The Unmade R-Rated Venom Movie: Spider-Man 3's Spinoff You'll Never See - Canned Goods

[@HemmasStudios_]

To listen to the FULL INTERVIEW with Jacob Estes where we talk all about Venom, how it came to be, and its swift demise, how they knew it would the video should be up soon on Patreon! (I'll update this comment when it is) Patreon.com/hemmasstudios Or follow us on Twitter and Instagram @HemmasStudios

[@alejandroperez9215]

It's funny that the RV family and Casady being the villain would be used in Let There Be Carnage and The Last Dance....

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah how weird it is

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

​@@srstriker6420yeh and threcwas anther vdnomn sinpoff scripts Don jn found footage styles eh itbeou ben li rely scary and hard r rated as well

[@lukestarkiller441]

They also seemed to have reworked the church scene as well for Let there Be Carnage. I wonder how much of it is really a coincidence?

[@allosaur_reborn]

Sony loves repurposing their old scripts, read David Koepp's Spider-Man 2 draft and it literally has Captain Stacy and Peter's argument at the Stacy family dinner just like TASM 1 ended up having.

[@HemmasStudios_]

I think Carnage being the villain is a bit of a stretch- he’s *the* Venom villain. But you’re not wrong. I did a video a few years ago on the 1997 Venom script- where Carnage dies in a way that’s *eerily* similar to how Eddie “Dies” in Spider-Man 3

[@adrianthearmorwarrior1605]

" Somehow Venom Returned"

[@Facade953]

The same thing happened to Ultimate Venom. At first, he got vaporized by electric cables and then he showed up at Central Park with no explanation.😅

[@JimMilton55]

@Facade953 he didn't get vaporized tho just shocked. He fled

[@funnydude447]

"No one's ever really gone"

[@gos_707]

I thank you for having this this video, and understand what could’ve been after Spier-Man 3. Love it!

[@HemmasStudios_]

Always great to see you Gos, glad you liked it- it was a pleasure to make :)

[@jcasali3391]

so Topher Graces Eddie was gonna survive being in a Explosion from a Pumpkin bomb? how the hell

[@1-Cørps-1]

He saw the potential money and resurrected.

[@jcasali3391]

@@1-Cørps-1 ha very funny not

[@nicksorenson940]

However people have felt about Tom Hardy's Venom, at least now we can say that he's carried the character through 3 whole movies after Topher Grace barely got to be Venom for just one.

[@jcasali3391]

@@nicksorenson940 but IMO Tophers Eddie at least had Spider-Man and was comic accurate

[@chr1z.76o]

eddie idk how but dr conners had a sample of the symbiote

[@barney7822]

Marvel fans: "We want VENOM to be R-Rated." Avi Arad: "VENOM will be PG-13, so everyone can bring their children to watch it. It will be fun for the whole family." Me: "þussy"

[@Granados07]

I mean, if Terminator, Robocop and Alien can get kids merchandise despite being rated r, then why can’t venom? (I know it was the 90s I was just wondering.)

[@Facade953]

The ending reminds me of the " War Of The Symbiotes " storyline from Ultimate Spider-Man when Venom absorbed the Carnage symbiote and transformed into a demonic looking monster that didn't resemble Venom or Carnage.

[@diegolorente8435]

I kinda like Spider-Man three

[@HemmasStudios_]

Oh, let me be clear, I *love* Spider-Man 3

[@robertmason837]

I respect that you like Spider-Man 3, so do I better than movies coming out today.

[@rbbiethemacabre]

“He must’ve had a good reason for doing that.” LMAOOOO

[@giftheck]

"Eddie calls his father, Senator Lewis Brock" "It's Brock, sir. Edward Brock Junior"

[@HemmasStudios_]

Also my first thought when I read the name in the script :P

[@jacobdinofan3070]

Not gonna lie,this script sounds pretty decent,would've loved to see this.

[@HemmasStudios_]

And it’s only a first draft! It could have been even better with a rewrite!

[@santaclaus1365]

19:56 nothing could have prepared me for this

[@HemmasStudios_]

Does this cement me on the nice list for life?

[@FrIcKeFrEsH02]

I would’ve loved to have gotten a Spider-Man 4 and a venom spinoff. That Venom will always be the best live action version of Venom we’ve ever gotten. He was actually Scary and a serious character. But as usual, Sony is a huge disease and ruins everything.

