Helldivers 2 Is Being Destroyed by Sony (Mass Refunds, Removed from Steam in 150+ Countries)

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#games #gaming #2024

[@Phaevryn]

Corporate saw that some of their customers were actually having fun and they immediately decided to put an end to that nonsense.

[@endlessstrata6988]

"This fun stuff does not appear on any of our spreadsheets. Put and end to it NOW!"

[@CharlesUrban]

It was making the $70 AAA garbage look bad, and it wasn't woke enough, so it had to go.

[@computervision557]

Nobles do not understand what the people (customers) want

[@aethertoast4320]

​@CharlesUrban well the video game division of Sony is based in California does make that remark check out.

[@xenosfur]

To corpos, people having fun means you are more tolerant to BS. They miscalculated this time tho.

[@OmgItsLeaa]

Sony is once again showing its true colours. Anti-consumer.

[@MikoYotsuya292]

They are pro-consoomer

[@Oduwuini]

@@MikoYotsuya292if they were pro-consumer, they wouldn't force this on anyone

[@nazgulsenpai]

Kinda like when Microsoft made everyone create MS accounts to play Minecraft

[@itzYonko]

​@@Oduwuinishut up consoomer.

[@nazgulsenpai]

Consoomer is a pejorative for someone who compulsively consumes regardless. He is correct.

[@stynkus]

As someone who has worked for a major game publisher for almost a decade; I can tell you exactly what happened. Someone very high up on the Sony corporate food chain probably saw the numbers and went "Why isn't our PSN Initiative implemented in this game?" Got told why; then went "Get on it then!" And that was probably their only interaction with the situation since. Because the people making these decisions are insulated from reality by a bubble of corporate bootlickers who scurry around making sure nothing bothers the Great Minds running the show. And when things blow up, as they usually do; they double down on what their metrics tell them will make the greatest profit... because at the end of they day; that's all they really care about. Everything else is meaningless to them. And when those Great Minds run things into the ground and get in trouble; well, they have Golden Parachutes lined up to cushion their fall while everyone else around them get screwed. Gotta love corporate culture.

[@alexlowe2054]

This is exactly why the community has been so vocal about pushing for the orbital review bomb. By hitting Sony in publicly visible metrics, you force them to adjust their course. I'd bet that sales of the game have completely dropped off a cliff over the weekend, the game can't be sold in multiple countries (probably Valve's actions), and I've already seen a large number of people get refunds. Any one of those would be cause for concern, but all of them together should be sending alarm bells throughout Sony. Especially since around 70% of the Helldivers community is on PC.

[@ShooterPat]

Working in the tech industry, this is exactly what I've heard from the execs in my company who have been getting pissed at all the yes men. I had a meeting recently where the CFO flat out said: "If what I say is a bad idea, tell me so I can squish the stupid idea."

[@KeirnothVT]

​@@alexlowe2054Don't forget the refunds. Now they are LOSING money.

[@dominikbury2]

Actually they wanted to implement mandatory account linking from the start but due to traffic and the tech problems that resulted from it, they disabled it shortly after launch. At launch it was actually impossible to log in from the same 121 countries that Steam has now refused to sell the game anymore. What's baffling is that Sony allowed these people to preorder the game before launch, and then buy it after that, even though none of them should have been able to log in from the start.

[@Darca1n]

@@dominikbury2 It was also not enforced for months, it's safe to say people have precisely zero forgiveness for being effectively deceived for months on end.

[@Marbeary]

"just lie about your location or use a VPN" - in China they could arrest you if you use a VPN in China.

[@voidimperial1179]

Also against Sony's TOS

[@endlessstrata6988]

"Just take extra unnecessary steps to play a game you used to play just fine."

[@deadbeef576]

And if Sony finds out you use a VPN you get banned anyway

[@SurplusMarket]

@@endlessstrata6988”just stop playing a game you enjoy because of outrage you’ll forget about in a week”

[@borkguy]

Who cares if Sony bans you guys you already couldn’t play…

[@zahreel3103]

How to ruin your successful game 101

[@samholdsworth420]

Hopefully the gaming community grows a backbone actually steps up and stops playing the f****** game... But they won't. The gaming community is full of weak people

[@kyotheman69]

Sony knows this well, they do this every time

[@Michal-my7lk]

@@kyotheman69 thats their signature move U can't have shit with PlayStation PC LLC

[@Jhunta]

sony wrote the rule book for how to destroy a successful online game back in the early 2000s w star wars galaxies. they are the pros at this.

[@WunderWulfe]

making more money by making less money: sony

[@delindsay]

I spent a quarter century in the Cinema Industry and can state AS FACT that Sony is a shit Company all around. When they got hacked and emails went public of the execs shitting on Actors, Directors, etc, Sony instead of apologizing made life WORSE for Exhibitors (Movie Theaters) across the board. All the sudden they started requiring money up front for Films instead of the usual BOR agreements that had been in place for decades. Certain Theaters could no longer get their Films, just all kinds of shit practices because they were big mad they got caught with their dicks in their hands.

[@autobotstarscream765]

And this was how Soyny of Commiefornia, murderers of the Senran Kagura franchise, chose to ingratiate itself to the Hollyweird they simp for. #SonyCheck #CancelPSN #NoPlayStation6

[@kyotheman69]

most companies are shit companies, why people should stop white knighting them, but Sony are run by morons, PSN isn't accessible by every country they should know this, if game should of ran on PSN that should started from the start only 69 of them would of access it, since rest can't it wouldn't of been listed on their Steam listings

[@JMastura]

What a scum company, hurting other peoples businesses like that is messed up.

[@platty9237]

Modern corporations be like, “I AM ALTERING THE DEAL. PRAY I DON’T ALTER IT ANY FURTHER.”

[@WhatWillYouFind]

Rossman: The Rapist mentality

[@gareth7574]

Best comment

[@alexandra2014]

I heard this in robot chicken Darth Vader voice 😂

[@ekki1993]

No such thing as a good corporation. They only have better ways to manipulate their customers now.

[@_Just_John]

Hail piracy.

[@pufflonn]

Amazing how many gaming studios/publishers have been seemingly intentionally trying to kill all goodwill with the people who buy their games and make the companies even successful.

[@D0NU75]

likely out of touch investors pushing down on sony to do this.

