge problem..

[@decwow]

Fps drop is the least of my concerns. -Controls randomly ceasing to function in load out screens -HUD randomly turning off and requiring a different button to turn back on each time -the game reverting to windowed every other time that I load it -the game loading getting stuck on falling hell pods screen with no way to back out ... there's a lot more

[@Daethzonez]

@@decwow crashing or disconnecting towards the end of a mission is still a pretty common issue this long after launch....

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@Henbot]

They need to make the busy work meaningful, so come up with story arcs and an actual narrative progression that makes people not feel like their battles are pointless

[@Andyisgodcky]

If they let planets stay liberated for more than 12 hours, that might help too.

[@biggestouf]

According to leaks, there is a story roadmap for the game. Just depends on when they release stuff and if the technical team can fix the game while introducing new things.

[@bravefastrabbit770]

@@biggestouf Let it be an offline campaign. Fuck these shitty live services.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

But wasn't that the whole point and theme of the war, that you're just a tiny expendable cog in a war machine that only contributes a tiny amount at a time?

[@Yukikaze.Arknights]

​@@norrecvizharan1177it's not the tiny amount at a small time. It's the ceaseless see saw over the same part of the galaxy over and over. They should let us progress the fronts bit bit bit then flip the table with one major event rather than letting a planet overrun just after it was liberated.

[@Coconut-219]

I don't see "Removed: community managers" "Removed: PSN account requirement on Steam" or "Removed: kernel-level malware" anywhere in the patch-notes anywhere. it's DOA chief.

[@Poprocks392]

the PSN requirement was removed it’s permanently optional now and the problematic community manager (Spitz) was fired for his unprofessionalism shortly after the PSN drama

[@Tetragramix]

The anti-cheat is such a non-issue really. We would have seen the negative effects of it by now if there were any. At most it might hurt game performance a bit.

[@Nitroband]

Wayfinder actually did something incredible and took the game off sale, and then put their heads down and released an update that completely rewrote the game into an Offline Game with Online Co-op... Which is what Payday 3 is struggling to do. I think Wayfinder getting blindsided by DE might've helped the game, because its looking up for it. THE MICROTRANSACTIONS ARE GONE AND ITS NOW EARNABLE LOOT.

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@veldie7411]

​@@doomslayer9513nah edf clunky af

[@chilbiyito]

That was a good call the game now won't be lost media like so many others

[@artkemono]

"What would bring you back to HD2?" Permanently and irrevocably remove the (currently unenforced but give it time) PSN account linking requirement, open sale of the game back up to the countries and territories it once was available in, AND rework the game balance to make the game the awesome fun experience it once was.

[@Proto52]

This trailer is: “look at all the new things the enemies get to make the game harder and kill us more” and nothing for us to use or be excited for to even the odds; on top of having a lackluster arsenal that the balance team ruined, perpetuating a meta that they claim to steer away from. Not sure what the plan was with this update. I’m hoping to be surprised

[@casualbydefault]

No clue if it's meta but ive neglected all my weapons in favour of the autocannon. Feels like a good primary with the peak physique perk.

[@chefboyjc9439]

@@casualbydefault I pretty much ever since release not used anything but the scorcher, since its the only primary i've used that can consistently put down a single basic bot in one shot and devastators in a mag without needing pin point accuracy Everything else i tried was either completely useless or nerfed to be useless a week later

[@casualbydefault]

@@chefboyjc9439 For bots I bring autocannon with the sickle as a backup or for small dudes. I alternate between grenade launcher pistol and the revolver for style points. Scorcher got nerfed (or armour on tanks was buffed) and now it takes slightly more than a full mag to break a tank (all I used it for really).

[@kujokage4611]

i got no problem with harder bugs as long as they dont fuck with my guns lmao

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@kujokage4611they nerfed our weapons but buffed the bugs

[@membranealpha5961]

i stopped playing helldivers when it became clear they had no intention of doing proper bug fixing.

[@npcimknot958]

After the updates it just crashes none stop can’t even open the game.. andthe massive fps drop is still a huge problem.. and they went on vacation.. they need to fix th bugs.

[@Henbot]

Erm, you seem to be disingenuous. They said they had to either make content or slow down content to fix bugs, but a live service needs constantly to be making money. I am sure they are working on bugs, but they also need money.

[@SovietUnion_]

@@Henbot bruv, its been how many months? Some bugs that were in February are still present TODAY, and more bugs were introduced with more patches. Disingenuous where??

[@Nayr090]

I get the bugs are there but for me, the game is fun enough to where I can overlook the bugs. And they don't get in the way enough for me to bash the game.

[@Play_In_Traffic]

Y'all talking about bugs, this game is NOTHING compared to the actual AAA games that release with a $70 price tag. Yes, they are owned by Sony, but they were still given autonomy. Unfortunately, Sony fucked them.

[@IcyBloodFyre]

I am still playing daily, despite being max level and having everything unlocked. 9s exclusively, with randoms, it's fun to just know that every next match will be potentially different. But I think all the weapons need major buffs, otherwise what's the point; boosters (the yellow hexagon things) need rework, and bots time-to-kill reduced since it sometimes doesn't matter if you're behind cover, they're gonna flinch and ragdoll you through faulty terrain.

[@DuoMaxwellDS]

What stops me from joining the game? The fact that they still don't want to sell the damn game in my country.

[@Tetragramix]

Stop living in the third world.