[@HemmasStudios_]

Much like Warner Bros usually being their own worst enemy to make good DC movies, Sony is usually their own worst enemy of making great Spider Man movies.

[@thecartoonman3263]

19:51 THAT CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD 🤣

[@HemmasStudios_]

I was waiting for someone to bring it up :)

[@9klincoln]

really enjoyed this movie the raimi verse all together i would have KILLED to see this happen

[@madduxbosko6433]

Fun fact, Venom wasn’t supposed to be in Spider-Man 3. It was supposed to be Vulture

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Ive grown to love Spider-Man 3 over time man

[@HemmasStudios_]

You and me both. I especially love the Editors cut of the movie they put out a few years ago.

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

hot take but spiderman 3’s venom is my favorite version

[@HemmasStudios_]

That’s definitely a hot take but I appreciate you saying it with your whole chest 😎

[@Facade953]

Same here.😊

[@yeez13]

I’ve always wondered how a Venom movie would look if they tried to reconcile the old canon w/ the newer post-Donny Cates Venom canon and this kind of comes pretty close to it like how The Last Dance seems to. It’s wild how much bl00d got squeezed from that stone to write this especially when this was shortly before (or at the start of?) the Agent Venom stuff with Flash Thompson…so they had to make it up as they went along back then 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Facade953]

The Dony Cates " Venom Canon " is horrible. He should have stuck to writing Thor stories and not retconning something that didn't need to be fixed.

[@GOGETAYOSHI44]

Maybe the piece of Symbiote brought him to life

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

Curt Connors had a sample of the Symbiote, so I assumed venom wasnt 'Dead'

[@Joey-vs4fr]

That was a different one, this is the same symbiote

[@Person-wz6iy]

'VENOM!" -Eminem.

[@HemmasStudios_]

Song is a banger- listened to it on the way to see Venom 3 yesterday!

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

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[@fictionrumble]

welcome back

[@HemmasStudios_]

Always great to see you Fiction Rumble

[@fictionrumble]

@@HemmasStudios_ you too!😁👍🏻

[@markkenny2001]

I like to see the topic of the many unproduced sequels to Beetlejuice (1988) particularly Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian.

[@HemmasStudios_]

I can definitely look into it!

[@JoeChillton]

This is new. The only other script details are from Goyer which included a past with Eddie and Cletus and it was around i think 1997. And the whole spider like decals Venom uses from his webs and that of the symbiotes using a race of six armed spider aliens, explaining his Venom symbol too.

[@HemmasStudios_]

I love that Goyer script- I made a video about it a few years ago. It's funny how some of the stuff not from the comics repeats into the movies that actually released.

[@JoeChillton]

@@HemmasStudios_ full circle

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

​@@HemmasStudios_wiud younever be wlling tob di video onn ghost rider 3

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

But would of been cool to get more in the sam rami universe

[@Plexer101]

I'm mixed about this spin-off...some of the ideas were good, others not so much...Honey's character is abit inconsistent and needed some work (specifically her betrayal and pointless Symbiot)...the ending doesn't sound very satisfying...and my final gripe is Eddie's lack of continuity since he should have probably straight away wanted to find and kill Peter after waking up since he still hates his guts....I think the only way his objective could change is if he talked out his frustrations with Honey and she would have pointed out how Eddie screwed both Spidey and Peter with his fake picture etc and that would lead Eddie to thinking about changing his career to writing a biography about the "heroic Venom" which is why he gets motivated to start stopping crime and make a name for himself as a hero (you could also tie in that the Symbiot enjoyed stopping crime with Peter which adds an extra layer of motivation).

[@HemmasStudios_]

I think these are definitely cool ideas- and what you’re saying makes a lot of sense. I wonder if stuff like what you’re saying would have been implemented if Estes had the opportunity to do a rewrite. But the point about Honey’s betrayal- in the script her betrayal is laid out in a cleaner way. Estes does a great job with showing Eddie on his crime stopping spree getting more and more violent and Honey getting progressively more unnerved, which works in a movie, but is much harder to communicate in a high level plot summary!