[@aznfoo]

*cough* activision and EA *cough*

[@friendlyroughai3319]

because they know, even tho the game are shit they still gonna make money by selling it to normies

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

If the future is indies and AA, that would be a good thing.

[@kyotheman69]

this isn't dev's fault this all on Sony, they forced this shit

[@DemoNova]

My initial thought was just, why not simply keep the PSN linking optional and those who link could be rewarded some super credits or a cape. Seems like we're on the same page there.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

If they sign in with a PSN account they can get trophies... If you don't care about trophies... Don't sign in

[@yhormthemidget]

​@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 lets be real, you would never create a PSN account just to do trophies on a platfotm you would've never used. Also, if you want to, you have steam achievments.

[@sociallyineptclownprincech8731]

It’s all about Sony PSN numbers, Sony gets more user information, then they can sell that user information for money or use that inflated user number to gain funding for game projects.

[@isaac6077]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271i dont own any playstations

[@noahbarnhartandit2365]

​@@sociallyineptclownprincech8731It's 100% about the metrics.. Sony was hoping to turn around to their investors like "See? Look at how ACTIVE all these PSN accounts are! Our services are clearly very valuable, huh??"

[@Guru316]

Kind of ironic the company that claimed to be so concerned about the potential implications of Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, does something so anti-consumer.

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

its not irony when they where just lying.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

It's incredibly pro consumer. Consumers just consume. Pro consumer is anti-customer

[@dzibanart8521]

They were scared about their bottom line. They are even more anti consumers.

[@CoperliteConsumer]

Lol its so weird to me that people didnt understand what was actually being said and done when sony did that. Activision's call of duty is a government funded propaganda project(this isnt a conspiracy or anything, both parties are very open about it and the funding is very public, its why the smith-mundt act was repealed by obama in 2012 making non wartime propaganda production legal again). Sony was essentially saying: "hey, american gov, if Microsoft buys this company that produces your most successful military propaganda than more than half of the call of duty audience will vanish and it will significantly deminish your decades long investments into this project. You dont want that do you?" Now they couldnt out and say that but via corpo speak thats the intent of the message they did send. Btw this is also why activision-blizzard made sure to quickly come out and reassure everyone that call of duty(not activision games, just call of duty) will continue to be playable on PlayStation for the foreseeable console generation at the very least. Now However you should expect it to always be available on PS and PC because the point of call of duty isnt to generate funds via sales(although this certainly is the secondary goal). The goal is to generate profit from government funding as well as huge tax breaks, and special treatment from the American federal government its self. Like think about it. No senator or house rep would dare pass a law banning gambling(loot boxes) if it would financially hurt activision and tank their propaganda project. The US gov has a longterm vested intrest in the success of their company, it literally cant fail. Its crony capitalism and should be illegal. Though i will admit, it was a true stroke of genius on activision's part to diversify its gaming conpany into military contracting inorder to tap into americas essentially socialized sectors and thus become untouchable by financial crises like all defense contractors and banks are. Literally genius.

[@DeltaDragon79]

I left a negative review. Had a friend from overseas who have been playing with all this time then suddenly he can't play anymore because of this. Sony sucks.

[@jazman619xlive]

if you don't own the game you should not be leaving a review. Change your review if the policy changes.

[@Warfoki]

@@jazman619xlive You literally cannot leave a negative review if you don't own the game on Steam, what are you talking about?

[@miciso666]

@@jazman619xlive where he say he dont own the game??? all he said is his friend got banned cuz he isnt in a sony allowed country.

[@DeltaDragon79]

@@jazman619xlive I own the game.

[@gymbmymb3465]

@@jazman619xlive "change your review if the policy changes" I will now proceed to review bomb with several accounts I've been cultivating over the years while simultaneously buying and refunding for a one-two punch to their revenue for your insolence. No more corporate simping. If you had functional nuts you would know just how bad we have it and realize how good it could be if we start bending corporations over the barrel.

[@guardiantko3220]

On game start up, there was a skip this option. No where did it say "grace period" "temporarily not needed" "will be required later" i thought steam was doing that for cross platform progression

[@MrNorker77]

Sony TOS prior to May 3rd even said PSN login was optional

[@BlackTempleGaurdian]

Worst part is there isn't even any cross platform progression!

[@autobotstarscream765]

No surprise, Gabe is based and Soyny is cringe.

[@miciso666]

@@autobotstarscream765 kindly dont leave reviews. if ur a non gamer.

[@MotherSoren]

@@miciso666 literal BOT, they didnt even mention anything about a review you weirdo

[@zepdowntime]

I had taken a screenshot from Sony's own playstation websites under Helldivers 2 that explicit says 'You do not need a PSN account to enjoy Playstation Studios games on PC' and that the AH CEO admitted that they were aware for 6 months before launch that a PSN account was mandatory to play.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

You need to spread that around so it can have multiple sources

[@COYSMike]

Asmon talked about that last night. Fucking scandal really

[@OhCanadaGamer]

I hope this entire thing makes Steam or some Countries look at this and make laws or sue the balls off Sony so this crap never happens again. The fact that Sony could do this at all is a problem. Sony also looks like total asshats for doing this.

[@HauntakuTV]

Chances are that Steam will probably delist games like these if they are unavailable in your location

[@miciso666]

honestly its like racism or stealing. imagine more corpos do this... o u live in this country? nah fam. we ban you for living in say africa. u spent a 100 on this game? tough luck. no refund.

[@TankHunter678]

Technically this action by Sony is already illegal. Before the linking was optional, thus Steam could sell them in countries not supported by PSN. If this was always the plan Steam should have been notified of that so that they would not have it listed it in unsupported countries to begin with.

[@minefoxc4015]

Arrowhead is not blameless. Their developers disabled the requirement without informing anyone that it would become mandatory later down the line, despite knowing it would have been forced 6 months before release.

[@kyotheman69]

@@HauntakuTV they already starting to do that, they even giving out refunds, most cases this only happens when situation like this comes out, never the latter

[@fluffywhitebudgie6376]

Sony: game is doing too good and it's too popular... Commence the culling! In all honesty, I don't think making bans slightly easier is worth killing the game for so many people around the world.

[@MorbidEel]

Sony was probably thinking about being able to report larger growth numbers for PSN

[@Otyrr]

This doesn't even make bans slightly easier. Their root level anti cheat also should make cheating impossible, yet we've seen it doesn't. These are things that only executives think help these issues, when in reality they don't do anything.

