Knock VS Orion - The Battle of The Drum Bus (Plugin)

[@billyghost2411]

Glad the algo served me up your stuff. An intelligent review with good music is pretty damn rare.

[@pluginhoarder]

Appreciate that! I’ll do my best to give lots more :) I’ve enjoyed watching reviews for years but got tired of hearing cheesy stock music so decided to start making my own 😂🙏

[@SPD87327]

Orion is amazing! I love it. I think one thing thats very important for people to know before investing into jaycen joshuas 2 plugin is to understand his philosphy on how to use these plugins. People just kinda run in guns blazing and dont do any research about the tools they're investing in and think they're bad... when they arent just using it right. BUT thats just my take on it, great review!! Orion 1 - Knock - 0

[@pluginhoarder]

Good take! I’m guilty of this myself as I like to try plugins out and read the manual/info after. Glad I didn’t completely fuck up the intention of the plugin though! 🙏

[@AH20XX]

He definitely has a "mix into" his plugins approach. I love both this and God Particle

[@Dane_Riazer]

I agree with you 100% it’s kind of sad that he did a review on a plug-in that he’s been working on and understood, and then did a battle review on another plug-in and didn’t even look at the instructions. The end sounded like “orion” won by a hair, based on your final take. 🫠

[@NimbusFirecloud]

Right! Jaycen still uses knock on his kick while mixing into Orion.

[@50prozenteou]

I was watching the Orion Masterclass with Jaycen Joshua the other day and he actually uses Knock, too. His approach was like Knock for mixing and Orion for like a console type saturation.

[@redvivid]

I've learned that using this sparingly gives the best results. The cool part is you can combine Orion with Knock in the chain. The transient shaper and clipper are magic.

[@pluginhoarder]

Oh shitttt! Great idea! Starting with Orion with light compression then heading into Knock to end with the clipper sounds fire. Shoulda tried that 🙏

[@Blah-i7n]

orion is magic .. tried the demo first and bought it

[@pluginhoarder]

It’s pretty fire!!

[@kuandemarco5498]

Knock for Breaks,and chopped samples. Orion for the Drum bus IMHO. Both of them are dope. Orion has that console sound like the NLS drum bus hack is built in it. Ant go,wrong with either. It is ok to like apples and Oranges.

[@eyeiaye]

Great review and great music! I have Knock so cool to see them compared. I agree Orion seemed to give a better sound just a bit quicker and with less fuss. Both are great plugins though

[@pluginhoarder]

Agreed! It’s hard to know if the inspiration from trying something new like Orion was what led me to feel that way or if it truly is quicker to a satisfying sound, time will tell. Thanks! 🙏

[@wdkbeats]

Orion is way too heavy handed, almost disrespectful to the source material. Especially the saturation section, it changes the sound way too much for my taste. KNOCK sounds so much better, it's not even a competition.

[@pluginhoarder]

I hear you, I don’t think it’s so black and white though, I think both are great tools and will be using them for different purposes

[@the_handsome_bear]

@@wdkbeats yeah if your drums are already mixed good Orion is heavy. My drums are usually already saturated and properly eqd and compressed before I hit the drum bus

[@lloyddaniel741]

Thanks for this comparison. After you configured Knock and pull up Orion to check on the later part of the song at 11:44 and after Orion isn’t actively working.

[@pluginhoarder]

Thanks for watching lloyd! Orion is on after 11:44, I had it hidden off screen unfortunately and used a screen shot for visual reference. I'll do better in the future to make sure I keep all the plugins open on screen while im recording 🙏

[@lloyddaniel741]

@@pluginhoarder ah…gotcha! That makes sense! Thanks for clarifying and again thanks for the comparison! I just got Orion because it is on sale bundled with the God Particle and wondered how it stacked up to Knock. Appreciate the time you put into this video. Keep it up!

[@lloyddaniel741]

@pluginhoarder Also, maybe add text to this video stating you’re using a pic since it was off screen to avoid comments like mine in the future?

[@pluginhoarder]

@@lloyddaniel741 I'm new to youtube so I havent figured out how to do that yet, ill look into it! Thanks

[@lloyddaniel741]

@@pluginhoarder Right on! For being new your videos are great!! Your channel is going to blow up!

[@robertocedenno]

Orion sounds amazing!

[@pluginhoarder]

Sounds big right?!

[@doodoogtube]

Orion for the Win! The first time I heard Orion myself I was like “Oh, OKaaay🤔… another ONE☝”.

[@pluginhoarder]

I told my self no more plugins until 2025… so much for that 😂

[@Dane_Riazer]

@@pluginhoarder 🤣

[@LumenateBinauralBeats]

Orion uses far too much cpu for it to be constantly on your buss. Its using 50% of my 6 core

[@pluginhoarder]

True, it is a CPU monster 👿

[@superproducercbiz]

Orion has more low end thump to it. More of a “thicker” sound.

[@pluginhoarder]

Agreed! Thanks 🙏

[@the_handsome_bear]

I just wish Orion had a mix knob cause it almost makes the drums too blistering or too hot if u already have them mixed good

[@pluginhoarder]

Agreed! I think it’s prob best to mix into something like this

[@davidfields1920]

Turn down the amount of each of the modules To have less of the drive just either turn it off or turn down the input

[@gforced__9017]

are your settings on orion in the end comparison different (flat/color a) compared to the beginning (sliders up/color c)?

[@pluginhoarder]

No, they are the same settings, I had the plugins closed at the end and was just turning channels on and off. I used a screenshot of each plugin at the end to show which one was playing. Good catch!

[@DruDilly]

From 10:46, Orion meters are not moving. Are you sure it was engaged?

