to be fair, the Mangudai being unfairly good is kind of historically accurate
@Ustaleone11 ай бұрын
Haha. Well said.
@enriquer361211 ай бұрын
Their only defeat came against Mamelukes, it seems that mongol's horses were disgusted by the smell of camels. 😂😂😂
@ariisee11 ай бұрын
@@enriquer3612 It's actually true, in real life, horses ARE disgusted by the smell of camels. So, as horses are "afraid" of camels, Camel units in AoE II counter other Cavalry. I'm writing this partly for people looking at the answers and thinking you joking XD
@AotO_DJ11 ай бұрын
@@ariisee I thought camels won against horses is because they are bigger, stronger and gave their rider the leverage because of the height advantage.
@setaverse11 ай бұрын
To be unfair*
@AS.4711 ай бұрын
Honestly I was expecting to see the Hussite Wagon. Imagine missclicking and wasting resources on that; giving such an unfair advantage to your opponent... Awesome list nonetheless ;)
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Lmaoooo 😂😂
@michaelsorensen543411 ай бұрын
It’s the cobra car… what else could it be?
@Cba40911 ай бұрын
How do I turn this on?
@cannnds11 ай бұрын
@@Cba409 wimpywimpywimpy
@tamaskosa445611 ай бұрын
Yes, once your opponent gets them out on the field they're very hard to deal with!
@WilliamScavengerFish11 ай бұрын
To smithereens
@WilliamScavengerFish11 ай бұрын
The cheat units in AOE were even worse.
@mikelivingood779711 ай бұрын
Mandugai and drill siege units, mandugai have always been S tier and their siege bonus damage puts them over the top.
@TheKobasen11 ай бұрын
Remember when mangudai have 0 frame delay? That was insane, even if you have bad micro. They also have 60HP in castle age, combined with bloodlines you essentially have heavy cavalry archer in castle age.
@saleem299111 ай бұрын
The 0 frame delayed was somewhat compensated by high ping back then.
@smugshrug11 ай бұрын
my guesses are the flaming camel and the petard. i've just got a feeling.
@anaccountmusthaveaname911011 ай бұрын
I think Houfnice feels the most unfair. It's not as versatile on open maps as many on this list, but it's such a frustrating thing to deal with. You see the cannons shapeshift and you know you have lost the game. Especially if it's a closed map and you can't even raid.
@germanpenn11 ай бұрын
True. It's like a long-ranged onager, and it can deal pretty much with anything except perhaps condotierri
@walterwalter-ql1np11 ай бұрын
I strongly disagree with this, the upgrade for the Houfnice costs 1,100 food and 800 gold, not including the cost of Chemistry which is needed as well- That's really expensive for a unit that dies to 23 Arbalester shots. If your opponent can afford to get Houfnices and simultaneously be pushing you hard enough/is turtled well enough that you cannot counter raid, you've simply been losing the match the whole time.
@anaccountmusthaveaname911011 ай бұрын
@@walterwalter-ql1np yeah good luck counter raiding on Arena.
@walterwalter-ql1np11 ай бұрын
@@anaccountmusthaveaname9110 There's literally so many ways to do that, rams onagers, archers etc. Also the longer you wait to raid on Arena the harder it gets since your opponent will start picking up wall and building upgrades which give them more HP- the Bohemians are NOT a fast civ, you should be raiding them first, unless it's a team game and your focus is elsewhere, in which case your team needs to co-ordinate. Still: a mere 24 Arbalester shots kill this extremely expensive late imp unit. Ask yourself a very important question: Why does my opponent have the resources to fund taking the Houfnice upgrade in the first place?
@anaccountmusthaveaname911011 ай бұрын
@@walterwalter-ql1np It is fairly easy to stall an Arena game with a civ like Bohemians and just wait for your power options. The ability to build bombard cannons instantly in imp pretty much denies all early imp pushes. Skilled players are good at playing conservatively with a defensively strong civ.
@doomerquiet190911 ай бұрын
The kamayuk stays my underrated favorite “op” unit. No one expects the kamy bois
@longbow85711 ай бұрын
Not expecting them doesn't make them good tho.
