Duty and Dishonor: The Marine's Revelation of Task Unit Bruiser

[@rdykes4]

anyone who says you both are just disgruntled Vets, is either brainwashed or has a bad moral compass as well. Thank you both for speaking truth and uncovering corruption. Semper Fi

[@Gangsta1168]

War is a Racket.. 💵💵💯💯

[@Gangsta1168]

@@johnnyfamous so much for home of the brave and land of the free.. 😂😂😂

[@Gangsta1168]

@@johnnyfamous your moma said she didn't know who's your daddy.. 😂😂😂

[@ThanksforcensoringmeYoutube]

@@Gangsta1168 apparently these people have never heard of Smedley Butler. Not a surprise, but definitely a shame.

[@ThanksforcensoringmeYoutube]

@@johnnyfamous sounds like you just care too much about a YT comment, g. God bless!

[@Grizzly39]

I was a PSG with an Army Battalion in Ramadi 2006-2007. We worked with a SEAL team, conducting missions together. We got ambushed by bad guys and the SEALs bounced. They took off when my Platoon was out in the city under fire. We fought our way out with Specter, and thank hod we didn’t lose anyone that night. I was not impressed with the Seals.

[@mmeeozzzaaa3421]

Makes things much more dangerous for other Marines and US personnel.

[@MuhammedAL-Chad-nz4jx]

"bad guys" You Were Attacked By Other american Soldiers? 😂😂😂

[@sl9673]

What is a specter?

[@Grizzly39]

@@sl9673 AC130 Gun Ship

[@arym1108]

@@sl9673 think cargo plane with a howitzer a mini gun and an almost howitzer. its like the most american form of CAS thats NOT called a10 warthog

[@N3wbMa5t3r]

Medal of Honor recipient (Posthumously awarded)John A. Chapman is a shining example of this… He was an AF CCT that was attached to a SEAL team. He took out several enemy combatants and was left to die by the SEALs who Exfil’d and left him to die. He fought by himself for over an hour and called in air strikes danger close (and on himself) to take the insurgents out. It is the only recorded MoH action and you can watch it on KZbin… You can also get his book, it’s heartbreaking that they left him to die and ran with their flippers tucked between their legs.

[@lifeabovetreeline]

They need to have Jocko on or Jocko have them on. If one party declines we know the truth. If they both agree we can finally hear the truth. But Jocko deleting comments is sus

[@heatherbuchanan5001]

Jocko recently addressed these accusations.

[@lifeabovetreeline]

@@heatherbuchanan5001 I’m well aware. But the above statement still rings true

[@raymoncism]

@@heatherbuchanan5001Not very well though. And he’s deleting comments left and right

[@scguy7442]

@@heatherbuchanan5001to be clear, Jocko didn’t address THESE allegations, he addressed a previous podcast put out by GB Chronicles on the same topic. This podcast came out after Jocko’s initial reply.

[@archiij1707]

Angry podcast offered & so did Jay and Eric deming.

[@zeck8541]

The Naval Special Bookfare community isn’t going to like this.

[@michaelr5606]

😂

[@ericm425]

Nope but a lot of the SEALs aren't a fan of the for profit book writing & podcasts. Most don't love the fame chasers

[@zeck8541]

@@ericm425 and a lot of Muslims don’t like vest bombers but they don’t say anything about it to stop it. Just saying.

[@UltFemWarrior]

Maybe cause they don't know how to do it themselves, more than sure its jealously to some extent ​@@ericm425

[@Cat0840]

Become a Seal serve for one year, then write a book or get a movie deal.

[@CALpopOG]

As an 0331 and fellow AMGLC graduate that deployed to Al-Anbar in 2007. I have heard similar stories to this for years. I appreciate you giving these men a platform.

[@christopherdooley9893]

What's AMGLC?

[@Mary-dc6js]

I think that's the acronym for the advanced machine gun leaders course. I went to Infantry Assaultman leaders course. Every infantry MOS has an advanced leadership course run out of SOI east or west, they're great schools that teach you a lot, can't remember it's been years and I didn't stay in but I think you have to have that to grt staff sergeant or at the least helps you. Non infantry usually go to corporal and/or sergeants couese

[@awmerriam4]

​@Mary-dc6js you are correct

[@spojce9]

thanks for your corroboration via hearsay in an anonymous post

[@JuiceOg0311]

@@Mary-dc6jsWhat was your MOS?

[@gravfielddrive]

Sounds more like task force "Pigeon". They flew in, knocked over the chess pieces, shit all over the battle space, strutted around like they won, then flew away.

[@fredred5037]

And got rich off telling that story

[@voodooviking1230]

Silver Star AWARDED FOR ACTIONS DURING Global War on Terror Service: Navy GENERAL ORDERS: CITATION: The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Lieutenant John Willink, United States Navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action against the enemy while serving as Commander, Task Unit-RAMADI assigned to Naval Special Warfare Task Group-ARABIAN PENINSULA, in direct support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM from 7 April to 21 October 2006. Lieutenant Willink demonstrated exceptional leadership, operational vision, and courage under fire in the battle for Ramadi. He conceived and executed a brilliant plan aligning SEALs with American and Iraqi Army units to train and combat advise them, taking the fight to the enemy in their historical safe havens. Lieutenant Willink spearheaded battalion-sized missions, leading his forces in a high intensity and bloody urban warfare, to emplace six combat outposts in Ramadi, in a highly successful clear and hold campaign. His unit conducted more than 200 sniper overwatch, raids, and clearance operations to account for more than 200 enemies eliminated and more than 200 captured. Additionally, he aggressively expanded the human intelligence network in Western Iraq and employed civil affairs to gain cooperation from the local tribes in building the Iraqi Police Force and taking back Ramadi from the insurgents. By his bold leadership, courageous actions, and total dedication to duty, Lieutenant Willink reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions to the United States Naval Service. Funny thing is, Eric Deming has no citations.

[@voodooviking1230]

Silver Star AWARDED FOR ACTIONS DURING Global War on Terror Service: Navy GENERAL ORDERS: CITATION: The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star to Lieutenant John Willink, United States Navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action against the enemy while serving as Commander, Task Unit-RAMADI assigned to Naval Special Warfare Task Group-ARABIAN PENINSULA, in direct support of Operation IRAQI FREEDOM from 7 April to 21 October 2006. Lieutenant Willink demonstrated exceptional leadership, operational vision, and courage under fire in the battle for Ramadi. He conceived and executed a brilliant plan aligning SEALs with American and Iraqi Army units to train and combat advise them, taking the fight to the enemy in their historical safe havens. Lieutenant Willink spearheaded battalion-sized missions, leading his forces in a high intensity and bloody urban warfare, to emplace six combat outposts in Ramadi, in a highly successful clear and hold campaign. His unit conducted more than 200 sniper overwatch, raids, and clearance operations to account for more than 200 enemies eliminated and more than 200 captured. Additionally, he aggressively expanded the human intelligence network in Western Iraq and employed civil affairs to gain cooperation from the local tribes in building the Iraqi Police Force and taking back Ramadi from the insurgents. By his bold leadership, courageous actions, and total dedication to duty, Lieutenant Willink reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions to the United States Naval Service.

[@pfclumi]

Lmao omg that was gold.

[@Dominic-ul9xw]

😂😂😂😂

[@JackDerr]

Reminds me of life. The good guys get no recognition, but the bad ones do

[@raulsanches3619]

Remember when all the shitbags sat in the FOB cuz they couldn't be trusted meanwhile the rest of us went outside the wire to get blown up and shot

[@frenchonion4595]

Because the good guys don't brag about it nor want too

[@raulsanches3619]

@@frenchonion4595 back in the day we left all the shit bags in the FOB because nobody trusted them in combat. The best of us went out all the time

[@stayhungry1503]

@@frenchonion4595 they also rarely get laid

[@MikeyMike-fb5hx]

The SEALS murdered people over there. Flat out shot people who had nothing to do with the fight.

[@DarthFather_]

I was one of the Americans that believed ever word of American sniper, lone survivor. I wish that shit was true. I wish these guys were these American super soldiers. Unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. Thank you guys for your service and for the truth. I know it’s not easy to do what you’re doing. God bless

[@Scott_Buchanan]

Same here… there was some stuff being said about Chris a decade ago but I kinda ignored it, this is hard to ignore.

[@ExSTPD]

Why are you believing these guys on this pod cast. Some of these guys weren’t even there. And if they were there, why did they wait 20 years to say something. If something was being done illegally they should have spoken and reported it then!

[@LRRPFco52]

We knew out of the gate that Lone Survivor was a pile of trash. There were senior SEALs who called that crap out within a few years of it. The SOCCENT AAR on the whole thing told it how it was as well, but only certain people were privileged to it. It's actually worse than what even the critics have said.

[@LRRPFco52]

​@@ExSTPDMany of us have already known this for 17-19 years. It's just finally coming out to a larger audience.

[@Mr50403]

​@@Scott_BuchananChris Kyle said he killed American Citizens in New Orleans during Katrina. I figured he lied or was a murderer either way I was done with him.

[@oscarvalerio3214]

Army Ranger Eric Edstrom wrote an amazing book called “Un-American: a soldier’s reckoning of America’s longest war” and his story lines up with what you guys are discussing here

[@MikeyMike-fb5hx]

10th Marines... Ramadi 05-06 here... They are absolutely right! JOCKO is full of shit!

