Here’s Why Having a Ranger Tab Could Be the Biggest Mistake You Bring to SFAS.

[@parawill7074]

It's very simple, but many troops don't understand this. Going to SFAS is an interview for a job. It is not a school. You aren't there to "challenge" yourself or get a tab just to go right back to your unit doing the same job you were doing before. When you make the decision that you want to be an SF Operator, you make that priority #1 over everything else. You put all your work into preparing for SFAS and going as soon as you are ready (Follow the prep guide the recruiters give you). You attend Ranger or Sapper schools during the regular course of your career PRIOR to making the decision to attend SFAS in order to be a team guy. Once you go to that SF briefing (if they still do it), you get locked in and put your best foot forward. Once again, SFAS is a job interview to get selected for a specialized job. Ranger and Sapper courses aren't worth risking your chances of getting selected. You need to eat and sleep SFAS, and then stay hungry to get through SFQC.

[@jojoserrano8562]

I’m in the national guard I get shipped out this coming up Monday, there’s a program called RTLI where they’ll send you to ranger than airborne, and once home they put you into a training unit with 19th or 20th SFG till your ready to go to SFAS

[@OG_Trouble]

Sounds cool

[@billyjacc]

40th ID @ Los Al?

[@harry554]

Dude thank you I am trying the same route I never heard of rtli. I looked it up sans I didn’t see anything about sfas afterwards

[@c4sualgmer]

are you 18X?

[@vsupreme9386]

​@@c4sualgmer18X doesn't send you to ranger school

[@rubyjunior2963]

As someone who as been to both Ranger school and Q course. I attended Ranger school as an 11B because I wanted to be a better Infantryman and mentor for my younger soldiers. Having been an 11B for a while Ranger school didn’t teach tactics it was more of a gut check. The one thing I learned in Ranger school was how to suck and keep moving forward. I learned where my physical limits were and how to overcome them. This lesson isn’t in the POI but a great life lesson. Having gone to Ranger school at the age of 30, my body took a beating and it took me about 4 months to feel better again with working with Physical Therapist and Chiropractic care. I went to SFAS two years after Ranger school, my body had healed by then. I didn’t wait that long because of injuries. I just enjoyed being an 11B. SFAS, I felt was easier mentally because I had already put my body and mind in hard situations so it wasn’t the first time I had to be tested like this. SFAS gates were like a harder and longer RAP week. I agree, having a Ranger Tab and being a SSG made SFAS and the q course different expectations were higher. In some cases like SUT it made things easier, because the foundations of tactics were already known but like my cadre said, “I’m not grading you on how well these patrols go, I want to see how you help and train the younger guys in your squad” To the overall point of going to Ranger School prior to SFAS. It comes down to what are your overall goals and timeline. What’s your 25m target? If being a GB is your priority goals then I would recommend not going to Ranger school prior to SFAS for risk of injury and making a 1 year goal turn into a 5 year goal. If you’re unsure about what you want to do and you have time and are young. Then I’d say give Ranger school a try, learn what you can and after you tested your body and mind and you feel like you are ready for the next step then attend a SOF selection. Either way avoid, doing things that will cause injuries. Being a cadre for the q course I’ve seen to many guys go out of training after getting hurt doing something on their off time.

[@kingpat2948]

Thank you for this piece of information

[@geoffsmith76]

Great info😮

[@mc.9839]

I remember one of my first days in SFAS in 2001. They asked all the infantry guys to raise our hands. They told us we had a better chance than non-infantry guys of being selected. They then asked us to raise our hands if we had a Ranger tab. They told those of us who raised our hand that we statistically have the best chance of being selected. Again that was in 2001 but the numbers were that those of us who were tabbed had a better chance and it seemed to play out that way as well.

[@JacksonFive-rj3so]

Listen to this advice!!!! Former 11B here, got injured during RS, SFAS was out of the picture after that injury. Get the long tab first! Ranger school is not a leadership school, its a smoke fest ... even the tactics they teach you are not applicable to SFAS..Again, Listen to this guy!

[@kingpat2948]

That’s unfortunate. Did u get your ranger tab?