[@Sorain1]

Unless they fix that, I'll end up never going back to play it. Either the linking isn't happening, in which case they should be selling the game in those countries, or they are just waiting to do it later.

[@micheljolicoeur6094]

The PSN linking issue definitely caused longterm issues with player counts, not only for Helldivers 2 but for ALL future Sony published games. People like myself who at the time had not bought Helldivers 2 but had some friends playing it, then seeing Sony's actions are now not ever going to buy a Sony game on Steam. As such the PSN Account linking will have an ongoing detremental impact on ALL Sony published games going forward.

[@codyskyrimvolen]

the devs kept nerfing my interest away so i figured they just didnt want me to play. seems im not the only one who feels this way

[@1x1boop28]

The only sentient take in the entire Helldivers community.

[@arizonaanalog389]

That snobbish elitism the devs have never left they're just masking it for the moment to squeeze more money out of the remaining player base. Once things calm down they're gonna go right back to making the game in their vision again

[@venimx]

There are 2 reasons I dont play Hell divers anymore. One is the constant nerfs to guns making it just not fun. The second is the grind is so boring now. It was fun when I had a ton to unlock and a ton of things to do but ive gotten everything and done every mission type and difficulty a hundred times over. Other than some warbonds that give some ok cosmetics and a mid at best weapon there is actually nothing for me to do other than just grind for literally nothing.

[@BAMFZone95]

I'm in the same spot. After hundreds of hours. I want to put even that many more into it. But even the post nerf era just demoralized me. I knew after they nerfed railgun shield pack combo that people would drop. And that the dent head responsible for nerfing wouldn't stop in the name of spreadsheet numbers. And it only continued to get worse. At the end, I'm grinding for nothing. There's a cap on samples. A handful of guns I actually enjoy using. Bugs and crashes.

[@elfireii328]

@@BAMFZone95 ah yes. Alexus. Progenitor of Hello Divers 2.

[@yukioacumora4430]

Well they fixed the guns for thr most part, and eith escalation it looks like you might get some more progression to add to that. They said they have big things they haven't spoiled yet for thr updste and I'm expecting a good bit of new toys to unlock and play with.

[@elfireii328]

@@yukioacumora4430 no they haven't. The scopes on all the snipers, including the AMR and HMG (arguably the guns that rely most on accuracy) are still broken.

[@kujokage4611]

@@yukioacumora4430 the guns are still worse than they were pre nerf and whats the deal with the super california compliant mags?

[@atariplayer3686]

The thing that gathers people together to play these PVE type of live service games is simply family and friends being able to enjoy their time and play as a squad of 2 or 4 to defeat an enemy an unlock some rewards!

[@charles5212]

In regards to the warframe segment, I am pretty sure he was not CEO when wayfinder was being dropped

[@DredPirateDanku]

I’ve never stopped playing Helldivers. My playtime has gone down for sure but my friends and I still meet up on weekends.

[@DoesNotInhale]

docile cattle

[@bentaihananas4169]

same, been playing it off and on because of work and other stuff.

[@Battledongus]

@@DoesNotInhale Get a life?

[@Tetragramix]

Same

[@Tetragramix]

@@DoesNotInhale Just like all gamers.

[@horst_gott]

Reading the comments, because of: -unfun game rebalancing in PVE -game crashes/ disconnects -meaningless grinding -cancerous anticheat -Sony, PSN I don't think i am even going to start. I was cautious at launch and it seems I dodged a bullet for just about everything except core gameplay and maybe not outrageous monetization.

[@guy3295]

You should honestly reconsider, from my experience it is not that bad (except for it being banned in multiple countries that sucks, but arrowhead cant change that). The game is worth playing

[@theDARKlordFLUFFY]

The Sega incident revolves around a KZbinr named Syber Bolt and a community manager for their game Phantasy Star Online 2 named Gwiz, Gwiz is not as innocent as this video is making them seem. Both are guilty of inciting retaliation on each other and Gwiz has in the past been a very questionable community manager.

[@theforkedman3030]

Sony: Block 90% of the player base. Also Sony: Why isn't the game making money?

[@Tetragramix]

Most of the playerbase is in USA by a wide margin. Many of the countries on the list don't even have national power grids and struggle with starvation on a national scale. There is likely less than 20,000 players in those almost 200 countries.

[@danielawesome36]

​@@Tetragramixno

[@faxywastaken]

Stop whining about PSN, it literally barely impacted the games playerbase

[@NosePickinNed9714]

​@@faxywastaken Oh fucking bullshit! Over 100 countries were blocked from being able to play the damn game

[@faxywastaken]

@@NosePickinNed9714 said countries barely even have internet access let alone the money to buy helldivers lol

[@Ghost-bv7kl]

Maybe when they buff the weapons back to playable state and variety. One can only hope.

[@FilthEffect]

They did that like 2 patches ago my guy....

[@ajgriffith9371]

@@FilthEffectnope! over 40 primary guns and only 5 of them are viable.

[@R3GARnator]

There are more than a dozen primaries that are great for Helldive difficulty. People who think otherwise just never want to try anything.

[@RauschenPauli]

@@ajgriffith9371 so its better then it was at launch.

[@ajgriffith9371]

@@R3GARnator 🚨loud incorrect buzzer🚨

[@VanillaButterscotchIceCream]

I can't even play the game in my region still...

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@VanillaButterscotchIceCream]

@@doomslayer9513 I have played EDF5 and i agree. Just scared to try EDF6 due to reviews

[@Tetragramix]

Then live somewhere else.