[@madmaxc343]

I respect these Marines' perspectives/experience and enjoyed listening to them. However, as far as the specific accusations of war crimes and cover up, at the end of the day it's still hearsay and assumptions (albeit, seemingly pretty reasonable assumptions from their perspective), rather than direct evidence. I have to hand it to Jocko... he knows how to talk. His rebuttal videos sounded pretty eloquent and convincing to a general audience. Unless much more specific testimony of Bruiser SEAL crimes/incompetence and Jocko directly sweeping it under the rug emerges, I don't see any of this affecting Jocko too much at this point. For those of you commenting that Jocko should come onto this channel or have guys like Deming etc on his channel to hash this out, come on!! There's no way in hell he's gonna do that. He is not going to use his platform to give these accusations or the people making them anymore attention than absolutely necessary. Outside of veterans and a niche of people who are interested enough in military and GWOT to follow this shit closely, nobody in the general public is really paying attention to this. And for Jocko's fans, his response was probably more than convincing enough to satisfy them to not look further into it. I'll give Jocko the benefit of the doubt and say that I'm not convinced that he was necessarily intentionally nefarious or a horrible guy. In light of all this, I definitely don't think he was anything close to the great battlefield commander that he makes himself out to be. It seems that he did demonstrate a level of incompetence by not deconflicting battlespace and failing due diligence to manage potentially trigger happy psychos like Chris Kyle. But at the end of the day, it seems to me that Jocko just kinda did what careerist officers tend to do: shine shit and write it up as gold. Make sure X number of ops are planned and executed, let your guys shoot enough to justify and validate what you're doing, write it up nice... and "mission accomplished." Then he got out and marketed himself well. And thanks to the Navy PR machine, the SEAL brand made it all the easier for him. Chris Kyle always seemed like a bad dude to me. At face value, the idea that he was getting that many legit kills compared to other snipers working the same battlefield never made any sense. Some snipers are better than others, sure. But this wasn't Carlos fucking Hathcock mastering the art of stalking and remaining unseen in the jungles. Kyle was manning the same urban sniper posts as all the other Marine/Army/SEAL snipers operating out there at the time. How the hell was he seeing all these legit targets that the others apparently couldn't? Bullshit.

[@dv4119]

That point about Chris Kyle is really interesting and something I never thought about. If you’re right of course, cuz idk shit about these sorts of particularities of the battle space and can’t confirm a KZbin comment. But Chris Kyle was one character I always found shady, esp after reading how he bragged to people about driving to New Orleans after Katrina and sniping dozens of looters on the Superdome. 🙄 And this story “Kyle also claimed to have killed two men at a Dallas-area gas station in January, 2009. He told one writer that the men attempted to rob him at gunpoint, but he drew his own weapon and shot them both in the chest. According to Kyle, the entire incident was on tape, and the police let him go after he gave them a number to call. He also asserted that he often received emails from police officers across the country thanking him for "cleaning up the streets." More than a tad psychologically unbalanced to 1) make up such weird lies, 2) think the lie makes you look good. Either it’s some expression of PTSD that tilted his aggression and valuation of human life, or the dude just has serious power fantasies of murdering “wrongdoers”, and he quenched his desire thru the military. If sniping American citizens for looting is admirable in his eyes, I don’t doubt he could justify killing people overseas in a warzone for just about anything. But part of me is like, well this is a decorated war hero I’m talking about, and there’s no concrete evidence of any wrongdoing, so I usually just keep my opinion to myself. The best case scenario is that you’re wrong, and his targets were justified (or as much as they could have been for any other in the position) and he just was a dude who got found himself at the right place at the right time to make the most of his talent, and happened to like talking shit. Worst case is a lot of innocent people were killed by a glory-seeking SEAL and a movie was made in celebration

[@WestonWaxweiler]

Well said. Some pretty wild accusation all amounting to hearsay.

[@Stinger913]

Well said esp about Kyle. Had no idea he was doing that

[@cumsteak]

@@dv4119Chris genuinely seems like a baby killer

[@MikeyMike-fb5hx]

@@dv4119 Was in Ramadi with 10th Marines at that time. We had to put out a lot of fires by innocent people being killed by SEALs. My impression by the time I left were that The SEALS were a bunch of psychotic murderers.

[@Wellington-nl7vm]

I didn't have any opinions about this matter beforehand, I liked Jocko. But after listening to both him and Eric, and now these Marines, I can truthfully say I believe there really is some real substane in to the criticism of Jocko. Not only that, there's a lot of proven times when SEAL command covered up botched SEAL operations, so the fact that Jocko said "Why would management allow us to do these things" - well, we all know that Navy like to cover up these things.

[@MicahDamger]

True. When I got to sandbox, an old infantry grunt said “if u nerf someone with a shot, make sure u shoot a second shot at the ground”. I said why, he smirked, and said, “that’s the warning shot”. Look, most people tried their best to do the right things. Mistakes happened. Young kids, traumatized and scared for their lives, sometimes made mistakes. Not intentional. And guys covered down for their guys like guys should. But sometimes, bad stuff did happen, by evil people, with bad intentions, and others covered for it. If Jocko did, he would have ample opportunity to hide it. And even if he did a wrongful death investigation, which happened when the ROE were broken, he could have easily written it in a non incriminating fashion. A commander in his assigned battlefield is often judge, jury, and executioner. But in a battle for hearts and minds, like Iraq, one bad actor can have massive implications for others he ms not even know. It turns the people against us, strengthens enemy resolve, and results in more lost lives. When seals are running around like untouchables, accountable to none, and using imagery borrowed from evil comic book characters to intimidate the locals, (which is super f’ing gay btw), there is a butterfly effect. It probably didn’t make the local population feel very safe while Jocko was sprinting around in a spike choke collar with assless chaps and a punisher logo painted on his chest and killing random people so he could go back home and brag about how many souls he ejected from their bodies.

[@robertc3263]

Perfectly said ​@@MicahDamger

[@heathclark318]

Ghost Written books were already ready for them. Having read and listened to things in the last few weeks. Those guys; Jocko, Luttrell, Crenshaw, are absolute POS who you WOULDNT want hanging with your son or dating your daughter.

[@jpennel25]

Not necessarily war related but talking the the coverups in the military. I was on a destroyer. We pulled into a small island off the coast of africa to refuel. While departing we hit the pier and the ship had a hole, above the water line, not very big. This is a very big deal should have been reported. It was inhoused because the captain was going to retire after a 35 year career. Things can be buried.

[@jayr3381]

This channel is a breath of fresh air. It's also refreshing to see people in the comments not buying into the SEAL hype.

[@Gangsta1168]

Most of them still don't know they were cheap gangsters for BANKERS and CORPORATIONS.. 💵💵💯💯

[@johnnyfamous]

Were you in the military

[@DerBeatle7]

I’m an old Marine, but more importantly in this context, I’m the father of an 0311 infantry Marine who served in Ramadi. If there were operators killing innocent civilians in order to gain some military credibility and get some medals or ribbons, you have my attention. Did you create unnecessary conflict that resulted in the deaths of multiple Marinies so you could wear some stupid ribbon?! You have no idea the contempt I have for you if that is the case!

[@EckRD]

Your second sentence sums it up across the board during GWOT. But again, post 9/11 was still fresh in people's mind esp the troops. You know, the 03s, 11Bs, and the high speed low drag SF operators wanted to spread that fear and hate against the Iraqi or Afghani. Not all, but a few. Can you blame them? Boot camp, SOI, and in the fleet we were instilled and sang cadence about what we do to our enemy( young or old). Y'all need to accept reality that there are thousands and thousands of Kyles and Jocko in uniform. They simply run the state of affairs of the military. Don't believe me? Check your fruit salad for a Iraq campaign ribbon or Afghan ribbon or both. One team, one fight. Y'all were part of history. 🤷🏽‍♂️ -Marine Infantryman 0311 OEF Vet. 3/2 India Co and Weapons Co( CAAT )

[@tonyslaughter4285]

My condolences. This bruiser squad is probably the reason for the surge in 2007.

[@flyingirish31]

@@tonyslaughter4285the reason for the surge was the failure of Operation Together Forward in mid 2006. We would go out and conduct civil military operations with the support of maneuver elements during the day and then go back to our FOBs in the evenings and AIF/JAM/SCIRI-BADR would rule the night, brutally, depending which area of the AO. Casey was concerned with limiting casualties at that point and showing off reconstruction dollars we were spending. Most of which were being wasted due to improper planning and implementation. Patreaus changed that, increased targeted assassinations of AIF leaders, put a better system together to administer CERP dollars for reconstruction and CMO, and established the JSS system that put our troops out in sector 24/7.

[@davidschaadt3460]

Agreed 🙏🪖🙏

[@Jewjitsu_]

@@tonyslaughter4285absurd comment… you don’t even know what you don’t know.

[@michimchmich]

As a foreigner I am amazed at the integrity and professionalism of the men speaking up. They are the difference between the US and the other armies.

[@MikeyMike-fb5hx]

The SEALS treated non-SEALS like crap! Period! They were very overrated! In it for the wrong reasons... Part of their culture.

[@rossomeness3549]

We had the same issues with Seal team 3 on Camp Habbaniyah in 04-05. Kyle bragged about it in his book. Shot an unarmed civilian front of a mosque, the CO of the Tank Company that was assigned to task force 506 witnessed it and pushed up. Kyle skated free and clear of those charges and continued it in Ramadi.

[@mattde6390]

Oh cool, did you go to the JAG for LOAC violations?

[@Vranabg]

@@mattde6390 is jokeos nut sweet or bitter ?

[@mattde6390]

@@Vranabg who?

[@pragmatism8147]

Are you gay? ​@@Vranabg

[@chrishaugh1655]

@@Vranabg ah yes, if you don't believe everything being told to you in your little echo chamber you must be a boot-licker, right?

[@kylebrothers5910]

@GreenBeretChronicles 1st sgt, I am a former marine with 3/8 Lima. I would like the opportunity to talk with you privately about some of the content in this particular video. I was there in Ramadi and like the XO I was with this unit during secure tomorrow all the way into Ramadi. There are quite a few pieces missing from these guys takes. Neither of these Marines are wrong about anything per se but when they started talking about Tomci I think someone from Lima needs to speak up. I request a few minutes of your time.