[@JacksonFive-rj3so]

@@kingpat2948 unfortunately I didn't bro. Got injured, ended up transitioning to the reserves and going to college. But I definitely wanted it, but its life. Thats why I'd listen to this guy, if you have hopes of going to SFAS then skip Ranger school .. you can always get it once you get to an ODA. Ranger school is designed to break you down. Get after it 🤙🏽

[@cm-pr2ys]

I could see Ranger School being a good thing to have if you want to be an 18B, or Sapper a good thing to have if you want to be an 18E, etc.

[@davidmaes9281]

@@cm-pr2ys part of the importance is knowing how to plan and conduct missions, task organization and infantry/fighting skills. It’s important for every green beret to know as the Q course gives a watered down version of Ranger school. Many graduate from the q course yet couldn’t plan a mission properly. Going to Ranger school before allows your team sergeant to know right away what he has to work with.

[@cm-pr2ys]

@davidmaes9281 totally makes sense to me. Matter of fact, I don't see how a force that is supposed to advise others on how to fight isn't required to have graduated from one of the finest light infantry schools in the world. Shoot, eib should probably be mandatory as well of you're gonna go teach- efmb for 18d. I understand why Green Berets might not wanna go to yet another school, but hey, the school/ badge exists for a reason too.

[@elvisacosta6666]

In my humble opinion, it depends if you’re going back to back Ranger school to SFAS, then the possibilities of you getting injured is greater. However, if you’ve been tabbed for a couple years, and then go to selection, you won’t have a problem. In fact, in one of the links that I uploaded in a prior comment on SFAS in that survey conducted by the school house said that guys with the Ranger tab normally got selected.

[@Jupiterxice]

I completely disagree with you on this if you have Ranger tab you're already a leg up in most cases then anyone from SFAS.

[@marcoosvald8429]

You didn't hear the part about injuries did you. You had already predetermined your choice. Listen better next time. It doesn't give you a leg up on anything except small unit tactics which is a miniscule part of the course down the road.

[@Jupiterxice]

@@marcoosvald8429 I did listen butter cup now depending individual if he took a rest period of months before he goes to SFAS then depending on person would have a leg up.

[@southsidecaddy]

Yeah doing intensive training right before doing more intensive training is never a good idea. Costs out way the benefits. Plus what are you going to get in ranger school​ that you're not going to get going through the SF pipeline? @@Jupiterxice

[@Jupiterxice]

@@southsidecaddy Like its each is own pathway.

[@southsidecaddy]

@@Jupiterxice that doesn't answer my question

[@parawill7074]

Everything he is addressing in the video is based around the premise that an individual has decided to attend SFAS to become a Green Beret. The decision has been made and that is what they are prepping to accomplish, but then one of their leaders offers them a Ranger or Sapper slot just before SFAS. Well, here is the reality of attending Ranger School that I think wasn't addressed by the MSG, you have to be prepared to be at Ranger School for 2-6 months. Yes, you could very well get rolled back to another class for failing a graded exercise or suffer an injury during one of the phases, and you have to stay because coming back without that tab isn't an option (I've seen guys stay there for months). It is a major risk if your plan is to become an SF Operator and that is why you don't deviate from your plan for attending SFAS just to attend a school that you can go to after taking care of business becoming an SF Operator. If you don't have your tab after making up your mind to attend SFAS, you put it on the backburner and get that Green Beret first.

[@kdtune33]

You're one mofukin badass if you can go to RS then straight to SFAS then straight to SFQC, if your ass is alive on the other side, expect a bump up of at least 2 ranks and your pick of duty station along with more perks.

[@corya3189]

That’s the advice prior Delta guy told me. It made sense.

[@12345678971926]

He’s right even myself I thought I was hot shit as hell and boy did I get a reality check real fast he’s not lying to you

[@brianlysek]

My 11B time was 96-98 with the 187th. If you wanted to attend Ranger School, you were expected to already know everything, before even attending division Pre-Ranger. If you were new to the unit, the Ranger Handbook became "Your new Bible." Airborne School was the trophy for graduating Ranger. One more quote, "Ranger School is like getting your EIB in Hell times ten."

[@CarlosPerez-em3wu]

If I had a son and he wanted to do this I would definitely give him this advice.

[@bcurobinson]

Big fan of your Volvo rant, but minor critique: I would cut back on the noises of the graphics popping in and out of the video. They become distracting

[@Exitstrategies1]

Didn’t bring up all the X-rays who couldn’t wait to dog walk all the pre existing tabs. There’s a reason they wait out on the balcony as the busses showed up for prior service drop off. Notes were always taken when the patches were coming off.