[@Plexer101]

​@@HemmasStudios_thanks for clearing that up. I might actually look into the script for more details if it's publicly available, but I'd just like to say that you did a great job on the video. Its high quality reflects the great deal of effort you clearly put in. Looking forward to future uploads!

[@homanism6438]

I have 113 unproduced superhero scripts. I once sent it to you in through twitter. Anyway, where did you get this venom synopsis?

[@TheTroutPlayer]

Can you send one to me? @coolcomicart 👍

[@HemmasStudios_]

Can't reveal where I got it from, I always protect my sources ;)

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

​@@HemmasStudios_wiud tiunyounevee bwcwlling tondsciys th plans fir ghost rider 3

[@zillax9026]

Damn, really Wanana see this spinoff , at least the world is never perfect

[@Facade953]

Carnage being a rejected opera singer sounds hillarious!😂🤣

[@zillafilmsstudios854]

I thought Spider-Man 3 was an alright movie but I felt like they just put too much and not enough for what they were marketing or just because Sony was rushing Sam Ramey on this and so it was a movie full of unfinished stories and mixed ideas and I think the current venom movies are fun and the design for venom in Spider-Man 3 was good my only problem that he was scrawny and we kept seeing eddies face too much and not enough with venom’s face but overall if they did this I’d watch it

[@HemmasStudios_]

I love Spider-Man 3 but I can agree with a lot of those points- but it didn't really bother me that Venom was scrawny. I feel like Venom in SM3 feels like an adaptation of the character if he existed in the 60s with Doc Ock, Sandman, Green Goblin, etc.

[@mediamanjamessmith251]

“Lewis Brock” being the name of Eddie’s father is a strange call, as Spider-Man 3 uses the comic accurate name with Eddie introducing himself as “Edward Brock Jr”

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Can you do a video on the cancelled X-force movies from the 20th century fox X-Men movies franchise

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

great vid mate

[@alexoxo1]

I saw someone have the idea that Eddie and venom were able to live because of the droplet Connor’s had and Eddie’s essence had fused with the symbiote that much that he or “they” became one. And it’s how he was able to come back

[@RivaaahSP]

We AR VENoOOm

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

Spider-Man 3 is my favourite Marvel movie. Would've loved to watch Topher Grace return as Venom. Coincidentally, Bullets and Blockbusters also uploaded a video on this topic a few days ago.

[@marko-gj1uj]

I am just about to watch the Venom 3 today. Also, this script kind of stupid I love it.

[@claratamu7240]

This movie actually sounds really good

[@Rexer-u6o]

Better Than The Venom Movie We Got In 2018

[@ed5408]

Sounds better than the venom movies. Also, Carnage is pure evil in this story as he should be. In venom let there be carnage, Cassidy has some restraint and compassion.

[@kevinskywalker5539]

which version of the script did you see, because the one i heard of was with topher grace reprising his role as eddie brock jr./venom, and co-starring jim carrey as cletus kassidy/carnage.

[@HemmasStudios_]

This draft was dated October 23rd of 2007, if I remember correctly. As far as my conversation with Jacob goes- he never mentioned Carey. But I thought the Jim Carey as Carnage was tied to the 1997 Venom script David S Goyer wrote, but I could be wrong.

[@adamdablarg4249]

After hearing this draft, I’m ok with it never being made

[@TheMatchesMalone]

You gotta lock in Bullets and Blockbusters already did this video

[@HemmasStudios_]

I went internet blackout for the past week to finish the video. That’s funny we did it so close to each other. The love for Venom rolls on!

[@Mitchob1012]

I think the biggest thing against this movie is the simple fact that all Spider-Man has to do in this universe is just go on record immediately saying "Hey Eddie Brock is actually Venom, he tried to kill me and my girlfriend, as well as Harry frickin Osborn" lol Not to mention that Venom did spin webs in Spider-Man 3... like a lot. I don't know why they tried to make it into a big moment. Also find this (early) iteration of Venom very strange... I kinda like how they keep to it being non-verbal like in the movie, but the symbiote suddenly taking on the characteristics of the Hulk with how it uncontrollably emerges just feels off in this script. Not to mention the exposition just sounds incredibly clunky... I know it was a rough draft and what not but I am super glad they didn't go with this

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

19:51 great job 😂

[@Joey-vs4fr]

Wouldn’t be great if we got SM4 with a better written version of this happening in the background at the exact same time But at the end of the film Peter hears the news and goes to find Eddie, and hears about the Carnage fight then he’s in the final fight too

[@kwayneboy1524]

I would've ended it with Sunny calling of going to Peter and MJ's home and asking Pete for help with the symbiote to either remove it or to help train them both.