[@Black-Heart-Actual]

I was in Lima from 98-2003 prior to the invasion of Iraq and wasn't there. I too Joined the Army and was deployed to Anbar with the 101st. I too have worked with SEALS in the past during our deployment to Kosovo and all the training exercises leading up to our MEU. I never got the impression that SEALS were the professional war fighters that they have always been made out to be. Do marines and Army do shit during deployments' that get themselves into trouble, Hell yeah, but not in masses because we were and are professionals when it comes to conducting operations. Its sad that these men are idolized like they are and put on this pedestal. I hope that the truth comes back to bite these men because there were far too many incidents from the Navy SOF community that have never been dealt with because their SEALS.

[@bittnerbs]

Following. I was in 1st Marines. I’m interested to hear your take on the borrowing of the suppressed MP5s. Did it happen?

[@kylebrothers5910]

@@bittnerbs I can say this, Joe Tomci had nothing to do with an mp5. When members of my sister company mention his name, I wish to speak with the owner of this channel to ser it right. I can talk about the mp5 but not before I talk to the 1st sgt first.

[@kylebrothers5910]

@@Black-Heart-Actual I request captains mast to the owner of this channel because one of my friends names is directly mentioned in this video. He deserves more respect because he can't speak for himself from Arlington and the other Marines that speak his name about a situation that were not there is not fair, so thats why I am here.

[@Rudderify]

His email is in the description. I bet if you emailed him with this same comment, he’d reach out to you.

[@thomasarchambault9463]

Ryan perfectly explains why the war took 20 years. In the end, it was nothing but a benefit to the military industrial complex and officers who played along moved up.

[@georgemulford2910]

Seriously dark if that is true. But I have always suspected most wars are fought along those lines. The media and government does a good job to make war or soldiering look noble.

[@manhalen7046]

And i bet you were waving that flag the whole time.

[@Chevelle602]

​@@manhalen7046we didn't know better back then

[@tonyslaughter4285]

Smedley Butler spoke about this in war is a racket.

[@thomasarchambault9463]

@@tonyslaughter4285 Yes he did. That is a great point.

[@spoodermens]

It's awesome to see fellow Marines living the corps values of Honor, Courage, and Commitment

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

Yet marines in fallujah killed hundreds of citizens

[@shredhead4604]

Paratrooper here. Agreed. My brother is 0311 USMC. Much respects to the Corps.💪🇺🇸

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@shredhead4604 nice

[@ExSTPD]

Living the Corps values? Why did he wait 20 years to say something? If he had any Marine Corps value he would have and should have said something then!

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@ExSTPD facts and marines in fallujah killed citizens too

[@viggotannhauser7251]

Skulls on the uniform... reminds me of that British sketch about a certain historical military unit: "Have you looked at the symbol on our cap? It's a skull... Hans, are we the baddies?"

[@Hiberno_sperg]

It's made even worse considering that the locals probably had no cultural context for what the Punisher is. To a westerner it's obnoxious but to them it's just evil.

[@toolman9081]

This guy keeps saying "professional" in a war makes me think of the brittish, when they were red coats

[@davidponder1654]

@@toolman9081pretty sure when he says “professional” it means following battlefield etiquette so no friendlies get smoked and keeping your trigger off the bang switch when youre looking at a civilian

[@toolman9081]

@@davidponder1654 there's no rules or etiquette in war.

[@RealFluse]

​@@toolman9081yes there are! ROEs are not guidelines, they are law and if not followed- you will end up in the brig. I dont agree with some of them but to answer your question or statement, there are many "rules" in war.

[@tomwilson1006]

Katt Williams did say that 2024 is the year that everything will be exposed.

[@SuperVonKiller]

I know, that's weird as hell ain't it. Dude couldn't have been more correct, and it's only May!

[@HunterHayes-rs2yi]

I didn't know Kat Williams was a Navy Seal. That's amazing 👏👏.

[@sapper3504]

its the Jews stupid

[@judahrossrealtor]

#TRUTH

[@Shmack_]

Stop 🤦‍♂️

[@jasontakeshita4755]

As you all know whistleblowers face a harsh road of scrutiny,but the truth always prevails. Best wishes and support on this arduous journey!

[@mattcubbler]

Once again, thank you Eric Deming, Ryan and Graham for their courage and bravery in speaking out. When I first came out publicly, I thought I was going to do it alone. But Eric came forward and joined me. He legitimized my allegations and has taken the role of leader in this quest. I am eternally thankful for that. Time for more whistleblowers to come forward. Let’s do this!!

[@smithnwesson990]

Still waiting for evidence there Matt. Just more claims. Extraordinary claims. Extraordinary evidence. See no smoking gun other than two disgruntled Marines balming there Marines deaths on Jocko and an Old SEAL looking for notoriety. Hardly evidence.

[@qbeck2166]

From Chris Kyles Hurricane Katrina sniper stories, to the Lone Survivor Movie, where Kris Kyle leads young starstruck Marines, who affectionately referred to him as the living "Legend" while clearing houses with his sniper rifle, to the trapped U.S Army Infantrymen on top of the roof, who he singlehandedly saved at the end of the movie, to knocking out Jesse Ventura, the whole story seems suspect, if not the main parts.

[@chanhowell43]

lone survivor was marcus luttrell not CK

[@voodooviking1230]

I get all those guys, but it’s quite the stretch to claim Jocko is a criminal with no evidence

[@oiuytv]

American sniper movie

[@jansandman6983]

@@voodooviking1230 He may not be directly doing the bad deed, but as I understand it, as the commander of people who are acting like psychopaths, he was advised to leash his dogs back to their cages because deploying those has caused more problems than help simply by randomly killing innocent people. Although Jocko's intentions of ignoring calls for pulling Kyle out were never clear, he is still accountably suspect given his authority over the matter. So based on the fact that we are afforded, he is partly to blame for the deaths of military personnel caused by revenge attacks from people who previously didn't have qualms about US troop presence but has been triggered towards being hostile due to Jocko's inaction.

[@brich5314]

Don’t idolize these men. Worry about god, yourself, and your family

[@Phil_Mycock_69]

Exactly! I’ve always been amused and very baffled why people idolise military people like they are heroes. As someone who was in the navy myself believe me most aren’t. There’s a reason why we have to have locks on everything for personal stuff because your fellow serviceman will steal your shit in a heartbeat. The heroes are the ones who didn’t come home; not some desk pusher who did 20 years and takes advantage of clueless civilians idolisation of veterans and the military

[@BlyGuy]

Admire and be inspired, but never idolize

[@kentjerrett2201]

Well as Jocko says in his book, “discipline equals freedom”, “kill your idols.”

[@tabasco-jf7eb]

I idolize Dr. MICHAEL DEBAKEY who safe so many lives , not this dude who got whoop by 🐐 herders with 🩴

[@PARCE93]

You should always aim to be your own man. Too many people live in the shadow of others. Consider yourself lucky to have the veil pulled from your eyes instead of building your entire personality & life based on lies.

[@robertg8565]

You can't lend out seralized gear, he's right. With weapons especially because they have to go on the unit's account through Crane. Doing it interservice is illegal, I did the books for my unit. No way a Marine Unit would accept weapons from the Navy.

[@T20-c8f]

Fire! Keep it coming y’all! This is exactly what our country is dying for literally right now. We need truth and accountability. Eric Demming god bless you sir. Sincerely a thankful patriot

[@teetedm1]

The weakest part of Jocko’s defense podcast was that 90% of it was based on the official record. The whole point behind the whistleblower push is that the official record is wrong. The same thing happened in WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and so on. After reviewing both sides, I will say that the most truthful side has been the whistleblowers. Now, we can all recognize that Iraq in 05/06 was known as the “Wild West,” because ROEs were lax. But that makes the accusations against Jocko even more convincing because they would have to be flagrant violations. More so, there’s a whole-ass book AND movie that overblows who Chris Kyle was and what he did. Final point - Jocko is incredibly successful. Dude makes hundreds of thousands PER SEMINAR. Plus consulting, plus books, plus supplements, plus his MMA gym… what I’m saying is, the dude has lawyers, the fact that this went on for over a month without a cease and desist or lawsuit is pretty telling.

[@ExtraRice365]

Look up the video "My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006" by Daniel Blackwell. Skip to the 10 minute mark if you're short on time. Daniel was a Marine serving directly under this XO in Ramadi. According to him, this XO Ryan was very subpar leader, and he cannot verify anything the dude claims about TU Bruiser. Meanwhile, he also listened to Jocko's response and said he can verify EVERYTHING Jocko said.

[@seanheaney8303]

​@@ExtraRice365 thats literally impossible because jocko just read of the offical record, claimed brotherhood about 35 times and the rest of the stuff he said has been proven wrong... he largely avoided most angles he didn't want to discuss.

[@DrewThornburg]

The only or best point this guy makes is the punisher symbol on the flack vest but if you were there in 05-06 and I saw every single base from south to north I saw a culture of tagging hummers with symbols and many almost all other gun truck platforms besides mine had something painted on the side we did not … maybe that’s why we had such bad blue on blues but Renegade19 was professional and that’s how we made it 14 months no incidents doing a job that two infantry units came in to takeover and couldn’t relieve us being scared and incapable of carrying out the mission

[@Mrjesse451]

Wait, so you think, like Joko said, that all these Marine commanders were told a Navy Seal unit were committing war crimes and getting their Marines killed and they did nothing????They were just like "Ok thats cool"???? Wtf world do you live in?????

[@TheIvanMilky]

@@ExtraRice365 you should probably also mention the video you are talking about was released before this one and has since done a follow up. He doesn't say a whole lot one way or the other and as someone has already pointed out Jocko literally just hit the same all points he always does, so essentially if you have read his book or ever heard the story before he is just verifying the same account he has given before. I find it interesting you are willing to put so much stock in what Daniel says but fail to even mention Graham who was stationed at the government centre which you should know as a big Jocko fan is heavily featured in a lot of the stories he mentions.

