Here’s Why The 6.2-Liter AMG V8 Was The Least Reliable AMG Engine Ever Built & Is Now A Total Legend

[@LegitStreetCars]

Take a guess at my new M156 equipped car. A little hint, it's white on black.

[@Rrrrrrrr836]

C63 AMG??

[@DBSSTEELER]

LegitStreetCars Its a R63 van.

[@JoesGoldenGarage]

I agree with the r63. Hard to find. Prices are getting nuts on well sorted ones. I can’t wait to see!

[@ionutluca7211]

C63 w204

[@briantracy1324]

Best guess on the tappets is that the factory reduced the diameter by a tiny amount so they wouldn't bind and would rotate better.. Any amount of oil shellac/varnish will cause problems... Try Auto-RX.com to "fix" a dirty engine IT FIXED the "VVT" system in my C230!! might work on an oil restricted/dirty adjuster in this engine,, then use a break-in/performance oil with zinc (1 qt) mixed with your full synthetic....

[@BanfordChester]

I have 15 friends who own the m156 AMG cars with this engine. No problems at all like what you are describing here. Me personally, I have a 2008 CLS 63 AMG 6.3 . Absolutely awesome car with absolutely no problems. The secret: Regular oil Changes, Every 5 years, replace Spark Plugs and Wires and Coil Packs. No bolt problems. Awesome Vehicle. Totally reliable and great at High Speed . I converted this car to 650 HP Naturally Aspirated. 0 to 60 in 2.79 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 10.179 seconds at a speed of 132.658 mph

[@alexandrubaginean7369]

650 ho n/a? How did you manage that? What upgrades?

[@cohenday1377]

My G if you have a M156 you should know it's a 6.2L

[@cohenday1377]

​@alexandrubaginean7369 He's talking shit, 650hp with a supercharger I believe but even with long tube headers, a better intake system, full cat delete and a dyno tune you'll realistically make 560-570hp. I've interact led with a lot of M156 owners and none of them have broken 600hp without forced induction. Oh and he claims his car is a 6.3L so either he's lying through his teeth or he's a gullible idiot.

[@tonyj5408]

very true my friend, i have a 2009 cl63 with 110k miles , runs like a champ , oil changes at 3 k miles and good maintenance and shes a champion !

[@BanfordChester]

@@cohenday1377 I know that it’s really a 6.2 + L, but I am not the Manufacturer. Mercedes Benz when it was first introduced, stated it was a 6.3 L . But you know that!

[@stefanocapponi1917]

I own one of these and have to say had a couples of issues mentioned. I also think that a 500 hp engine on a sedan is a lot. It’s supercar level power so you need to be prepared to spend a lot of money in preventive maintenance. My car has almost 50kmiles and puts a smile on my face every day. That comes at a cost. If you are worried get an extended warranty.

[@EBIndy]

Or just get the M113K. I won’t touch the M156 for the unreliability, low torque, and the gas guzzling.

[@chrisridebike8]

Great video. Former C63 owner here. Had the headbolts, lifters, and injectors replaced preventatively. I’d also recommend the plastic idler pulleys get replaced with some type of billet pulleys.

[@stefangeorgiev5855]

Sir, if I may ask, how much did you pay for it? Thanks!

[@huntermusk7613]

@@stefangeorgiev5855 Lots (too much).

[@A.korabi]

My c63 2010 how to know if they are replaced or not has 80kmiles

[@chrisridebike8]

@@stefangeorgiev5855 for all that…$7,000 but they pulled the heads, cleaned and decked them and replaced the valve stem seals also.

[@chrisridebike8]

@@A.korabi receipts. Or pull the valve cover and look at the bolt heads. You might be able to get a boroscope inside the oil cap and see a bolt head but I can’t remember. It’s unlikely they were replaced. Most owners don’t replace them unless they pop

[@Nick-bb7bx]

These issues are easy repairs that don’t just present themselves out of no where leaving you on the side of the road. It’s a 6.2L engine that is capable of over 500hp in 2007

[@bearsgarage272]

M113 for the win! Mine still runs smooth after 220k miles

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

After watching this, I am very proud of my $6K S63 with 175K miles. Old video, still helping guys like me today! Happy New Year!

