Everything You Need To Know About JAYCEN JOSHUAS ORION Plugin

[@HelpMeDevvon]

This is just a breakdown of the plugin! Please draw your own conclusion and opinions of it after you finish watching!

[@KC10234]

How u feel about spike AI

[@HelpMeDevvon]

@@KC10234 whats that?

[@marlonbrown5763]

Same

[@bradashlock]

I loved JJ’s drum chain, but I found it hard to control and balance. I got the free trial and this solves all my problems concerning drums. I’m buying it!

[@CaldoHits]

Orion is a great plugin. I did two sessions last night trying it on drums. I instantly was drawn to the FL inspired preset. Cradle and Jaycen Joshua pulled up with this one 🔥

[@iamquaret]

I gotta be honest i burned out with plugins man.

[@vukan.mp3]

facts i just stick to the tried and tested (omnisphere, nexus, kontakt, arturia, etc.) it makes it way easier to make decisions instead of having to pick from thousands of plugins and forgetting abt half of them

[@SPD87327]

Thats just cause theres a lot of em lol, like any market. Art, clothing, video games. Just get what you want/need/like and just dont use anything. Unless you mean burnt out content wise. then thats a different story

[@fcmas]

There's money in new products, so the slew of constant new releases will never stop.

[@marlonbrown5763]

Me as well all do the same thing

[@Ctouch09]

Me too

[@emptytombprod]

28:09 sounds much wider/fuller when "engaged".. might have to try the demo this week.. Lord knows I don't need any more plugins, but what's 1 more to the 400 others 😂😂

[@NickWaves]

I got better results running this on parallel rather than inserting it on my drum-bus channel. I strongly suggest you try that.

[@archiebeatz]

Now this is cool. They put some work in to make this one for sure. Thanks for sharing bro!

[@HelpMeDevvon]

It does so much that im taking my time with experimenting with it in ways that it wasnt even intended. My thing is having these parallel processes right there makes me wonder how i could use that to my advantage with other material

[@tareefsmith9027]

​@@HelpMeDevvonCan't wait to see how you'll use this plugin in the future.

[@angelocherymusic]

That harmonic EQ is something special man.

[@tariqalimusic]

This plugin is WILD!!! must have for the drum buss fasho!!!

[@tkelong3569]

Torque, Knock, and Envolution= beat superiority. Just purchased Orion. Let’s see if it can make its way into the All-Star Drum Buss. Love what I’m hearing on your video and others. Not at all concerned about any technical aspects. My concern is; does this plug-in make my drums sound better? If the answer is yes, then welcome home Orion, if not $80 didn’t break the bank.

[@elgionova]

let us know the update, did it it make it to your bus ? 🙌

[@jaysowavy4203]

PND giving us plug in reviews is wild ngl

[@nashse7en]

Wsg Devon, would you remoned to run the kick through Orion first and then run the rest of the drums separately or process all of them together?

[@DruDilly]

Color kinda feels like what the Shadow Hills does with the Steel, Iron and Nickel and Lift is the Black Box, Harmonics is RBass...

[@marcito12345]

is this 1:1 just his drum chain, just as a single plugin? even including the corresponding parallels? (nls->rbass->shadow hills->blackbox->spiff->standardclip into parallels)

[@ProdGreener]

correct

[@EqDior]

Awesome review Devvon as usual! 🙏🏽

[@alirezabaghdadchi5020]

Thank you Devvon for your insight full review! I was wondering how does this work with hi percussion ( hats, cymbals,…) because obviously J didn’t rout his hats on his drum buss, so the NLS and drum buss was only effecting kick and snare. In the beginning of using his chain I was routing everything and I realize the hats was so harsh. So I’m wondering how does it Orion compare to his original chains.

[@ProdGreener]

He uses it the same way. Kick/Snare/Clap it seams

[@Reggi_Sample]

Cool, Lots of things involved, I feel like its not removing Knock though

[@DeeBeEatin]

Definitely got to purchase this!

[@rapdad55]

i knew you'd be the first one to do this! thank you for the review, i'm curious about it based on my love for God Particle

[@ItsJesseJr]

Oh nah. This going on my master bus. I can hear already how it’ll improve my sound

[@MrCool144]

You sound like a marketing bot

[@oxynfc]

I like how the life leaves his eyes and then devonn goes back to his happy place when he engages orion again at 2:40

[@shailusounds]

Is this Lift knob a kind of upward compression?

[@ProdGreener]

A/B on the compressor could be from the different transformers in Shadow Hills which is emphasizes the lows or the lowmids

[@davidfields1920]

I KNEW YOU HAD BETA TESTED THIS!!!!