[@REB4444]

Jocko just did a two part rebuttal where he sites (but doesn't show) all the documentation & internal reviews that are done & the process a spec ops team has to do to operate in someone elses' battle space or whenever a SEAL team member has to shoot someone & the investigations to make sure it was a good kill. But all that is fine & dandy but it means nothing because all these documents & internal investigations also gave us the Navy SEALS' stamp of approval on ALL the lies being told about Rodger's Ridge with the stolen valor & botched planning that were covered up & Marcus Luttrell's complete fabrication of what happened at Op Redwings & that cover up. Honestly, I would be more willing to believe these Marines that are risking their reputations, with nothing to gain, to tell the truth instead of a bunch of narcissistic glory hounds that the SEAL community has allowed themselves to become.

[@matrixfan58]

Oh I can show you all the stuff I need to fill out to build an ADU on my land or to file my taxes. Does that mean I actually did any of that? 😉

[@SleepyJoesDiaper]

Well said. A damaged organization for sure. The SEALs have always wanted in on the missions that goto Delta, GB, & Rangers. Little brother syndrome. Once they get their chance, they screwed everything up. The reason Bin Laden was buried at sea is bc Rob O’Neill shot his whole face off after he was already dead. They ruined their reputation.

[@KGSpradleyAuthor]

I don’t know…I’m already suspicious of a senior officer starting out the conversation with “uniforms, discipline, etc.” I had Marines ask me if I stopped to render aid after vehicle mishaps in downtown Ramadi. There is no way I’m hanging out downtown in a gunfight. You have to put it in perspective. At the end of the day I just want AJ Pasciuti to get credit for killing Juba, it was NOT Chris Kyle. I’ll be glad when Lee Decklelman does your show. He can give more info on who I am and what I did if it helps with anything. I’m not calling out individuals publicly but am happy to hold leaders accountable.

[@user-qt7qc7wm8s]

This Marine is right though. I was an Army infantryman in Iraq from May 2005 to May 2006. After 8 of our Soldiers were kia in two separate attacks, we wrote their names on the outer cloth of our kevlars as a way to honor them before going on missions... But our company 1st Sgt went APE SHIT because of it looking "unprofessional". The Delta and Seal teams we ran across during our deployment were professional and wore mixed desert bdu's without unit any patches. Any personalized patches like "The Punisher" would have been considered inappropriate, atleast within my company. But much respect for their service....

[@theshittybowman]

I hope your brothers continue to rest easy, I bet they were incredible marines. 🤝🫡🇺🇸

[@johannesbauer4490]

​@@theshittybowman Soldiers, not Marines in his case. I'm former Army Infantry as well, and totally agree with his comments.

[@theshittybowman]

@@johannesbauer4490 acknowledged, my apologies my man. 🫡🤝🇺🇸

[@JWins14]

😮😮

[@lt.petemaverickmitchell7113]

40:15 Those Punisher skulls on the gear not helping the cause with the population is about the same as a lot of these police departments trying to get the support of communities going around dressed up in a costume looking like they’re the ones getting ready to get dropped into Ramadi. Think about it.

[@marcusaurelius7039]

Exactly. The war industry has come home to roost.

[@doom8274]

it is, and the irony of the fact that Punisher canonically kills loads of cops

[@kcogz1]

I typed this differently originally. I was in the USMC as an 0311 in a nearby area (Al Anbar province). I won’t type my unit or where I was cause it would be easily figured out. Punisher patches, skulls, etc is and was very normal. Not every unit is the same. And NO we were not committing war crimes despite losing many Marines and Corpsman on the deployment. It was something for motivation. Y’all are way over thinking the punisher patch. We aren’t and were not anarchists that hated police or the govt either. Just motivating to dumb 18-22 yr olds trying to make it through a gruesome time in the war.

[@westvirginiaminer3046]

​@@kcogz1you are so right. Yhe fact that they are trying to make a skull out to be some major red flag, shows that they have nothing really to talk about

[@Newbobdole]

THANK YOU for giving these Marines the opportunity to set the record straight! Civilians might not completely understand how unusual service members airing dirty laundry in public really is

[@rse4379]

Officers are even doing it now days.

[@bluewave2024]

They also don’t realize how difficult it is to report alleged crimes that other units may have been involved with.

[@tonyslaughter4285]

@@bluewave2024usually gets swept under the rug and then they ship you on a shitty assignment.

[@trentonpacker3538]

You guys are true American. Thanks for serving with honor. God bless.

[@marcusaurelius7039]

Read Matthew Cole's book "Code before Country" about the corruption and coverups within DevGru and the SEAL Teams. So bad that they tried to prevent the Medal of Honor to a fellow warrior Combat Air Controller named John Chapman who sacrificed it all on Robert's Ridge.

[@andrewstahl3531]

This guys testimony sounds pretty similar to my experience with SEALs in Afghanistan working for a civil affairs team. We had to answer for the games they played with the civilian populace.

[@teambeforeself6839]

Man, your channel must get a lot of hate, so I just want to say, thanks for having the fortitude and honor to bring this out. Jock and Lief are probably multimillionaires at this point, so hope the truth gets out and we can hold people to account and train the next batch of leaders to never sacrifice their honor.

[@seanf9047]

Is it about the truth or the fact they are millionaires

[@manhalen7046]

They started successful companies, why shouldnt they be millionaires? The tenants of a capitalist democracy. You put the work in you reap the rewards.

[@teambeforeself6839]

@@seanf9047 truth, but I was saying that this stayed hidden and now he has enriched himself and fool the masses on who he really is. Very disappointing. So not being a hater for the enrichment, the hate is the blood that it took.

[@teambeforeself6839]

@@manhalen7046 they got rich on the lies. It isn’t that they are rich, it is just the deceit and use of the blood spilled.

[@manhalen7046]

@@teambeforeself6839 Detail how exactly they got rich on lies. What is he lying about?

[@t.m.nichols4229]

A very enlightening discussion. Graham, especially, is very well spoken and presents himself very well. It is discouraging to hear that people who the American public has been led to believe were real 'heros' and role models were/are anything but. Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

[@Hughjaoses8766]

Remember this always, Jocko sells a BRAND. Hes a marketer with a SEAL background.

[@Trqize]

Umm... good for him?

[@choncha23]

He always sold a brand. That is why I took his words with a grain of salt. Being a Vet, I know have Officer operate: anything for those bullet points on their evaluation.

[@Tony_at_the_point]

And? So what are you? A cat? Makes sense with your remarks.

[@Tony_at_the_point]

@@choncha23 And what are you selling? Or are you just sitting in your lazy boy with nothing better to do?

[@MortonT1958]

Was he selling his BRAND while he was still deployed, or even while he was on Active Duty? If he has been self-promoting only since retirement, then while it isn't admirable, it isn't criminal either.

[@kevinburchett5878]

Pretty soon Shipley is gonna have a business of verifying former seals who are trying to claim they were just marines or infantry lol

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

No

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

Marines killed citizens in fallujah with white phosphorus

[@jerrycrouch427]

Shipley is probably too busy trying to help his son get out of the shit he stepped in

[@joesroads6387]

he responded to another comment in the first video about this. he clearly had no interest in discussing it. only correcting someone who allegedly put words in his mouth. if he wasn't there he doesn't care.

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@jerrycrouch427 what

[@janfalcon2020]

On a side note, Dirty Civilian (a civilian prepper channel) talked about distancing themselves from a seal who talked about how they would use Americans as a resource for supplies in a SHTF scenario. The particular statement was the seal would watch the civilians make their preps, then kill them and take their stuff. That was his survival plan. I can't even imagine trusting someone from a group of people that could foster a mind set like that.

[@dctuss21]

Marine Afghan Vets tell these stories all the time. SEALs commandeering all the resources for a unit, leaving marines with no air support, then just leaving in the middle or right before firefights. Ive never heard from a Marine that was genuinely impressed with any seals, ever.

[@smithnwesson990]

Do Marines ever say they are impressed? No. They place themselves on a pedestal and claim everyone else is doing it wrong. Pot meet Kettle.

[@sonnysantana5454]

they do bounce that red ball on their nose pretty good

[@jamesfreda1903]

I was assigned to a Marine recon team in 1969, and after listening to this,I know that Marines were held accountable for their actions. And as in any combat, bad things do happen. As leaders, all after action reports were made under intense scrutiny. I, as a Corpsman, was accountable for my own actions and reports.

[@ericyoungoc]

Listen….. I was Alpha 1/5, and we had the gov center AO in March-Oct 2005. We were operating out of Hurricane Point and doing mounted security patrols/ QRF/ and government center security, on a rotating basis. I did not stay the whole deployment as 1/5 was undermanned and I was short timing. I was there til about mid June. I will attest that Ramadi was a very busy place and especially at the gov center. We were always taking shit there. I stood post at the police station at first, but then moved over to the roof top overlooking the entry control point. At that post, I was in it a couple times a week. At least! One night, we spotted some armed hadjis moving through buildings to our north. We called it in and were about to light them up. Same story…. Our leadership ran it up the chain looking for adjacent units or SOF units…. They came back with the go ahead to shoot if we’ve positively identified them. Which we were certain that we had. They were wearing local attire and moving with ak’s Whatever seal team that was present in that time, skylined themselves and decided it was not a good idea to let anyone know they were going to be in our area moving around in local attire with local weapons. They were a split second away from being killed by us, for it. At the last second, my platoon sergeant stopped us, AFTER giving us the go ahead to shoot. That was my only interaction with the Seals. From afar. Don’t be stupid, talk to the units in the area and let them know you’re there so they can back you rather than shoot at you.

[@Dr.Doorkicker0311]

Holy shit funny seeing you here Young 😂 small world! SF

[@James_Edward59]

That’s the power of Social Media, anyone who was around or involved in any of this can easily hear about it and give their accounts as well. Thank you for your service and the story.

