Why use analog summing if this exists? || Hornet Analog Stage MK2

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much for the video 😊 of course we haven’t seen anything before the video release otherwise we would have asked to explain the grouping function , the “send to all” para,etera that allows you to change the configuration of the “console” with one click and the “auto” gain staging, but that’s a cool video nevertheless 😁

[@Whiteseastudio]

Fun fact is that I’ve tested all those features but it didn’t make it into the edit for this video… “gotta keep ‘m audience retention high”

[@G_handle]

@@Whiteseastudio Really!

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@Whiteseastudio fair :D my comment was a way to highlight your independence and the fact that the video was a complete surprise for us too :D

[@KitKalvert]

@HoRNet Plugins Great plugin.. I work on dance music all in the box at the moment..Would you say this plugin is more for Live Instruments or would it benefit or work better on my VSTs runnnig currently at 48,000hz

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@KitKalvert well it all depends on the kind of feeling you want to get, if you make clean impactful elm I don't think you should use analog emulations at all but if you want a more retro vibe...why not

[@daniiel1495]

Hornet is one of THE best companies out. I’ve used their plugins on every track for several years, now. VU Meter and Hornet Tape are my favorites. Plus, NO DRM. NO SUBSCRIPTIONS. Pay ONCE. That alone makes them the best.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much for your support :)

[@barchel]

Hey Wytse, this is not really relevant to the video but I wanted to say thank you for all the work that you do for the audio engineering community, you obviously have a passion for the subjects you talk about, and your reviews are witty, realistic and insightful. so yeah, thank you :)

[@Hybrxd]

Agree there are fewer Sound KZbinrs I trust and Wytse is one of them because he calls out bs

[@mookiiieeee]

Lmfao this is so sad. Dude is probably the worst teacher in existence

[@Hybrxd]

I think you got the wrong channel this ain't a tutorial or education channel lol

[@barchel]

I'm saying that the snake oil series makes it a lot easier to figure out what plugins are not for your workflow or what plugins are just plain bad

[@gregrutledge]

Pulled up an old project, put this on a drum bus (op-amp), strings (tube - replacing decapitator), and acoustic guitar (tube) and BAM - I could hear how I needed to tweak EQ & compression on everything else. Spent the last hour making those tweaks and I finally have a mix with the energy I always wanted. The op-amp setting gives the best API vibe. Better than my much loved slate digital virtual mic buss. The tube setting is really nice on the right stuff too. Thank you for this gift!!

[@HoRNetWeb]

You are more than welcome :) in the and of the day what matter to us is to give you nice sounding tools at the best possible price so everybody can have access to them!

[@MarvelJAM]

HoRNet is an absolutely excellent developer. The devs are responsive to the community and always innovating. Oh, and no crappy DRM to run the software

[@kalidesu]

He does make some 'off the wall' interesting stuff.

[@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY]

He's a good developer, but the caveat is that he hasn't been able to compete against TEAMS (plural for people) like Klanghelm, Softube, Izotope, even House of Kush/Kush Audio or Tone Projects even. The only solo developer that has been able to compete against giants like Waves Israel and Softube is the Voxengo developer and he's one of the first to make VST effect plugins without using the limiting SynthEdit software developer kits! Unfortunately, most of his plugins have been upstaged more recently by TEAMS (plural) of developers doing the same thing. As the old axiom goes, "the lone wolf dies alone"...you need a TEAM to compete out here.

[@pelennorDSP]

@@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY I'm going to disagree with you there, there's some amazing work out there by solo developers .. Analog Obsession, airwindows, Audio Assault, Tukan, , Viator DSP, Yuri Semenov just off the top of my head. Sure, you're unlikely to see certain niche products like say Izotope Neutron from a solo developer due to the scale issue you mention. But one thing I do know, is that the solo developers tend to make relatively streamlined software, and it's either free or great value for money. I tend to use it more often than the "big team" type software, to be perfectly honest.

[@anonymousbrowser4448]

Tb pro audio is also a solo developer if i remember correctly

[@tobytodelafontena]

@@pelennorDSP Absolutely right, and when you work with Ableton this can be applied on Max For Live devices, lot of lonely developers make amazing devices.