[@VanillaButterscotchIceCream]

@@Tetragramix ez

[@VanillaButterscotchIceCream]

@@doomslayer9513 ive played EDF 5 and enjoyed it. 6 has bad reviews so im just going to say im happy you enjoy those games

[@archangelkatano]

The issue with Helldivers 2 is a ton of compounding issues. 1. Constant nerfs and stupid changes. Remember when the devs wanted to change how ricochets worked and then when the Eruptor's rounds hit an Automaton shield all the shrapnel would launch back at the shooter instantly and kill them? No reason that had to happen and their fix was to remove the shrapnel from the rifle instead of revert a stupid and pointless change to a system that didn't need to be changed. Then there's the railgun nerf which drove the weapon to bottom tier. Weapons getting nerfed because they're good at one thing or another. Weapons constantly being brought down instead of raising up underperforming weapons. 2. Delusional design goals. The devs have stated before they don't want a meta. What they fail to understand is a meta always forms. Unless you have a game with 1 gun and 1 enemy. The moment you add a second gun one will be better at something (damage, range, recoil, etc) and that will change what players choose. A game with no meta is impossible and they have this insane idea that it can be done. 3. Grind. With every warbond the grind gets bigger and bigger. With every ship mod added the grind gets bigger and bigger. At a certain point players just get tired of getting maybe 10 medals on a mission when they need hundreds to get through a single warbond. So many Major Orders keep failing that they don't even serve as a good catch up mechanic for newer players either. Waiting a week just to see the MO wasn't achieved doesn't help anyone. 4. Major Orders are boring. It's always just defend planets, attack planets, kill X enemies. Nothing feels interesting and when players have attempted to do something different, take planets to cut off the automaton forces, Joel cranks up the control decay rate on the planets and the players lose. We don't get to make decisions on anything. It's like playing D&D with a bad DM, you're going to do the dungeon their way or you're going to lose. Any creativity is punished. 4.5 Bad rewards. We're never going to get the anti-tank mines. They're either put behind additional planets vs the second and far easier objective or there's just no value in them. Why take a mine field for vehicles when EATs are 70 seconds and do the job far more consistently? 5. Lack of testing. Weapons come out weak, new mission types are broken or near broken, upgrades only work for the host or only don't work for the host. The sheer amount of bugs is astounding. It's at a level that there should just be a public test server to hammer this stuff out. Yes it hurts the excitement of new thing dropping but I'd rather it work when it's available to everyone than have it drop and be broken for the first few days to a week. 6. Content drip feed. A couple weapons a month maybe isn't a good way to sustain players. I haven't played in nearly a month because there's nothing for me to do or care about. Yeah I could get the turrets target whatever you ping upgrade but I don't care. Grinding away to get orange mats isn't content, it's busywork. 7. Lack of customization and depth. A lot is missing from the game that would ultimately make it batter. Helmets having bonuses. Weapon customization with attachments like different sights, magazine sizes, and grips for recoil control. HD1 let players upgrade weapons which would help a ton. Armor bonuses are the same few bonuses done a million times already and it's boring, fan made armor mods and systems have shown a ton more depth and incentive to use stuff like heavy armor which is still lacking in value today. 8. The Sony overreach. I'm a PS player so it doesn't affect me but I also think it's absurd to see a ton of people willing to pay for the game and Sony goes "Nah, we want them to make a PSN account. If it's not available where they live then that's their problem." Quite literally leaving money on the table for a stupid reason. 9. Enemy depth. A new charger with a fog cloud isn't interesting, it sounds like a last minute design someone came up with. We need larger more impactful concepts. Think the Nemesis System but legally different to avoid WB. Automaton commanders who pick a world to make their fort and they make pushes to different planets and the worlds they attack get unique modifiers like one commander might have a tank bonus so all worlds it controls have increased tank spawns but reduced gunship spawns, or greatly increased infantry but reduced vehicles. Then the fortress world gets a special assassination mission where players fight a boss, enough completions of the mission or taking the world "kills" the commander and a new one can be rolled. 10. The engine. Helldivers 2 is built on the Stingray engine, an engine made by Autodesk and which was discontinued in 2018. Yes it's a modified engine and they have experience with it but perhaps there's a reason it was dropped 6 years ago and nobody uses it? They would be better off using a more mainstream engine like Unreal 5, it has a ton of support, there's documentation for pretty much anything so issues can be resolved very easily, and it's pretty easy to work in. Fixing any one thing doesn't fix the others. Some aspects are potentially outside the realm of possibility of the game right now if ever.

[@arizonaanalog389]

One of the few people with common sense. The devs have massive ego problems and it showed by them thinking they could run this game on a dead engine. I quit playing and am just cynically watching, but come August 6th and 8th, that dead engine is gonna rear its ugly head and that known issues list is gonna be the size of an encyclopedia. The devs have been ignoring it and the community has been ignoring it but its about to be something that can't be ignored

[@dswan3753]

One thing that really annoyed me about the helldivers community was every redditor kept saying “Helldivers is live service done right” even though pretty much every major problem the game has stems from it being a live service.