[@kwesty1]

Man, I am speechless after listening to these past few episodes. I even watched most of Jocko's just to hear his take. I was a Scout Sniper with 2/7 in the early 90's (No combat for me) and I followed The Chris Kyle story along with that of Jocko and others. Now, I really am questioning everything..One thing I do know is that, I respect these men who are speaking their truth the way they have seen it. I wish them well, they have emotional scars that need healing. SF

[@ice-cold4342]

The marines are absolutely right.i was army infantry in that same area and patrolled route Michigan between ramadi and fallujah for a year and only saw 2 dead insurgents.I guess Kyle and jocko were fighting and killing an enemy that was invisible to me

[@amosmoses8656]

In Australia we have a few SAS soldiers who killed innocent ppl and are facing jail and war crimes.

[@fj949]

The Oliver Schulz debacle is sobering.

[@RodEvan]

How do you know they were innocent? Were you there or my guess another numbskull who believes everything some fuktard reporter says.

[@NPC-fl3gq]

Unarmed combatants (the kind that trigger IED's or shoot or throw a grenade then put their hands up) is a better word for most of those cases. Not saying all of them are like that, but some definitely are - so I'd say unarmed combatant, coz if you are actively involved you're not innocent just because you throw down your gun rather than get in a shootout with the SAS.

[@nobodycares9579]

I am so glad that you take pride in your regiment while also policing the malfeasance to preserve it's sacred nature.

[@johnnyfamous]

Take less mushrooms

[@mattde6390]

lol this beta male never reported anything

[@Nickray57]

I guess congrats to the channel for actually getting Jocko to respond. I would have never expected him to give any of this attention. I suppose based on the accusations being as serious as they are he was compelled to do so. My recap of this video: The Marine XO who wrote the letter clearly wanted everyone to think TU Bruiser killed 36 of "his" Marines. Jocko responded in a podcast addendum, and now here the XO walked his comments back to acknowledge that 17 Marines died in Ramadi (not 36) and around the time TU Bruiser was in theater-- which also happened to be when the most intense fighting was occurring... but he didn't elaborate that the Marine deaths were the direct result of anything TU Bruiser did like he framed in his letter. He contradicts himself in this video compared to what he wrote in that letter and how this channel presented the XO's letter in the original video about all of this. It's clearly misinformation or disinformation and if I owned this channel I would want that error on my part corrected for the record. Obviously we aren't going to see that happen because it won't fit their narrative. The XO goes on to say that HE DID NOT witness any innocent killings perpetrated by TU Bruiser, but people he knows told him about it. When asked what he did with those reports he responds saying he was too busy at the time to do anything about it. He expresses disgust with the Punisher patches the SEAL TU was wearing... and in my opinion, is the one thing in this video I would say is actually verifiable and they are justified in calling out. As a Marine and Iraq Veteran myself, I do get this perception of a lack of professionalism and still remain surprised TU Bruiser was allowed to "decorate" their uniforms in this manner. I wouldn't make as much of a stink about it as these guys are doing, but I do actually agree it's weird for an elite military unit to do that. Similar to the XO, the former enlisted Marine from 3/8 they have on here basically peddles an identical story. People in his company told him TU Bruiser killed innocent people... but he clearly says he saw nothing himself and did nothing himself about the reports he received. He goes on to talk about how intense the fighting was in and around the government center that led to the civilian population moving entirely out the area... but then also contradicts himself by saying the TU Bruiser guys who showed up to the government center shot noncombatants... that weren't in the area? But he didn't see it... people just told him they saw it. So were there civilians in the area to be shot or not? It just doesn't compute. He also says that if a Lance Corporal or PFC in a Marine unit were to shoot a civilian they'd be fried... but seems to think for some reason the SEALs had zero accountability and could shoot whomever they pleased however they pleased with no ROE. He also seemed to take exception that the SEALs operating in the area weren't briefing him on their missions and movements in the AO. He said he was a Corporal at the time. I doubt a SEAL Commander in Ramadi would be compelled to make sure a Corporal machine gunner in 3/8 was tipped off as to when they'd be appearing at the government center, their objectives while there, and when to expect them again. He also said something about how TU Bruiser would go up on the roof and shoot random people so they could get combat action ribbons. Again, after saying there was no civilian presence in the area and that he never saw them shooting random people even though he literally lived at the building throughout the deployment. So we've got SEALs clipping randoms from the rooftop of the building you live in but you never saw it? You never did anything about it? Just people you know told you about it? Well holy shit it sounds Biblical then, doesn't it? Listen, I don't think Jocko can part the Red Sea... I don't think SEALs or any military community is perfect. But I hope the people watching these videos can understand the frame here this very tiny and small group of people no one has ever heard of before is pushing versus the more likely reality that TU Bruiser wasn't a murderous bunch of unchecked cowboys. My read is that these folks don't like the punisher patches (agreed), don't like the fact that a SEAL has gone so public with their experiences and persona (understood), but to call them fraudulent murderers is quite the fucking stretch. Just my $0.02.

[@ShellShockerSporanox]

So do you think it's normal for Marines to borrow MP5s from SEALs or no?

[@Nickray57]

@@ShellShockerSporanox I agree with what was said in the video in terms of that being weird and strange. Jocko also corroborated that piece in his podcast addendum so it appears to have actually happened. It doesn't then lead me to believe TU Bruiser was killing innocent people, but I do agree and have never heard of "loaning" a weapon to another military unit or branch. So yeah, it's highly unusual and weird. Agree with you there.

[@ExtraRice365]

Look up the video "My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006" by Daniel Blackwell. Skip to the 10 minute mark if you're short on time. Daniel was a Marine serving directly under this XO in Ramadi. According to him, this XO Ryan was very subpar leader, and he cannot verify anything the dude claims about TU Bruiser. Meanwhile, he also listened to Jocko's response and said he can verify EVERYTHING Jocko said.

[@AR-ly7yt]

Not even .02 cents maybe .01

[@koltonhuntsman9633]

Those were my thoughts as well

[@832KJV]

Kudos to these three gentlemen for having the guts to speak out - they are completely credible and are gaining nothing from their disclosure. Remembering what Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." These good men are doing something.

[@kpal2946]

Who ever is calling you guys disgruntled vets has something to hide imo. Thank you guys for bringing the truth into the light. edit I liked at the end when you got a complement about Army Engineers you had big old grin. Be Proud.

[@crowshooter223]

I smelled Bullshit on Kyle from the beginning when I first heard about him. After he got caught lying about other things, it just solidified my belief in that assessment. I heard he was reporting his own kills with no confirmation from anyone else needed. I've brought this fact up to VERY few people because of the blind hero worship so many people are engaged in when it comes to him. I also wonder if his nickname "legend" wasn't actually a reverse pun. Kind of how a 300lb guy gets the nickname "tiny". I think a LOT of his fellow SEALS felt he was utterly full of shit, and a psycho, and laid that handle on him as a backhanded way of saying it.

[@crd4243]

Right on. And also « Lone Survivor » (the movie)… an absolutely non sensical story. From my own limited military experience, a tour of sevice as an NCO in the French army during the time of the Bosnian war and terrorism at home, I could sense that Luttrell’s account was absurd. And if that mission did truly unfold the way he described it, then there was something terribly wrong with the leadership and capabilities of that particular unit. In August 2008, a French patrol was ambushed an destroyed in Afghanistan by 100 Talibans. The French took 31 casualties, including 10 KIA, one of whom was killed by an edged weapon during hand to hand fighting. There was no attempt to turn this into a heroic action or to create a false narrative… it was a huge f**k-up by the French army and that’s all there was to be said. Seven families took legal action against the military leadership but to no avail, so there was a cover up of sorts. But nobody wrote a book or made a movie trying to spin the facts… that would have been disgusting and dangerous!

[@patriotexx]

Chris Kyle lied about shooting looters, he lied about killing 2 men in a botched robbery, he lied about punching Jesse Ventura, he self reported many of his kills. Legend was probably actually making fun of him but his IQ was too low or ego too high to realize it or care.

[@aaronmorrison7716]

I agree. I read Chris Kyle’s book. I thought, “how the hell do other snipers not come close to his reported kill account?”

[@doom8274]

@@aaronmorrison7716 somewhere out there is some dude that as a pimple faced 19 year old killed a metric shitload of people in fallujah as a PIG sniper, not even school trained, and he'll never say. but I know him, and he's not writing a book about his "confirmed kills".

[@dbohler8640]

Love this. Jocko removed my comment from his video too. Btw: there’s another Marine offering up his critique of the XO in a separate video. I think both of these guys are sincere and honest. Read “Code Over Country” The email from Jocko to Chris Kyle said everything I needed to know about Jocko. Jocko sat quietly by while Kyle smeared Jessie Ventura, all while knowing that Kyle was a sociopathic liar. That’s how much respect Jocko has for his senior frogmen and tradition. Are we to believe that Jocko wasn’t there when Monsoor’s CMH was awarded? He knew that Ventura never said anything like what Kyle alleged and he knew Kyle never hit Ventura, but he sat quietly and let the country crap on Ventura. Screw Jocko.

[@bittnerbs]

Can you link the video? As an enlisted Marine Infantryman during the same time that this XO was in, I find him to be suspect. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that made a good platoon commander. My good platoon commanders didn’t run and hide post-career. They are easy to find; however, I’m not sure where the shitbag platoon commanders are.

[@manhalen7046]

Youre running to Jessie Ventura's rescue?!?!? Geezuskrist people, pull your heads out of your butts.