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@OtyrrSoyny of Commiefornia: getting hacked is guaranteed! #CancelPSN #NoPlayStation6

[@HansKlopek]

We dont need bans for speech crimes in the first place.

[@CeraphineLuna]

The only thing a psn account does is make your chances of getting hacked that much more likely.

[@tuinhoofd1923]

Lot of countries don't even have access to psn, feel bad for the people already invested in the game in those places

[@FordThunderCougarFalconBird]

This pisses me off no end. I used to be a console boy. But my last console died about 7 months ago. I have been saving up since for a PC, and my very first purchase on Steam was GOING to be Hell Divers II. Despite my misgivings about Sony. I was just about to pull the trigger on purchasing a PC. I’m glad I got this news now rather than later. Now I have more time to shop around for the best PC for me. This is coming from a guy who USED to be a Sony fan boy. F’Ck OFF SONY, YOU’VE HAD SH!+ PRODUCTS FOR YEARS!!!!!

[@nadebothd4006]

I've refused to link accounts to accounts due to the ease of backdoor recovery. If you have an email as well as a phone number for your verification to gain access to your bank account I've got some news for you, It's not BOTH it's one or the OTHER. If your email gets compromised they can use it to gain access to your bank this way, I've been on the unfortunate side of this. So please tell me WHY I would want to link my steam account with tons of games on it with a company that literally has the "secure" data held hostage once a year? This isn't someone being "lazy" if you don't understand how fast all of your shit can be "recovered" with something as simple as multiple points of access being linked together.

[@HQbaracuda]

I understand where you get from here, but be assured that the PSN account can not be used to compromise your Steam account. Account linking doesn't work that way, it is just as the name would suggest, just a link (probably your steam account id being stored in a field in your PSN account). However, you are very right about your email adress being the main attack entry point, because all other services can be recovered and stolen, if an attacker has access to it. This is why you should secure your email account especially (very strong password possibly randomly generated by a password manager + 2FA), to minimise the possibility for it to be compromised. Also never share passwords accross services and if you have the possibility to use a randomly generated username istead of your email address for login, use it. Oh and on the topic of this video: wherever possible do not link any accounts together so your personal details don't get flung about the internet randomly (and this is precisely the problem with the PSN, because what you are giving Sony here is your personal information, that will be hacked).

[@autobotstarscream765]

Soyny: The leading name in getting hacked. #CancelPSN #NoPlayStation6

[@jasonschumacher9954]

yep happened to me with my original sony account never again.

[@Chihirolee3]

It is both. Secondary means of verification are still tied to the main account. Although you are right you sign in using one or the other, both email and phone (and any other form of verifying sign in's such as security questions) are all leaked if one way to sign in is compromised. Everything of your account is compromised.

[@Deboo-oz2rb]

I live in the bahamas and this broke my heart and how can someone say "why do you care you don't live there" thats the problem with this world alot of ppl lack basic empathy and only care about a problem if it affects them

[@aquilliusranger2137]

It’s like the saying “I did not speak up for those groups, because I was not them. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.” Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

[@Deboo-oz2rb]

@@aquilliusranger2137 💯

[@huffinLeeroy]

Both Arrowhead and Sony screwed up. Arrowhead because they never made it clear a PSN account was required and never reactivated when it should have been (ie. when the servers were fixed), and their comms have been very poor, largely dismissive, and often blatant lies. Sony screwed up by selling the game where there was no PSN support and then changed the EULA during this to cover their backsides. There is only one way to fix it, and that is for Sony to rework the contract with Arrowhead and make the account optional.

[@LukasChrapek]

They made it clear, on Steam page was always Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account). So if you bought it, and you didn't know about it, it's your issue, not AH or SONY. You should know are you buying. That requirement is not hidden, is visible on page. Second point is true, this is fail and everybody should have possibility to refund or SONY should find some way to let create accounts from Other Countries.

[@Warfoki]

@@LukasChrapek It doesn't matter that this is there, Sony should NEVER even have listed the game for sale in countries, where the game would be unplayable. And since Sony is the publisher, them listing it globally regardless is 100% on them.

[@animalm4st3r]

@@LukasChrapek German here just got my refund approved, we have PSN. Simply cited EU Consumer Protection laws, wich say a simple statement of "PSN is necessary", but not enforcing it Day 1 Voids the contract clause all together. and it can not retroactively be enforced again without the consumers agreement.

[@alexlowe2054]

@@LukasChrapek Steam's store page isn't a legally binding contract with the user. It's marketing. The Sony EULA is the legally binding contract, which didn't require a PSN account. Changing the EULA terms is illegal in many countries, which is likely going to force Sony to back down. If you're in the US, it's hard to understand what it's like to live in a country with decent consumer protections, but this does affect a HUGE number of active players.

[@Aves_1]

AAA saw HD2 was doing better than the usual cookie cutter slop and had to find a way to kill it

[@N7-WAR-HOUND]

All they had to do was nothing. Couple days ago the worst you had was people upset at balancing issues and crashes. Which is pretty good if that was the worst of your press

[@Dylanquinn666]

I'll never understand why certain consumers will go out of their way to do damage control for greedy corporations that don't even know they exist. It's awful consumer practice/consciousness. There are plenty of products and companies that I like but that is on a basis of mutual respect. As soon as they start disrespecting their consumers you don't have to be blindly loyal to them and take it upon yourself to crush any criticism in the hopes that they'll get better. If a company you like messes up you should criticize them. Some people must just really the enjoy the taste of boot.

[@fullstackweebdev4855]

Because they’re consumers and not customers. All they do is consume. They’re the target audience that corpos like Sony want.

[@Azdeus]

They've been shat on for so long and treated like dirt, that they've come to enjoy it. When you come along and say you want no part of it, they begin questioning themselves and start smelling it, and that really hurts their pride. They can't be wrong, so you must be wrong!

[@liarwithagun]

It's actually pretty simple. They like X thing. Someone comes along and says X thing is bad in some way. They perceive it as an attack on themselves as liking a bad thing is bad, which means they are bad. So they go into defense mode. This is a thing people do with everything. Hobbies, products, ideologies, etc. The problem is that these people are tying their personality self-identities into these companies, which they obviously shouldn't do. You shouldn't really tie your personal self-image into something with agency that can act on its own, like another person or a group, even if you are involved with them in some way. But just because you shouldn't do it, doesn't mean people don't do it all the time anyways. People do plenty of things that are dumb and harmful all the time.