[@Bonzvy]

I just tested it and compared it to the his full old drumbus chain (which i have saved as a preset) and i think both sounds great. The orion sounded a bit better to me because the drums were more together if it makes sense. however the cpu usage - damn. i have a i7 14th gen cpu and that kills every plugin i have no matter how large the project is. i never had issues with cpu usage but this new crandle plugin? It takes 25% to run it and that is something i just cant justify even if it sounds GREAT...

[@joakimjocka8022]

I am 100% with you on this , bro , it even reaches 50% CPU usage on my PC .

[@elgionova]

this is with the visual FX in the plugin turned off too?

[@Bonzvy]

@@elgionova were can I turn it off? I don't see any options for that

[@DevinCruise777]

JJ > Everyone 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Thx for the Review Dev

[@Furybeatsgme]

I would use it as a finisher get my drums to where i think they can't sound any better and add this for the polish

[@DruDilly]

Y'all got this up QUICK!

[@beatlikedrumz]

Ever since you said you been putting god particle to the drum bus i started doing it and most times it gives me that hmmth .Limiter off of course and gain matched.This might just be that in depth.....kinda sold......kinda downloading lol

[@DevishMend]

Seems to be very CPU hungry on Windows 🧐 Anyway - THX for the quick peek on this!

[@superproducercbiz]

would you use this on 808s?

[@naqdensjam]

can i use this with proppelerhead reazon

[@santoredd]

I compared with adptr ab orion and the old chain, trying to make them play at the same volume, for me the old chain sounds better

[@andreasedenekendahl1770]

Wow, very impressed with the sound!

[@henrymyname8259]

I’d probably add this first then shape my drums according to this processing to make sure I’m not doing too much leading into it.

[@roninthegoat2810]

man devvon i love love love your channel and learned soooo much, thank you for that a million times!! but please, don't become one of those channels that pop out with a review for all the new plugins devolopers throw their money on advertising via music influencers..

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Just a breakdown understand that I kno deep down people are gonna download this thing and have a ton of questions thus why I enjoy getting the information from them and then helping other people also understand the plugin and letting u make the decision for yourself. If I do a “review” I’ll definitely say this is a review. This here is a breakdown showing u the ins and outs of the plugin!

[@roninthegoat2810]

@@HelpMeDevvon yeah man sure, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have a all in one solution for my drum bus so I don’t get a headache every time i choose plugins for it and mangling them around, but right after I clicked on your video my KZbin page recommended me like 3 other music KZbinr making a video about this plug-in with the “contains paid advertisement” disclaimer at the top which just leaves some kind of bitter mark if you know what I mean, like the developer literally tries to shove it in my face, even tho the plug-in probably is fire!

[@HelpMeDevvon]

@@roninthegoat2810 I get it but what i try to give is insight. In the video i say i got the chance to speak with Jaycen and Cradle about it and got the full blown understanding. Now im equipped to give a very detailed breakdown and understanding of this plugin which i think is going to be the most hyped plugin release of the year. Countless people are going to be looking for information on it and i get the chance to explain it in great detail the RIGHT WAY. There will be tons of reviews on this plugin. Id rather break down the plugin in and out and then let you decide for yourself! I appreciate your perspective. Trust me i get asked to break down alot of horrible plugins but i only breakdown the ones that i feel have actual value to my audience.

[@joshmcali.sk8]

I was starting to think Orion was never going to be released 😂

[@mixbygygyondbeat1295]

Great job like always. Proud of you. But does this mean JJ no longer use his other Processing like the NLS buss, Transformer 1 & 2 on his drum buss. But use just Orion?

[@mayormarc222]

Facts I’m wondering that too

[@mixbygygyondbeat1295]

@@mayormarc222 well I just learnt from another video that this has replaced the old drum buss trick

[@SPD87327]

YES! this has replaced it, just like the god particle replaced his old 2bus chain

[@larrytan73]

Akai Mpc2000xl is my drum buss!

[@nine27]

bruh..

[@thenoyze5]

Ima real nigga I’m not gone lie I bought both of help me Devon‘s compressor and EQ. I never use them but I learned more from help me Devon and Michael Brauer than I’ve ever learned from 30 or 40 minutes of watching Jason joshua talk about the god particle while mixing track Jason joshua sales theory his relationship to Dave and brand (songs he’s worked on) , I never leave one of his videos with an actionable item help me and Michael Brauer are the only people that has actually affected my mixing capabilities with real techniques I can use. That’s why I brought his vsts

[@TraySamuels]

... Quick question where you get the black tee from tho ? I'm fucking with the quality

[@KennyLauderdale]

I’m at (7:15) so far and, in my beats fit pro’s, it’s no real big change 🤷🏾‍♂️. (from a consumer’s eat). Now if I’m home on my monitors, maybe there is a bigger difference. I’ll do a free trial later in the studio.