[@johnnytheone3811]

Who would have thought that constantly nerfing everything like its a competitive game would drive a big number of players away,combined with the content that nothing new has been added,its all ported from the first game even 6 months later,and even those updates take a month to release,also having a crazy amount of bugs and crashes,seeing that they dont do anything about them or are taking a lot of time to fix them and in turn ship even more newly created bugs and the extremely repetitive gameplay loop with nothing to make you waanna login after 40 hours,its bound to die. They were so sure about the way they handled balancing,look at them buffing now,too bad its too late,it will never have big numbers of players again,even those new additions have been leaked from March.

[@kujokage4611]

its almost as if they buffed every other useless gun i might consider using it but no they need to take away what makes my favorite guns useful and nerf it into the ground (i miss old punisher)

[@Poprocks392]

@@kujokage4611didn’t basically everything get buffed when the viper commando update dropped

[@hariman7727]

It's called balancing. There were literally broken weapons that would kill the game, because if things like the railgun and other weapons had stayed how they were there would be no need to use anything else. I've actually been playing the games, and I joined after the nerfs, and all of the weapons are perfectly fine because I've seen people use every single weapon effectively. It's a matter of adjusting your play style to each weapon and learning shot placement while also learning how to maneuver around enemies.

[@NoAddedWater]

@@hariman7727 yeah most people complaining about the balancing don’t know what Helldivers is actually about, where they complain about dying all the time they forget about how we’re literally expendable, and if they just keep buffing other things instead of nerfing then everything just gets more and more overpowered and more and more metas are introduced. In the current state of Helldivers people use literally every single stratagem (with the exception of smoke) and load outs vary massively from group to group. If we get into an endless cycle of buffing we just become another live service game where everything became overpowered and no longer fun.

[@hariman7727]

@@NoAddedWater the funniest thing about your reply is the fact that I met a guy a couple days ago who loves using the smoke strike, because it can actually destroy fabricators if you get the stratagem ball in the right spot. I have a certain loadout of stratagems that I prefer, but even then there's times that I will change it up if there is a modifier on the mission like the orbital scatter, or on a bot command Base mission I will take the walking barrage. So yeah, every single stratagem sees use.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Game developers won't have to worry about harassment from gamers for much longer because they're all going to get fired. Make games for the fans or your studio will get the axe.

[@am5812]

They should add a cover mechanic and add indoor areas where we can’t rely on stratagems but just tactics. It would freshen up the game so much mixing there’s missions with what’s already offered.

[@gizoid5526]

Yeah this feels too little too late. On top of the Sony PSN stuff, they always make the content no fun allowed with how they balance the game, and their PR managers are nutjobs on power trips that will ban anyone who questions their creepy interests

[@TheSugarRay]

Film Crit Hulk has this fantastic piece about Internet communication that reaches back to the dial up days, that says that Internet chat was always terrible, toxic, and hostile. It is a consistent through line and the changes happen in user perception.

[@lazydgsf7429]

I don’t think there is conflict there. Saying they eject too soon is not the same as never calling it quits.

[@lionbreaker0852]

I mean, Helldivers 2 is still getting that drip-feed of content in the background. It's not as highly publicised, but we did get an entirely new mission to destroy AA cannons on the Automaton front.

[@i_am_dusky113]

I can bet they’re going to nerf guns again😂 and then give us another throwing knife to toss at hundreds of bugs

[@LaserTractor]

But muh game is not for everyone! B bu but you are supposed to die!! It's fun!!! Come on plaeyers? It's fun!!

[@ELTT1]

Imagine nerfing in a pve game

[@LaserTractor]

@@ELTT1 yeah. When on release instead of fixing bugs they nerfed railgun into the ground - it was first sign for me to get out. I stayed till they nerfed Eruptor🤣 That was just a total breaking point. "Let's make weapons usable, not fun" or something like that💀

[@yukioacumora4430]

What's hilarious is thr never nerf mentality is going away as people complain that JAR and Breaker IE are too strong and too easy mode. The HD community is really a joke sometimes with how bipolar it wants to be about thr most mundane of things thst no other community kicks and screams about.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@LaserTractor It's a shame ya didn't stick around, cause then they got the memo and started buffing things after that. Even actively went "yo, you're not using the precision strike like intended, so we decided to make it even better for how you're trying to use it"

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

Im surprised they don't have a dev blog, also it baffles me more people haven't learned from DE example Warframe is literally the only live service game to last over 5 years

[@CashewChickenEnjoyer]

Well Rainbow Six Siege is nearly ten years old so that's objectively not true but Warframe is definitely the best live service game on the market in my opinion.

[@OP10thNakama]

As many people claim that the game is "dead" Overwatch is still getting decent players.

[@Bulkyninja]

@@CashewChickenEnjoyer Path of exile enters the chat that game will not die from steams top 10 chart to this day.

[@MessiahOfSwag]

Payday 2 lived for around 11 years a testament to how it's service was

[@OP10thNakama]

@@Bulkyninja POE 2 looking fire also.

[@Shedovv]

What would bring me back? Them re enabling sales in all the countries Sony gave the middle finger to. And balancing not making all primary weapons feel like wet noodles.

[@Holycow94WoW]

Omg! I used to watch your WoW videos back around the time of Battle fot Azeroth! I retired maybe 4 years ago after a 12 year run, but it’s interesting seeing you covering my new favorite game!

[@taxman3749]

The problem with the no market releases, was that the conversation was switching away from how great the equipment potentially would be... Instead, everyone was discussing how it would be nerfed.