[@12345678971926]

All the Ranger tab means your Ranger qualified unless you got a scroll you’re not a true ranger

[@tomwalker389]

6:34 Nobody goes to Ranger School after getting that Green Beret. LOL

[@JacksonFive-rj3so]

Facts

[@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

I heard a dude who got dropped from his oda because he refused to go to ranger school after getting his green beret

[@tomwalker389]

I always find it weird that every intake of Ranger School has a few Marines who want the qualification. Like why. You can’t wear the Tab and it doesn't do much for your career path anyways.

[@chrisjimenez8201]

Hey Jay, does this hold true for an officer? I am trying to go Army OCS into the Infantry with the end goal of going into SFAS. But from what I know you won’t be respected on the officer side if you don’t got the tab.

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Completely different for officer. But again it before SFAS

[@stlconsulting8462]

With all do respect it would be a career killer to show up to a light infantry unit without a tab. Ranger Tab is a great backup for an officer especially if you don’t make it through selection. You could easily go down the street to the 82nd then come back to selection.

[@stlconsulting8462]

@@JacksonFive-rj3so The guy was asking about officers and Ranger Tabs in the infantry branch. Officers have to spend 3 years in before they can attempt SFAS. He will be conventional until then.

[@derekbrown2988]

The only benefit of going to Ranger school first is if you don’t have any patrolling experience. You hit the Q-Course with no patrolling experience and you’re fucked. Other than that you’re right. Getting recycled a shit ton of times at Ranger school will fuck up the cartilage in your knees and once that’s gone your career is over. Plus you can go to Ranger school at group pretty easily.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@Green Beret Chronicles, what if they attend Ranger School, than go into the Regiment for a year or so, before going to SFAS? This way, they can heal up, before Selection.

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

That’s a different story and would absolutely work

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@GreenBeretChronicles I WOULDN'T DREAM of going from one school, straight into the other. The physical shape Ranger School grads are in is terrible. Like you said, they'd run themselves into the ground, and wear themselves down like a piece of chalk on the sidewalk. Thanks for answering me, by the way, and I love your channel.

[@jhunt6862]

You’re not gonna heal in Regiment dude

[@Kq4hcuDan]

If i was younger id get the sapper tab, and i wouldn't be interested in going to SF selection. I would do sapper and infantry, do the required time then get out, transfer to Navy to go Seabee to become a equipment operator😂

[@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Infantry guys don't really go sapper dude, it's ranger school for combat engineers

[@Kq4hcuDan]

@@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz yes but my understanding they allow volunteers attend SAPPER school. It isn't solely for Rangers that's retarded.

[@505thpir]

82nd pushes ranger and jumpmaster school hard!! But remember, as far as SFAS AND RANGER school goes,1 is a sprint, and 1 is a marathon

[@MDLamb80]

We talking Ranger school or RASP?

[@stormybil]

Not rasp.. ( he is talking about the tab, not the scroll)

[@MrAwak3]

Do you think the Army has a better infantry than the Marines. I was lucky to trains with some Marine FAST company in Bahrain 10 years ago and these guys were PRO’s at everything. E2’s and E3’s that make swat teams look like jokes. Granted all they did was drill and PT all day. Regardless I was very impressed….

[@JacksonFive-rj3so]

Marine/Army Grunts have similar tactics.. both did their fair share during GWOT. Marines are more amphibious focused but both can take an objective.

[@raidzmann4716]

I served in the Infantry in both the Army and the Marines. Not to stroke the marine’s cock but an Marine infantry squad will smoke the dog shit out of a whole Army infantry platoon, the tactics are completely different. Marines dont fight fair, if there is 2 enemies they send 5, if there are 30 enemies they send 50 marines. While the army is so stuck on being by the book . Their tactics have remained the same for a long time while the marine corps learned and improvised from their mistakes from previous engagements.

[@Jeremy-ul3it]

Army infantry are the original og's. They've been around the longest. But they both can stack bodies and get plenty of trigger time.