[@davidasher22]

Great review! I’m not sure ‘ideology’ is the best word choice here, though. 😊 ‘Ideology’ usually refers to a system of beliefs or ideas held by people or groups. Something like ‘philosophy’ or ‘design principles’ might fit better in this context.

[@jordanjamesmusic1]

Curious if youll still throw your drums to your 2bus + ?

[@jaydenmorehead3790]

Is it also replacing Jaycens nls section of his drum bus?

[@graykeyzmusic]

I watched every second of this video!!! 💎💎💎💎💎💎

[@EricsonPresents]

Does this apply to his sub/bass bus? I know they go both hand and hand.

[@MBO1991]

Just tried it on some drums 🔥

[@TraySamuels]

definitely gonna use this as a tone box with them a b c harmonics . I wonder what hardware out his studio he modeled.

[@ProdGreener]

its the nls plugin chain they remodeled

[@TraySamuels]

@@ProdGreener thank you

[@letsstartapeaceriot]

is it like ozone 5 settings that he put up a long time ago:? but more focused on drums?

[@c-cruz7836]

Devvon do you think we can use this plugin on leads or plucks or even on pads

[@HelpMeDevvon]

I’d love to see what people experiment and come up with honestly. There’s so many modules that I can see used for different things. It’s def worth a try 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@c-cruz7836]

@@HelpMeDevvon I send Orion to a bus and turn off the color module added saturation on my leads making them hit harder love this plugin

[@alessandrotorres3537]

So I assume the drive section is similar to the nls bus thing he does

[@RichardRosiles]

Love your take on new plugins as always but I feel like these kind of videos could benefit from some editing

[@TJenga]

Im guessing this is to replace Knock so I’m probably not going to get this right away because I’m still getting used to Knock but I’ll eventually give it a shot for a nice A/B

[@nilespeshay1734]

Multiple compressions, EQ, multiple saturation types, multiple parallel processes, no clipper. This, at least attempts, multiple things that Knock doesn't touch. There's not a ton of overlap between the 2 products, +to me+.

[@TJenga]

@@nilespeshay1734 looks nice aesthetically lol

[@prodbyevananthony]

Little more feature rich than knock. I use knock in certain cases. I think Orion is better tho. It’s the exact c drums workflow

[@oldmenwithnewguns5997]

I would use Knock on single drum tracks and Orion on the drum bus.

[@TJenga]

@@oldmenwithnewguns5997 that sounds alike a pretty good idea

[@mixedbyjocelin]

DOPE video bro and dope plugin

[@M.W.777]

This is brilliant!!

[@trevorellis-guice5794]

I wonder if this is based on his nls trick

[@tentonhammer83]

NLS trick is more geared towards the kick drum if I’m not mistaken idk

[@HShorro]

verry kool, alot given for so lil taken, i like

[@deadislander]

coppedddddd

[@official_a-troy9648]

Does anyone else feel like the old nls trick with the shadows hills and ect just hit a little harder and more center? Or is that just me

[@bco0t6]

You’re right on the money the r bass effect is def effecting the subs

[@santoredd]

after doing some comparisons on different tracks I always preferred the old chain, for me what you say makes absolute sense

[@anyabeymusic]

Vivid sound 🔊🎉 Dope

[@Delly986]

Yall coppin this or Knock?

[@royalinvasionproductionstv6370]

Anyone know what freq the HPF is set to when turned on?

[@AutoclaveBeats]

great review brother...please where did you get those drums! they are banging!

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Appreciate this is just a BREAKDOWN. Draw ur own opinions and conclusions from the plugin!!

[@roninthegoat2810]

@@HelpMeDevvonhe meant the drum samples!

[@emptytombprod]

​@roninthegoat2810 he meant what he said lol.... hint hint 🤔💭

[@AutoclaveBeats]

@@HelpMeDevvon hi, am referring to the drum sounds you used to demo Orion...for sure the Orion plugin is dope! But even before any of it, the drums are great...was asking if you could share what sample pack they are from. Thank you for all you do for the community

[@emptytombprod]

"Pick your poison" how egregious 😂😂😂

[@HelpMeDevvon]

We all know some people are going to overdue with this thing!

[@DezzyYBR]

The real question is are we gonna be using this on our bass until he drops the Bass Buss plug-in?

