Henry: "You Used To Be Heroes, What Happen To You?" (Once Upon A Time S2E17)

[@xCanYouFeelTheLovex]

I love how Snow is just laying in bed during their conversation. I know she's depressed, it's just a little funny to see everyone freaking out and she's just laying there like "I hate my life and what it's turned into..."

[@themisfitowl2595]

And here we see Henry getting a major life lesson, that his heroes are capable of villainous things and his villains are often times themselves victims. The line between them is not nearly so black and white as a fairy tale would ever tell.

[@Augiegrl12]

Charming: *opens door and sees Rumple* Get out! For some reason I just love that part.

[@onceshipper2761]

You're not the only one! hahaha :)

[@thatoncer]

Same

[@anitatharmarajah7905]

Same vibes as Graham in the new years special of doctor who

[@faithadeosun1574]

Same

[@JaneSt.Valentine]

"You used to be heroes... what happened to you?!" ^ The fandom during seasons 4-6

[@SchultzDorinda]

Yeah I would have liked Henry calling them out on their shitty deeds instead of following them around. It would have been great if he also reminded them that Rumple is still his grandpa and asked them to help him with Belle and Gideon instead of going against him for no reason. Plus it actually would've made the horrible seasons more watchable if their misdeeds were named as such and that we even had lots of episodes of the Heroes realizing their mistakes and struggljng to make it up for them.

[@jolinkarlsson8569]

I can’t get over how damn cute Henry was in the first seasons

[@madisonrowe8428]

An eye for an eye. Regina killed Snows father and Snow killed Reginas mother whom also killed Snows mother. And yet there all related....

[@mckayleem3098]

If they continued down that path, everyone would’ve killed everyone.

[@alexplays_roblox1k373]

REGINA DIDNT SAMDI DID WITH THE SNAKE THEN HE WENT INTO REGINA MIRROR BC HE LOVED HER

[@srayj]

I love that Charming is making breakfast for Emma and Henry. The family scenes are my favorite part of the show, I hope we get more of them in season 3.

[@WayToDawn72]

i love how emma makes a reference to aladdin w breaking magic laws. I love even more the fact gold just nods in agreement as she lists them

[@kellentia]

I love young Henry! Jared Gilmore is such a superb actor!

[@alguien1234]

I like him. At first, he saw that her adoptive mother was a bad person, and tried to stop her. Then he has realized that the "" good people "" not always are good and wants to defend his adoptive mother too, because he loves her.

[@fiveaday30]

Henry needs some friends

[@C.V.20]

@fiveaday30 Well, the only friends he have is a book and a dog name Pongo (Archie dog).

[@SuperBloodredmoon]

Super WolfieStar *Pongo

[@happycatlemon4593]

FR

[@mckayleem3098]

fiveaday30 really? As a kid i always thought it was awesome how all his friends were adults. Wasn’t there an episode with him at a party with all adults and Emma was like “we gotta get you home before your mom finds out...”? There are certain advantages 😂😂🤣

[@ajsnshjsnsbsb]

Oh yeah

[@humaymahyaser74]

Henry is so right if it wasn't for Henry everyone would be doomed

[@CrossoverFan4life]

Henry has a reason to be upset to me. Emma did lie to him about his father, though to be fair she didn't know he was alive and though Regina is evil, she is still his mother and is a bit justified in calling the Charmings and Gold on planning to kill Regina Mr.Gold is right on Regina being complicated as well.

[@flamoskully3583]

+Ruthie Klein I agree also,if you see that one of your parents(mother/father),and there gone.Then,one of them lies to you about the other one,lol im saying one's a lot.But you realize your father or mother lied to you that the other person died.People become upset,it always happens in a lot of shows too.

[@mollyroberts9196]

Who is Henry’s Dad

[@ThePinkDragon]

My poor Henry

[@juliemcintyre428]

@Big Ol Internet Troll Neither is being a grandfather and you seem to be forgetting Rumple has done worse than Regina and the other villains, aside from Pan and maybe Cora.

[@alexplays_roblox1k373]

@@juliemcintyre428 No Rumple kills ppl who cross paths with him

[@Aye_Bebe.]

