My $3000 Summing Mixer And Why I Bought It | Dangerous Music 2 Bus+

[@MakePopMusic]

The dynamics, depth, and air it brought out in the mix was top notch. Definitely a great addition in any studio doing mixbus processing! Everything Dangerous makes is absolute gas too!

[@HelpMeDevvon]

I’m new to the family but Iam so happy about this thing. It’s so special to my setup now

[@RR-mu4ou]

Love your videos Devvon. Did you replace the Neve with the Dangerous?

[@HelpMeDevvon]

@@RR-mu4ou no I’m using them together now 😈😈😈

[@HelpMeDevvon]

@DarkTrap Studio correct after the summing mixer it hits my portico MBP

[@supergman312]

Exactly what I was going to say! Depth like crazzzzyyyyyy bro

[@timvincent8649]

The thing I'm actually the most impressed by is how informational and how professional you are showcasing gear. Talking only about what's necessary and then let the music speak of itself. Really good job! And of course the 2Bus+ is amazing.

[@804EBEATS]

Owner here. One of the best summing mixers on the market for the price. Anything else higher would be for either distinct sound and/or taste.

[@tronmosesmedia4816]

I'm thinking about throwing mine on Reverb, I don't even use it. The little it does to your music I can do in the box.

[@sauldelgadocolon]

Would like to see a video on the combination/workflow of the Portico & the 2Bus+ as I am considering these units myself. Thanks for your great reviews!

[@12keysin1]

Yes sirr I have this device and it definitely gives you the depth, width, and separation in the tracks give you better details. I love using it. It definitely breathe life into your mix.

[@richmish3226]

You use it in the mastering stage?

[@shrednut]

Immediately obvious this was an amazing buy! Thanks for running us through it! Checks wallet …. Nope 😓

[@REMRODFILMS]

summing def is needed to give it that glue and punch, i use UAD version in luna and it def works! You the goat!

[@lehlogonolomnguni8814]

I immediately hear certain parts of my ear relax and enjoy the sound better. A video explaining all these nuances and how they affect the ear would be great.

[@EDawg_32]

the way you explain things and go about your videos is always so good thank you so much

[@lkmusic9840]

Sounds great! Congrats on the new addition 🔥

[@DjRevolver]

I get away with the same process using a Behringer x-32 (Biggest home studio cheat I think)... In 1 piece I get a summing mixer, outboard channel strips (32 channels), Insert effects (Behringer or your own hardware pieces, multiple outputs for monitors, streams, inserts. Basically for me it really brings "in the box" out of the box 👍🏽

[@forsale313]

That's what I'm talking about Bro'....They Sleepin' on Behringer(zzzzzzzzzzz) let em' sleep tho', that means the prices will stay realistic and the Quality high.

[@adamhurst86]

Bruh... Behringer x-32 is a digital mixing console - Does not have active analog path. 🤣

[@kaisersoze9488]

all it is is a stereo spreader I use my ssl six super analog summing mixer to achieve this specially on the mono signals and get a huge headroom... on the stereo signal I just pass the signal through and if I wanted to use external gear I have the ability for expansion great video bro make sure you check your stereo correlation after you bounce the track

[@DjeepManova]

Great one Devvon !! i do have one too and i was wondering what this harmonic button was about ! Great video !

[@LosFicosMusic]

Welcome to Analog Mixing!!! Fire 🔥

[@eleven21_music]

I have the dbox and I love it! The 2 Bus gives you so much more flexibility. Your already great sound is going to another level with that piece!

[@HelpMeDevvon]

YES IM SO HAPPY WITH IT!

[@busyworksbeats]

Big fire 🔥

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Its odee bro!!!

[@tkelong3569]

This is one of those things that’s nice to have and I’m sure is very helpful, but no one needs a summing mixer. It’s like having a new $35000 Fairchild hardware compressor. Yes, it will sound great (If applied properly) yet again, no one needs that to make a great sounding record. That’s awesome you have one! NJoy

[@YS-MAC]

Damn, that’s heat 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@gtnep]

Song is amazing and the help really helped. Everything makes sense

[@nicholasflores8100]

I've had mine for years ! Absolutely love it !

