HELLENIC: GREEK & GRIKO (SALENTINE GREEK)

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@ivancoviello2690 Ай бұрын

If you were wondering what this language is, it is Griko, a Greek dialect spoken in Italy, more precisely in the southern area called Salento. The Calabrian variant, however, is called Grecanico.

@user-qq8ry3rr4k Ай бұрын

"dialect"

@ryanmartinez7213 Ай бұрын

In short, a Greek language in Italy, right?

@ivancoviello2690 Ай бұрын

@@ryanmartinez7213 Yes

@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose Ай бұрын

As a South Italian and Greek lady who was even called _Griko_ from a "Greece-Greek" last week 😂, I'm really positively touched by this wonderful coincidence❣️ Love to all people from Italy 🇮🇹/ Bella Italia and Greece 🇬🇷/ ómorfi Elláda❣️ Efcharistó & grazie, Andy❣️

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

fake heritage, you cIaimed to be "persian" in another video

@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 I'm a MULTICULTURAL lady with multiple roots. Look at my DNA test. 😀

@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 MULTIcultural heritage.

@AsylumDaemon Ай бұрын

Honey you said you are Greek, Chechen, Persian, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese, Chinese, Ugandan, Mauritanian, Berber, Navajo, Mayan, Incan, Andamanese WHAT ARE YOUUU?? 😂

@grismuerto Ай бұрын

@@AsylumDaemon she's just acoustic

@ZTGSWOrZaki Ай бұрын

Beautiful language video you got here Andy it’s beautiful

@nikolaospsomas8079 Ай бұрын

I'm Greek, I heard the Griko dialect for the first time and I understood exactly what it was saying

@ElHeraldoHispano Ай бұрын

That's because both Modern Greek and Griko descend from Byzantine Greek (which ultimately descends from Koine Greek). However, I believe you would find Tsakonian more difficult to understand, given that it is the direct descendant of Doric Greek. Tsakonian is the only surviving Hellenic language which does not come from Koine Greek.

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

Griko is ltalic dialect no similarity with modern greek what so ever. The only similarity that exist between those two is a result of a recent greek settlement in calabria and salento

@bunbun5491 Ай бұрын

yeah that's because these 2 examples are the most generic things cited ever, you're already expecting these words and so you understand them

@domenicobarbieri1721 Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072what are you saying?!? Perhaps you wanted to write that Calabrian is an italian dialect? Griko is clearly a modern greek dialect. Moreover both settlements in Salento and Calabria are not recent, they last at least from byzanthine domination ended about 1000 years ago

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

@@domenicobarbieri1721 bs, I am Greek myseIf. I speak Greek, this is not dialect of our language. It's clearly ItaIic with greek lnfluence on it. and NO, the influence is not ancient as there was no greek language being spoken any where on earth for thousands of years. Modern Greek language was actually reinvented in 18th A.D.

@Davlavi Ай бұрын

Great video duo thanks.

@philomelodia Ай бұрын

This is fascinating! It’s like a snapshot of an earlier era. The Delta is still a hard Delta in the dialect. It had not changed into a dental fricative yet. Sounds beautiful. I have been a Helena file since I was a boy. Something about it just gets me.

@brendangordon2168 Ай бұрын

"The Delta is still a hard Delta in the dialect. It had not changed into a dental fricative yet." Like the difference between Italian and Spanish

@philomelodia Ай бұрын

@@brendangordon2168 yes, very similar.

@MrAllmightyCornholioz Ай бұрын

Sounds like an Italian speaking Greek.

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

yes, it is

@MrAllmightyCornholioz Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 Είμαι εγώ, Μάριο

@joncohen8791 Ай бұрын

That’s exactly what it is

@ellinmakedon1216 Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072albanian Troll👽🛸

@kristaps5296 Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 Itsa me, turkalbano

@alphae-student1269 Ай бұрын

Please keep up with the Greek language and Dialects!!!

@aleeka1928 Ай бұрын

Please compare Mongolian and Hungarian 🇲🇳🇭🇺

@Camaron8928 Ай бұрын

It’s a shame that the only European country linked to the Mongols is freaking Hungary which is a backward racist barely surviving country even by europoor standards.