@michaelsorensen543411 ай бұрын
But they are extremely good. They are dominate everything and fabric shields helps them resist range just a little more. Every time I use them it smooth sailing
@opiliones420211 ай бұрын
@@michaelsorensen5434every time, huh?
@reto685911 ай бұрын
I think, Kamayuk is the closest you can get to a "One Unit Kills all unit" in AoE except maybe Mangudai or Berserks. They all only have soft counters and are really good vs a lot of things
@fishcake447311 ай бұрын
The original steppe lancer, also an accurate portrayal of why pikemen formations were op irl lol
@mubashirulmoula179811 ай бұрын
3:28 - Gurjaras. Can't pick the order. Both S.Rider and Chakram are OP as hell.
@amberbethknowles942911 ай бұрын
That’s what I said too
@ondrakolarik88811 ай бұрын
Exactly! Given the fact, that you can also do Kshathrias (or whatever the spelling is), in late game it's unbeatable comp. But, the problem does not stop there... Just think, how do you counter them in castle age, when they can just destroy any archers, raid your eco - not every civ has camels (plus you can add your own) and they outrun anything else (pikes do absolutely nothing, if you micro at minimum)
@Dawnrim11 ай бұрын
The scenario was ‘when they’re on the field’ implying that the cost is not really a factor. So for the top civ combo, I’ll say coustillier followed by 190 pop Flemish Milita (last 10 pop is trebs)
@Endrit71911 ай бұрын
I started beating easily the extreme AI when I started using mangonels, thanks to your videos
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Congrats!
@ohtani202411 ай бұрын
Hera would you like to make a video to rank the most OP units in all historical official versions? Some came to my mind: 1. Korean War Wagon in AOC 1.0, the range was insane 2. Burmese Arambai paired with mangonel crushed everything 3. Cumans Steppe Lancer was once broken 4. Malay Karambit Warrior was like roaches, costed just 10 golds, virtually a high attack trash unit 5. Mangudai with 0 frame delay, even more broken then today?
@Fregler11 ай бұрын
Mangudai and Drill SO what else can it be? Edit: Yup, the kind of units whose only counter is: don't let it happen and I feel Mongols are the only Civ that has two of those. I still remember the dark pre-nerf era...shivers.
@thekween903711 ай бұрын
Mayans are the only other thing like that, I lose to that civ a lot for similar reasons
@88porpoise11 ай бұрын
So for a guess, there has to be Longbows and Mangudai in the top five, and with the "standard, classic" for number three and wirh Drill SO being clearly more unfair than Warwolf Trebs it has to be longbow, Drill SO, and then Mangudai.
@HiyokoSupiritto11 ай бұрын
I still remember how they nerfed the mangudai in HD before, with deleting their bonus against siege, but this turns them into a slightly stronger cavalry archer
@lightman852711 ай бұрын
I think the most unfair, if you can get to it, would be spanish cannon galleon. Not only the projectile is stupid fast, but it also reloads(shoots) faster, and has balistics. Similar reason on why it isn't nerfed, is it takes very long to get to, and water maps are not very popular. I had few games where I could lock down entire area on black forest(out of all the maps) just because I had a small lake, with 3-5 cannon galleys
@dominicmartin888611 ай бұрын
I was about to comment "no mention of Spanish Cannon Galleons?"😂
@daarom347211 ай бұрын
I've won games on FFA/diplo Nomad where I just boomed as Spanish and then tried to get to 100+ Canon Galleons. Then put a few vils in a transport and just surround all shore lines preventing the enemy from building docks. Then just wait for them to resign!
@ComfyDentsАй бұрын
You monster! (while taking notes)@@daarom3472
@shacolin654611 ай бұрын
I thought of Mangudai being up there, but once you mentioned two units of the same civ, I just didn't assumed speed alone was enough to get Siege Onagers that high up. I thought of Ethiopians Arbalest + Siege Onager but then concluded that Ethiopians arbalest's DPS couldn't outweight britons' range.
@DrRobGilles11 ай бұрын
I’m legit shocked Hera didn’t say Aztec monks 😂 Also I think houfnice would have made the list over long boats. Partly because water maps aren’t that popular Also kinda confused that poles didn’t make the list because of how hard they are to get there… but the top 2 picks are strong indeed but arguably the hardest to get to. Especially in combination. Only other unit that is probably harder to get to is probably war elephants
@maushetzer192511 ай бұрын
I'd say the Obuch scares me more than the Polish knight rush as well. No reliable counters in castle age aside from siege. They have about equal durability to arrows per total resource cost as the knights but don't require the castle tech to get there. Best counters are unique units or bohemian early hcs.