[@vigilantestylez]

This is also a gain stage plugin as well. If you use auto, it will set everything to 0 VU. Or up to 3 VU. It will do it in all instances. It's very nice. Went and got it after watching this video. 😎

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much, the plugin is meant to be used as first insert, like a mixer preamp so made sense to add automatic gain for gain staging :)

[@cassidymalone]

At first I was like this looks like a Dana Carvey skit from SNL.... But then I saw the setup and started listening. Dude knows what he is talking about. Keep up the good work.

[@danbriggs3106]

I know at our age its tough to really take in compliments but there's something about you and your videos that is highly interesting and addictive. never question to fit in if this is how brilliant you are unique !! @ White Sea studio

[@KennyGuyte]

Yes his assessment’s do appear to be authentic.

[@MabawaVocal]

You are the only producer I learn from on you tube,you critique these plugs so well,keep up best producer

[@qoiet6049]

hey hi, just wanted to say two things: 1. your reviews are my favorite reviews on youtube 2. your fingernails look especially dope on this one *fire emoji*

[@sebbityseb]

Awesome! Would love to see your take on the Airwindows summing systems, the Console environments - especially Console7 and Console8

[@putte_stuttgart]

I second that wish. :)

[@tonal.states]

Generally on more Airwindows plugins would be cool!

[@tonal.states]

Also latest Analog obsession stuff like his BLENDEQ is really nice imo

[@flipnap2112]

man. I just tried that plugin and WOW. im not easily impressed. that thing rocks. it definitely work some magic and it doesnt just sound like an EQ preset. thing is great and the UI is really clean, they didnt go for scratches and screws. just love it. what a great company

[@Mcgiver699]

Now go and get their Tape emulator and VU meter. You won't regret it my friend.

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@Mcgiver699 thank you :)

[@HoRNetWeb]

I personally hate scratches and screws, I'm always after the LCARS star trek vibe :D

[@chillwalker]

I watched Dans Video about the digital Summing..and I was surprized. I really was still thinking there must be some loss when I summ all in the box (64 Channels reduced to a Stereo), and always felt a little lazy when I dont do at least an analog Busmix. But...Dan had cured this...finall! Good man, the Dan! ;-) But speaking of analog emulatin: As I am still working with Cakewalk as one of my main DAWs, I rediscovered its channel emulation plugin, that is on every Bus and Track with 3 different Console Types (the obvois ones)...and it truly makes awarm, punchy difference!

[@Falkon303]

I'm tempted to create a plugin with the default settings of "Autogain off", "Hiss enabled", and "Oversampling .05%" max, just so I can see you smash your computer keyboard apart.

[@_allcap]

don't forget to make it vintage looking and have lost of rusty screws..and a big interface lol

[@KOjoeBeats]

Yes. And NO DEMO

[@Chillywillystyle]

Fantastic content! I absolutely love this channel, you are right in line with my opinion on about everything

[@ramspencer5492]

This one sounds really good. Particularly that tube setting

[@johnisrael5183]

I honestly believe the the T Racks Tape Series, Softube Harmonics, PA Black Box and Light Usage of PA Karacter Master Plugin, is about the best route to go as far as Saturation, no one is touching those four plug ins as far as in the Box Mixing

[@Elektronijaenis]

The age thing probably mostly emulates deteriorating electrolytic caps. The effect was pretty similar in tubes and both of transistor types (opamps are just a bunch of transistors, usually in the same chip package). Besides tubes the electrolytic caps are the part that actually age significantly. Transistors (and opamps) age too, but far less and slower especially in preamps.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Actually it changes the capacitors so it changes frequency response, and changes the bias in transistor and tube while in opamp simulates the power unit giving less current and thus changing the saturation point

[@Elektronijaenis]

@@HoRNetWeb Yes. It changes the capacitance, but can the effects really be simplified like that? It will also change ESR and DC-leakage. How these affect the circuit will depend on what the cap is doing in the circuit. Probably the most audible change would be the the low frequency response because of the coupling caps. But how on earth would capacitors change how much current is available on the power supply? Are we talking about old fashioned linear power supply in this? (I wouldn't really see the point in simulating a switch mode PSU here.)