[@Rift2123]

actually been enjoying Helldivers 2 again recently jumping in with the boys an the new update is keeping us excited

[@olencone4005]

9:30 "I doubt it will be PvP. I don't think they're set up to do that." -- Oh, there's PvP. There's not supposed to be, but there is. It's the main reason why me and everyone else I knew quit the game, we all got tired of rando gankers joining the squad with the sole intention of just killing everyone and making us fail the mission.

[@CrimsonReach]

Honestly if they had a real freedom unbound update where they reversed every single player side nerf ever I would come back. That game was fun once before they just started wildly swinging the nerf bat at anything that worked well.

[@abysswatchers3098]

Real talk enjoy the videos, keep up the good work man. Always enjoy putting on one of your videos while gaming or just taking it easy

[@gunnarvennemann7613]

In my opinion, what would give Helldivers a sense of wanting to play it again is definitely some kind of progression system. Either a ranked system based off of kills, revives or strategems. Perhaps a cosmetic line for killing a number of a specific elite, for example; you kill 200 bile titans, you get this unique gear. I think a yearly rank update will bring back this sense of "having the high score" in a game that's global is a cool way to keep people interested in being good at the game and playing it to their best.

[@elfireii328]

Im still of the opinion that the simple boosters like Health, Ammo, and Stamina should just be ship upgrades that are always active once obtained... it lets us actually get creative and use the other boosters without loosing out on the objective quality of life those 3 boosters give you.

[@Poprocks392]

Ammo should be reworked so that instead of giving you full ammo it’ll give you an extra mag stim and grenade on top of your full set that way the punishment for not bringing it isn’t as heavy

[@KsnypsAdventures]

They didn’t advertise new content because they didn’t need to. The game was hype enough. Now that the hype is gone, they need to bring it back by advertising new updates. And with advertised updates, people won’t have outlandish expectations and won’t go hating on the devs if they aren’t met. Same with the straying from the „slow drip” of content. They saw that one new stratagem in between warbonds isn’t enough to keep the dwindling playerbase happy for long.

[@Bigol_Jimbo]

EHHHHH... I'm not sure the SEGA lawsuit is a good thing. Yes, the lawsuit is taking place entirely in Japan, they have their own legal system and laws and I don't know enough about them to tell you if they're the dystopian nightmare that the UK is right now... but all we're hearing from news media right now is that it's a harassment case and sadly the word harassment has become incredibly subjective these days... so we have no way of knowing if that harassment was actually straight up doxxing, death threats, constant earnest attempts to induce a suicide or whatnot... or if it's just a dude being an asshole in the more normal way saying the work produced by someone he doesn't like is garbage. If it's the latter, then that's a slippery fucking slope, because I'll happily rant for hours and hours about how BGS Austin should have just been completely dissolved years ago and FO76 handed over to ZOS who actually stand a chance of bringing out the potential in that game while keeping it in-company. Should I get sued for expressing that opinion?... knowing BGS Austin's community management, they'd probably think so. And if the dude actually broke pre-existing laws in regards to doing more than just slander or hurting feelings, then I feel like that at least needs to be explained rather than just "if you hurt developer's feelings then you go bankrupt"

[@Deniecu]

I want more content, ofcourse. But you know what's top on my wishlist for Helldivers 2? Fixing the friends list so that I can invite my friends without any faff from within the game. Then bugfixes would be nice, fewer crashes, performance improvements. Yes new toys and new enemies are cool as hell, but those other things? Top of the list.

[@0taku912]

How about they fix the game already. Each patch the performance gets worse and the known bugs list gets bigger.

[@Poprocks392]

Yeah having the “know issues” section in the patch notes be 10x longer then the fixes section is frankly embarrassing

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@membranealpha5961]

@@doomslayer9513 you copy and pasted the same thing like a thousand times

[@kiiper13]

I feel people are going to flock back to it, I’ve always been dialled into the gameplay and story, and I’m super excited to see the new enemies and fortresses, plus I can see them surprising us with the illuminate in the future

[@KenetorTV]

a new plan? is it to give the non PSN countries the game back, if not my bad review stays and the game stays uninstalled

[@mushafasa]

Same!

[@thatoneguy1741]

That’s between Sony and Steam, not arrowhead

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@Battledongus]

@@doomslayer9513 did you just sleep though the other predatory shit other devs do or are you just a troll?

[@Tetragramix]

@@Battledongus He is copy pasting that comment on every other comment. Don't bother and just report for spam.

[@XionSteel]

I think the best strategy that hell divers 2 could use right now is removing the restriction that they put on 3/4 of the world for the psn requirement that they backed out on.

[@TJcreations91]

I'll reserve judgement on if their plan will work or not, that being said if the studio sets up a proper discourse and community channel i might jump back in a bit more. Aside from twinbeard i dont like how unprofessional the community mods have been, and yes i have the others blocked on steam and such so that i dont have their stupidity ruining a fun game

[@thermiteturtle3486]

I enjoy helldivers because of how they partitioned its gameplay. I can jump on for an hour and a half and complete one operation (3 missions, 2 long 1 short) and feel like i accomplished something. It doesnt compel me to keep playing, so I can log off feeling good about myself, which is something most modern games don't provide (to foster "I need to play longer to grind/improve" mindsets)

[@Random_dude_77]

We dive together or not at all

[@Tetragramix]

Ok

[@jordangoodison9673]

I work as a User Researcher (the tech equivalent of a Games User Tester) for a large B2C retail ecommerce company. I spend a lot of time empathising with our end users and relaying their pain points and unmet needs back to the business. I’ve never felt unsafe or exposed to toxicity from our customers… that energy primarily comes from the business itself, shutting down and undermining both the end user and the value of customer feedback and user research. But as a general rule of thumb, it’s much easier to put your head down and ignore user feedback in Tech.