@daarom347211 ай бұрын
fully boomed persian with elite war elephants can only be countered by a few specific UU's (Mamlukes, Kamayuks, Genoesee), and even then it's tough.
@albertmolina818611 ай бұрын
expected the conquistador in place of the longboat.... I guess that shows I don't really play water maps :'D
@Phoenix-il5hc11 ай бұрын
I think only civ that can handle Mongol late game is Magyar. Their CA + UU combo are only thing that can match Mangudai + hussar + Siege. I know some people might think of Berbers but in my experience they do fine till early imp or before Drill Siege comes into play so you need to end game before that.
@fallen262411 ай бұрын
I'm gonna guess mangudai and drill onager for number 2 and 1 respectively. Edit: Messed up the order but got the untis correctly. Surprised castle age centurion wasn't on the list or at least honorable mention
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Because its imperial age version is mediocre, only reason
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm7 ай бұрын
No you didn't, Hera messed up the order.
@stardustreverie973711 ай бұрын
3:20 I was thinking about the Chakram Thrower and Shrivamsha Rider.
@tiancheng854911 ай бұрын
Furor Celtica needs buff. Their siege hit point bonus should go back to 50%. Shinkichon should go back to +2 range too.
@tolecovers11 ай бұрын
thanks for the content Hera
@wintersdarkestlight306611 ай бұрын
How about a top 5 worst / more useless (at least in most situations) technology video?
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
I think i made one of those
@ariisee11 ай бұрын
I think SOTL already covered this with all math included.
@Nomatterwhat6911 ай бұрын
Top 5 most unfair units: -Mongols scouts in dark age laming you -Mongols eco for a scout rush -Mongols steppe lancers with FC and +18 HP -Mangudais -Drill siege
@lathamtk11 ай бұрын
I knew Mangudai had to be SOMEWHERE on that list and since you said the last 2 belong to the same civ, I knew exactly what was coming :)
@CaptainThemerica11 ай бұрын
I’m shocked the monk didn’t make the list.
@El3andro11 ай бұрын
I think the Korean SO with more range is also very strong. I would have expected rather this than the Mongolian one. However, with a bit of micro you can outmicro the longer range with the speed
@Gunsbeerfreedom8711 ай бұрын
I figured it'd be the Mongol Lancer in #2, not the SO, just because getting to SO is time consuming and costly.
@QuintemTA11 ай бұрын
It's a if they get it, you're doomed. SO on it's own is silly, whenever I manage to get them in a ranked match and my opponent does not have access to bombards, it feels disgusting. That much worse when it's 50% faster SO.
@Gunsbeerfreedom8711 ай бұрын
@@QuintemTA Personally I rarely go for SO, but I'm just a 900 scrub with egregious mangonel/onager micro. Mongol scorpions are very underrated though IMO.
@QuintemTA11 ай бұрын
@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 Keep practising. They're great at ruining archer civs without bombards day. I'm just 1150ish ELO and even people are my rank don't dodge the shots all that well. As for Mongol scorpions, I don't know their speed would be slightly faster than an archer, why would you make them over mangudai? You'd need a castle for the tech anyway, might as well make mangudai at that point. Maybe there is a niche for it. Opponent makes lots of skirmishers and you don't want friendly fire of onagers. But then you've got decent hussar to deal with skirmishers.
@mertkaan80211 ай бұрын
This video also could be called, "the best civ for Michi/AmazonTunnel/BF"
@harold599711 ай бұрын
yeah poles cav especially late game hussars are pretty much made for this list :D
@Kawabongahlive11 ай бұрын
Ok I was wrong 11. For another top 5 ideas how about "top 5 unit duo combos" like Cataphract + Skirm or Huskarl + Halb, Plumed Archer + Eagle, etc. Power couples
@tiancheng854911 ай бұрын
longboat should require war galley upgrade. Same to other unique water units, but they can probably use a little bit of buff
@lolaldanee274311 ай бұрын
amn, so close mangudai nr 1 was obvious, but i went with steplancer for nr 2
@livsnjutarennr264911 ай бұрын
I am glad the Poles received a cavelry bonus since they stand for the greatest cavelry chrge in history
@hareshneeraj99811 ай бұрын
Guesses for 1 and 2 at 3:37 - Shrivamsha riders and chakram throwers.