[@batboy555]

Stockholm syndrome

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

delusions and mental illness

[@sterminous1978]

They continue to sell in Baltic States because EU law (Region locking EU member state), but PSN is not supported in these countries. As a resident of Estonia, I can still buy the game from Steam, but I can't make a PSN account.

[@finneogan]

Oooh... Sony versus EU consumer protection then - that is a fight they will NOT win.

[@mcpunchins]

The primary issue isn't that this was "always a requirement" because it actually wasn't. Sony changed their legal documentation on their website on May 3rd changing the PSN account section from saying it was "Optional" for PC players to have a PSN account to saying it "May be required" to play Sony games on PC. This was never a requirement it is being retroactively made a requirement by Sony Execs trying to boost PSN user numbers. The other issue is the flat out lie they are trying to sell about "Security" and "Safety" when they have one of the worst if not the worst security records in modern history.

[@asteroidrules]

Except that's not what's at issue here. The game's Steam page has always said "requires 3rd party account: Playstation Network." Steam is actually really good at having disclaimers for games that incorporate third party accounts and DRM requirements, and Helldivers 2 has had one listed since it launched, but the game itself just didn't actually make players sign into a PSN account.

[@KPX01]

@@asteroidrules it also say in the tos it is optional before soyny decide to change it. get your story straight and stop defending shitty corporation behavior.

[@acudaican]

Wow, it was 'Mixed' for Recent Reviews the last time I checked. Crazy.

[@josvermeulen6191]

Probably bc it had very positive reviews before their moron decisions

[@kildrath]

So I got Battlenet, EA account, Steam, Epic, Gog, Wargaming and Ubisoft account and now I need a Playstation account when I play only on PC? No, thanks... I hope the EU will take some action against Sony....

[@SurplusMarket]

LOL

[@dungeater9241]

Doesn't the EU have the same socialist mentality as Sony?

[@Adryan_85]

The question is why did they let those who do not have the opportunity in their country to create a psn account to buy the game???

[@sirpieman300]

ask sony, as the CEO said they arnt the one responsible for selling the game, Sony is.

[@MrNorker77]

Money

[@Tsuchimursu]

I'd guess it was meant to be optional to link the account but because it was such a surprise huge success they now want those numbers on the sheets

[@bubba99009]

Incompetence. Same reason it didn't require the link at launch when people would have just shrugged it off.

[@CabbageYe]

Did you read those countries? There's like 10 players in total from them combined

[@madhatter38m]

Actually initially it was optional to make an account.

[@Warfoki]

No, it became optional after about half an hour post launch, when the servers were melting down, and the extra step of logging into PSN clogged up an already way overburdened server infrastructure.

[@madhatter38m]

@@Warfoki hence the word... optional

[@SorarikoMotone]

@@Warfoki the thing is - optional was part of their eula as well, which they ninja-changed not too long after the kerfuffle started

[@Startrance85]

Sony doing it because they know they can get away with it since most gamers got no sense of self control.

[@c4nn4boi15]

Yup got some friends that love to bootlick sony

[@itzYonko]

​@@c4nn4boi15My brother in christ, YOU are one of the people he is talking about.

[@djentleman8116]

That's a fact. I've boycotted so many games and companies for shady, or otherwise anti consumer practices. Basically everyone I play with just doesn't care, accepting being part of the problem.

[@HauntakuTV]

@@djentleman8116 Don't blame the gamers for companies being dogsh*t

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

Exactly

[@grygierpeps]

Sony is the only company that did an unauthorized purchase on me, just a 15$ charge on some a random game when i haven't been active on psn in months. After that i avoid giving them any information.

[@kdog3908]

'Legal Mindset' , a legal (licenced lawyer) KZbinr suggested the 'temporarily optional' aspect of disabling the account creation requirement might be considered deceptive.

[@Gungrave123]

Changing the terms of the sale after a sale is finalized should be illegal, simple as.

[@GigAnonymous]

Good news - it *is*, in basically any country. Bad news - companies don't care, because they know you won't sue them over a 60€ game.

[@jjcc8379]

Also that if you dont enforce a rule since day one, and wait for months, some countries will argue it set a precedent that *it was optional*. That they were entrapping people. False advertisement. During launch there was no news specifiying a "grace period" for PSN linking. So people could play beyond steam auto-refunds, and purchase it in non-PSN countries. That's what sucks.

[@asteroidrules]

It usually is, but it's also not what happened here. The game's TOS has always stated that a PSN account was required, it just didn't actually do anything to confirm that you had one.

[@Lenariet]

​@@asteroidrulesApparently though people seem to assume that some FAQ on Sony's website or wherever equals a change of ToS. Everyone's a lawyer nowadays I guess.

[@sokosokolowski2823]

​@@LenarietGuy in Canada won a lawsuit with an airline because their chatbot told him untrue statement and he lost money because of it, it doesnt have to be strictly a TOS retroactive change

[@DivusMagus]

The funniest part of this whole debacle is the insane logic people will use to defend Sony. One person on Reddit was saying review bombing will do nothing because they already got their money. Completely ignoring the game still had room for growth, is a live service so needs to constant growth or at least consistent people buying micro transactions. Both of which are greatly effected by negative score.

[@danny_mtnz]

True. Also the developers need to have a word about this, like is their game right? Or they completely sold their souls? Maybe I am ignorant of the degree of power the developers might have..

[@DivusMagus]

@@danny_mtnz Sony owns the IP, they simply make and support the game.

[@danny_mtnz]

@@DivusMagus it would be dope for consumers to directly fund projects ourselves

[@ASpooneyBard]

@@danny_mtnz That's what crowdfunding and early access is. The idea of crowdfunding has been tainted by a massive number of scams, and, while there have been many great games that released in early access, you're still buying an unfinished game and there have been plenty that were sold and never finished. These methods have their place, but I don't want that to be the norm.

[@KirkFickert]

@@danny_mtnzThen you get Star Citizen..

[@theirongiant74]

At least Tarkov got 8 years before they tried to fuck their players.

[@miciso666]

@@Sureflame ahem... i had a fucking ban. for giving my friends gear back. 2 months ban for RWT fuck nikita.

[@pegcity4eva]

Lol

[@mindaugasstankus5943]

More level-headed people left long time ago and said devs f-ing player base almost for half a decade or so...

[@Boonedale]

Having a PSN account should be optional.