[@Nanuki_]

Let's hope they bring it back up to launch levels of players.

[@Henbot]

Let's not because they barely could function with it

[@LaserTractor]

To 400k? Never Game is trash now compared to what it was on release

[@Daethzonez]

Even if they added the Illuminate and fixed every single bug, I doubt they would get close to their launch numbers. Too many things have soured the game's reputation at this point.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

I do think some people take things too far. I also know that there are many people in "industry" that call any type of negativity "harassment". So that 91% isn't shocking(or really any of those numbers), but it also isn't indicative of really anything. The great example of the SBI Detected listed was called harassment the moment it came out even though the curator didn't harass anyone.

[@perilousintent2936]

91% of devs? really? when devs talk on twitter they can't take criticism on how certain games are supposed to feel and be? It's not like they've destroyed popular game franchises reputation or anything. *cough 343*. I doubt that its harasment as that devs can't take any criticism. Not only that but the forced narrative of DEI injected in every public company that makes video games makes players very angry. Like.. Ever heard of a demographic? you cannot appease everyone. So you pick a group of people that like your product. These guys are like selling makeup to male audiences. It doesn't work. That's not what the game is supposed to be. It takes the immersion out of a fantasy world.

[@ZAINAHMED-ro6xb]

The new plan : Not insult our playerbase to their face

[@metro4noww]

I'm VERY excited but man helldiver's 2 is about to be more buggy and unstable than ever lol. Not a single mention of game stability, bugs & gameplay glitches, or balancing. Why ignore tech improvements in promo material? How is it possible to drop all this content on summer break and still fix the massive list of day 1 known issues? Also enemies getting bunch of new vehicles and enemy types, increased hordes, but we still don't have vehicles and apparently the games resources can't handle more than 2 mechs being called in by each player in a team of 4. Yet again enemies getting buffed and we get more mid gear. guess ill wait for full announcement but man i have a bad feeling were gonna stuck with what we got for a long time.

[@Poprocks392]

CEO and creative director have both stated on twitter that stability upgrades are coming in the next update and I agree that it’s dumb that they didn’t include this info in the promo material

[@NoAddedWater]

@@Poprocks392 I mean technically it was in the blog but like no one read that so….

[@Durzza]

when i got banned from the community for not liking furry art, i stopped playing the game. its not made for me. its made for lgbtq players, hope they sustain yall

[@jurassictyrantkingYT]

Microsoft Account reach=180 Countries. PlayStation Network Account Reach=69 Countries. Even though Microsoft doesn't give a crap about Xbox it's kind of sad to know that Sony doesn't give a crap whether people have access to the game or not. Personally I blame PlayStation 4 the decline of helldivers 2.

[@Tetragramix]

The game isn't even on PlayStation 4.

[@jurassictyrantkingYT]

@@Tetragramix I know, It's a substitute for the word "for" because I like to even use the number 4 certain words that sound very similar.

[@flamevale4422]

I was taking an extended break till they fixed the performance issues. I hope the update really stabilizes it.

[@Tetragramix]

Doubt it, but i'll play anyways.

[@JGComments]

Plot events like a Super Earth battle won't bring people back en masse if they don't shake up the actual gameplay. They need new enemy types, new guns, new planet types, new mission types etc., and they need to roll out several of these at the same time to move the needle.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

3 of the 4 things you mention are in the update.

[@JGComments]

@@HasekuraIsuna yeah I'm aware, I'm an active player - they just need a lot MORE of it.

[@Poprocks392]

And for the love of all that is holy start addressing that “know issues” list some of the stuff in that has been there since launch

[@hariman7727]

​@@JGCommentshave more patience than a ferret on sugar begging for more.

[@JGComments]

@@hariman7727 Facts are facts. The rate of change isn’t high enough. Keep your insults to yourself.

[@rumblefishization]

New ressource to collect to do the following things : an Upgrade system where you can customise your weapons the way you like; Regulated Super Earth Brand colors dyes that you can unlock by playing and apply on armor for maximum Democracy. Upgrade Skill tree for Stratagems

[@Gigawatts-fw3cc]

I hope helldivers devs will add fun into their weapons. Overtuning them in PvE game was a deal breaker for me personally and some of my friends.

[@justanotheropossumchannel]

Yup. It straight up killed the game. The bad thing is, the same devs are the dudes in charge of that now. So at any point, their intrusive thoughts will win and they will nerf the living hell out of stuff.

[@Gigawatts-fw3cc]

@@justanotheropossumchannel I still don't understand why they didn't went with making more enemies or uplifting other weapons to make everything viable. But no, let's nerf guns people love and pick, railgun is good example of that. They literally said that it should be sniper on crack and last time I check anti material sniper was much more viable, killing the idea behind railgun as powerful gun that can kill you. And it all concluded that nobody from my friend list (~20 people) play it anymore. Everyone seems to moved on.

[@1x1boop28]

Not everything has to be viable in helldive. Helldive is a herdest gameode that requires covering all bases in order to be successful in a mission. Wereas most players play lower diffuculties.