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@Elektronijaenis sure, on pampas the effect is just to change the frequency of the coupling DC filters (bringing them into audible spectrum) and also changing the cutoff of the feedback loop. Regarding the power amp, keep in mind that we are simulating 80s stuff here, switching were not common in power amp so we have big transformers, power rectifiers, power transistors used for stabilization and big electrolitics used as current buffers, what happens when this capacitors dry out? less current to handle big peaks in audio, this in turns creates more saturation.

[@Elektronijaenis]

@@HoRNetWeb Yes. Transformers, rectifiers and filtering. That's exactly why I thought your answer was weird. I can understand a bit less current on peaks if there are any peaks. However... That mainly applies to power amps (class AB and such). However, mixers are preamp circuitry and as such should pull mainly quite even current. So... That's why I don't really get what you are explaining something about the peaks. But anyhow... There might be something I'm not quite understanding as I'm not a pro (just been tinkering with audio electronics since 90's).

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@Elektronijaenis well condor the current drain of a whole console, it's not just a fe milliamps like it would be if this was a single preamp unit, a dried capacitor in the power source of a 48 tracks console may well reduce the total current available...

[@derChili]

Studio one - Studio One Mix Engine FX is the way to go if you want console like summing in the box. Easy to use and sounds pretty good in fact better than everything else I tryed that gives analog-ish console style summing in the box.

[@dougleydorite]

No shit!? I never hear anyone talk about it so I figured maybe it’s not so great

[@MarkusH1966]

I absolutely agree. There is nothing going as deep as the Mix-FX in StudioOne. Even SK-Notes stripBus which has the plugin instances communicating, does not go that deep. And the Brit Console or the Transformer of the Alpine are really sounding great. But Wytse prefers another DAW…. \_‘|‘_/

[@kadiummusic]

Agreed, the console emulations built into Studio One are superb! 😎

[@dariuseviltwin]

Beautiful plugin. Make a cheap VA synth sing and dial in some real mojo, especially on bass sounds. Hornet killing it with these cheap but very usable high quality plugins.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much 🙏

[@MartinvonBargen]

Your nails make me want to listen to a Poison LP! ;) Nice review as Hornet has always made some great utilities and this made me go back and upgrade to MK2.

[@flipnap2112]

CC and all that coke. washoooooo

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much indeed :) I hope you are liking the plugin :)

[@theparanormiereport5408]

I have so many Hornet plugins. The 31 band auto eq is my favorite

[@HoRNetWeb]

Than you very much :) I'm happy 31 helps you get better mixes

[@shmuelbenyisrael]

So grateful for your work in sonics and coding expertise!

[@G_handle]

1) Hornet plugins are fantastic, a bit complicated to figure out but when you do (especially the Auto settings) they are the best value plugins around.

[@tonogram]

I just wish they were more CPU efficient :(

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much :) which one are your favorite?

[@HoRNetWeb]

@@tonogram with which plugin are you having this CPU issues?

[@FannonF]

​@@HoRNetWeb I've had serious issues with SongKeyMK3 and MK4. Even on a desktop computer they caused me drop outs. It looked like CPU consumption / buffer use is generally OK, but then peaks really shortly, but critically. But that's of course not a problem you run on a regular audio project :)

[@briancase6180]

This looks good, thanks for the video. There are good alternatives free and paid (and I know you know this). Waves NLS, for example is cheap. Airwindows console emulation plugins are great and free. And they give you a choice of model (SSL, etc). Basically, any configurable saturation will do. Airwindows has a lot. I love ToTape6 on kicks and low end in general, but it's easy to over-do it for sure.

[@MichaelHoma999]

„Creating color“… in that very moment I noticed your nail polish. 😁

[@DJeMo]

Truth will always be king, honesty is always best, cheers big sir, always educational, always entertaining and firm handshakes 🤝 for that too

[@genuinefreewilly5706]

Have not tried the Tukan summing plugin yet, but many of the other emulators give that analogue vibe, the tape delay, the Lexikan, the guitar spring reverb, easy and fun to automate in Reaper. Heck they are free to use or donate to the developer

[@payso1382]

Facts!