[@Ferdinand208]

That community manager should not be allowed to communicate with customers. He should become a lawyer that defends criminals. And RIP Helldivers2. You were the chosen one. RIP stellar blade.

[@SnowyRains]

out of all the businesses in the world i never expected sony to stoop so low to break global consumer laws to force console sales in countries that cant make an account without a console

[@yhormthemidget]

Yup, they were always the bastion of integrity. Their virtue nearly as unpenetrable as their data servers.

[@Snake1257]

I have a PSN account and even I stopped playing, because I am playing on a PC with Steam and not the console. To me Sony snatched defeat from the jaws of victory once again an I applaud the effort.

[@LucentMoonlight]

There better be a class action suit coming down the line straight for Sony. They were caught in the act changing their policy and TOS after this went through.

[@KirkFickert]

That’s not the strongest case. Consumer fraud for selling in countries that can’t create PSN however is an extremely strong case.

[@Lenariet]

Oh, man, I was almost afraid there wasn't gonna be one of those comments here. Well, go ahead and try. What, you don't want to start that lawsuit yourself? Others have to? Go figure. It's always this same notion whenever I see such pretentious comments. Well, let's hope SOMEBODY will show up to battle evil big corpo head-on!!! In the meantime, let's all continue to whine on social media and buy the next Sony game six or so months from now because we can't ignore the newest hype flavor game of the month! Face it: None of you will do shit even if you should have a case in this one.

[@MechMK1]

"But how does that affect you personally?" is hands down the worst argument people present over and over

[@jjcc8379]

"I like to keep my digital accounts separate, because data breaches are a thing" and "sony has failed repetitively in account security". Some countrie's new PSN accounts require photo ID.

[@censoredduetowrongthink]

and easily cast aside by listing the amount of data breaches via sony in recent memory. That's the avenue of personal impact and I categorically refuse to gamble infosec any more than the compromises already in place force me to. Any back and forth beyond that boils down to finding various wordings of "DIsingenuous twat"

[@LuaanTi]

"Why do _you_ care that _other_ people are getting murdered? Get over yourself." : D

[@LaughingRam]

I got my refund yesterday (as steam credit) with 197 hours played.

[@juandavidvillarreal9041]

Bien por usted, ahora vaya y cómprese un calletita.

[@endlessstrata6988]

@@juandavidvillarreal9041 I don't speak shitholés, please use human language the next time.

[@itzYonko]

​@@endlessstrata6988gonna cry?

[@inwit594]

@@endlessstrata6988 You've got a weird regional dialect. I think people 'round these parts call it 'asshole'.

[@misbegotten3508]

@@endlessstrata6988 You're speaking it just fine, brother.

[@riphawk67]

This is exactly why I will never buy another game that requires a 3rd party account. Bye Bye Ubishit, EA, Sony, etc.

[@zaftnotameni]

welcome to the club

[@deadbeef576]

Its all so tiresome.

[@inwit594]

Sure is. Just try to keep your chin up and not let it make you unhappy or hostile to other people and it'll all be alright.

[@Lenariet]

Play AA or indie.

[@hexangel1523]

Earth Defence Force 6 laucnhes 7/25, guys. See you there.

[@AbsoluteSkycaptain]

EDF! EDF!

[@TheAnonLee]

Don’t have a psn account, don’t want one, won’t make one either.Was fun while it lasted

[@bashamd96]

I have a PSN account, and I'm still pissed

[@WouldYouKindlyGWAR]

@@bashamd96 Same.

[@Kepesk]

@@bashamd96 Yeah, I feel that.

[@SurplusMarket]

lol that’s crazy you would give up a game you enjoy simply because you have to type a little more.

[@bashamd96]

@SurplusMarket It's the principle of it not the typing itself

[@Perseus7567]

4:30 It didn't even say in the EULA it was required either. The ONLY place it said that was half-way down the steam store page, in a box hidden between two other yellow boxes. That was the ONLY place it said it was required. Even the EULA suggested it was completely optional.

[@fallingfloor6924]

The game was released in countries that can not set up a PSN account. That in of itself demonstrates the whole "It was always a requirement" a null point. You can attribute it to incompetence but this isnt a mom and pop business. This is Sony.

[@Rich87]

greed is a terrible thing

[@a1303049]

7years of development fizzled out in 3months. Wonder Sony recuperated their investment.

[@GigAnonymous]

They did in the first day. Sad thing is, they'll learn nothing from it.

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

@@GigAnonymous Not anymore if enought people refund

[@xyzern7]

I didn’t buy this game nor do I care about it but I love the absolute dumpster fire that is happening. Sony got handed one of the greatest game launches in recent years and they fuck it up. I love the fact that people thought that Sony was “turning over a new leaf” lmfaoo

[@joeshmoe7485]

There's exactly two ways to get people to do what you want. You can offer them an incentive or benefit for doing so, or you can try to force them to do it. Seems like Sony tried to do the latter and really fucked everything up. Sad. Everyone I know liked Helldivers... probably not anymore.

[@alexanderson4497]

All they had to do was not fuck with the game, but noooo...these MBA's just had to try to pad the PSN numbers to please their shareholders some more. I sure love the invisible hand of free market of Capitalism continuing fingering my A-Hole raw on everything in life cause share value always has to go up endlessly, as the quality and value of everything from games, movies, food, and even healthcare get worse and worse and we pay more and more.

[@Lemminjoose]

This isn't free market capitalism, chief.

[@bipolarkeyboard]

@@Lemminjoose let the commie misconstrued ongoing issues /w their political ideology it's very comical

[@baddidea4863]

​@@Lemminjoosethe free market also doesn't work so lol This is actually a fine example as to why it doesn't work, because you don't get bodies like Sony otherwise. These large monopolies are able to consolidate because they succeeded to the point where they begin to control a larger share of resources and capital. That's why it drives me mad when people act like free market is like...... infallible lol. Free market capitalism will never stay free market because the people who make their way to the top will put their capital to making sure that others can't get there either.

[@tonydalimata]

​@@baddidea4863it isn't free market capitalism. Free market capitalism has separation of government and business . What we have is business so big and powerful that they are the puppet master and the government the puppet that is no longer a free market .