[@Joey-vs4fr]

@@kwayneboy1524 interesting… I would have ended with it being the same bridge that the Goblin fight was on from the first movie. Peter would find one or a few pumpkin bombs and use the one on Cassidy, knocking him down into the water temporarily so Eddie can explain how he survived and so on

[@LucaFarrell-w4u]

sick!

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I just saw venom the last dance and i liked it even though its a crazy movie i enjoyed it alot man

[@HemmasStudios_]

I thought Last Dance was serviceable but also had moments I *loved.* (the dance scene had me wheezing)

[@srstriker6420]

You know I wouldn’t even know how he would have appeared since he was killed and was made an irredeemable villain probably no doubt out of spite as Raimi never wanted to use him in the first place but since no way home had five villains instead of six for the Sinister Six that sixth could have been Grace’s Venom or the scorpion from Homecoming. Can you do Beetlejuice 2 original script?

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@srstriker6420 well perhaps th symbols woud hav ressureyctee Eddie

[@nicksorenson940]

Every other aspect Raimi loved from the original Spider-Man comics I still love how he brought to screen in his film trilogy. Venom just seems to be that one outlier where I've grown to enjoy Tom Hardy's version more cause his movies feel like they were developed more by people who are actually fans of the character and the deeper lore of the symbiotes, along with just looking way more accurate to his iconic design from the comics as well. Also doesn't help that for as cool as Tobey's climatic fight with him was at the end of SM3, Venom was barely in it for as long as Sandman was before getting killed off completely. Love or hate the new Venom movies, but they've definitely done a lot more for the character that what Raimi was able to (or wanted to) with his extremely minor role in Spider-Man 3.

[@lefszycic]

Could you track down Myles Murphy and find out if that Hypno-Hustler movie was ever a thing?

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Have you read david s goyers cancelled Ghost Rider script from like 2001

[@JazzyBlade-pp4hv]

Can you do a video on the original script draft for Jumper by David S.Goyer sometime in the future, please?

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

I dont get how this would of worked on just one point you can see Eddies skeleton in the explosion unless they recon it

[@HemmasStudios_]

It’s never specified in the script but I read it as the Eddie we’re with is Eddie’s consciousness with a gooey, no bones Venom body that is essentially identical Eddie’s human form that Venom has created, but I could be wrong.

[@lenadams854]

10:05 half-life moment

[@HemmasStudios_]

This comment made me choke on my drink from laughing.

[@amritpalhh9836]

I liked parts of it but I didn’t like the one and done stuff

[@reduxreacts]

But if Venom died in Spiderman 3 how does he come back?

[@ArachnidYouth]

Welp from the looks of it the symbiote survived and preserved eddies consciousness

[@HemmasStudios_]

Basically what @ArachnidYouth said- pieces of the suit survived in the rubble of the battle after the explosion and preserved Eddie’s consciousness.

[@markmagician2471]

Spider-Man 3 may have been bad but it's better than Far From Home least in my opinion

[@HemmasStudios_]

SM3 and FFH both suffer in my mind from being stuffed with a *ton* of ideas but not having time to execute on most of them properly. Maybe I’m biased, but I also agree that I like SM3 more.

[@jefferysalentine8510]

R therose pedals shaped like venoms chest?

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

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[@HemmasStudios_]

A Hayden Dr. Strange movie? I’ve never heard of that, but holy moly I love that casting for the time.

[@HirstMovies]

ngl this sounded really boring

[@kwayneboy1524]

How so?

[@giornothepastaboss285]

Spider-Man three isn’t a movie it’s a hilariously good bad movie😅

[@TheKryptonianSaiyan]

But it’s still better than the Tom Holland movies

[@lemmetellyousomething8756]

for a draft this actually sounds kinda good, better than venom 3 thats for sure

[@HemmasStudios_]

I thought Last Dance was perfectly serviceable, not great though. I’m guessing you didn’t like V3?