[@genuinefreewilly5706]

@@payso1382 What facts? Ask Dan Worall, he is set up for comparisons and debates on this issue as well.

[@payso1382]

I was agreeing with you. I feel the same way. The "Analogue Vibe", is a series of processes working together. Not slappin one plugin on, and calling it the day😂😂. I'm loving the vibe I'm getting through my processing process. I jus released my first single "Moon Dancin, by:Hunned". It's available on all platforms. Tell me if it sounds "Analogue" or not. Lol🎶🎵🔥🔥🤟🏼

[@genuinefreewilly5706]

@@payso1382 sorry my mistake. Your mix and song sound great, like the way your treating the vocals. Synths sound warm and analogue. Perfect for 4/20 holidays :)

[@payso1382]

@@genuinefreewilly5706 Thank you bro!Appreciate the feedback. My song has been standing well, when played behind industry top 10 artists, and I mixed it completely ITB.

[@GaryBradleymusic]

I have 2 Hornet plugins and they're very good. I'll check this out too Tx.

[@HoRNetWeb]

Thank you very much for the support! have you tried the plugin did you like it?

[@kadiummusic]

Studio One has had it's own version of this built in for years and it's absolutely superb! 😎

[@MotorpsychoGER]

Which Plugin do you mean?

[@HoRNetWeb]

We have been in contact some time ago with persons to port thew previous version of this plugin to their system but we did some research and it did not seem to be of much interest...are we wrong?

[@michamarkowski4214]

Now that's the plugin I wanna use. I love distortion :D

[@MarvelJAM]

Yes to the T-Shirt!

[@ImDino]

I know it's much more expensive, but I still haven't heard anything beat pensado eq, just putting it on the master as "passthrough" is magical. I'm sure other acustica eq's have a similar effect.

[@dillpereira250]

I like the rule tec eq1 very much because it gives me the same feel for only 30 bucks.

[@dillpereira250]

@@an_isopod For me the saturation sounds different in these 3 examples but I didn't take any serious measurements to compare them and confirm my impressions.

[@nj1255]

I downloaded version 1 of this when it was free and it's a pretty nice plug-in. Very low CPU usage and can give you some subtle colouring. I don't like the "age" control that much, it only seems to work as a combined HP/LP filter and increases saturation a bit. Nice freebie nonetheless!

[@HoRNetWeb]

almost like that but since drying out capacitors and also change the bias point, there is a different effect on Transistor and Tube models that are class A amplifiers, you start to get an asymmetric saturation so positive half waves are saturated earlier than negatives

[@tonal.states]

@@HoRNetWeb Ooh very nice to know it works that way, I thought it was just HP/LP filters too but makes sense. Thanks for that.

[@criticalwoodhip-hopforever2657]

Acustica Black do the job perfectly to give this analog feeling. I use it as preamp at the beggin of every Channel but i just realize i Never tried to use it as a summing ..... Definitly a things to try

[@MERC_Master]

Thing added so much colour even your nails took notice

[@justtosharefiles678]

Varnish looks awesome

[@Ctouch09]

Nice video!!! That tune is so good!!!

[@Prodby_duke]

“Why is hiss on by default???” Took me out 😂🤣🤣

[@1979EMS]

I want a T-shirt. "Distortion needs oversampling"

[@AlexReidStudios]

Tape emulations are really popular, they are often used as part of master busses to give that analog feel. The question is, how do you use analog summin plugins with tape and other analog thingys?

[@wes_the_scifi_guy]

Exactly when is it to analogy lol never.. no little gos a long way it takes a long time to really learn that

[@MarkusH1966]

You can use Softube‘s Tape as a Mix-Effect in StudioOne‘s summing engine. Or use StudioOne‘s own PortaDesk Mix-Effect wich makes it sound like an old Portastudio for real.

[@EqDior]

Awesome vid thanks for the gem!

[@snakeface5652]

I have previously used Fabfilter Saturn to give saturation like I want here, sometimes having it on every channel to try and create an analogue sound. Might see if this plugin can do a better job at it even.

[@joshcoxmusic]

Please do a review of the Analog Obsession Konsol. Do you think it would compare with Waves NLS? ... Could be cool to compare all 3!!!!