[@dbohler8640]

@@manhalen7046 I guess you think that “because it’s Jessie Ventura, it’s OK to slander a senior veteran frogman, even if that slander destroyed his livelihood”. Ventura was there in HONOR of SEAL tradition, dismissing class 258 from Hell week, as he had done when asked to dismiss 158, years before. He didn’t bad mouth his brother SEALs as Kyle alleged and Kyle never hit him. Maybe you think that’s OK and you’re screwed up too if you think it’s OK but it’s not OK in this veteran’s mind. Jocko should be ashamed for not speaking out on Ventura’s behalf. The email between Jocko and Kyle proves that Jocko knew Kyle’s book is full of ish. Ventura became successful, wealthy and famous without scraping gold from the trident. He always honored the silent professional’s code. Kyle and Jocko crapped on it.

[@JRN007]

There are some rangers also speaking out.

[@dbohler8640]

@@JRN007 got a link? I’d be interested to hear what they’ve got to say.

[@AGSkaary]

Edit: The more I read and the more I research, the more holes appear in this narrative. I can't in good conscience pretend that this is a reliable video anymore. This video purports that Bruiser was operating without oversight and that's just not how that works. This feels completely fabricated. I'll leave my original post up for anyone else who might want to see it. I have some issues with this. These things aren't slams against the people on this show, or the people who put all this together but just a couple thoughts to keep in mind. This is a serious topic, so pardon the length of the reply but I feel it deserves me being thorough. The first is that Ryan, the guy who's letter kicked off a lot of this debate, is basing everything he's saying purely off conjecture. He didn't witness any of the stuff he's talking about personally and doesn't say any of his men saw any of these things take place personally either, save for meeting with a member of the Bruiser unit (which I also have some issues with). In the day and age we're talking about, even in the mid to late 2000's, if Bruiser was just rolling out and murdering people for no reason there is no way that isn't caught by somebody. A camera, a cell phone, satellite imaging even. Other units, etc. I've read a ton of comments regarding this and not once have I ever seen a single comment from someone saying "I saw this personally". It's all conjecture, and if you're going to impugn a respected reputation you just need more than that. "I heard this from x" is just not good enough, if you ask me. Especially if some of the people who they are bringing up are local leadership which to anyone who was there should ring some bells. It was common knowledge that there were good and bad actors in that region from day one. It was definitely not uncommon to have local authorities misleading American forces and making some wild claims. Am I saying all tragedies didn't happen? Absolutely not. Things definitely happen in war. If you're going to say "This group committed war crimes", you need more than that. As an aside the enemy absolutely operated in neighborhoods, caused collateral damage, and then blamed it on Americans. That was VERY common. To say that the insurgents did not have reason to operate in neighborhoods and that it gave them no tactical advantage is just wrong. IEDs were often not tactically placed by insurgents. Some were, a lot were not. Stirring up unrest and blaming Americans for that unrest was part of the insurgency game plan to weaken our alliances with local leadership. It's very surprising to me to hear an XO say otherwise. The other issues I have are with the meeting with the Bruiser that Ryan speaks about. I get that every organization is different and operate differently. I'm not saying it's impossible that misconduct or lack of respect occurred. It can happen. What bothers me is that Ryan is saying it was 'unprofessional' to have an insignia on their equipment, the punisher skull. Insignias and identification markings have been core critical across every branch of service since inception, and the punisher skull is -far and away- not the most insensitive marking there has been in the military. To say that they are unprofessional because of that makes me wonder if this even happened. That sounds made up to me, because in my eyes and from experience that is not a reason to discredit an entire organization. As far as the war crimes not being reported thing, I get that we were very busy during that time in Ramadi. I just don't buy it that there was no way to run that stuff up the ladder. As busy as our forces were in that region, and they were definitely busy, the military makes time to investigate war crimes and take action. I have a hard time believing that it wasn't something that they would have acted on. It just does not pass for me. The last issue I have doesn't concern this broadcast itself but more the comments being deleted on Jocko's video and the like. I've seen a lot of those comments as I've tried my best to stay apprised of this topic. While some might have caught strays and were deleted unnecessarily (I won't pretend there aren't some of those), there were a ton of comments that weren't just being critical. They were threats, attacks, slurs, just plain rage. You can be outraged at allegations, but if you go on a massive rant where you are personally insulting someone... Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that gets deleted. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. It's just like if I talk trash in a bar, I can't be mad if I get leveled for it. There's a right and wrong way to discuss this kind of thing. I'm not saying in any concrete way that these events didn't happen, but the facts presented just don't get me over that ledge. If new things come out, I'll gladly eat my own shoe and take the hit. For now though, it doesn't really pass my litmus test. Just my thoughts. Stay safe out there everyone.

[@AZSETX]

Thank you

[@frosty_soda]

Tbh, it sounds like Jocko is a glory hound, and he does strike me as the type to have done exactly what is being claimed.

[@nookie077]

Anybody who listens to this guy talk and doesn't see character and professionalism must be a so deep in Jacko's hole they are willing to pay triple the rrp for his energy drinks. Just saying. Stay safe out there.

[@germanicusternus1982]

This XO sounds like the biggest dipshit. He thinks we didn't do COIN all the way. His conclusion is that if we had COINed harder, we would have been victorious. The fact is that we should never have been in Iraq in the first place. We had no justification to be there. The Israelis fabricated evidence that led us to war. Thus, we had no feasible objectives, besides "nation building" which meant contracts for Haliburton. War is about killing the enemy, but our corrupt politicians, want to make our military in to some humanitarian police force instead. That is what got those marines killed, for no good reason.

[@tisaiah2207]

You should be able to see the difference !! I just go into all of this and you can tell who is genuine.!!!!

[@tomusmc1993]

It's a reflection point for me, and my own time as a Marine, and having participated in a small part of history, that my own experiences are not reflected in history accurately, but now they are written down and recorded and will propagate into the future. So, I applaud you all for speaking up. My other take away is the irony of your overarching theme of "professionalism prevents atrocities" which is true, but being aware that you all had to deal with it at all in the first place, was a failure of leadership and professionalism at the highest level of government. As the old saying goes... stuff rolls downhill.

[@cumsteak]

I always poop upside down

[@thomascerulli8013]

Marine Corps, 82-86. We trained with all members of the SOC community in 85 Fort Sherman Panama. Their were all extremely professional. And in typical Marine Corps fashion. Towards the end of the program. We earned their respect. There was a Seal Team on base at the time. They weren’t part of the training excersize. I have to ask a very simple question. Why would you place a punisher skull on your flack jacket. I can only speak as a Marine. Thats totally UN-SAT..And you would pay a price for that. I have my own opinions of The Seal Community. When they started attacking David Goggins. I appreciate the work you’re doing. Thank You Brother 🇺🇸

[@shapeshifter52001]

haha, thats the year I recieved my patch while in Panama.

[@valhallapersonaldefense]

I'm glad this is coming out. Semper Fidelis.

[@LilSebastian_]

“That rah rah…always motivated… I’m not buying it.” Shawn Ryan talking about Jocko.

[@matthewpyke5602]

When did he say this

[@LilSebastian_]

@@matthewpyke5602 I don't remember when or who he was interviewing, but he did say it.

[@bluewave2024]

Jocko sells an image that a lot of guys know is absolute BS. The whole tough guy who does MMA, lifts weights, and gets up early is cool but when you’ve had multiple shit deployments, that whole act goes out the window.

[@Abefroman-lq3md]

@@bluewave2024Well said. He is a complete fraud.

[@kylev8905]

If Demings is wrong. Jocko should release his service record. Lets see the progression of his career AFTER his command of Bruiser. If he did such a great job, he shouldve been given command of a group etc. Or at least he should be groomed to take over a next higher command. If this stuff is fale, Jocko can easily put it to rest by proving these guys liars. I think most people want the truth above all else, even if it tears up their adoration for these guys.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Nothing is more important than the truth. Thank you gentlemen. Shame we were lied to for so many years.

[@8551-w5v]

Greetings fellow Warrior. As a Marine Raider I can say the SEAL Platoons I deployed with were 99% all professional fighters. A few were Unsat. As for the Army SF , 100% of the Green Berets I've worked with and known they are all quiet professionals and men of honor, integrity and high moral character. Maybe I was just lucky. It was a honor to serve with these men. 1989-2005.

[@livinroomlongshanks]

MARSOC was stood up by the Corps in 2007 with ARMY SF writing much of their doctrine. So how exactly were you a Raider if you left in 2005?

[@Charles-nc4zj]

Sir, how did Navy SEALs do in landlocked countries despite the Navy not having any infantry background? BTW thanks for your service.

[@livinroomlongshanks]

@@Charles-nc4zj SEALs are the NAVYs waterborne version of Army Rangers (excluding Team 6). While SEALs are tier 2 just like Rangers and they have a solid base of soldiering skills (Land nav/SUT/CQB).

[@WillS-x9y]

@@livinroomlongshanksbro you know next to nothing.

[@bittnerbs]

@@livinroomlongshankswhat? Hahahah. No. Not at all. SEALs are nothing like Rangers. Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing.

[@davegonzalez5339]

I am impressed how these vets express themselves. Thank you for setting the record straight. Very disappointed in the zeros that supervised this unsupervised group. Thank you for standing up for the truth.

[@awac4577]

I want to thank each of you for your service and sacrifice. I am simply a civilian who has been intrigued by the movies and the books. And that's all I've ever had to go on until now. I'm starting to see a little more clearly, I believe. Whatever the truth is, it will eventually prevail.

[@John-m8o1p]

I am so glad you guys are doing this. I am extremely saddened by the disillusionment and this needs to be covered by investigative journalism

[@natel7382]

Chris Kyle wrote a book admitting to hundreds of murders, and it got published, Ie the navy read the book and said yea that works. Think about that. The Navy has to review and OK every book.

[@brn2579]

That's why I'm suspicious this is a PSYOP.

[@GATOR_MCLUSKY]

they look at the book to make sure theres no classified info in it. they care less if its bullshit or not just np opsec

[@TonioD49]

Cite one single description of a murder. Let’s see it.