[@pluginhoarder]

I had the plugin on my channel view so it wasn't on screen, I added that screen shot as a visual aid. It's engaged just didn't have the video of it. Sorry about that!

[@DruDilly]

@@pluginhoarder 😉

[@OscarSlapp]

I asked this question a few days ago

[@pluginhoarder]

What’s your verdict?

[@KarasamaBeats]

From 11:45 Orion is still bypassed somewhere cuz there aint any signal display happening in the plugin.

[@pluginhoarder]

I was soloing the channel so I go quickly back and forth, it was not bypassed but not on screen so I used a screenshot as a visual representation. 🙏

[@KarasamaBeats]

@@pluginhoarder oh thats why we couldnt see any signal animation inside the plugin there ! Thnx for clarifying it

[@pluginhoarder]

No problem! I’ll try and figure out a better way to record the plugins for future comparisons, thanks for watching!

[@toolondaboards]

I have Knock and wish they’d sell each module separately. I rarely use all at once. 😮

[@smokem2d662]

You can just turn all the modules you aren't using off 🤷

[@sfisodlamini54]

The orion version is better for me. add knock after for some slight saturation and clipping you're golden

[@pluginhoarder]

Yeah that’s a great combo right there 😍

[@hitplaybeats7221]

you aren't the same guy that used to do videos for reason by chance are you?

[@pluginhoarder]

I happen to be that guy! Just a bit older 😂

[@hitplaybeats7221]

@@pluginhoarder what’s crazy is literally a few days ago I thought to my self, “I wonder what that guy is doing now” found my answer 😂 universe is wild

[@pluginhoarder]

@hitplaybeats7221 damn that’s crazy!! It be like that! 🙏

[@MajorqeyBeatz]

Orion is crazy

[@pluginhoarder]

It’s a keeper!

[@AdelSweezy]

i'm going Knock with the punchy drums and orion for the weigh

[@pluginhoarder]

😂🔥

[@zzzzzzzzz3870]

Good take! 🤟🏽

[@Dane_Riazer]

I can’t believe you did this video 😂 . Not hating, just surprised. 🙃

[@pluginhoarder]

Why surprised haha?

[@Dane_Riazer]

@@pluginhoarder Orion it was designed to give you a polished, large, and dynamic mix, especially with a focus on emulating high-end analog gear while knock focus is on helping producers get their drums to hit hard, punch through the mix, and sound loud and clean without distortion or unwanted artifacts.

[@Dane_Riazer]

​@@pluginhoarder I get it, though. When people mention 'drums' in videos like this, the focus is often too limited to specific comparisons, which doesn’t fully represent what these plugins can actually do. For example, if you use reference tracks to gauge how your mix should sound, you’ll notice that using the 'C' option in the color section opens up the 1-3kHz range. This is great for both vocal buses and drums, and professional tracks tend to keep this range more open. Features like the 'lift' help make that group more solid, which is often referred to as making it 'stand up in the mix.' The parallel section adds depth, working similarly to wet/dry control. I could go on, but I don’t think it’s necessary. I love seeing fun videos like this in the community, but a lot of times, the deeper methods behind using these plugins don’t get the justice they deserve.

[@pluginhoarder]

@@Dane_Riazer I hear you, my intention for this video was just a fun quick comparison of two things that are incomparable hahah, I do deeper dives in other videos though! Thanks for your input, you know your stuff 🤝

[@pluginhoarder]

Also, I read the description of the plugin on cradles site and it mentioned this was specifically for drums, the quote is “Take your drums beyond the super analog Add power, punch and weight to your drums in seconds Saturation, compression, and harmonic tools to sculpt your drums Complex parallel routing simplified into one plug-in” this is a similar sales pitch to Knock which was where the idea came from.

[@khalilroukoz]

knock ☝🏼

[@AndresDiazlores]

When you are comparing both plugins, orion is in the default preset, is not a 1:1 comparison. And tell me wrong but, in the last comparison why neither knock and orion shows any input????

[@pluginhoarder]

I should have made this more clear: Orion is not in its default setting, it’s in the setting I set up in the beginning of the video. Later on when I’m comparing the two plugins I forgot to leave them open on screen (I was just soloing the channels) so I put screenshots up as visual representations. I should have said that… Will do better in future comparisons, thanks for watching 🙏

[@AndresDiazlores]

​@@pluginhoarder Oh, I get it. Maybe next time you could add a note to let us know, it would be less confusing, good video btw🤘

[@pluginhoarder]

Will do for sure! 🙏🙏🙏

[@mixbygygyondbeat1295]

Both are cool but Orion sounds more upfront and tight.....

[@pluginhoarder]

Yeah, I think Orion is sounding pretty dope

[@WIALLIFE]

ORION, BUT I LIKE BOTH..

[@Adam3030-zf4gr]

Orion for the W

[@pluginhoarder]

🏆

[@zzzzzzzzz3870]

Is that you in the intro 😂

[@pluginhoarder]

I don’t remember

[@kartyelrecords]

Orion ✨️🫶✨️

[@g.d.4304]

orion is nuking any cpu that isnt a m1, m2 or m3...therefore i'm staying on knock. orion sounds good though

[@pluginhoarder]

I hear you on that! 🙏

[@ProducerStefanSchnabel]

Orion much more punch. ✨🎶

[@pluginhoarder]

Def a lot better with the low end!

[@MoveTrueRecords_]

You all jokes aside i think "LOL" is better then Orion

[@billyolsson3340]

how about nothing of it? better.

[@pluginhoarder]

I was waiting for this take, I agree lol! I’m not a big drum bus guy. Only about 30% of the time

[@beatpax]

this terrible beat makes it very hard to tell the difference

[@pluginhoarder]

😕