[@musterchef9031]

6K?? how the hell did you get one for 6k. wow

[@christianjohnz]

@@musterchef9031 200k miles thats why. there not meant to run that long

[@musterchef9031]

@@christianjohnz well i dont mind at all picking up one for 6k, damn

[@ThatTeaBagger]

@@christianjohnz all lies, they can easilly run 200+k miles.

[@osiris2908]

@@christianjohnz I'm running at 188k still runs like a champ

[@mr.roaddogwade7107]

I have an 09 SL63 AMG. It is a super car! One of the fastest best handling cars I’ve ever driven. No issues with engine. Only the usual others with time. Like convertible stuff. I love it but like some others here have said. Its cost a little to own it and care for it.

[@StormCentre88]

8:26 - it (the lubrication performance discrepancy between intake/exhaust camshafts) is a design defect for the M156. The camshaft's were originally too soft, but also the lubrication system design for the M156 and M159 should have included better lubrication to the (higher) intake camshafts. Strategically located pressure jets solve the problem and were used in some DTM AMG 6.2 Litre DOHC V8's. Aside from the above-mentioned issues (and the lifters, valve timing actuators, and injectors; which can all be replaced through a ~150K maintenance schedule); fundamentally, performance wise, the M156 is (as shown by the M159) a very well designed DOHC V8 Jim Stanley - Ex AMG powertrain engineer.

[@LegitStreetCars]

Thanks for your comment. Appreciate you coming in

[@StormCentre88]