[@sc5021]

I’ve got the 2bus+ with an SSL fusion on the insert and a G-bus compressor on that insert, back into the Dangerous Convert AD+. Serious analog love on the mix bus. Great video!

[@NurseWalker]

Can you explain your routing in more depth please? I’m trying to learn hardware to increase my skills

[@NurseWalker]

And would you say this device is a better pic vs the RN Portico ii?

[@sc5021]

@@NurseWalker I haven't used the Portico II, but it's a full master bus processor where as the 2 bus + is a summing mixer. Different piece of gear really.

[@sc5021]

@@NurseWalker I route out of Protools from an Apollo x16 to the 2 Bus+ via 16 channels. The insert on the 2Bus+ is routed the SSL Fusion, and the insert of the Fusion is routed to a SSL style G Bus Compressor. Since these are inserts, all audio routes back to the 2bus+, and then to my Convert AD+ which is my master clock and ADC. I route that back into protools to record a final pass.

[@OkayyyBee]

@@sc5021 I never understand what people mean by routing “via 16 channels” how do you do that at once? Rather how would I do that on my focusrite Scarlett 18i20

[@koffikouma8589]

This thing is just dangerously GREAT. i should buy it

[@official_a-troy9648]

Do you have to print the audio after It runs through the gear? Or no

[@dangerousmusic]

Excellent Review 🔥 Thank you!

[@ibrahim47x]

I’d be curious to see how you have this patched into your DAW physically then digitally

[@LosFicosMusic]

Its easy my friend u buy a Snake 🐍 cable.. route it from the apollo to the device.. then the exit are two out puts left and right which u put back into your apollo.. then print.. into a new stereo channel.. but remember you gotta mess with the inputs and outputs on each channel to set it up..

[@itzdbondabeat]

Really nice piece! Def got my interest.

[@danymalsound]

Great vid, man! Best demo I've seen of this unit. Cheers!

[@LeoDaShaman]

Awesome video Devvon 👌🏾 the peace sounds great

[@THEFUTURESOUNDBEAT]

i can fell it really its gives a new color to the track i think you did a great deal

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Yea it’s giving a color that I’m dialing in. No plugins at all just a color

[@THEFUTURESOUNDBEAT]

@@HelpMeDevvon man without Jesus christ where is this gear coming from is it from another planet dam

[@AndyKingCo]

I love this track!!!

[@xxspinzzxx]

2 years later and I’m still looking for this song.

[@acollectionofdaves]

Great video and totally agree about this box! Shared it on my studio insta page story as well! Cheers!!

[@centell100]

Definitely adding this to my rack. Sidenote: Bro pen game is sickening 🙌🏾🤣

[@goingglobalmusicgroup2555]

Fire sir we need a video on how to set it up in ProTools

[@IglooBeats]

You always been dope bro!!! Im gonna try the neve 8816

[@tytansoundlab]

I had the 2Buss+ for 3 years. It sounds great but I switched to Burl B32 with Burl ADC. The tone is night and day with the Burl. I have other outboard gear so I rarely used the color options on the 2Buss. If you don’t have any other gear the 2Buss is perfect for a one stop shop👌🏾.

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Yo that BURL ! I heard it’s RIDICULOUS

[@tytansoundlab]

@@HelpMeDevvon yes it is. What are you capturing you sum print with? Going back to the interface or do you have a separate AD converter?

[@LosFicosMusic]

@@tytansoundlab yea hows that burl? Wow. I got the Dangerous 2 Bus (purple box original) its nice but the cooper Transformer makes it sound kind of sharp.. but the separation is beautiful and sounds Vintage.

[@tytansoundlab]

@@LosFicosMusic Burl is great. Harder you hit it more color you get.

[@Getemprod.]

i have the burl B32 and the ssl fusion the api5500 and the api2500 and lynx hilo jeeeez pure swetness

[@DreamslideProductions]

So you take the out of say your vocals into this unit, and then record the output of the bus plus back into pro tools, then mute the original vocals and just use the new print as your full vocal track? Am I understanding that right?

[@el_audiman]

I have the dangerous 2bus LT and I feel absolutely no difference , am i doing something wrong? Am routing everything in 8 stereo groups from the avid 16x16 interface . But I feel no diferencie between the in box and the summed version . Am I doing something wrong ?