[@Gigawatts-fw3cc]

@@1x1boop28 I'm not talking anything about helldive difficulty. I'm talking about broken weapon design in a shooter. Why do we have multiple assault bullpups that basically the same gun with different stats? Did arrowhead fixed railgun to what they envisioned it to be? What throwing knives excel at and is there a point taking them? I just want fun guns and fun mechanics around them.

[@1x1boop28]

@@Gigawatts-fw3cc Eruptor, adjudicator, exploding crossbow, liberator concussive, liligence counter sniper, punisher slugger, those primaries are all very unique and fun to use. Railgun is still very powerful, but now is more situational as a medium support weapon to anialate medium targets, hence the fact that it is a reloadable support weapon that doesnt require a backpack. Throwing knives I dont know what they were thinking. Then again I guess all my fun cas come from crafting loadouts that cover all bases wtih primary, secondary, grenade, and stratagem. And leaning to heavily on any one of those while intresting would be a gimmic that the game is clearly not desighned for.

[@joshholland9473]

I think having fewer players playing is a good thing for a game like this. Doesn't mean it's dying. There are MMOs that have similar player counts and are doing just fine

[@Kid_Charlemagne]

A day late and a dollar short.

[@hariman7727]

2 weeks early and begging for your parents' money. Stop expecting miracles and actually play the game.

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@Whatisahandlev2]

@@hariman7727 with that mentality it’s gonna be a dead game real soon👍

[@Kid_Charlemagne]

@@doomslayer9513 the microtransactions aren’t as predatory as the rest tbh. It took maybe a day of playing with friends and I had all the stuff from the first one. Repetitive though, oh yeah for sure!

[@Tetragramix]

@@doomslayer9513 You are literally posting this on every comment.

[@originaldarkwater]

"More money, less bullshit" probably doesn't apply to community managers, though. Even experienced technical people are having a hard time staying employed right now, so the industry isn't going to make exceptions for what they see as the bottom rung of the ladder and, being a position that doesn't really require a bunch of training until you're in management (i.e. managing other community managers) where you're removed from direct customer interaction, anyway, I don't really see that changing. That having been said, if companies were more open to doing something about customer complaints and were transparent about their plans when it comes to changes they are making, they would make their community managers' lives a ton easier.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

Where did all the mfs who told me Steam would have the game up again on all those countries in a matter of weeks go to? I hope that at least they are enjoying the taste of sony juice

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

They're too busy hyping up another mediocre update to the game

[@hariman7727]

Send your complaints to Sony instead of whining here to people who can't do anything.

[@Cuthawolf]

Props to Sega. These lines in the sand are going to need to be drawn more often.

[@johnodarod9629]

PSN took out I'd say 2/5 of the helldivers another 2/5 from slow update, un-fun balancing, bugs/glitches, and horrible mods/managers Also please think about the PSN with steam clearly. 180 countries that are banned cant buy the game in steam thus reducing the amount of new significant players...

[@mr.dynamite1]

What if we sold a game but didn't let anyone buy it? What a dastardly brilliant plan!

[@Tetragramix]

@@mr.dynamite1 I think everyone bought it.

[@hypll]

helldivers needs a true progression system, one that feels extremely rewarding and that makes you feel like you are genuinely increasing in ranks, reputation and power

[@rrc3]

They made incredibly bad decisions with their community/mod team, they wildly suppressed the discord, and people left and will not come back.

[@WillHuizenga]

I started playing this again recently and it feels pretty good! Need to get friends again.

[@twoeyes]

I have over 90 hours in this game... I quit playing for about a month and came back to try it about a month ago, ran an automaton map and I got blown through the ground about 15 times, lost all my samples under the map, ALT+F4'd and haven't been back since. I really think this game is built on a flawed technical architecture (discontinued engine by Autodesk) and I don't think they'll ever get it to work right.

[@jasonred7698]

Two ideas come to mind, assuming they fix all glitches and weapon buffs. First, expand to a vehicle class. You can't call any stratems, but you can do mechs, light vehicles, maybe aircraft. 2 have an opposition mode so that you can have players controlling the bots or bugs for the match, kinda like an Evolve deal. It doesn't impact the overall war effort, but I'm sure the devs can find a way to make it rewarding. You could also attach an app to the phone as well, like EA did with the battle commander.

[@nicholascruse2041]

Helldivers needs to take steps to add more to the game that isn't related to the missions, ship flying or customisation.. visiting your home on super earth... I feel like a lot of people got bored of the grind real quick.

[@YourBlackLocal]

None of what you listed actually would do anything to elevate that grind.

[@haloninjax542]

​@@YourBlackLocal Not everything has to be about the grind. When I hop on to play it's about "doing my part" not grinding to the next warbond or ship upgrade. I get that wouldn't effect those things but a little narrative or thematic role play stuff would go really far with the community IMO. At least for those if us who like to get immersed instead of just playing it like a normal game.

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@haloninjax542 Where did I say everything has to be about the grind? I'm saying the things mentioned specifically will just be ignored after a couple hours, because they don't actual add to the game in any meaningful ways. Just make actual game modes that focus on random and fun elements of the game that are separated from any loot grind.

[@haloninjax542]

@@YourBlackLocal I didn't say YOU said everything has to be about the grind. I'm saying that I don't think everything has to be about the grind. As in even things that don't "elevate" that grind but DO help people feel a part of something greater might add more fun to the theme. Variations in "the grind" I think are an absolute must but even silly little things to just make you feel more immersed as a player is really important to me. I'll do any endless task if I'm immersed enough. That's why I used to play battlefield 3 or 4 even when it was the same game mode and same few maps. Probably could have worded it better though lol

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@haloninjax542 "Not everything has to be about the grind" Is indicating that they only believe that everything has to be about the grind.