[@natel7382]

@@TonioD49 killing looters during Katrina. There you go. People trying to survive. This wasnt some protest these people were trapped. Go watch some Katrina footage it was bad.

[@Abefroman-lq3md]

@@TonioD49Tead the book you tool!

[@shamarj834]

I’ve been tired of the “ Navy Seal “ story for years now. I’m so glad to see a lot more Delta guys coming out with their stories now! I’ve never heard of a perfect human/ organization before, and these guys seemed too perfect IMO. My marine leadership stoped me from attempting SF because of the behavior they saw in Iraq. You could sense that they had a bad taste for sf.

[@ChrisHoward141]

Delta guys were telling their stories before SEALs. They had movies, games, books, etc way before SEALS did. You must be new😂

[@shamarj834]

@@ChrisHoward141 “A LOT MORE” read carefully bud! Enjoy your day !

[@ChrisHoward141]

@@shamarj834 “BEFORE”, lol don’t just read but TRY to comprehend there little guy👍

[@BullsMahunny]

"That letter was fake and generated by AI" Dude who wrote the letter: "okay, BET"

[@obamavariant9128]

How did he get the dates wrong when his men died?

[@AdminLogistics.]

This guy is a proven bum. Terrible leader, terrible communication, and full of untruths.

[@Thebluesky0311]

@@AdminLogistics. Where is it proven???

[@TheIvanMilky]

@@AdminLogistics. This is the same type of person who will tell you the claims are unsubstantiated and slander 😂

[@dmichael7144]

@@obamavariant9128 he didn’t. He said 36 in total died in Ramadi. Most of them were when the SEALs were there!

[@hatfieldmccoy0311]

My boy was with 3/8, we went through SOI, I was with 1/2, my first 4, reupped and went to 3/1, he reupped and went to 3/8. He said the same thing, talked about almost lighting up SEAL guys when they bumped into them and I don't understand the exact situation bumped there was no one supposed to be there but some how they almost lit them up. He lost alot of respect for the teams after that. There were alot of Marines that were there that have said the same thing

[@KC-UT4rmAZ]

Listening to the part about lending out/borrowing weapons/guns is absolutely hilarious. Being from SF, the same as Jay. I can say our teams would never in a million years do this. If I dared lend out our weapons/guns and or borrowed them. My ass would be finished for good. Not saying it’s never happened, I’m sure it has somewhere by someone. I’m starting to think and realize Jocko is full of shit and is everything opposite of what he preaches now. Which is very sad to say.

[@barryhercules7588]

Jocko should get a job at GBRS Group

[@bittnerbs]

I agree with you here. In the April 2004 Fallujah offensive, we had “Billy Bob” and “Tommy Joe” the Delta bubbas come and link up with my Marine unit. We had gone firm and had a cordon around the city. These guys took watch and were there to kill the enemy. They had cool guy gear and we were all in awe. They let us check out their gear, but never did they allow us to “borrow” it, even while relieving them on a post. They had .50BMG and .338 Lapua rifles that we would’ve killed to shoot. Never happened. As just a regular infantry Marine, I’ve never heard of a unit, especially a non-Marine unit, lending out weapons like this.

[@fj949]

Yeah, that shit would never fly…particularly with Marines…you would get crucified if you couldn’t reconcile your CMR. We had a pair of officers in one of my units that loaded out a pair of COTS rifles from a vendor to take on deployment to Iraq back in 2005. One dude got relieved of command for sneaking it on the Quadcon without requesting authorization and adding it to his CMR, the other dude got NJP’d and a LOR. One thing is picking up an AK off a combatant during an engagement for utilization if shit hit the fan, it’s a complete other thing of temp loaning weapons between units of different services and chain of command. I find it hard to believe as well. Smells like BS when I heard him say that.

[@mtmadigan82]

There's few things you can do in the Marines that is more egregious than losing a weapon. The idea of "lending" weapons would make most of us laugh uncontrollably or look at you like there was a phallus growing on your forehead.

[@gordo3697]

​@@fj949In korea we did trade a broken 119F to the Army in leu of maintenance it had to get okd by the G6 at the 3 MLG we also did the same thing Iraq took a ospray to Balad to replace a broken ancyz10 with the army

[@mrj3217]

What I am seeing here is loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage. These men are doing the right thing. If they killed civilians, disrespected and compromised soldiers dafety and security and worked against building a good civilian/military repore.

[@Exmuslim1917]

David Goggins has been saying this for years

[@LASTmanSTANDING1500]

I was thinking the same thing. He's BEEN say that he gets hate because he talks about SEAL business out loud but what's there to hide......unless they are doing something very wrong.

[@philipdru9290]

Goggins is a friggin real man, he’s his own man. I think he had a high regard for Rangers and certainly Delta as he tried out twice for that unit.

[@karlstrauss2330]

@@philipdru9290Rangers are just as bad as the SEALs IMO, they just never got the opportunity to kill OBL so they got overshadowed over the past few decades

[@leroygreen8629]

Where ? Where has Goggins been saying this?

[@jonsnow1081]

@@karlstrauss2330 Every branch and also SOCOM units have bad apples.

[@gooddoggo3547]

Just want to say, if any of those three men are reading this. Ya'll are doing the right thing, and I hope you are able to continue your existence without the weight of knowing what you know. I have always been anti-war to a certain extent and it it has hardened much much more compared to when i was younger, but I have never hated or held contempt over the service men/women of the military. Over the years though, after taking all in the information and I'm always learning more. I have grew bitter and formed a hatred and distrust for the Military as an institution. However, when American Sniper came out and Lone Survivor came out, and when I got older and more suspicious of stories (happens with age to everyone). After all the reports of immaturity of the seals and the my research of Chris Kyle as a human being (because at the time, I never doubted his story. I only despised him as a person, but respected his service) when I came back to those events and read into them with an open mind. My entire perspective of the Seals went from thinking that there is some bad actors, but its not a culture problem. To, most of the Seals are people I should not trust at all and I off the bat don't like them and assume the worst. To hear from all 3 of you, that this isn't your experience with other Seals but also pointing out the bad actors, I feel that I can look at Seal Units with more sympathy and respect. That there is a way to solve the issue, and that it's finally being acknowledged. I don't like the idea of real personal and intimate stories of war being sold as a way for people to experience heroism, and live through those who have actually put their life at risk (but its also impossible to prevent, and might serve a greater purpose despite it). However to have people live through those who are nothing more then living ghosts of a person they know they aren't, while most of those who have died in combat never lied about who they were, showed their vulnerability in death, but despite that faced death head on and looked it in the eye. Those people are dead, and their stories haven't been told, and most likely never will. While those who have built a lie to serve their own fabricated legacy are writing books and spewing words that might as well be considered empty and meaningless are living lives of luxury and success. Its despicable, and all 3 of you despite the faults that come with being human. Are the few that carry true integrity that actually weighs something.

[@SVParadigme20]

Former Canadian Airforce pilot with 2 tours in Afghanistan. I find you guys very inspirational

[@BeYogaStrong-CoffeeCounty]

Triple Canopy controlled the Government Center with 2/4 in early 2004. We were all one team back then. Much respect to the Magnificent Bastards! Great topic and show! Sending love and strength!

[@GoFish51]

This is incredible stuff. I applaud you all for telling the truth and shedding light on the narrative of what really happened over there.

[@casbornstudios]

Takes King KONG size balls to open this door and talk like men about something as sensitive as this subject matter, Jay you quarterbacking the essence of real mentorship. Outstanding job gentlemen

[@kenmatthews7065]

Thank you for the truth and for your service and honest leadership.

[@patriotexx]

Thank you gentlemen so much for doing this, it has been a pretty well known thing for a very long time but mostly scuttlebutt, the truth will set us all free.

[@mahersalthomas1739]

For some reason I believe these Marines more than Jocko. These guys don’t seem like they are doing this for clout. Jocko seems like a clout chaser, also Chris Kyle lied about punching Jesse Ventura.

[@oiuytv]

And sniping looters during hurricane Katrina. Just makes you question everything else

[@jayr3381]

and also lied about how he chased down some robbers in Texas killing them. Then he apparently told the officers on scene to call the Pentagon to confirm who he is, they did so and as a result, let him go.

[@mahersalthomas1739]

@@oiuytvI actually think Chris Kyle killed looters during the hurricane. That story I do believe.

[@8551-w5v]

In addition, we had Marines who acted unprofessionally as well. We're not robots as some people believe. I was fortunate enough to not witness any unjust actions from the Marines, Sailors and ODAs with whom I worked. These Raiders, SEALs and SF men should be proud of their service and contribution to keeping America safe and secure in challenging times. OORAH Warriors

[@bittnerbs]

100%. On our pre-deployment leave, several Marines in my unit did drugs. As soon as we got back from leave, they pissed hot. I think it was intentional because they were scared to go to Fallujah. Our unit decided not to tell us who pissed hot until we got to Fallujah. They then stripped them of their firearms and made them police call the FOB from sunrise to sunset every day, while their buddies were out fighting the biggest battle that the Marine Corps had been in since Vietnam.

[@EvilGNU]

Time for Jocko to show some "extreme ownership". But nah, don't think that'll ever happen.

[@obamavariant9128]

Do you think the rest of the veterans will take ownership of 200,000 civilian casualties in Iraq?

[@johnnyfamous]

​@@obamavariant9128 almost all of them are from airstrikes and missiles. Infantry on the ground especially living in the city is way too personal to be just waxing civilians. Sorry to rock your narrative

[@fanaticnomadicadventures6139]

I see your the type of person who bileves every thing you hear 🤡🤡🙊🤡🤡

[@docbryant]

Further validates my decision to not associate myself with the military anymore. I was just a run of the mill, one tour 8404 Corpsman, mind you. The "needs of the Navy" kept me bored and/or behind a desk, which is why I left. And when I see guys like Willink, Kyle, Marcinko, who had careers that were orders of magnitude more significant than mine, mucking things up ... I just don't have the words. Thanks for the podcast. Oorah.