Henry's Line is hitting David hard in season 5😂

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

____ is the thing that most heroes have in fact historically done (outside of children's shows). lol

[@sammillward62]

It really annoys me how they make all of their decisions based on Henry's approval. They are the adults and should make the difficult decisions.

[@JabamiLain]

Unless, deep down, they think he might have a point.

[@UltimateJM_22]

@JabamiLainand they know he has a point. Henry’s the whole reason Emma came to Storybrooke to fulfill the prophecy and all that.

[@alittlebirdysaid]

I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to Henry or validate his feelings, but this show treats him like Yoda. He's not all-knowing, and every now and then it would be great if the parental figures in his life actually behaved like parents and didn't justify their every action or bargain for his approval. Sometimes kids just need to accept that adults know better; they're certainly more capable of making tough decisions. Henry's delusion that he has this innate understanding of the right thing to do is extremely cloying, but what's worse is that the adults believe it as well. I've never seen a child character act like, or be treated like, less of a child. I hope now the actor's growing up the writers let Henry go through a pubescent little shit phase, because at least it would be realistic; I think I'd like him more for it.

[@alexandriett3]

well 3 year later u should now he knows better the way he view things is dif than others he is the writer and he knew and believed which made all of this possible and he never was a normal kid i guess he s henry

[@aulayawilliams-grant2927]

Well, he is the truest believer.

[@Amestria]

I love how Emma is quoting Genie from Aladdin.

[@hnoack4071]

When??

[@bluestar-4496]

@H Noack at 1:39 when she was talking about magic laws, she was sort of alluding to what the genie said about what some could not wish for, which just happens to also be the rules of how magic work in OUAT.

[@youtuber2646]

Aww.. Love u snow

[@AGENT702]

RATED PG for thematic elements, scary definition and brief language.

[@kitaroyuta]

He wanted to know the truth and not be lied to but afterwards he gets upset about it...what a brat. He needs to grow up and know that not everything happens the way you would like it to.

[@manramen]

You know, it's interesting how both Snow and Regina never found out about who gave Snow the candle in the first place.

[@samcochran8203]

Yeah, Cora did kind of bring it on herself by giving that to snow

[@SchultzDorinda]

@@samcochran8203 yes and no, because the one who ultimately gave the candle back to Snow was Rumple. Cora bring it on herself by murdering Snow's mother and eventually telling Snow. But most importantly she eventually paid the price for ripping her own heart out in the first place and choosing Power over anything else.

[@daurydavis3983]

Henry what happened to them is that they're living in the real word/modern world, victory isn't always won with motivational speeches or giving the enemies a second chance

[@JabamiLain]

Can't wait to see Sora learn that lesson in "Kingdom Hearts".

[@mayme4743]

Henry leaning his head on Emma was adorable

[@joshuaplotkin8826]

No one stays a hero forever

[@Cassadinegirlaz]

Oh Henry, might sweet summer child .... it's time to grow up.

[@micahgoldson1253]

I don’t understand why they all dance on eggshells around Henry. He’s a kid, not their boss.

[@JabamiLain]

It's exactly because he's a kid. A sensitive one with a black and white perspective at that. It's hard for them to even imagine breaking his heart in any way. But you're right. Children aren't bosses.

[@CB-bk9ze]

You can’t bring someone back to life someone really needs to tell that to killian

[@Vil3Scan]

The answer to everyone's problems is.... Swan Queen. Regina gets all the love she needs and all feud's come to an end

[@neerushachuttoorgoon673]

True :-*

[@helenmeirianwenjones-willi8197]

Does anyone know which episode Henry calls Emma "mom" for the first time?

[@oncersm7884]

Not till the second season

[@SongMeanings1818]

I hate this episode. Snow was entirely justified to kill Cora. This show gives the idea that it's *never* ok to kill anyone. It's always wrong. I hate that about this show. Like there are good parts of it but that message is just horrible. By the logic of this show all soldiers in the military are villains and not heroes. That is just disgraceful I'm sorry but honestly it's disgusting. Sometimes a hero has to kill a minority of villains to save the innocent majority. That is a heroic action not a villains one. Had Snow not killed Cora, Cora would've killed Emma, Charming *and* Snow. Therefore Snow was justified to kill Cora because 1. it was self defense 2. more people would've died if Cora wasn't killed 3. the majority who would've died if Snow didn't kill Cora were innocent people where as Cora is *not* an innocent person. And the fact that Snow's heart darkens as a result of killing Cora which is a good deed is basically the writers saying "morality is objective: killing is always wrong is a fundamental rule, it applies to each and every situation".