[@ProdGreener]

Been using it on 808s. The Drive and Lift sound nice on sometimes. Didnt like the compressor for the bas so just sticking to rcomp or neutron or pro-c. But it can easily fuck up the 808 also.

[@curtisthacreator2231]

Similar to the knock plugin by decap huh

[@kyledenmead_]

Way different. But imagine using them together. Sheesh

[@mygoogle1525]

​@@kyledenmead_ Then your cpu will explode

[@trevormixedit]

I hear KNOCK by Decap when I listen to what the plugin is doing

[@deadislander]

not having to create sends for my parallels is ace. I'm lazy. we're lazy.

[@HelpMeDevvon]

I said that too!

[@Tha_Mecca]

At this point Devv, especially with a tool like this, u may just want to stay in the box big dawg 🤷🏿‍♂️😂😂

[@dustymingus2599]

This is the most cpu heavy plugin i've ever used... I need to get a new PC to use it effectively.

[@Sherif.Mohsen]

Purchase DONE ✅ 🦇👌❤️

[@ILOVEDRAGO]

So kinda like "KNOCK" from Drums That Knock, or "KSHMR Essentials" from W.A. Productions, or CLA Drums from Waves

[@bentleyblue]

BDE dj swivel

[@salassandoval]

Then you need another plug-in to bring your other instruments to the same level of drums ❤

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

Really surprised there is no Transformer parallel slider

[@zifheer]

there's a Saiyan battle on their roof

[@deadislander]

14 day free trial yall use it

[@thenoyze5]

So basically, he has Michael Brower parallels built in

[@GRX3M3]

Def waiting for the crack😂 nah I'm playing Cradle chill chill...

[@jeremyokay2807]

We know you going do it gang😂😂😂😂😊

[@GRX3M3]

@@jeremyokay2807 😂😂i check and it's not on the internet yet (cradle I'm kidding again)

[@iamShamarrW]

I’d like to see how this stands up against UA Little Labs Voice of God.

[@KC10234]

U know I respect Jaycen and I’m sure the plugin is fire because him and cradle already made the god particle. But I feel this is just a play kinda like music artist with bundles if you buy one you might as well buy the others even though the god particle is already enough

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

Na your mistaken. This thing is actually amazing. Idk what you’re talking about but this is no gimmick. Both Orion and the god particle are amazing at what they are designed to do.

[@KC10234]

@@SiQuemaCuhh I never said the plugin was bad I was saying g the god particle already clips distorts and adds a character to your drums so this plugin just seems like a cash grab for him and cradle

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

@@KC10234 na bruh, Orion does things you can’t with god particle. The fact most of it is in parallel is worth it. Super advanced.

[@judbaker5752]

No offense bro, peace and love, but do you not see the buttons on the plugin? Do you notice how god particle has none of these buttons?

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

@@judbaker5752 thanks for making my point

[@interpol8994]

Anybody have an updated discord invite?

[@MarcusSt0ne]

I wonder if this is just an emulation of his 10 copies of NLS trick lol

[@jghosttheconscious]

😂

[@mohaumoloto5253]

Going from one of the better teachers on KZbin to a gear and plugin influencer is kind of dissapointing, having said that I learned a lot from you, thank you.

[@MrCJ-lc9ru]

Man...just put the api 550 on your drums...same difference

[@ronleezy5052]

Oh … another plugin… great 😔

[@marcusagain]

What would you prefer. What would make you happy man

[@UndergroundPlu9]

@@marcusagainthink he's waiting on recording/mixing

[@HelpMeDevvon]

Its music tech. I know deep down tons of people are going to downlaod this thing and have a million questions. Thus thus video exist to answer them! Breakdown video

[@marcusagain]

@@UndergroundPlu9 true that woild be amazing

[@bco0t6]

Sounds cold and lifeless fr but hey to each their own.

[@stephenmaxam]

its not all that

[@citronialandmark476]

Were sadly getting to a point where there is no magic in making music. Everything is done for you. This is creating a boring soulless style of music. Why? because it was the tedious processes, the brain wrangling ideas that we stumbled across unexpectantly; that made hits from pure original hard work and late night mixing in an unorthodox methods which created musical genres. Now beat makers can use a beat they didn't make or mix and practically AI everything else. At some point our dependance on bells and whistles will be our undoing. If you think music is better now you're probably under 30 years old. I don't listen to most of the stuff the new school been making because it all sounds alike. The acts look alike. The beats are the same the subject matter is the same. This plug in craze has hurt our creativity. Not saying its not nice to have a few toys. But enough is enough. Not buying anymore plugins that do what I already been doing with other means. If you want to make money start selling plug ins. That's what the industry has secretly been pushing. Why sell a record at $15 when you can sell a million copies of Orion at a couple hundred bucks. Sheeeeesh!!!