@FreeThinkervl8mx Ай бұрын

Bengali vs Chakma Chakma vs Marma Burmese vs Arakanese Burmese vs Marma Fula vs Dioula Assamese vs Nagamese Kinyarwanda vs Kirundi Amharic vs Tigrinya Algerian Tamazight vs Moroccan Tamazight Swahili vs Shikomore Somali vs Afar French vs Sango Setswana vs Sesotho Ndebele vs Shona Nauruan vs Kiribati Please, Andy🥺

@angelb.823 Ай бұрын

The question is, is there Latin or Italian influence on the Griko dialect, which survived through years (ancient and medieval)? Which shaped it the way it is currently heard?

@giorgetto5831 Ай бұрын

It is Greek mixed with Latin. "Probably" already at the beginning with the Greek colonies, they had settled in Salento (With the Spartans), and subsequently, with the Latins, all this was lost, except perhaps for a few words, and again, with the advent of the Byzantines, Greek spread again, so much so that in the Salento area there was the Orthodox religion until a few centuries ago (when we all converted to Catholicism), and this is demonstrated by the "songs of the passion" (passiuna tu Xristù), where various elements of Orthodox Christianity are mentioned, such as the Patriarchs themselves. All this then mixed with what was medieval Latin, and subsequently the Sicilian vulgar (the Lecce dialect), giving rise to what is now the griko (which is what we call Greek in dialect), but today, between school, politics... Greek is spoken by very few people, aged 45/50 and over, and only a few young people.

@giorgetto5831 Ай бұрын

I point out that no one spoke Italian in southern Italy before 1800, when the people of northern Italy (who spoke French in the west and Venetian in the east) came here and conquered the South. So there is no Italian influence, except in the most modern words.

@FedeDiver1 Ай бұрын

@@giorgetto5831 this is totally incorrect, both the part about the South and the North..they spoke French??? And don’t even get me started about the part of the conquering…

@giorgetto5831 Ай бұрын

@@FedeDiver1 In northern Italy, in Piedmont, a lot of people spoke French (Provencal), some people Piedmontese and others Italian. My saying that they spoke French was a simple affront, since few people in Italy spoke Italian, being a roof language, dropped from above but never wanted by the people. In fact, Italian in griko has influenced only the most modern words, such as television, telephone etc. all things that arrived here after the Second World War in a very very small form, considering that there was even only one television for each Village.

@giorgetto5831 Ай бұрын

@@FedeDiver1 Then personally I don't understand what's wrong in saying the pure reality of the facts that the North conquered the South 😂. In the south, Neapolitan was spoken (in almost the entire south), Sicilian (in Sicily, the south of Calabria, and the south of Puglia), and various minority languages, including Griko. Nobody spoke Italian, except a few authors, but to say that Italian was spoken here because the authors spoke it, it's like saying that in Italy we all speak English because right now I'm writing to you in English. We learned Italian through television and at school. I can understand your annoyance at my generalization about French, which was a phrase of mine aimed precisely at generalizing, and yes, it is wrong to make generalizations to avoid misunderstandings, I know that too 😂. But for the rest it is the reality of the facts, in the south Italian has never been spoken, as in the north, except for rare exceptions of some groups of people. French has influenced many of our dialects, as has Spanish.

@Pan20006 Ай бұрын

Greek with Chinese have been ranked by UNESCO the 2 oldest recorded written languages still in use

@user-oi4cn7rt8t 10 күн бұрын

Αs a Greek I understood everything in Griko very easily

@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619 Ай бұрын

Can u do Greek vs Tosk

@user-vz1wk1oi4s Ай бұрын

Griko? Dialect or language closely related to Greek?

@itacom2199 Ай бұрын

Greek spoken in Southern Italy

@ivancoviello2690 Ай бұрын

Yes, for be more precise griko is the greek dialect of Salento,southern Puglia. Grecanico its the greek dialect of southern Calabria

@angsilaw Ай бұрын

I think some linguists classify it as a langauge and others as a dialect, so I think it’s one of those things walking the grey area between the two terms.

@Argacyan Ай бұрын

Like, think of Southern Italy. Okay, that region used to be called Magna Graecia or Greater Greece and the region used to be Greek. Griko is what is left from that.

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

No It's an italic dialect

@KingsleyAmuzu Ай бұрын

Is it a separate language or a dialect?

@chenush54elgamerproyoutubeRrRr Ай бұрын

Can You Spanish Argentina And Portugese Brazil Please?

@leonardoschiavelli6478 Ай бұрын

Griko flag resembles quite well to Abkhazia one. 😇

@Kurdedunaysiri Ай бұрын

it 's very different. I did not expect that.