@aspirenux8599Ай бұрын
Mangudai is the first one which come into my mind ...
@randmacfarlane145611 ай бұрын
I think mamalukes should be on this list they also shred everything and feel completely broken vs a lot of civs.
@SepticIndia11 ай бұрын
Longbowman : Unfair unit Siege Ram: I'm about to destroy this guy's entire civilization.
@wandraak585 ай бұрын
fun trick is to use siege tower there instead - its much faster than Ram and can even take more arrows - you save on ram upgrades
@ProfeSeb11 ай бұрын
I was expecting conquistadores to be on the list
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
after nerf they are still strong but not OP
@Jack1Wilians11 ай бұрын
I think your missing Shrivamsha Rider, even if the eagle warrior as 8 peirce armour 100 hp, because the rider has the shield that regens, he can raid the economy endlessly sometimes without taking damage, they also counter most of the "unfair units" that you put here
@pianospeedrun11 ай бұрын
grujaras feel so op to mee, their ranged castle guy is so strong as soon as you get a few going, great camels, the shrivamsha... maybe they got nerfed since last time i played but at their launch the whole faction felt unfair
@Progeusz11 ай бұрын
i was surprised it wasn't Shrivamshas or Monks but your choices make perfect sense
@butterflyspinart11 ай бұрын
I also think a honorable mention to teuton castles, especially when you're on islands and stuck with a civ without cannon galleon
@alexmanzer575611 ай бұрын
Bit surprised conqs didn’t get an honourable mention.
@0captain0111 ай бұрын
Man... I was thinking about the frisbee boys!😂
@tetrislunatic429011 ай бұрын
I go with the double guess 🙈 Either Mangudai and SL or Conqs and Missionary
@majike035511 ай бұрын
I was half-expecting to see Cataphrekts. Love those guys!
@ronaldrage211811 ай бұрын
Guess: bohemian houfnice+food monks Edit: but ofc! I'd honestly swap mongol SO with ram tbh, unless it's michi or bf.
@evanjacob846311 ай бұрын
@Hera make a top 5 of units or civs that need to be buffed.
@ariisee11 ай бұрын
You've missed a unit. Mass Khmer Scorpions are incredible, and the only way to deal with them is by going Onagers/Bombard Cannons. The Scorpions are cheap, and I've played an unranked game on Michi once (I'm a noob, in 1v1s I have around 1k ELO, maybe a bit more), 1v1, Portuguese vs Khmers. When I treecutted and flooded my enemy with 140 Cavaliers+Light Cavalry I destroyed 75% of his base. Then he stopped me, and when I threw another 60 Light Cavalry (with Feitorias I can do stuff like that), he destroyed it in seconds. After rewatching the game (I resigned because it was getting long and I had to go) I discovered that he made like 15 Siege Workshops quickly enough to train 100 Heavy Scorpions. It's uncounterable without Bombard Cannons. The only good thing is the enemy can't push your castles with Scorpions, but they kill all cavalry, infantry and archers. If you've placed Mongols Siege Onager on the list that's only countered by Bombard Cannons, you should do the same with Khmer Heavy Scorpions.
@09kaustubh11 ай бұрын
Korean war wagons and turtle ships. Let's see if I got it right.
@BelialTnTn11 ай бұрын
At first I thought "maybe Gurjaras?" but I was quickly reminded by the video that Siege Onagers haven't been mentioned yet so I got it right.
@exeonx656111 ай бұрын
Definitely agree with #1, it's basically a counter to most deathballs out there. I do think you are missing houfnice here, yes not that impressive on say arabia, but any closed map it feels so bad going up against houfnice.
@NivMizzet8911 ай бұрын
Petition to just call the Dravidian ship Terry and solve all issues.
@fornoRaisin11 ай бұрын
fully upgraded tartar trebuchets on high ground are cool.