@@LegitStreetCars No problems. The German AMG 6.2 Litre M156 DOHC V8 has its USA pushrod nemesis in Chevrolet’s 6.2 Litre V8. People argue all the time over whether a DOHC valvetrain alternative is better for the internal combustion engine, and also better for the Ford and/or Chevrolet’s pushrod V8 range. And, the AMG M156 and M159 (as well as the 7 Litre Mercury Racing SB4) DOHC V8’s platforms provide a good comparison point for that debate. Some of the Mercedes Benz AMG SLS Black Series coupe’s (~8 years ago) were pushing out 620 HP - straight from the factory - with their M159 6.2 Litre normally aspirated DOHC V8’s; and I know a few guys that - with only a few modifications and without turbos or superchargers - had them pushing out close to what the 7 Litre Mercury Racing SB4 DOHC V8’s are making; ~750 HP. Remember this is on pump gas. You're not getting that (pump gas) power output out of a normally aspirated 6.2 Litre LS platform (which I love) unless you run serious modifications, serious compression and serious camshaft; all of which would probably make the Chevrolet engine much less streetable than the above-mentioned Mercedes Benz 6.2 Litre DOHC engine; and also mean you would have to run race gas. I remember at the same time, in order to come close to the power output of the aforementioned AMG 159 6.2 Litre V8 (~460KW/620HP) fitted into the SLS Black series, the 6.2 Litre V8 Chevrolet required a supercharger; and that tells how effective a DOHC system can be. Given the popularity of the two 6.2 litre platforms, I'm surprised no-one has done a detailed engine based comparison on the 2, their heads, and their valvetrains. There’s a lot of superior benefits (over the pushrod design) and value associated with the AMG m156 and M159 DOHC design (which is why Nelson Racing Engines tried to develop a DOHC V8); including the fact that even if you do manage to design a pushrod V8 that flows (at max lift/flow) as good as the DOHC design the fact of the matter is that; A) The DOHC design will probably still flow better across most valve lift speeds/stages except maximum lift. B) The DOHC design will inherently allow for a higher compression ratio (for pump gas) to be reliably run than most 2 valve pushrod valve architecture V8s. C) The DOHC design will usually (if it is designed well) be without the traditional upper rev limits that the pushrod architecture possesses; as the DOHC - by comparison - has virtually no reciprocal weight and does not require the messy, heavy, and problematic (at high revs) lifter configuration that is essential to make the 2 valve V8 pushrod valve architecture work. D) The DOHC design provide for vastly superior performance and tuning functionality due to that mentioned above, including how it provides for independent control of lift and timing across both the inlet and exhaust valves. But, the DOHC 4 valve design will usually not provide all these benefits over the 2 valve pushrod valve architecture V8 at less cost; for the aforementioned reasons. That said (and I love both Chevrolet and Ford) there are good reasons the Ford 5 litre 4 valve DOHC modular V8 has won so many engine design awards, and some of those reasons are as above-mentioned; and also because there is only so much you can do (particularly in terms of efficiency; not necessarily power) with a 2 valve pushrod valve designed V8. But, it also must be said that for all the inefficiencies the 2 valve pushrod Chevrolet or Ford V8 has - and there are many of them - the fact of the matter is, if your target HP is up around 1200 then . . . . . You can usually achieve that cheaper, easier, and more reliably with an aftermarket LS based block and other suitable components. As the LS “system” is so refined and strongly supported by an aftermarket and the drag racing and custom car scene that LS based builds routinely push 1500HP so much that the 2 valve pushrod V8 option (particularly Chevrolets) simply wipes the board clean of any 4 valve DOHC architectural option advantage that may otherwise exist; particularly in terms of durability. And therein lies the confusion for so many people as to how/why 4 valve DOHC architectures are better. As so many people confuse that market superiority and big HP advantage as meaning that the 2 valve pushrod V8 architecture is better (engineering solution) than the 4 valve DOHC architectures. As good as the Ford (and many other OEM manufacturers) DOHC V8 is, I am not sure it - or even an aftermarket version of it - would hold up too well to modifications to the tune of 1500HP; like the aftermarket LS based 2 valve Chevrolet can. Which is why the aforementioned Mercury racing LS based 4 valve DOHC engines are so interesting; as you get the best of both worlds; the 4 valve DOHC architecture and all the reliability and aftermarket support that goes with the LS platform. I would love to get my hands on one of those Mercury racing 9 litre (LSX based) DOHC 4 valve V8’s. With a little bit of effort you could easily have a ~550 cubic inch normally aspirated LS based 4 valve DOHC V8 that puts out 1200 HP at 9000 rpm; that comes with none of the issues that often come with intake manifold pressurization systems like turbochargers and superchargers. Still, due to all the above factors, if you’re planning a build and your target is close to 1500HP there is no way you will hit that target with a 4 valve DOHC V8 architecture at the same reliability, aftermarket support, and cost points as a typical 2 valve pushrod Chevrolet LS based V8 - even though the 4 valve DOHC architecture is a technically superior option. And, I say that with confidence, as I remember some of the issues the M159 and M156 used to have in the DTM vehicles. That’s not to say the M159 and M156 can’t handle 800HP reliably, as not only, can they do so - but also, (because of their DOHC design; and provided its previously mentioned lubrication issues are addressed) they will live at a higher RPM longer than Chevrolet’s pushrod design will. In some races in Europe, for a while back there when the 5.5 Litre M157 V8 was Mercedes' modern love child, race teams would often swap it out for the old M156 platform. Built/maintained correctly it's one of the best V8's ever. As they say; there is many a slip between a cup and a lip.

[@SLO722]

Jim Stanley Hello Jim, thank you for your detailed and insightful comment. Could you tell us what you know about the Mercedes 7G transmission and why it's so dim witted compared to the equivalent ZF transmissions used by BMW and Porsche at the time. I'm told it's a range of issues such as the 'poorly engineered' mechatronic module, mediocre solenoids, sub-optimal configuration of the gear set. Thanks in advance.

[@StormCentre88]

@@SLO722 Whoa, where to start? Assuming you're talking about the 722.9 . . . Putting aside some pure mechanical considerations/oversights, I can probably answer your question (and direct readers to, if not the major, then at least one, source of most of the experienced problems with this gearbox) in a simple sentence . . . The Siemens transmission control unit/module. Cheers, Jim.

[@vahebaldemian]

Sir, i have an 09 CL63 with a vin that is before the imroved parts. At 79k miles now, i just started getting the low coolant light. I am not a mechanic. What advice do you have? Is it time to let her go?

[@scryla2000]

Omg thank you for this video!!!!! Mine is an 07 w211 E63 with 126,000 miles. I have had none of these problems but they guy I bought it from kept meticulous maintenance records and kept it dealer maintained from new. I know how lucky I am with all of the problems this engine has.