[@mannyferrer193]

Hey I just ordered this piece and was wondering. I use the God particle on my mixes do you still use that ? So like when you send stems to the 2bus and back into Pro tools as a stereo then do you bounce that out with your mix bus chain like red comp , God particle and so on. Then take that to a mastering engineer or mastering session and master that? Thanks in advance just started following your vids and podcast super informative and helpful💪🏼

[@MegaMonaco1]

Can you use a plugin like the God Particle with a summing mixer? How would you set up the routing? Usually with a summing mixer, one will add a mix return track to record into the DAW from the summing mixer. I'm using Ableton Live and want to know how to set this up

[@JlDaBlackSuperman]

Got a question. Would you use this piece along with Slate digital SSL or NEVE emulation or would that be to much?

[@mrmorpheus9707]

YOUR REVERBS ARE ALWAYS NICE

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Fabfilter PRO R Verb

[@bikesandbeats4693]

I moved to a DBox+ a couple years ago. Totally takes your sound to the next level just off the better monitoring alone. Just say goodbye to offline bounce. 😂

[@shevyjohn9308]

better quality printing than bounce

[@bikesandbeats4693]

@@shevyjohn9308Not anymore. Both methods null out, at least in pro tools.

[@JagtarSingh-se8lw]

WTF. Amazing. I heard you talking about in Podcast but Fck damn. Wasn’t expecting this great results.

[@JagtarSingh-se8lw]

Btw Tell us that song name too bro its dope.

[@mr.thurman4637]

Could you show us or do you have a video on what it is to smash a signal? I tried my own parallel compression a multitude of ways but I'm not sure I'm doing it the way you may be.

[@YOLO-pj3hh]

Oh my God, this is night and day in mixing summing!!! I was planning to get the RND 5057 bus this is my new option now. Have you try this Dangerous vs RND 5057?

[@tedruis967]

Boss I love how you did the voice reverb & delay can you help me set that up like this

[@JarardKenneth]

Def fenna look into this!

[@Letsgetbread8500]

Now your radio ready💪💪💪💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥

[@jayshubfooty7144]

Yea...this sounds great...definitely would love some more info on it✊

[@khayree]

Your channel is EXCELLENT! Great music and info. Thank you

[@michaelyolch79]

Exceptionally well done video! :)

[@HerrWacher]

Excellent overview of the box. I’m just about to make the jump on one, this has definitely helped push me closer to the edge!

[@Analoque444]

Have fun with the great equipment. Unfortunately, I only have such cheap speakers, but on the other hand it sounds good here. There's something to it about real analogue devices.

[@byus6928]

I have outboard gear on my I/O though. So how would I use my outboard gear with this summer at the same time. I have a lynx aroura n.

[@ankh9ether]

Hello, I'm using a Dangerous 2bus+. I connected everything as it should be from/to my Orion Studio (it's pretty much a common sense setup). However, for some reason, I keep getting feedback when I go Main Outs from the 2Bus+ into any inputs on my interface. I'm sure it's something simple being overlooked. Any idea on what it could be?

[@jayemakebeats]

Great presentation. Im sold....Thanks!

[@johnnyvegas2015]

Great tutorial...thanks so much, it was very useful....cheers

[@mrmorpheus9707]

I have an older dangerous 2 bus, im def gonna upgrade

[@Huntermusic17]

Excellent work Devon! I have learned a lot from you. Thank you so much. That being said, I still want to see your ego come out in your lyrics. This reminds me of Boyz 2 Men. I think "Don't get left behind" as a concept would be more edgy. But hey I'm just a guy in the comments...what do I know? I just know you could blow up as an artist and I'm rooting for you!

[@doziermuzic]

Great info Devvon

[@tedruis967]

How do you select just the vocals to add that ?

[@REALEXIT]

i want the song when it will drop ??

[@ThaRealDawn]

To me the harmonic sounded like it open the vocal up and gave it space. not so restricted. like it isolated the vocals from the natural noise

[@Only1Science]

Dope song BTW. It has the texture of one of my favorite songs/mixes: Usher's "Mars vs Venus".