@pwelsh650111 ай бұрын
The juiced Bombard cannons and the charge horse
@louisstemler500411 ай бұрын
Hi Hera, what do you think is better? Fully upgraded Mayan Eagle or fully upgraded Aztec's one?
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Mayans and its not even close
@louisstemler500411 ай бұрын
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 thanks for answering 🥰
@giangargo66911 ай бұрын
i would have guessed the bengali monk or the shivramsha would have gotten on the list, the gurjara siege ele in castle it's also insane, 4 of them make a castle disappear almost as fast as 4 siege ram with siege engeneer, min 18!!
@bananan711 ай бұрын
Gotta be Bohemians Houfnice and Wagons are really hard to counter late game
@resiliencewithin11 ай бұрын
I thought about it but monks and hussars can push them good
@PF650T11 ай бұрын
surprised to see that cataphracts didn't get included
@luciangrand194311 ай бұрын
Drill is an insane tech. It's like Redemption: it takes away a weakness of a powerful unit.
@niks2584yt11 ай бұрын
aah! I had guessed Shrivamsha at #2 and Chakrams at #1.. but your selections make more sense!!
@Yassir83311 ай бұрын
Top 5 best combos in the game My best one is longbow man + Halberdier + trebs with Britons
@Yearofthebows2411 ай бұрын
I was shocked Huskarals didn't even make honorable mention, but totally agree with this list
@quaweds11 ай бұрын
Im lower ranked but im tried mangudai a few times and I just get shredded by romans, I actually really thought Centurion was going to be number 1. I even switched and easily then won with Centurion next game.
@thegrapist77711 ай бұрын
I can already tell #1&2 are the Shelby AC Cobra and Furious the Monkey Boy from the good ol' USA 😁
@iliyas0075 ай бұрын
Husseit wagons and upgraded bombard canon for Bohemians
@hansoskar191111 ай бұрын
Mangudai and Drill SO. maybe Siege Ram. but Hera hates Rams so its propably SO.
@cisaacson71317 ай бұрын
Idea for a video. Top 5 team game civ combos.
@rdeez597411 ай бұрын
My guess for 2 units from same civ would be Gujaras: Shrivamsha Rider and hoops throwers
@kousthubkaivar418410 ай бұрын
I was expecting Elephant Archers to be on this list, cause if you can mass 40+ elephant archers they're nearly unstoppable unless someone gets mass SOs themselves
@buffalosoulja366611 ай бұрын
When he said two from the same Civ I thought Conqs and Missionaries. 😂 Bengalis FU Ele Archer are worth a mention. They are trading cost effective vs Skirms atm
@gElectroniks11 ай бұрын
hey, nice review. I kinda agree with all units you described, stil i got to mention something. the mangudai is indeed very hard to counter in general, so is the longbowman. But that only applies in general, not to some unique particular civs. The eagle and the huskarl easily counters the longbowman, for example, and the berber camel archer makes short work of any number of mangudai if they are at least half or more stacked than the mangudai number. :D
@livsnjutarennr264911 ай бұрын
I have been playing Italians a lot recently so my guess is their unigue units. Super fun civ to play
@andrewstanford407121 күн бұрын
i was thinking either mangudai, extra hp hussar. or mangudai, drill siege
@onikoneko11 ай бұрын
Note that the Portugese Caravel is the perfect counter to groups of longboats, it just melts them. Plus camel archers and genitours will steamroll mangudai, but this is all really civ specific
@Progeusz11 ай бұрын
nah, genitours can lose to Mangudai and easily get outran too. They also die to every other unit Mongols make
@nilayvyas66811 ай бұрын
How about the Top 5 Civs in Post Imperial? Maybe break it out by maps category or specific maps, like open, closed, semi-open, and water or Arabia, Arena, Enclosed (not sure about what you would consider to be semi-open) and Islands.
@xavierpironier5911 ай бұрын
Mass houfnice and wagons would be my guess for 1 and 2... Tbf tho, spanish ch and spanish paladin could be up there as well... Or lithuanian leitis + skirm or so...