[@KOjoeBeats]

KONSOL is absolute dope! I have stopped searching for btter, i'm very very happy with it :)

[@xrabbz2010]

I was so happy when you raged about hiss being on by default.. waves h delay makes me rage with the damn hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssaa

[@who_is_dis]

UAD's API and Neve Summing is pretty damn good.

[@flipnap2112]

dont you have to buy that for like 600 bucks if you have luna? or am I thinking of something else

[@who_is_dis]

@@flipnap2112 LOL Yeah, but they have sales on plus coupons if you catch it at the right time - I bought API and Neve Summing for like 140 together. Luna is also free (with a UAD interface (which is $£ too lol).

[@flipnap2112]

@@who_is_dis yeah I was stoked about luna and I didnt know I needed to use a UAD with it. kinda stinks. I have an RME Fs2 and dont need another interface (with that closet full of scarlets ha ha). I DID almost go with the ferrofish, neve buss summer. but then the peep over at access analog said theyre setting up an analog summing chain in the near future so im holding off. those guys rock by the way. been using a fusion unit with the neve and stuff sounds amazing.

[@who_is_dis]

@@flipnap2112 Nice, yep - if i'm honest UAD has fallen behind and the prices don't really justify most of it, especially when they have the ability to go native now. Their products are still great though

[@who_is_dis]

@@flipnap2112 Holy shit, I just looked at Analog Access - that's some mad shit LOL 🤯 I just don't get how they can process so many people using them at once? Surely it's not thousands of hardware units?

[@krewcialofficial]

Alternative : putting Softube Tape on all of your busses/or running everything through a Soundcraft 12 MTK and back in to your DAW (will add one extra stage of DA/AD).

[@shevyjohn9308]

Might help but wont give real depth like hardware

[@dna598]

There is no doubt in my mind that Sonimus wins in the console emulation field. I use Britson. The workflow is actually useful and convenient. Grouping, Group Trim controls (channels, busses or both) from the Master instance, and global drive control. This Hornet one does come in at a close 2nd place for workflow though. It does at least have a form of grouping, but it's limited. The Plugin Alliance and Softube ones do not have any grouping or global saturation control, which is a workflow killer. They expect the user to open every single instance and adjust trim/drive which is not fun.

[@nachtaktiv]

There is a global THD knob in the Brainworx (PA) channel strips, or am I getting you wrong?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Well we have 8 groups and a handy "send to all" option for EVERY parameter you see in the interface, just right click on each knob/ button and you can choose if you want tit to be shared with its group or globally with every instance

[@aerofoilmusic]

N00b question - How is this different to, per example, Fabfilter's Saturn, or Kazrog's True Iron?

[@fvasallo4591]

Its not, just another flavor of saturation

[@erkamau9629]

What about a 3D dimension effect of the stage ? Have You compared with any analogo summing unità x mix ? No put on master bus ?

[@JimSalvito]

Wytse, I think their concept with having OpAmp, Transistor, and Tube is to mimic API (OpAmp) and Neve (Transistor) behavior. Not sure I completely get the concept of this plugin when there's many full console emulations out there. The AC/DC sound is from API OpAmp preamps.

[@Rhuggins]

What is your fav console summing emulation? You seem to have a lot of knowledge and youre right theres a lot of them out there , so I’d appreciate you opinion if you get a chance. Thanks!

[@flipnap2112]

probably to give you a little more flexibility

[@KOjoeBeats]

@@Rhuggins Try KONSOL by Anaog Obsession. It's free (donationware in fact). There is auto pre and post gain staging. You have the drive knob to get some more. So EZ to use! 3 types of consoles (op-amp, tubes or transistor), optional oversampling (4x i think), an optional buss/track switch and you can even turn on or off the transformer emulations A clean output gain, and low and high EQ knobs. Perfect! The sickest little magic box i tried, so far. And i tried many

[@Rhuggins]

@@KOjoeBeats I use that somewhat regularly, thats for reminding me about it. The buss mode is particularly cool. Some of his plugins are outstanding. I’d say ALL of them are coded very very solidly. However (and i havent tested this one) i notice that upon analysis in plugindoctor and other utility software, some of his plugins tend to be very light in the harmonics department. Sometimes even lighter than acustica stuff - which is notoriously clean, even with preamps engaged. Wasnt sure if perhpas there was a better option. Im beginning to thing that some per channel saturation, pre amp emulation (for frequency response), and Dr.Ms for crosstalk on the master might be the best bet. Funny enough Waves NLS does this pretty well

[@JimSalvito]

@@Rhuggins I like most of the console emulations from Plugin Alliance. I use the SSL J, AMEK, and Focusrite all the time.