[@exothrill999]

Is this youre only analog gear ? And how did you connect it to youre Apollo thanks for youre answer it would help me

[@HelpMeDevvon]

I have a neve portico master buss ii as well

[@exothrill999]

sick bro do you still got the prism audio interface?

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Would you mind showing us you software routing, so we can see what you sent to which outputs?

[@boutstaxx]

That thing got u sounding like Usher Luv it

[@dadriannel1]

Yoo thank you bro I have some dangerous units I’m curious how ur set up is. I seen the new 2bus + I really want and now u made it clear I need this in my studio

[@riktascale4]

I have a 2 bus + combined with a d box. Lovely piece of equipment. Now to add Neve mbp through the insert button. But if you use the harmonics knob on lead vocal therefore you would have to mix it in stereo because you can't use it on output 9 or 10. Are you doing this?

[@stepheno7747]

what's the name of this song your using

[@physicz8916]

Is this better the fireface ff ucx ll?

[@77advanced]

All changes made on mix buss stereo channel in bus+, not in summing), you can do it with any analogue color stereo box.

[@barneyrubble8255]

then why doesnt someone make a unit that you just put on your stereo bus to make it sound like api the box then or neve5060? and no the silver bullet DOES not sound anywhere near as good as api the box or 5060. so whats the problem

[@77advanced]

@barneyrubble8255 because it is little bit more than a summing boxes. It is not summing that determines the character of the sound, but the type of transformers and opamps at the output stage and inside the chain. In case of 5060, you can use pair of 542 on a digital sum and get that sound with a small amount of drive and red silk.

[@barneyrubble8255]

you can not get two 542's to sound like a 5060 (weight depth and glue) show me this audio comparison lol and you can't get a stereo api 5500 eq with its opamp to sound like api the box. So whatever is going on inside 5060 and api box it isnt just throwing a stereo transformer and opamp on to the mixbus,

[@barneyrubble8255]

@@77advanced as for the summing itself, i think there would need to be more examples than just one guy on youtube who used the dinkiest form of electronics and is hostile to summing, therefore bias, to proof conclusively that sending each channel through imperfect analog paths does nothing to the sound in every summer ... science works by repeatable experiments and varied experiments ...(the fab filter demo guy with the accent)

[@77advanced]

@@barneyrubble8255 I get what i want from api with 2500 and some pres. If you operate with terms like glue, depth and so on then again it is not what summing do. If we talking here about not just summing boxes like dangerous, but about devices with a lot of electronics inside, then they definitely has it's own sound.

[@lilian896]

Love drums and shakers.

[@ramonfelizjr]

Such amazing voice , You should be Top 10 billboards hits.

[@justindeming]

I’ll be looking for that follow up video on summing.

[@vancenichols9490]

Yep... replacing a TON of plugins is certainly a good argument for purchasing this unit... Thanks so much for your daring spirit in pursuing audio excellence! 😀

[@vancenichols9490]

In researching this device on the manufacturer's website, I see that this unit has 8 pairs of analog inputs. I'm curious to know what audio interface are you using to send your DAW audio into each of the inputs of the Summing Mixer unit?

[@HelpMeDevvon]

I’m using a prism sound titan! 8 channel!

[@vancenichols9490]

@@HelpMeDevvon awesome! I'm so looking forward to seeing your next video and how your workflow will be augmented due to using this new device! Thanks for all that you do and for your reply!

[@zackburnam7032]

how to you connect it to your interface... provide the blueprint

[@drunit8122]

I sold my Mix Bus+ for the Burl B32. Either way you cant go wrong with outboard summing.

[@eudon2000]

Why?

[@drunit8122]

@@eudon2000 Double the I/O for practically the same cost and I have other outboard gear for EQ, multi band comp and "coloring"

[@dinerocarter]

you think this is useful if I’m only mixing mostly 2 tracks ?

[@ericb-amuur9897]

You can hear the difference even in a cell speaker. Amazing. My PC so old it starts to crash with modest amount of plugins

[@mverzola]

A non-level matched A/B is worthless. It sounds better because it got noticeably louder. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ericb-amuur9897]

@@mverzola I have only been learning to mix and record for about a few months so I have no argument with that and I'm definitely speaking from an amateur position

[@em8969]

Thankyou Devvon

[@J2003-i8q]

damn you make me want to buy this off rip, I'm going to research into more budget options but sometimes the cost is worth the quality

[@LegendSummingMusic]

Where can I get This song 🎵

[@BossAtwork69]

Which virtual instrument you use to record hiphop Bass ???