[@BITTYBOY121]

I have a 2009 CLS 63 amg with the earlier M156 6.2 V8 which has the silver-grey aluminum valve covers and it is supposed to be one of those M156's that is affected by the head bolt issues etc... but my car runs strong and has covered 35,723 miles with no problems or misfires of any kind. It could be the lower mileage... but I read somewhere on the Internet that someone's M156 suffered the head bolt issue at only 17,000 miles !!! It just goes to show. I love the sound of the M156, you just cannot beat this sound and the power delivery is great ! M156 is a legend :)

[@robertgray6631]

Just wondering what size wheels do you have on your sl 63? Looks like 22”? Thanks

[@BITTYBOY121]

@@robertgray6631 I don't have an SL63, my car is a CLS63 (W219 shape) with 19 inch wheels. I now also have a 2010 W212 E63 AMG with the same 6.2 m156 engine as the CLS63 and that also has 19 inch alloy wheels too. I am not sure what the SL63 AMG has as standard from the factory, I presume it was also 19 inch wheels ?... I dare say some people might have fitted 20 inch wheels or maybe 22 inch with very low profile tires... I know that 22 inch wheels did come as standard on the 2007-2010 ML63 AMG. Sorry that I can't be of anymore help - Enjoy your SL63 AMG - Cool car !

[@magnificentballer]

I'm confused don't the cls 63 s AMG have a 5.5L ?

[@BITTYBOY121]

​@@magnificentballer The first generation 2004 to 2010 w219 CLS AMG came with either a supercharged M113 5.4 V8 engine (the w219 CLS 55 AMG made 2004 - 2006) or an N/A 6.2 M156 V8 engine (the w219 CLS 63 AMG made 2006 - 2010). The second generation CLS 63 AMG model (the w218 CLS 63 AMG model made 2010 - 2017) had the newer Bi-Turbo M157 5.5 V8 engine only. The 6.2 N/A M156 V8 engine was never used in the newer w218 CLS model. Hope you now understand.

[@zollotech]

Check out Tasos Machatos from the UAE. He has many videos about lifter and camshaft lobe failures. He tends to think it is an oiling issue as they aren’t always ceased.

[@LegitStreetCars]

He's the best

[@ELWIN225]

LegitStreetCars he is great but it’s hard to follow his thoughts. Your content is organized much better. Please show us how to replace head bolts one at a time

[@TheHonro]

This is actually the case. MB actually changed the recommended oil to use to 5w40, however some people still use 0w40 which is just too thin - especially in the warmer climates. In the UAE for example, they use 10w40.

[@jae9843]

Was going to mention him. He has some recent vids about manufacturing defects in brand new OEM M156 cams, specifically the oil passages weren't drilled out properly. And reading some of the comments in those vids, it doesn't seem to be an isolated issue nor does it seem relegated to any particular country of manufacture. Someone in the comments mentioned they bought brand new cams made in Germany that had this defect.

[@kevhauser8058]

@@TheHonro I am using 10w60 . I also use Lubegard in the engine.

[@onthegasapparel7717]

I have a 2013 C63AMG and love it! The sound and pull makes me smile ear to ear. Pick the latest models you can with this engine.

[@robertcooke8684]

I own two c63s, 2009 saloon and a 2012 Black Series coupe...... had them both from new, Love these babys so much!!!! N/A V8s....awesome just awesome motors.....

[@slaykay47]

@@robertcooke8684 no u didnt shut up broke ass

[@dr.emmettbrown5345]

@@robertcooke8684 broke ass nigga

[@yhelloh]

@@slaykay47 lmfao you dumb ass click on his channel he has a black series video

[@yhelloh]

@@dr.emmettbrown5345 you look so dumb right now

[@EaseLdk]

Pump those m156 videos out so we can start preventative maintenance from home plz!

[@integrafreak1]

aaaand even after all of this, I STILL WANT IT

[@Corsa15DT]

And people still want gorgeous stripper with aids. Is normal.

[@sonofprince4124]

I have really enjoyed mine since I don't drive mine much at all just for pleasure, I have not had any of these issues.

[@VinceroAlpha]

@@Corsa15DT settle down Beavis, no need for an extreme hyperbole to show your contempt for the engine.

[@H.S.H.M.]