[@ahmedyadam7240]

Love to try this by myself

[@artysanmobile]

Pro Tools users with Heat have no need for this whatsoever. Heat is superb, one of the best things Avid has ever offered. I also have Waves NLS, but honestly it is a crazy amount of work so I’ve used it once in 10 years.

[@verygood7804]

Cool hair, and cool video

[@GuareschiGuillermo]

The summing mixer is not only about the color. It is mostly about getting musical mixes without the internal algorithmics and nervousness that in-the-box rendering creates.

[@pelennorDSP]

It would be interesting if you were able to compare how this performs vs the (free) alternatives being airwindows Console , Analog Obsession NCAR, and Tukan SumChannel...

[@tobytodelafontena]

I bet Analog Obsession will be the best : )

[@kadiummusic]

And maybe include Studio One which superb console emulations already built in. 😎

[@barneymiller5488]

Love Analog Obesission. But i'm having problems with NCAR on Logic Pro's latest version.

[@KOjoeBeats]

Annnd KONSOLE by AO. It's a fantastic gear

[@alchemyst2000]

was trying to use NCAR in Ableton but haven't figured out how to route it internally yet. also wondering what the difference between these summing mixer colorations/saturation vs other saturation plugins. why use one over the other besides personal preference?

[@APaclin]

What’s the difference between this and using a preamp emulation on a channel?

[@Peter0186]

Airwindows release Console 8 :)

[@FLWoodPushers]

bro your videos are fucking awesome my go to now

[@Hybrxd]

I have been using the Tukan Sumthing you should try it, Its a js vst

[@Genital.Wartzenegger]

Do a console 8 review.

[@mastfamastfa1256]

Thank you so much

[@dddux]

I heard tubes only a couple of years old sounding like this @ 30yo. It is good to replace tubes every 2-3 years, actually, depending on how much you use it. Or... if it's a guitar amp you might not mind. ;)

[@Tschiyeah]

"Always overdo it, if you wanna know what it is actually doing" This would make a much better Shirt Slogan ;)

[@Beatsbasteln]

that's a good price for a saturator. i already have lots of them so i think i'm fine for now, but i guess this applies mostly to people who wanna replace rather specific analog gear?!

[@SamHocking]

Airwindows Console & Channel is hard to beat IMO.

[@like-icecream]

I like how this plugin reminds me of the Tupac's Hit em up song, more precisely the part when he says "my 44 make sure all your kids don't grow" and after that which is when it was distorting so maybe that means something. lol

[@felipeReisfelipereis]

I put a Trueiron in every channel, so I do my summing..

[@talktokale]

I did this on a rock-based mixed that was recorded digitally with no colorful pre-amps. Worked wonders!

[@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062]

It’s not bad. Kinda cool. Nothing compares to the airwindows console system though

[@KitKalvert]

Thanks for taking time to do the vid sir! Do you think this would also work well on Dance music House and Drum & Bass groups/buss's ?

[@eddysel10]

Thanks for the video, I will definitely test it. But isn't it the same (at least same idea) as the bx blackbox and their other distortion plugins, or the slate virtual channel / mixbus, waves NLS etc?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Hi, yes the all do the same stuff, this is our take on analog console saturation :)

[@Fox_is_Fox]

You "nailed" it buddy 😂

[@lgndx]

Checkout the apogee soft limiter it’s fire and it’s free

[@agondistortion]

So many saturation plugins and console emulations , I will try this and see if it will add anything that I haven't already heard , haven't tried Hornet Plugins though let's see.