[@mickeysol2107]

I have the Rupert Neve 5057. How do I go about properly routing it with my Apollo x8 and Protools?

[@shevyjohn9308]

using the interface manager it’s not that hard bro connect all the out from your interface using a snake db25 cable

[@byus6928]

@@shevyjohn9308but then how do I use my outboard gear that’s on my I/O. I have a lynx aurora n

[@tommytamagotchi3569]

I have the 5057 but I’m 95% sure I’m going to sell it and go with the 2bus+ .. I think the 5057 is too transparent for my liking , and the ability to toggle between transformers on this 2bus+ is exactly what I need

[@Devanshachance]

We’re did you get the lights on your walls at ?

[@deadislander]

I just got the original dbox in mint condition somehow. the depth on that thing alone is crazy.

[@Whywhatwherehowwhen]

Be interested to see a null test without the paralimit, harmonics and xformer engaged. Dan Worrall (the guy who does all the tutorials for fabfilter) has null tested a neve summing mixer and found no difference to digital summing. I’ve got a feeling you’d get the same results just running your master stereo out through this so could save money on upgrading your interface for the additional outputs needed to sum in this.

[@barneyrubble8255]

dan worral should make a stereo bus unit that sounds exactly like an api the box or neve 5060 then ...but of course he cannot. those units are designed so that the summing does something, unlike dan worrals extremely limited experiment

[@Whywhatwherehowwhen]

@ what they do is impart tone with their amp stages and other add ons like the neve silk. The summing in and of itself makes no difference.

[@barneyrubble8255]

@@Whywhatwherehowwhen There hasnt been a thorough test to say wether summing itself makes no difference, just one youtube video by a guy who is bias... and last time i checked it wasnt a neve summing mixer that dan worall tested, unless he's done another experiment

[@Whywhatwherehowwhen]

@@barneyrubble8255 how can you call someone telling you NOT to buy something bias ? he's not telling you to buy something else instead. if anything, the people who've invested thousands in this stuff are the biased ones. it was the ams neve 8816 summing mixer not the rupert neve designs 5060.

[@barneyrubble8255]

@@Whywhatwherehowwhen By his tone you can tell he"s biased he also is well invested in the "plugin mentalitiy" promoting the idea to buy the plugins he promotes not outboard analog gear slagging outboard helps their sales, hes not he only one who does that. Look at the sheer popularity of this one video with one experiment where he doesnt even tell you what summing unit it was. where did you get the information that it was ams neve 8816 ? The proper way to do the experiment would be to test the 8816 (or any other summing hardware) both just on the stereo mix and also as summing 16 channels. involve the ears and the eyes with his null test .. he doesnt even tell us what unit it is never mind let us hear. his test sucks I get everyone wants to save money and think their laptop sounds as good as a vintage consoles from the 70s or as good as modern 5088 consoles 100 000 dollar api consoles. but im going to need more experiments than that fab filtre guys youtube video with its single "mystery unit" and eyes only experiment

[@JewelzFin]

Nice review. I forgot to leave that earlier. lol

[@chadfayrobinson7537]

Do you still have the Portico 2 ?????????

[@mottamix]

Hi Devvon. Can you help me with this doubt? If you just pass the audio through Summing without changing any parameters does it somehow reduce transients or compress the audio? Or does it return the audio identical to the one that entered?

[@muneerbigbaby4838]

Great pick up

[@damnxela]

Hey Devvon, how is the hardware connected to the rest of your setup? Signal flow wise

[@richmish3226]

This would be your last step before sending it to master?

[@mprhustle888]

have you ever had issues with ground loops or static noise in you home studio if so how did you deal with it

[@АлексейВискалов-и6х]

thanks for the important video!

[@KnowledgeCookedItUp]

Do you use the summing mixer at the end of the process ,on the master or do you use it on like a “vox aux” or “drum bus” before sending it out to the master