[@diggersam8865]

I agree with you SongMeanings, I think it was crap that the show make killing Cora a dark deed despite she was mad dog it needed to be put down, though having Snow tricking Regina into killing Cora was in my opinion very cowardly, though I dont agree with the shows morality objective that killing wrong no matter what the circumstance, because lets say the heroes encounter a villain worse than Cora or Rumple, like Sauron, Jadis the White Witch, or the Horned King and they decide to spare that villain. Remember what Zemo did to the Avengers in Captain America Civil War, or what the Joker did to Superman in the Injustice game? The writers forget that Cora would have killed everyone if Snow hadn't done something and honestly Cora was evil with and without a heart. I think Cora got off way too easy in season five.

[@SongMeanings1818]

Samantha Burkediggersam88 Thank you! I know a few oncers who agree with me, but there's many that think Snow should've spared Cora. I personally interpret that as them saying Emma, Snow and Charming should have died instead of Cora as that is what would've happened if Cora lived.

[@diggersam8865]

SongMeanings thanks and also my point is that supposedly they spare Cora and give her heart back without killing her. How do we know she would have found a way to get the heroes to kill each other? Cause Cora was evil before she took her heart out.

[@maaska.8432]

Actually, spoiler alert if you didn't see it, but Emma killed Cruella to save Henry in season 4, and even though Cruella was defenseless and couldn't hurt anyone, nobody blame Emma. That's not the only case, I think, but obviously, the show isn't against "killing for good reasons". Here, it's not about Snow killing Cora, it's about what it means. Like Snow White is supposed to be a hero who never hurt and always do good, they want to show that even Snow isn't "perfect". The fact that she's in that state, like depressed, is because she had that image of her too and couldn't believe she would actually be able to kill someday. And actually, except Regina and Henry who is still "immature", nobody blame her.

[@emilish624]

also the fact that snow said earlier she would "kill Cora" when she found out Cora was the reason her mother died. At that moment Snow basically became "regina" embracing her dark side of wanting revenge. she had no problem doing it. it was only after did she feel regret for killing Cora that way: aka tricking Regina to do it for her. cause she wasnt brave enough to do it herself.

[@Drace90]

Henry doesn't need to do anything, but to get raised properly. And sadly he hadn't very much luck with that, but that's not his fault. He is a child and goes through a very hard time. He may got the family he always dreamed about, but now he experiences that they are lying to him and killing people, just as Regina did. I'd be mad about that, too, and with "Adult business, kid! Get over it!" you wouldn't help him at all.

[@ghostface5087]

Drace90 sometimes you have to lie to your kids at first but then tell them the truth. But in the end they should always tell the truth! But then also not telling him could be for the best

[@LivingLife233]

What does Rumple say after Emma says "not to mention your grandson's" ??

[@amandacoleman2324]

wars have costs

[@miksimpatikwhitney]

When OUAT started Henry was a pretty smart kid. It seems like the more he grows up the more he becomes childish and stupid.

[@SchultzDorinda]

That is because is dreams and hopes are being crushed one by one. And now with he latter seasons we can easily see how is family are bad influences.

[@KhepriProductions2022]

Teenage angst had to kick in eventually.

[@Kariann10]

Put more once upon a time

[@stephaniecabrera9396]

Emma Swan Was Conversation Her Too People To

[@samiai8905]

You know, the best solution to this would be to tie Henry's life to Snow's. That way Regina cant kill her or use the spell on him

[@eleanarussell5595]

I really hate how the show treats Henry like he's all wise. He is not. He is a child. The adults need to start acting like adults and Henry needs to go back to his real mother: Regina.

[@dkulkarni12]

Eleana Russell Emma is his real mother

[@juliemcintyre428]

@@dkulkarni12 No Emma is his birth mother but that doesn't mean she's his real mother. Regina is the one who raised Henry and he turned out fine.