[@JacksonFive-rj3so]

@@Jeremy-ul3it facts 🤙🏽

[@bobbybabsonjr787]

I have a Beer Tab , selection was brutal but I made it , trained with the best Hooah😆

[@veteransowhat5669]

ByI was in airborne and this dude wore a ranger tab, how could be? He ended up getting took out on a stretcher from airborne....?your mind can get burned out, and other people are going to start saying things "no man, My feet are F'ed up," Many people say ranger school helps leadership as you take turns controlling the platoon.....no body wheres any tabs or ranks during SF selection......

[@rickeycoats1790]

Airborne school is not a requirement for Ranger school.

[@veteransowhat5669]

@@rickeycoats1790 Yes but they do jumps in parts of Ranger school.

[@veteransowhat5669]

"I want to be a airborne ranger live a life of sex and danger!"

[@veteransowhat5669]

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[@rickeycoats1790]

@@veteransowhat5669 ‘Leg Rangers’ just don’t do the jumps.

[@marcoosvald8429]

TRUTH

[@rickhall517930]

What is Sacrifice School?

[@davidmaes9281]

I would completely disagree. It makes me assume you didn’t go to Ranger school.

[@ivanvargas7893]

he said he ain’t go but he does have a sapper tab

[@Odub2323]

@@ivanvargas7893 kzbin.infoqE7W3AVr7po?si=k3l9SkEv8gpZVrlg

[@Jupiterxice]

I agree with you on that, because having the tab depending on the person its a 30 day walk.

[@dremac33]

He actually had a previous video where he explained the schools he attended and failed. He did attend Ranger school

[@FMD023]

I agree with him. Ranger school is a leadership school but it’s mainly hard physically. Definitely not smart to go to Ranger school which is 2 months correct me if I’m wrong? You can graduate Ranger school and still be a private or e4. You should just go to an SF recruiter and ask them to do log pt with them in the mornings with the permission of your line unit. I got a question. What does a sapper do and how long is the school? What extra skills do u learn being a sapper? Also what’s your take on today’s SF force? Sgt major od the army said that 50% of green berets now come from the 18x program. It’s good that guys off the street come prepared and can make it but on the flip side that combat experience will be lacking.

[@jacobferrell5983]

What if you drop a selection packet while in Ranget Battalion 😂

[@barry2949]

No, not necessarily..

[@almorrow9345]

GBC: Wouldn't the rucking/land navigation within ranger school be a transferable skill? Doing Ranger/Sapper, then jumping right into SFAS seems not ideal. Is there a timeframe between courses two difficult course where it may make sense? I recall (from someone that attended Ranger school), that SERE seemed to follow relatively shortly afterwards.

[@cyber_crypto]

75th Regiment, Rangers Lead the MF Way.

[@rolandomartin6910]

Bro go by the tab at the PX in the civilian world no cares if you have a tab or do have a tab it’s not going to get you a million dollar job

[@d-bag1759]

I didn’t learn shit in ranger school. Don’t even remember much. Its just a suck fest.

[@rashad6459]

I went to Ranger School before SFAS and I used it as my RE factor 1. Every school after was + or - that RE factor. But I did go to Ranger school before going SF was even a thought to me😂😂

[@reggieringgoldjr68]

🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾🫡

[@Quesoverga]

I wish I left Amy back in '01 with medical and foraging knowledge. Oh I mean the ARMY. Im sure there was an Amy........ I was all about and still am about my fellow Americans. I went 19 delta in garrison time... womp womp womp......

[@12345678971926]

All the Ranger tab means your Ranger qualified unless you got a scroll you’re not a true ranger

[@gray334]

tab or scroll they still went to hell and back.

[@madebyvirgo2666]

So if you have the scroll and not the tab does that mean you’re not a 100% ranger

[@12345678971926]

@@madebyvirgo2666 here’s a fun fact if you just got a tab, you will not be allowed to join battalion that some of the education I got as a young member just starting my career

[@12345678971926]

@@gray334 how about the female soldiers that got tabs? We all know how that turned out I have a few friends there who are instructors they were given kid gloves yeah Ranger school quality went down at that time in my book not going to lie I have a scroll and tab now back to what my brother said is true about waste your time going to Ranger school and then go SF. He is the one honest individual.

[@12345678971926]

@@gray334 before I forget, don’t you ever compare Rangers selection program and Ranger school they do not compare. They’re not the same Ranger School is shorter than rasp back in my day it was called rip rip was a very brutal program. Rasp is a gentler program their boat almost as bad the same equally the same the differences rip you will get smacked