[@HQbaracuda]

@@baddidea4863 the "free" in "free market" also does not mean freedom for the consumer. It means freedom for the companies to do EVERYTHING they can to maximise profit. Regulations work against that in creating "fair environments" not just for the competitors (who would lose out in a totally free market to the big fish in the pond btw), but also for consumers, who would be at the mercy of the market when it comes to all things from price over quality to even safety regards. A totally free market would kill its consumers for short term profit. Only regulations keep the market from getting out of control and that's what people do not get when talking about it.

[@Awakened2001]

My main issue is I'm not comfortable linking PSN to my steam account. There has been roughly 8-10 data breaches from Sony's servers since I've had a PSN account, and everytime I get compromised it's a nightmare trying to get ahold of customer service to recover the account. Why would I want to involve that into my spotless steam experience.

[@batboy555]

Sony customer service is notorious for being bad.

[@lesslighter]

and god help you if your PSN account is on another region because your country isnt supportedby Sony just like me :3

[@thevalorousdong7675]

Knew for 6 months before launch and said nothing till last minute- the Dev is dirty asf too

[@D0NU75]

publishers have become a bit too fond of screwing up people after the game releases and gets good reviews.

[@Sam.From.Wonderland]

"Review Bomb" is a bad way to put it. For years consumer power has been eroded (largely by gamers themselves accepting FTP) and this is a legitimate way for consumers to assert their position.

[@Science1677]

They are being scumbags or else they could at the least exempt the countries that can't access psn.

[@Phaevryn]

At the time it was stated that logging in PSN was optional, then they changed the wording.

[@CarnisChampion]

there is some screenshots from a CM of AH that said that the reason for the PSN account is so they can ban players. so they where pretty much all in to it.

[@miciso666]

yeah easier to control griefers and cheaters... honestly sony just wants that 100k player base to look good to investors...

[@CarnisChampion]

@@miciso666 I fully agree.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Some people say things like "It's being review bombed" or "You can still play the game, just make an account." Not every country can easily make an account. Fact is, people have a legitimate reason for not liking the game. They're not disliking it because of lol memes. Majority of people want games to do well. Especially good games. It deserves every bit of negativity it's getting. I feel sorry for the developers, this definitely feels like a publisher issue. But there definitely needs to be a fix for this, or this game is just going to become a bad memory.

[@SurplusMarket]

We’re really going to act like the internet won’t find something else to be outraged about in 2 weeks time, and then forget all about it? It was only like a month ago that people, including Kira, were trying to shit on Dragon’s Dogma 2, and now everyone has forgotten about that. Why? Because it’s still a good game, and because the internet’s attention span is the same as toddler.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

@@SurplusMarket Like I said, the game will soon be nothing more than a bad memory.

[@luridftwgaming8983]

I like to wait a while before I buy a game, especially in 2024. This is one of the reasons, I'm not making a PSN account to play a game on Steam/PC. So Helldivers 2 is off the wishlist.

[@integralfrom0to1]

I'll never understand people that don't get why "moving the goalposts" is a massive problem. If Sony can get everyone to give up their private information and jump through hoops this time, what will it be next time, and where does it end?

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

They finally walked it back... "Playstation - Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward. We’re still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we’ll keep you updated on future plans."

[@Julmara]

if i remember correctly nowhere in the eula psn got mentioned

[@GigAnonymous]

EULA aren't legally binding nor enforceable anywhere outside of the US and a handful of countries. Even *then*, unilateral changes in EULA or any contractual agreement are completely illegal... but what are ya gonna do, sue them?

[@Julmara]

@@GigAnonymous people that where able to get the game dispite psn beeing able to be required certainly can maybe but no idea how all this works or going to turnout lol why cant games just be good with no bs attached

[@Dragonk116]

So even when a game is successful like this, You can't even enjoy it because of these damn corporations.... Smh... 😡

[@rossharper1983]

Was going to jump into Helldivers after me and bro-in-law had finished Dying Light 2, but if I have to have a PSN account then I won't bother. I'm a PC gamer, haven't had a playstation since PS2, I don't want a PSN account to play a game on my PC

[@themissingpeace7956]

PlayStation 5/5/2024 - 9:30PM PST: Helldivers fans -- we've heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, *will not be moving forward.* We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we'll keep you updated on future plans. Do not give up just yet Helldivers! For Sweet Liberty! FOR SUPER EARTH!!

[@c4nn4boi15]

Major reasons im trying to refund is because of how the arrowhead CMs acted as if we need them and not the other way around. Plus im pissed at sony, definitely never buying anything from sony. Already forgot about buying the ps 5

[@liarwithagun]

I was planning on eventually getting one or maybe a PS6 when it comes out eventually, but I definitely won't be now. I've started to shy away from buying anything gaming related from big companies because after decades of becoming worse as they test the limited of what gaming addicts are willing tolerate, most of them have reached the threshold of me not willing to put up with the BS in exchange for their products anymore. I can handle infinite amounts of P2W garbage and cosmetic microtrasactions and data gathering to the point where they know what color I'm wearing. I can even handle swallowing the fact that all my digital libraries are actually me just renting the game as long as I don't piss the company off, and not me actually owning any of these digital games. But my breaking point is shit like Capcom chopping core gameplay features out to upcharge people with as day 1 DLC like with the Yakuza game (which I know they have done years ago as well and haven't bought a Capcom game since the PS3 days), or Sony completely arbitrarily taking away people's rented games for no significant reason besides wanting to boost their PSN numbers months later after the customers has paid and Sony have already taken people's money. It just too far for me personally. I'm actually curious to see how far the hobby will denigrate over time before it stops being profitable to do this stuff as I know there are plenty enough people willing to eat this sort garbage. Just look at mobile games and how successful they are. I wonder how much worse their practices must get before even an amazing game has too much BS attached to it that enough people are willing to not tolerate it that the games start being flops.

[@jaegermonster9549]

Fabulous job by Arrowhead and I wish nothing but the best for these devs in the future. As for Sony, congratulations on your solid entry in the Douchebag Olympics.

[@ShadyShiba_]

"It was always said you would need a PSN account." and at the same time the company decided "Let's sell the game in countries that physically can't use PSN."

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

Pretty far in the fine print. I never saw it, certainly. I'm not in one of the banned countries, but PSN is refusing to create an account associated with my email because they say someone else already has one. Their support has been giving me the runaround for a month, and steam is still refusing refunds because I didn't ask within 14 days of purchase. So either create a whole new burner email to get on PSN - which admittedly I probably should given what I've learned about Sony's inability to keep data secure - or I'm SOL?