[@El_Sparky]

As a Helldiver, tradesman, father, and husband… I still enjoy the game. Also as someone who is a WoW player and have been on a six month hiatus because of life and just being busy, Helldivers 2 is actually the game for more of my audience. The people who can’t sit down and constantly grind out hours and hours and have to worry about item level or get prepped for raid with mats, flasks, or gear. It’s a load up, grab the boys, pick your load out and gear, drop in, and spread some managed democracy. Where it’s not an issue of gear but skill and tactics. When the events happen (TCS, the Mechs, Redeeming the Creek and the “final offensive” against the bots, Meridia, the Anti-Tank mines we’ll never get, etc) we know we don’t have to feel left out because it’s still going on when we log on. Now some of the Major Orders of “kill this many absurd number of bugs here” a lot of people don’t care if those get finished at break neck speed because that doesn’t really push the story further from that stand point. Most people just want to be a part of the story, and that’s what I’m getting to. When the game dropped we had the server issues, PSN, multiple bug issues, and even the community starting to turn on its own because of this “gimmie gimmie” mindset. Honestly, since Johan stepped down and focused more on Helldivers 2, which is his baby, there has been a change. The patches that are coming out are not as knee jerk reaction as before when they were half baked. It’s coming out and solidifying a foundation to build upon. Everyone says player numbers this and that, but it’s the middle of the summer. People have jobs, it’s nice outside. The game’s been out for for six months roughly, still doing fairly decent for a Live Action service, Arrowhead is splitting the shifts for their national Summer Break, and they are still actually active with the community and listening to us. No one expected Escalation of Freedom to be announced during their summer break, especially with the amount of content that they showed and even admitted that there’s much more hidden behind the curtain as far as story, enemies, and customization. If Sony would pull their heads out of their ass release the 177 countries for new players to join, that would be awesome. If the rumored Xbox merger with HD2 coming to game pass happens, hell yes (not holding my breath but hell yes). If the third faction comes before Autumn or in the middle of it, that will peak interests as well. I’m having fun and that’s what I look for in a video game. If it gets to a point where I have to treat it like a job, it loses its luster. But… this is my two cents

[@MoonLitChild]

Thanks for being an adult about this. It feels like everyone has the same two complaints when it's more just meant to be a pick up, play, have fun, put it down for a bit type of game. The people who seem to complain about being bored are the ones who really sound like they don't have much else to do??

[@El_Sparky]

@@MoonLitChild that could be it. But even Arrowhead has said “take a break and come back when you’re ready” if I remember correctly. But, some people just want to grind out a game all day like it’s a full fledged story mode game like a God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, RD2 and then wonder why they are burnt out and don’t like the game. In this particular instance… you’re in the middle of an intergalactic war. One or five missions isn’t going to liberate or defend a planet where you can go elsewhere with the story progressing forward. “Play the way you want to play” has been one of the arguments/conversations the community has because some don’t understand that mindset it seems. But again, these are my observations

[@doomslayer9513]

Helldivers 2 bored me to death, it's extremely repetitive and generic every mission is exactly the same! Not to mention it charges you $10 plus tons of hours of grinding just to unlock 3 garbage guns! It's predatory and absolutely disgusting that you people are glorifying it! EDF 5 and the recent EDF 6 are so much better and much more fun to play! At least those games literally give me 5-10 new weapons after a 10-15 mins mission and each one of those weapons are more fun than anything in Helldivers 2! 😂

[@El_Sparky]

@@doomslayer9513 to each their own. And they have addressed the quality of their warbonds, which I do agree were half baked and were always being tweaked with balancing let alone functionality which then hindered the release or quality of the next warbond. I haven’t played EDF5 or EDF6 so I couldn’t tell you the comparison. But also the $10 drop for the warbonds are something the player could purchase or grind out to get the currency in game. Just because you purchase the new latest and greatest warbond, doesn’t give you the gear advantage to complete certain objectives or scenarios like a gear or dps check that some games would have. Are there things that could be improved? Without question. But that also goes for every game that’s out there. Not everyone is going to enjoy every game, nor should they. "A game for everyone is a game for no one. Always cater to a select audience.”

[@SomethingAbstract]

Lemme get some of that copium

[@Dajudge06]

Personally I would like to see them let off on the nerfs, if anything alot of weapons need buffs as my loadout is basicly the same with only minor changes depending on if Im doing bugs or bots. When you need to farm the higher tier samples alot of those higher difficulties just become stressful rather than feeling challenging. I play one or two missions and just quit playing from being stressed out. In my discord of friends it has become a well used phrase that "fun" is not allowed in Helldivers 2 and anything of the sort will be nerfed to death 😂

[@Maggpieify]

Treats their entire costumer base as subhumans and publicly condemn people in gaming for guilt by assosiation or by gender/skin color with the backup of games media. "oh no people are more toxic towards game devs", gee I wonder why, shocked pikachu much.......... you treat your costumers and fans as disposable subhumans, you get them acting like disposable subhumans. Its a two way streat.

[@armyant1242]

I legitimately think the other approach is better. However, they handled the game balance and health of the game, so poorly. It burnt a lot of people out when they got to higher difficulties.