[@stuartsutherbaker]

Can you do a shootout/blind test all the drum soundbetterers we have like Klevland fosfat, Mr Bills slap and Decaps knock plugins? Would be nice to hear from you if we need them...

[@threadjunctionrecordings45]

cool plug, but I'll stick to my 32 channel capi sum bus printed back through a dangerous ... AD+ :D

[@shevyjohn9308]

Way better plugins just cant emulate real voltage

[@patrickalphenaar]

Hornet has some nice plugins for sure! I still prefer my Neve 5057 Orbit for Coloring the sound and do a Perfect SUM like ITB. I use the -6db output stage which prevents you from clipping the signal as it limits the peaks and rounds transients off so you cant get any “Overs” would love to see DW Nulling those features out the same ITB. Yea Analog Summing is expensive as you need a great AD/DA converter, and PRO Cabling. But you need that anyway if working with music………. This Hornet plugin cant do what my Neve does. Dont like the sound from this plugin as tried it before. Cheers

[@hithere4289]

oh stop it of course it can do what your neve does analog gear is becoming more and more obsolete as time goes by no need to justify what cant be justified!

[@patrickalphenaar]

@@hithere4289 Ok, if you say so. Cheers

[@hithere4289]

@@patrickalphenaar i am really sorry i wasnt trying to be mean at all. Im just really fed up with all the "analog is better" mentality that, in 2022, is a lie. I agree with you on the part that you still prefer your neve over a plugin but it just stays like that. a preference. as a matter of fact, blind test a normal person on a neve vs a plugin and tell the guy that the plugin version is the analog one, he will chose the plugin out of the thought that it was the neve!

[@patrickalphenaar]

@@hithere4289 No Need to say sorry at all as i did not feel offended, it is your opinion and your thoughts so thats all fine to me. I never claim analog is better as digital is way way better! However at the same time too sterile, perfect, boring, lifeless. Then I always dial in my Hardware to have loads of very little subtle changes which breathes life in the audio. It removes all those imperfections from digital! Digital is better! Analog is just sounding nicer! And thats just my opinion nothing more or less. Cheers.

[@johnjhonny646]

@@hithere4289 I'm sure you've never experienced the sound of a summing mixer before. Width and depth are night and day. Especially neve is more colorful

[@wemakemusic]

heb je een link naar de muziek die je gebruikt van stormsand / stormesand / stormzand

[@Timothonius]

you should absolutely make the t-shirt.

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

I don't get it... If you wanted to drive the OpAmp, but found it difficult... Are you not suppose to engage the "Mic (+20)"? Isn't that what the feature is largely for?

[@HoRNetWeb]

Yes, that's exactly why it's there, so you can overdrive badly the input. OpAmps are pretty clean but don't sound very good when pushed vey hard once they only produce odd harmonics.

[@pyanek]

hey, does it happen to anyone else that no matter what plugin you use that has oversampling, anything beyond 1x sounds more processed and a "just not right" kinda feel?

[@GoldenDeathMusic]

yeah, I don't like oversampling in general for this reason. It definitely sounds smoother or something along those lines the higher you go, but that almost never equates to better in my book. I like a little rough edges in my music, and you definitely lose some transient detail or something like that whenever you oversample.

[@atarifalcon]

The Song is called "Rage Hard" by FGTH...i think....🤔

[@MichaelDowComposer]

Would like to see you do their Tape emulation if possible?

[@WhutitdoTx]

What acoustic treatment do you use? The brand please..

[@kmac.]

I actually preferred the track without the plugin. Though probably because you pushed things a bit hard as you said. Seems like a fine plugin though but I honestly don't think it's much different from putting your favorite saturation plugin that you already own on your busses or mix or whatever. Also, in my experience, putting saturation on each track in DAW is a total waste of time unless you dial in different settings for every track. Just put it on your bus track and dial it in how you want it, there is no added benefit of putting it on every track.

[@fvasallo4591]

Agreed! however, when putting different saturation settings on busses, you can get some benefit in choosing the type of saturation depending on the type of source so you can get different harmonics (odd/even) depending on the source material which adds to a fuller sound. Example, Tube on bass, Tape on drums, Tube or Tape on vocals, Transistor on keys/synths, etc. Whatever you choose to your own taste, but each source will have different harmonics that add up to a bigger/fuller sound than just slapping a single stage of saturation on the 2 bus (which has its application and may be all a track needs as well).