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

Eddie Ray Routh (a Marine) was in Iraq at the same time as TF Bruiser (circa 2007). Did he perhaps feel that TF Bruiser may have been responsible for Marine Corps deaths (perhaps friends of his ?), eventually resulting in his shooting of Chris Kyle ?

[@brucepeckham6043]

That's the most interesting theory I've heard - would make some sense if so - why else would he have done it at that shooting range??

[@bigfootwithinternetconnect2330]

Crackpot theory, but holy shit does it make sense

[@jameslong4929]

You can always count on a Marine to have integrity and do what's right. It's a shame it occurred but it's definitely overdue this has been called out publicly. Definitely wasn't conduct becoming a US serviceman. Thank you to the Marines and Seal who came forward to tell the truth on this matter.

[@sidanx7887]

Man everyone was doing crazy stuff - everywhere

[@Im_Old_Gregg]

You can't always count on everyone in any organization that size. There will be shitbags in every group of people of sufficient size.

[@patrickjohnson3862]

You must not know the Marine Corps’ Motto. Lie, Cheat, & Steal

[@sentfromdaniel]

Not a vet here. But I 100% have always thought something was too perfect about all these cats and am happy to hear that nobody is as perfect as they are in their own comic books. I don’t think you’re angry vets! You guys and the antihero podcast dudes are the real deal exposing truths! Thank you from just an athletic electrician! The Blue Collar Way!

[@PatrickWalker-gh6hm]

Carlos hathcock was perfect in Vietnam

[@willhound2]

Thank you all for stepping up. I’m a former Marine with 1/8 & 2/2 pre 10 year war.

[@tuefelhunden3391]

No such thing as former.

[@willhound2]

@@tuefelhunden3391 there’s no such thing as an ex Marine. A former Marine is a Marine that served and is no longer active.

[@tuefelhunden3391]

@willhound2 “A Marine is a Marine. I set the policy two weeks ago - there’s no such thing as a former Marine. You’re a Marine, just in a different uniform and you’re in a different phase of your life. But you’ll always be a Marine because you went to Parris Island, San Diego or the hills of Quantico.” Commandant, General James F. Amos Former= having previously filled a particular role or been a particular thing. So "Once a Marine always a Marine" isn't a thing to you I guess.

[@dbehrends-x9c]

506 Infantry (ARMY) experienced terrible things, too on the other side of Ramadi. Listen to these guys. I was kind of treated like a crazy guy for years when I would speak of my disdain for Team 3 with people that were not there. We need to support our brothers and our professionalism and make it right. Be the proper role models for our little brothers and sisters serving today and tomorrow.

[@Techgnome21]

Thank you all for your service and integrity!!

[@featheredserpentofthewest2049]

Absolute facts. I was there, and I was at Habbaniyah. The SOF guys and other Army elements were extremely professional . The SEALs were absolutely reckless( and were replaced by a group of 'older SEALs . We called "Redbull" ) and would make the battlespace hot . Camp Blue Diamond was down the MSR from us.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

EVEN THE PUNISHER didn't actually wear skulls on his uniform. While he was most certainly a brutal Marine, and guilty of war crimes, he didn't walk around flaunting BS like that.

[@bittnerbs]

WTF are you talking about?!?! 😂😂😂

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@bittnerbs if you don't know, that's a you problem.

[@441rider]

@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 Or pan handle on YT with traumatic stories based on some vets that are lost serving. Families deserve money if their kid's stories are making others content engaging.

[@TonioD49]

Guys from literally every SOF unit in the US military wore punisher skulls at one point or another…what a stupid thing to care about.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@TonioD49 I don't, but the bottom line is that Punisher didn't wear it, while he was a Marine. He only did when he actually became Punisher.

[@Underrated_Clips]

I worked near / around / hell I perhaps even with you fellas during the mid 2000 years… I am still in uniform and try to live by and enforce the same values you all are espousing. So I’m with you there. While the lessons explained in extreme ownership are often basic infantry tactics with different names, I still don’t find a whole lot of fault with the leadership lessons that have been taught through Jocko’s work. Even the book Blood Stripes paints an entirely different picture than what I saw with my own two eyes working with that unit at that time (the book didn’t even mention us). So… if possible, can you please help me understand what it is that you guys want me to take away from all of these podcasts? Truth is in the eye of the beholder, time and perspective changes things, and there are lots of tall tales over the years. The new guests on this podcast are not exactly accusing anyone in particular of war crimes either. Is the seemingly foggy and unprovable nuanced hit piece worth the effort? None of Jocko’s books or podcasts make want to go murder people. War made me dislike killing a lot actually, but I will if I have to, just like all of you I’m sure. Im lost in the sauce here. In grunt speak… I no comprestand the mission or the strategic objective.

[@SFMF247]

Idols and false Gods

[@seanheaney8303]

The point is honesty and integrity.... the NUMBER 1 value of leadership is respect you garner & the integrity you carry yourself with. Would you want to learn about leading a television network from Harvey Weinstien or a Music Mogul from P.Diddy? Basic leadership isn't a hard concept or a complex one, we don't need people like jocko and so many other teaching it. From all the info coming to light it seems very likely jocko is basically a fraud, a poor leader, potential supporter of Cowboy tactics, proponent of targeting civilians and even some potential of governmental contract fraud. Was he protected by the Navy probably every navy seal story seems to change to be big and heroic and for the past 5 years it seems many iconic/ well known heroic missions were revealed to be concocted stories. The navy seals are a brand at this point and brand that the parent company is doing everything to protect. Jockos response was very weak, he played on the heart strings and the BROTHERS narrative but gave little fact to back up his own defense. This video demolished any rebuttal he had. What is the point you say ? The point is to right a wrong, men lost their lives because of jockos careless and cowboy like behavior. Whether he encourage the behavior to become famous or was just a terrible leader of men and lacked the ability to keep them in line doesn't matter. His behavior even if it cost 1 Marine or 1 combat engineer life is unjustified. People have had to suffer with knowing these things and witnessing these things w NO voice for decades. It's time people like jocko are exposed. Why learn how to be a leader from a person who potentially/ seemingly was a terrible leader and possibly was even worse a criminal or bad actor using his military service and self proclaimed hero status to build a brand worth millions. Let's teach the next generations leader be a terrible person and you will get too the top.....

[@christopherdooley9893]

Great conversation and information guys. Four men of integrity there. Semper Fidelis.

[@yeahdavid8656]

As someone who did a significant amount of work on military law in law school, the issue fo ROE and accountability has always intrigued me. Having participated in multiple conferences and talks with individuals such as veterans and actual JAG, over related topics, it's interesting to hear about what is really going on down range.

[@armyco2]

Powerful stuff. All four individuals speaking out are, in my opinion, credible. Appreciate your service then AND NOW!

[@navagatingthroughthebeasts2908]

Yes i find them credible as well

[@thekitchen6378]

I’m not sure they are going to meet in a podcast. They are accusing him and his unit of war crimes. He’s probably talking to lawyers instead.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

There's no accusations. Bruiser actually did with the accusations say they did. You are still somehow missing the fact that there is mountains of evidence and proof buying this this isn't conjecture.

[@thekitchen6378]

@@JesusChrist2000BC So I live in America. Where you have to be found guilty in a court of law. Until that time task unit and Jacko are presumed innocent and these are still just accusations.

[@chanhowell43]

@@JesusChrist2000BC but where is the proof its all been hearsay? I've listened to them chirp on and on then Jocko responds and they go on some more. the comments from marines from 3/8 say contrary to their xo. One marine even goes and talks about how he (marine xo) had a lot of issues. So what is lie and what is proof?

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

There have been no lawyers because they know the evidence will obliterate their careers. Jocko and the rest of their Ilk stay silent and sweep it under the rug. It’s time to acknowledge how insane it would be to make up these claims about Jocko.

[@alexhill4727]

I was with 1/8 when we went to Ramadi in 2007, and we would have SEALs pass through our lines in the battlespace, and they would always let us know either by radio or Blue Force Tracker that they were passing through. On more than one occasion it was in civilian SUVs and wearing local dress, all of which they described. Stark contrast to TF Bruiser. 3/8 had an incredibly hard deployment in Ramadi. I spent significant time during our workup watching all the combat footage I could of 3/8 to get an idea of what lay ahead of us. Our Battalion Gunner had been with 3/8 and he was a wealth of knowledge. The Anbar Awakening occurred just as we got in country and it went from kinetic operations to security operations. I am glad I got to play a small part in ensuring the sacrifices of the prior Army and Marine units in Ramadi weren't wasted on my watch. Obama fucked all that up losing the city to the Islamic State, but that's another story.

[@ericdeming7748]

Thanks for your 1st hand knowledge of the conduct of a normal professional SEAL group operating in your AO. That's the Teams I know and love.

[@marzmarch]

Jocko: well, of course someone said something and made some claims. They just want clicks and fame. They don’t know anything. Those things didn’t happen. Go buy my stuff.

[@FromACityThatSleeps]

Lol then all his followers will comment how authentic and convincing his rebuttal is. Unreal.

[@Kristawf]

I don’t understand how this video along with the past few on multiple podcasts hasn’t been viewed millions of times

[@monkeydan11b]

Gentlemen, thank you for having the courage to open up about this publicly and set the record straight.

[@stevensavegnago8689]

I appreciate you guys bringing this to light. Hopefully you can get more guys to come forward. And as far as loaning other units weapons, it will never happen

[@southpawmoose]

Some of the issues he brings up are remindingme of some of the complaints agaist PMCs like Blackwater... no clear chain of command, no respect for the regular forces... these are systemic problems. The regular joes are often the one left cleaning up after the "elite" smash and grab. What a mess.