[@mygoogle1525]

I like making music. Don't realy like sitting and tweaking and gain matching,though. It's part of it ,but i do not enjoy it. I like the creative paty of making music. Not every one likes the technical aspect.

[@Despotez]

Lol, cry more?

[@tkelong3569]

You’re right, there’s a lot of stuff being done for people so they don’t learn how to achieve the ‘sound’ that they’re looking for, they just turn in a plugin or two and it does it for them. Fortunately for me, when I started learning to mix and produce these plugins simply didn’t exist. I haD to learn how to mix because there was no other way. It’s similar to sampling. I had to learn how to actually play instruments because there was no Splice to basically do it for you, so once all of these great tools became available, I was able to use them to enhance my capabilities as opposed to using them to cover up a lack of capability. I loVe all of these great tools. So many great production tools being available keeps me running home daily to crack open my kiLLer dual-sync PC (two PCs in simultaneous use) system and get to woRk! Thanks for the video!

[@BIGDAVEMUZIK]

💩🔥

[@JauntsMusic]

I'm gonna be honest bro.. this plug degrades the quality of the drums and makes them sound distorted and hollow, for me.. maybe it would sound good in the literal smallest amount

[@MrCool144]

Just snother lazy plugin for wannabes that doesnt even have attack or release times or a true variable hi pass . Just 2 options for each wtf is that. The saturation only has 3 modes. No control over even or odd harmonics. Just a bunch of nonsense words instead of real parameters. Loud and grit wtf is this. Why would i need a parallel sub on my drum bus. Where is even the cut off point for the sub or low? Bro atleast ssl drumstrip has the transient processor with delta mode. And its got the legendary lmc compressor on it with parallel mix knob. It actually makes sense and you can saturate lows and highs separately. It obliterates this thing

[@SPD87327]

Uhh.. it was designed that way for workflow. Quick easy words to know what does what, you do those things boom done. Drums sound good and you save time mixing. But ''lazy plugin'' for wannabes? Dude calm down. How about you go mix on an ssl like a REAL engineer! Then you'll get all the grammys!!

[@NiME9600]

if you work on a few songs different songs everyday, it's not "lazy" to load/use 1 plugin instead of 5 ... it's efficient. If you get 80% of the sound with 20% of the work, it's well worth it and not lazy at all. Most of us don't get paid 1k per mix and are able to try 3 differtent chains until stuff works ... some people also have other things to do :D Maybe it'll only work on 50% of the songs but you'll still save a lot of time

[@fcmas]

​@@NiME9600 so what was J.J. doing, with aaaaaaaall of his work, prior to this being released? Answer: not just relying on one single plugin to do all of his drum bus processing

[@NiME9600]

@@fcmas True, but J. is paid very well for the time he puts in. Most engineers are not and most clients don't care about the final 10% of polish because they can't even hear it. They are happy that they don't have to pay 2k for a mix because most artist won't make the money back so easily. The majority of artists are small artist that go into small studios (if at all) and have a tight budget for the mix. I think It's ok to save 50% of your time and CPU usage in that case

[@Despotez]

Lol, get over your self dude. :')

[@Mike_Benz_]

Everyone wants to sound like (copy) Jaycen. The whole world is becoming copies of other people, people idolize other people far too much, you should not idolize anyone but Jesus.

[@henrymyname8259]

😂😂😂 no one will ever sound exactly the same when it comes to mixing different material. Adding this to your music should just help you get there quicker and then work on other creative things more towards sound design and flavor. Studying someone’s process to create your own isn’t idolizing

[@RichardRosiles]

Jesus is a fairy tale

[@mygoogle1525]

You shall have NO odols. Isn't that written in the Bible?

[@Mike_Benz_]

@@henrymyname8259 I agree, but people just straight up copy thinking that they will sound like him because the are using the same plugins with same settings.

[@Mike_Benz_]

@@RichardRosiles A fairly tale that has captured billions of lives through thousands of years of worship. So you think you are smarter than thousands of years of humans lives? You are like only 40 years old.

[@wdkbeats]

Orion is way too heavy handed, especially the saturation. Don't understant why there's no way to use it is parrarell. Looking forward to hearing shitty sounding, distorted drums in every other amateur mix on KZbin LOL.

[@quazrmusic]

Sounds like a new car salesman talking about a vehicle he knows nothing about and is talking to you during the test drive. Blah blah ….. 12 mins into video and we’ve only heard diatribes about industry buzzwords… more examples of different genres maybe? @cradleaudio