@_my_insomnia_blink562 Ай бұрын

It's not really, as a Greek I understood everything with ease.

@Kurdedunaysiri Ай бұрын

@@_my_insomnia_blink562 maybe because you have heard everything in Greek first.

@Tigran-Abazyan Ай бұрын

Well because influence of latin and later italian languages to the greek language in Italy turning it to Griko or shoud i call Italiote Greek.

@claudioflocco7456 Ай бұрын

Quanto sono intercomprensibili %?

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

less than 5%

@claudioflocco7456 Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 😯

@apmoy70 Ай бұрын

@@supermavro6072 I'd say 80-90% it has some _italicisms_ and some _ancient/medieval_ obsolete words in Modern Greek

@ranath410 3 күн бұрын

Nel griko ci sono parole desuete o parole con una pronuncia particolare, ma in generale si può comunicare senza grossi problemi. In Italia tra italiano e molti dialetti ci sono differenze più importanti di quante non ce ne siano realmente tra greco e griko. Nel caso del video, il griko usato, è una variante che non ho mai sentito, essendo un dialetto non è standardizzato e ogni paese ha la sua versione e questa è diversa da quella del mio paese, alcune versioni sono veramente molto simili al greco moderno. D'altronde dopo la perdita dei territori bizantini del sud Italia, la produzione letteraria in greco e i contatti con i greci dell'est Europa son continuati e questo ha permesso al griko di non latinizzarsi eccessivamente e di mantenere in uso termini arcaici. Pensiamo a tutte le famiglie di greci che dalle coste del mar ionio si sono stabilite in Salento dopo la caduta delle loro terre in mano turca o tramite i commerci sotto la dominazione veneziana, famiglie delle quali alcuni cognomi esistono ancora oggi.

@claudioflocco7456 3 күн бұрын

@@ranath410 grazie ☺️ davvero esaustivo! Tu sei del Salento? il greco di Calabria lo capisci? È più differente dal greco standard?

@werehuman2999 Ай бұрын

The first one sounds like Spanish, the second one does like Italian👍

@cheerful_crop_circle Ай бұрын

Some people say that Greek sounds like Russian and not Spanish. I also think Greek sounds more like Russian than Spanish

@Kostas_2023 Ай бұрын

Actually, you are supposed to pronounce "n" in pende (5) in Modern Greek, too. It just sounds more posh or educated. Same goes with lots of other words that include ντ: d/nd, μπ: b/mb, or γκ: g/ng. εντυπωσιάζω, εμπιστοσύνη, εγκατάσταση

@olbiomoiros Ай бұрын

Yes, I get the ick every time time people don’t pronounce the n properly. I also get annoyed when people pronounce συγγραφέας as if it only has one γ. Modern Greek speakers especially youth must really learn to properly pronounce diphthongs and double letters.

@olbiomoiros Ай бұрын

I once told this to someone from that rotten city Athens, and they mocked me in response.

@Kostas_2023 Ай бұрын

@@olbiomoiros This is because συγγραφέας is /ŋγ/, φεγγάρι is /ŋg/, and συγγνώμη is a plain /γ/.

@Kostas_2023 Ай бұрын

@@olbiomoiros Funny to hear, as someone born and raised in Athens, and speaking correctly.

@Kostas_2023 Ай бұрын

Think of the difference between "singer" and "finger."

@akoska Ай бұрын

What is GRIKO language please?

@michelenisita7762 Ай бұрын

A typical language spoken in Calabria and Puglia, in Southern Italy. It comes from the standard Greek

@ivancoviello2690 Ай бұрын

@@michelenisita7762 No,the tipical Calabrian greek dialect its called Grecanico. This is Griko and its spoken in Salento, Southern Puglia

@angsilaw Ай бұрын

@@michelenisita7762it doesn’t come from standard Greek, it descended from medieval Greek

@michelenisita7762 Ай бұрын

@@angsilaw ops, my bad you're right

@supermavro6072 Ай бұрын

It a south italian/italic dialect

@monikadrozdowska2065 Ай бұрын

language is the italy

@carlosalerno98 Ай бұрын

Love this video / Λατρεύω αυτό το βίντεο ❤ Here is a link of a song in Griko, a cover sang by Marco Mengoni kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2bLoKaHpaaSoZIsi=dvyNx45dPqlyunqJ