[@censoredduetowrongthink]

@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Make sure you're using the refund option in help> Steam Support> Purchases. That method gets your refund in front of human eyes instead of a bot that only looks at 2 weeks or 2 hours.

[@ShadyShiba_]

@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Yeah and the moment you forget to turn on a vpn you'd probably get banned too. = \

[@asteroidrules]

@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu It's literally a bright orange box in the system requirement information, Steam makes these warnings very visible exactly because of people like you who ignore them.

[@MEATOGRE]

I don’t have a PSN account because of their blatant security vulnerabilities. It’s not because I’m lazy, anti-whatever, it’s because they can’t protect the data the have in their possession. That’s it. Dudes all straw manning the hell out of people like me.

[@guitarzero1836]

Was gonna buy helldivers 2 next month, guess I should thank Sony for saving me money. Really sucks for those who can’t play anymore

[@Magemaster55]

More money for STEAM Summer sale

[@sociallyineptclownprincech8731]

When I first launched the game, there was no PSN prompt. At all. They removed it entirely after a while. The community manager is definitely not a hero, he wasn’t trying to protect “his people”. Their team NEW this was going to happen eventually and continued to lie about it. The outward face of this company has been very shifty from the start with refusing to acknowledge the glitches that were causing massive amounts of automatons to spawn. Instead of fixing them they just tried to convince the community to attack other players and shame them into not fighting the bots which were in fact broken. This community manager’s responses are quite in line with how Arrowhead has handled everything. I’m not sorry that the devs are facing negativity but their company sold out, and they continued to work within that environment. I don’t have sympathy for them for their choices. If anyone is threatening harm that is different, that isn’t negative criticism that is harassment and actually harmful but far too often we see these devs openly defend their company’s shitty decisions then cry out “ABUSE” when the fans don’t like their product. No one is entitled to have their work loved simply because they made it.

[@jriddle9450]

I’m now seeing a trend of game companies making you buy a game, then taking it away from you and not giving your money back. This is criminal.

[@liarwithagun]

Is it really illegal if the government doesn't punish it though? There are plenty of laws on the books that are never enforced, like walking around with iceream cones in your back pocket in some states, It might technically be illegal, but in all practical purposes it is functionally legal. Just like how fines that don't actually have potential to take a company are just taxes for doing business in that way.

[@snake5solid]

They think it's all fine because there was a requirement listed on the store. But 1. They kept quiet about it. 2. They allowed to buy the game in a country that is not approved by Sony. 3. They didn't enforce it. None of this is fine. They made a gem. A riddiculously good gem, loved by players. Showed as an exception and an ideal others should try to achieve. And instead of leaving it as it is they screwed each other by putting this requirement in place anyway. They should've at least make it optional. Or they should've shout from the rooftops about this very important requirement. Instead they outed themselves as fools who didn't think this through at best or malicious assholes at worst.

[@Michal-my7lk]

Don't wanna spread missinformation cause im not sure if thats 100% true But from what i have heared valve were the ones to delist the game in countries that doesn't have access to PSN

[@yuzuchi5381]

well they would have to .. cause in the end they are the plattform sellign a game people cant even play If i were Steam i wouldnt want to sell a game jsut to refund it 1h later ...

[@Magemaster55]

It's a publisher's responsibility to moderate the regions where their game would be available for sale, and set up regional prices for that game. If this game supposed to be linked to PSN from the start of sales, it shouldn't have been sold in regions without PSN coverage.

[@Michal-my7lk]

@@Magemaster55 oh yeah i totally agree with that. Thats my only issue with Sony regarding this subject cause some of my online friends (who unlike me don't live in PSN available region) are affected with. All Sony needed to do was leave it optional (so they can sell more copies to people who can't make PSN account) and like Kira said just give some shit for connecting accounts. Its not that hard. They had their gravy train and now they are trying to derail it.

[@Lemminjoose]

It's just modern anti-consumerism.

[@computaterjones]

That's why i come to your channel. I appreciate you waiting to cover something after all the dust settles down. It helps keep me honest when I talk about this stuff later.

[@Supreme-King]

Steam can obviously track games that requires external services or accounts like they do with Ubisoft, EA, etc. Simple make the publisher unable to sell in countries they don't have support for the required service. This will scare away studios from garbage publishers.

[@domeen0gt895]

They had their golden goose, but just because they were peckish they cooked it. Now they've got diarrhea because they ate the goose before it fried properly.

[@rokman5000]

Put in a refund request and it got denied.

[@david328ci]

On Sony's FAQ, it said PSN account was optional. They stealth edited it to mandatory now.

[@xathlak]

No one looks at the little boxes on steam. I've bought a game, installed a game, got a popup to make an account and just noped out with a refund.

[@HolyPire]

I am glad I missed that ship sailing .... thats 101 on "destroy your game for dummys" lol

[@SurplusMarket]

I’m the opposite, now that this will probably make them put the game at a discount to compensate, I’m going to buy it.

[@ieatvirgins]

@@SurplusMarket What are you, stupid?

[@kcw1879]

I play PC because I hate how consoles are slowly destroying gaming. And now they are trying to change PC gaming into console'ish gaming. Are we all now supposed to to pay "Gaming Lawyers" to read the legal text before we buy PC games now?

[@liarwithagun]

Technically speaking, no one actually owns any of 'their' digital games unless they are using an emulator they have downloaded; they just have a temporary license that can be revoked for whatever reason a company wants to use. People get really mad at situations like this and the Ubisoft 'The Crew' situation because it destroys the illusion that companies are giving off to people that said people own these games. There is an unspoken agreement that people are willing to trust not actually owning and having control over their access to these products as long as the company doesn't violate that trust and screw them over by taking the product away arbitrarily in a way that isn't to the customers' benefit. The customer gets convenience and the company saves on production costs. A win-win in theory. But of course, you can't trust a company, especially a large publicly traded company like these big publishers, to not pursue short-term money over all else. And the company is the one with almost all the power in this situation. So it is actually a win for the company and a lose for the customer.

[@LupinTelegar]

Well said Kira and thanks for the synopsis on this story, I was completely unaware of it as I don't play the game. I think a key point you raised (besides the fact if they had offered some bonus to create an account then they would have avoided some of the kickback), is the failure to push the message that eventually players would have to create a PSN account. I bet the company loved all the memes and social posts from customers, and engaged with these, but they clearly failed miserably to communicate an upcoming major change. Sounds like they got too excited enjoying the success of their product (understandable to a degree) to consider long term issues that might now destroy the product, the IP, and perhaps the developers name/brand.