@agustinfranco06 ай бұрын
i thought Missionary and Conquistador, just the 2 that came to mind for the same civ lol
@niki828011 ай бұрын
The most unfair units are 5. Viper meme units. The dude made xolotls look unstoppable on RF 4. Hera vills under pressure. They spawn so quickly, find unlimited farming space and it's impossible to kill them all 3. MBL so 2. Hoang TC eaters 1. Mangudai (No further explanation required)
@chaos_dwarf11 ай бұрын
I think Leitis with a few relics can be a complete terror, they can even melt pikes and camels, busted dps. Unless you've massed archers, with some meat shield in front already, the leiciai rip through everything. 4-relic ones can even 2 shot villagers!
@nicolasguinot400711 ай бұрын
Leitis are so strong right now, they should nerf their base melee attack especially in castle age
@hjluke480711 ай бұрын
Mangudai is the greatest unit of all time- I will literally not play aoe2 anymore if they nerf them.
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
They wont get nerfed for a while i think
@Glaciatio11 ай бұрын
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 i will quit if they're nerfed tbh, mongols win rate isn't absurd
@doguhanaktas126211 ай бұрын
I also expected Hindustanis HC, Bohemian houfnice, Celts scorps+ halb, Bohemian flemish revolution
@mrclock486111 ай бұрын
In mid ELO, the Huskarl should be way up the list. It is so cheap and destroys any archer built that is not executed perfectly. And since Huskarls are available in Castle Age (unlike Eldorado elite Eagles), the typical mid ELO player cannot do anything to prevent it's economy getting raided to oblivion, because longswords men will not be out on the field fast enough (also the Goths player will simple mix in its own ridiculously cheap longswords men as well).
@konradkuaj7911 ай бұрын
I’d guess it would be 2. Siege onager with mongol tech and 1. Magundai
@aplaceofevil11 ай бұрын
You mention the only counter to Mangudai is the skirmisher which is fair since that's a unit everyone can get. But how do you think the camel archer stacks up against them though?
@CrnaStrela11 ай бұрын
They won decisively, it's just composition wise, Berbers would still lose thanks to drill SO.
@BlueShellshock11 ай бұрын
Yeah, saw #1 coming. It's not just the unit itself, it's everything that surrounds it too. An excellent trash to frontline for them, plus the potential to mix in #2, it's just... you can counter part of the comp, but not the entire thing. You can never catch #1 even when all the Hussar die, whereas they will happily cause the enemy to lose gold even in a fight they 'won'. It takes specific units like Genoese Crossbows or Camel Archers, and even then, if #2 shows up, I have seen them turn the situation around anyways.
@nikolaikolev783311 ай бұрын
When I heard about n1 and 2 I immediately thought Mongol. I mean what can beat Mangudai.
@ThatGuanfranco11 ай бұрын
Great list as usual
@ebaadansari672811 ай бұрын
The Shawarma riders with the extra armour kind of seems broken to me. The only unit that literally takes zero damage under the right conditions. their speed is another added bonus
@enriquer361211 ай бұрын
Hahahahahaha, "Shawarma" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@EliasHasle11 ай бұрын
@@enriquer3612 It's Sriracha! 😁
@jerer688511 ай бұрын
First mangodai second drill so Edit: Called it but I have to say korean so are so underrated. The extra Distance just feels unnatural
@stuartmacaulay576111 ай бұрын
The Korean bonus of no minimum range is even better. If you have wagons you can also move them together constantly in a far and near waypoint, basically making them invisible or impossible to target 😅 like Mongols, the issue is reaching that stage
@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi11 ай бұрын
Monks... hate monks
@alfredeinstein11511 ай бұрын
3:45: my eco management (symbolic image)
@Unkuttarace10 ай бұрын
Love your videos, hope i'll be good as you one day, xoxo from switzerland
@garymckeon541011 ай бұрын
monks when yo is in charge of them :)
@couchpotatoe9111 ай бұрын
My guess is torsion engine siege onagers and mangudai aka the mongol deathball.
@tomtenthij567611 ай бұрын
Great Video Heraaa!!!!!!!!
@rubywest516611 ай бұрын
It was either gonna be Gurjara Imp camel + Shrivamsha riders or Mongol SO+Mangudai Either of those would be the fuckiest fuckers to fight... Thought it would be Gurjaras when Two units from the same civ were mentioned, but going in my #1 thought was Mangudai
@1776huckleberry11 ай бұрын
my guess is roman units, the cav unit and the onager boat.