[@KOjoeBeats]

Me too. This mix sounds def a bit muddy with the plugin on to my ears. But i guess a slight upper range boost could def make me prefere the track with it. Or maybe some more dynamic low-midz to make the mix sound cleared. Or both, idk

[@urigeheadmot1196]

Boy are you wrong

[@davidsprivate5609]

I wonder what you would make of Sumthing, the free plugins for Reaper from Tukan.

[@gregrutledge]

I'm in the US and had to enter my state as "Siena" in order for the purchase to go through. Wouldn't allow it to be blank, though all the listed ones seemed to be Italy-based. Weird. Op-amp saturation is somehow my favorite? Weirder.

[@tylerboley1786]

other than all the tweakability, with frankly would drive me into therapy, isn't this pretty much an also-ran to Waves NLS, all of the Air Windows Console versions, and many other similar approaches? Of course your opinion is highly valued.

[@SinclairSound]

I don't know about waves, but I think airwindows is actually about being much subtler. Chris has some sort of waveshaping algorithm running into a bus processor with a high end softening process. Where as this is focused on more obvious distortion. From my understanding Chris is much more focused on the analog sound stage effect. But I'm not anymore near smart enough to be confident in this answer. Chris is a DSP wizard.

[@pelennorDSP]

@@SinclairSound From what I can gather, you're right, and Chris has separate analog summing plugins (the Console series) and ones that emulate the coloration of certain consoles (eg BussColors), so you have even greater control.

[@KOBEDIAL82]

BRO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT UR MIC, I HAD THE LCT840 AND I SELL IT SOME MONTHS ABOUT AND I BUY MANLEY REFERENCE, HOW THIS LCT STAND AGAINS THE MANLEY??

[@WisdomHouseCreative]

I'm sure there's several good ways to get that analog vibe in the box. I happen to like Slate VCC, but this looks like it does something similar for way less money.

[@adambutcher3194]

Here's my question. Is this hornet plugin as good as any of the brainworx console emulations like bx_console SSL 4000 E or bx_console N? The SSL 4000 E plugin is US$349.00 vs 19.99 euros for the hornet. This could be a great comparison video considering the enormous price difference?

[@jamelabanderson4474]

Never pay full price for a Brainworx plugin. Should go for at least 75% off 5 or 6 times per year.

[@blackswanstudios6632]

You can't compare those. It's like...what is best, a distotion plugin or a reverb? It's apples and oranges. The Bx consoles are channelstrips, their main selling points being really great EQs and filters (In case of the J and the N, probably the best EQs and filters outside of Nebula tech.) They also have compressors etc. Considering you can get the Bx channelstrips during a sale for like 29 bucks, WITH all those features included, the Hornet plugin actually becomes the more expensive option considering what you get and don't get. If anything you might compare it to SumThing (Tukan) or NLS (Waves), Briton/Satson (Sonimus).

[@sideast]

How can they emulate the space around the sound if they don't know what the sound is? 🙃

[@brooksbohmbach1]

A plugin add phantom power?

[@focuspixvideoaudioservices68]

I got one. One for your weds answers day. What song sums up old analog beauty for you.... mine? Thinking of you - sister sledge

[@chillingFriend]

Fingernails looking fresh 😎

[@mottamix]

Dude, how can you record the videos listening to the monitors and your mic only picks up your voice? LOL Your videos are incredible.

[@Whiteseastudio]

Writing a lot of volume automation 😅

[@trecksbeats5850]

@@Whiteseastudio damn bro; this is literally why you're a legend.

[@st33Npuist]

HYPER HYPER

[@tdr1438]

Tried it, but it doesnt come close to fabfilter saturn in my humble opinion, but for 20 bucks its a damn nice saturator

[@theswedishmusicstudio]

Isnt it DaBuzz with Hiss-storm?

[@venemushunter25]

Hola… hope all is well… they just released this one HoRNet HA2A… would love to hear your views

[@natanjafet8034]

And thanks for your great job broo... God bless por you