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093]

Well he would have... They were planning to kill her.

[@aulayawilliams-grant2927]

He turned out fine?? If he did thats only because he found Emma and brought her to Storybooks. Before, this angel of a mother you seemed to be pressed about was literally taking him to a shrink trying to Convince him that he was psychotic.

[@MoonlightSkyye]

Henry is a bit annoying I mean at first he's like tell me I'm not a kid anymore next thing you know he's out the door

[@rodrickskeeyon252]

Regina hates herself more than Snow so the curse would have never worked.. In theory

[@ΠανωραίαΓιαννούτσου]

Good point.

[@ti3ndx]

Well, if she had used Snow’s heart, it wouldnt have worked. Because the person she hated the most is herself 😇

[@TheAngelusRequiem]

Henry used to be my favorite part of the show, but now he's just so...irritating. In the first season, he couldn't say enough how much Regina wasn't his mother and how she was evil , needed to be stopped, and made his life miserable. Now, after she kills, lies, and tries to slaughter his real family, they're the ones who are wrong? The character went downhill quickly. Oh, and every parent lies at some point. His character needs to get over it.

[@millymcbug]

3:05

[@hsrichards2930]

Is it just me or does when someone say the title that words stand out the most

[@Drace90]

Yeah, right. You are totally relaxed, you're not offended by my different opinion at all and of course you will so not read that comment after playing cool and "being done talking to me". XD (Oh, and I'm really not wondering who should grow up here.^^) Keep persuading yourself. ;)

[@Drace90]

Oh, I hate it when people can't empathize with children. Especially when they presume to judge about them. That's just not right.

[@JabamiLain]

Henry is still less babied than Sora. Good for Emma for not being like Riku. You gotta be honest when you can.

[@Drace90]

Do you remember when you were a kid and you hated when snooty adults said stuff like that to you. Congratulations, you're now one of them. And just by the way: There is a huge difference between growing up and becoming embittered.

[@Cassadinegirlaz]

Uh did you really find my comment that nasty? Yeesh. And for the record, when I was a child, I appreciated when the adults around me told me the truth and didn't sugarcoat things. Winter is coming, my dear. I hope you will be ready.

[@Fametally]

@Zachary Vargas but only with magic the curse can only exist without it, it wouldn't exist and everything would be alittle more easier. So He is right i:)

[@Dagenspear]

Magic also did all those things. Magic is bad. That's actually very true. As shown at length on this show. Just like bad people can do good things, bad things can do good things.

[@Drace90]

Actually, I meant things like "Time for you to grow up!". You can't tell me, you liked it as a kid, when adults treated you as if you were an unkowing naive baby. And I have really no idea what your last sentence is supposed to mean.

[@Drace90]

I don't see how your comment was just a "harnless commen on KZbin" and mine not. Who's overreacting here.^^ And I actually tried out the show and the books, but I found both extremely boring. (And with every interview I read I like George R. R. Martin a bit less. -.-) I don't know what everybody likes about them.

[@Chadlton]

It really is amazing how well the writing is in Season 1 - 3 and how badly it decreased post Season 3. I mean, you go back and watch Seasons 1 - 3 is the stuff is so good! But 4-7 it just gets worse and worse. Bad plotlines, not enough character development and way to many speeches. I really wonder what was going on BTS with this show in its later years...

[@JabamiLain]

One can only wonder. But hey ! We have fanfiction.

[@PittsburghSportsFan43]

Henry really annoyed me here. Heroes don't help villains. That's what he's asking of them.

[@JabamiLain]

Wrong. Heroes do both, depending on the villain.

[@Cassadinegirlaz]

I really think you are overreacting to what was meant to be a harmless comment on You Tube. And the phrases "sweet summer child" and "Winter is coming" are Games of Thrones references (based on the "Song of Ice and Fire" books). I take it you do not follow either the show or the books. You're missing out, they're great. Peace out.

[@EmpressSilverSky]

I love it, a child has to be the complete mature adult while all the adults get a pass to act like immature children. LOL

[@madisonrowe8428]

An eye for an eye. Regina killed Snows father and Snow killed Reginas mother whom also killed Snows mother. And yet there all related....

[@Awkward_Sheep]

3:11