[@AzKat69]

One thing everyone forgot about: - you cannot even make burner Sony accounts (with falsely provided data) as that will get your sony account banned, and as an extension assign a permanent, forcefully shown on your steam profile game ban on your steam account

[@lesslighter]

you can or precisely you could.... how else were their digital store front going to work on coutnries they sell consoles too but never officially supported their software to? its like saying Apple, Microsoft, samsung sell their stuff in your country but can never use their features, IE able to access icloud or itunes, Microsft for windows, samsung for dex, yet they can still sell their stuff in your country? how do you think that would work?

[@AzKat69]

@@lesslighter you always could, but you are in breach of their ToS as long as you do it, so they can just end your account for absolutely any reason and just blame it on you providing false personal information. You're right in mentioning that "technically" you could create the accounts with false personal information, but you're incorrect in assuming that it is "allowed" by their terms of service.

[@lesslighter]

@@AzKat69 then it is Sony's fault for hosting games with DLC then since I live in one of those countries that was never supported by PSN

[@morganmcmillin2735]

Hey man, off topic but you're looking really good!

[@tornadoawe]

What this whole saga has reminded me of is that sometimes, it's good to stick with something old that nobody has incentives to screw with. Thanks Humble, for selling an EDF bundle a few months back.

[@liarwithagun]

I am excited to play EDF 6 when it comes out. This with thing with Sony actually frees up a lot of time for me, cause I was sinking a lot of time in HD2. I didn't realize it was a Sony game despite playing it since release because I didn't see the note on Steam nor did I get a message about PSN accounts when I logged in the first time. Or I did and somehow I missed it. Maybe I button mashed past it. I don't even care that Sony are walking it back now because I never would have bought it in the first place if I realized Sony owned it, and now that I do know that I'm not interested in investing any more money or time into the game when I have other things I can spend those resources on. I thought it was indie game for some reason; guess I must have missed any mention of Sony on the little bit of marketing I saw for it. I only rarely buy games owned by big companies because they can never resist screwing me over in some way or another, or they can't keep themselves from ruining a game over to make more money.

[@LuaanTi]

Remember when EA shut down Battlefield 2 because people weren't buying Battlefield 3? A game being old isn't good enough. We need decentralised servers and no kill switches. Of course, everyone knew what the publishers were really after with their "fights against piracy". Taking away options from legitimate customers is just as important to them as "fighting piracy" (which they never could do anyway). All they did is fuel the wonderful "Either I pirate now and play for free, or I buy, they change the conditions and... I have to pirate anyway." :)

[@enzorocha2977]

Arrowhead hands aren't clean either. There's even that snarky dev taunting players which doesn't help things. The CEO is playing the "aw shucks guys, we didn't know! Sorry" game, when in fact this was agreed upon between the companies (which explains their sneaky change of the EULA to reflect the PSN requirement. A web archive copy of the original shows it was never there at the start). And Sony doesn't care however way this goes; they'll just shrug their greedy, profit-making shoulders and keep on chugging along like the behemoth it is. A horrible fall from grace overall.

[@unicornmilk6158]

People still haven't figured out duality. You can love a game while disliking it's developers bad business practices. You can love a song while still wishing the artist pay for a crime they've committed. You can love a country while understanding it's flaws and what needs to change. Understanding duality is healthy and will lead to a more honest and fleshed out opinion.

[@dolanvanpool5470]

The Steam page does not note that there is any such requirement. I had intended to buy it. Had I, I would have been livid to find that it's a requirement.

[@LukasChrapek]

Yes it has, and it was there from page creation, that requirement was discussed on Reddit 5 months ago.

[@HauntakuTV]

@@LukasChrapek Steam shouldn't list it in countries that it's not available in tbh

[@jjcc8379]

The warning was there *in theory since day one. And that's what bothers me most. All the 🤓🤓accounts can tell "actually it was there. And these little sh*theads are technically true. Btu in practice you can buy the game WITHOUT SEEING THE WARNING on the right side, scrolling down. Before payment, 0 warnings. Even if you are in a non-PSN country. There are bigger warnings if it isn't in your steam language (asian games for example). No warning for these shitty "mandartory" link. And the Sony PSN account link is a risk I dont want to take. I do have a PSN account since i had a PS3. But after the last sony breach (they can't secure anything, PSN accoutn security is a joke) i didn't bother recovering it. What if the PSN accounts are hacked again and they see it's linked to a steam account? Uh oh ...

[@dolanvanpool5470]

@@LukasChrapek I legit checked it. Twice. Have you?

[@LordZedz]

I mean you're just wrong. It very much has the requirement for a PSN account listed on the store page and it has since day one. I know because I bought the game months ago fully expecting to have to make a PSN account. Now we can argue about if that's enough, how gay PSN is, and why the hell they're selling in regions without PSN but it's absolutely on the store page.

[@nocturnalverse5739]

We won. This was probably the most successful review bombing ever. Steam reviews matter. Hopefully future player-bases learn from this. It wasn't a concurrent player drop off that caused SONY to backtrack. It was the review bombing.

[@RoKBottomStudios]

Not just review bombing, but Steam siding with the community by giving refunds and pulling the game from regions that don't have PSN access. battle been won, but the war continues.

[@user-cz4tk2vr9i]

Review Bombing does work, a company does not want to face the consequences of bad publicity, keep it up my fellow divers.

[@side7oldtype298]

Soon you will see future PS titles ported to PC with a note saying "Technically, playing online multiplayer is a PS Plus feature so we're gonna need you to pay for PS+ on Steam". Never tolerate account-linking mandate.

[@dougray30]

Kira, an escape from my reality to the reality of the gaming world.

[@harpuia1379]

Another case of good devs getting messed over by a greedy publisher. SMH. 🤦

[@cheesesniper473]

Sony is the main reason i went to PC gaming only in the first place, and is why i would never purchase any of their products. I found that since i stopped buying "AAA" games, the games that i have been buying haven't sucked.

[@warpathh]

You are the first person to cover this issue and point out the SONY NETWORK GETS HACKED FREQUENTLY. I stopped playing FF MMO's because of this issue over 10 years ago, and decided to give it another try, only to have the same thing happen like 2 hrs ago.