Love this video...am so glad you actually went in depth & covered all these known issues with the M156, there are lots of misinformed car "youtubers" out there giving out false information saying this engine has absolutely no issues. I'm on my 2nd C63, my '09 with only 40k miles had lots of problems. My 2013 with 60k miles has noisy lifters constantly though I love the car for everything you've mentioned in the end.

[@alextorkelson6261]

H M. What kinds of issues have you had?

[@jgripen969]

It’s worth mentioning that these engines need their oil changed every 4300~ miles; and yes, there’s a huge difference between different oils. Castrol Magnatec fully synthetic oil is garbage oil, meanwhile Castrol Edge fully synthetic oil is very, very good oil. Make sure you buy the right oil for your engine: it doesn’t matter if it’s fully synthetic, it can still be shit oil.

[@H.S.H.M.]

@@jgripen969 Yep these engines are very sensitive to oil. I've only used Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech made from Germany along with 2 bottles of Ceratec on both my M156's & now use the same on my M157. Ends up being a $150 oil change doing the labor myself but I don't cheap out on the oil changes

[@jgripen969]

H M. Try using AMG recommended oil instead and see if the engine is any quieter, it’s worth a shot.

[@mbz4652]

@@jgripen969Which oil is recommended by AMG?

[@bencrosbie]

Ah those things can be replaced by yourself and boom a reliable engine. I notice a missing door panel lol

[@josesibrio9959]

If you pay a lot of money you gotta get something reliable asdhole

[@josesibrio9959]

Fuck you ignorant fuck

[@fatboi9463]

@@josesibrio9959 tf is your problem? Go buy a Volvo or something

[@ericolsen67vw]

Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!

[@Sandy-oy2lr]

I have a 2013 Z06 LS7. So far, so good. I'm nearing 70Kmiles with no indications of excessive valve guide wear. I get the oil sampled at the oil changes at Blackstone Labs. So far, there's been no wearable metals detected in the oil. Especially with titanium. I've read the valve drop issues were mostly involved with 2008-2010 engines. In Feb of 2011, GM told Linamar Machining to start doing a 100% inspection process on their heads. Seems to've worked. This engine in a sub 3200 lb car is absolutely terrifying at full chat above 4800. And it's smooth as silk. I absolutely love it. Hot Rod magazine purchased a long block crate LS7 for a project. After break-in, they ran base numbers. Installed, a bone stock LS7 does about 520-525 bhp and 490 lb-ft. And I average 22-24 mpg, and past 2 oil changes, no additional oil in 10Kmiles on each change. It's a real treat to drive.

[@thejetdirect7381]

I’m a proud owner of a S63 AMG 156 no issues and by far my favorite car I ever owned out of all 20 cars I’ve owned. Never getting rid of it!

[@jordanganthier6550]

My first car is a 2013 and I had it for 4 months and now watching this video, I'm definitely buying the extended warranty now

[@ptzish]

This was one of my favorite videos so far. I really appreciate insight into the real life issues with these cars. There aren't many people doing what you do. Thank you!

[@LegitStreetCars]

Thanks Phillip. It took some time to make but I'm really happy with how it turned out. Alex

[@theeverythingchannelyt548]

Mercedes is going to make you take this video down. Great video.

[@samp700sp]

Looks like they made him take down the bulletin for the head bolts and cam shaft

[@kaseyschutz]

Great points Alex but I'm still offended lol! I love the m156! My w211 I bought with ARP studs already done. My w221 S63 doesn't have them but with almost 100k miles I would already see signs of head bolt stretch. A lot of the lifter, tappet, bucket, adjuster noises/sounds are related to oil.. since these engines burn oil with lots of higher rpm driving most people don't top off and continue to abuse causing accelerated wear on those oil dependent parts. With consistent oil changes and keeping the proper level those damages can be prevented. Don't forget the intake gasket leaks which seems to be pretty common and even the intake manifold itself have had cases of corrosion which creates a nightmare on diagnosing. OH... and pulleys are designed poorly for being such a high revving engine. As always, love the videos! Keep up the great work!

[@evilz33]

First 10 minutes you had me about to write up my craigslist listing on my early model e63. Last 5 minutes you had me closing my craigslist window. Also love this video series where you walk us through the pitfalls of owing bargain German muscle cars with expensive parts.

[@Antimatter.]

Don’t worry the American high performance cars are getting up there in price , and there parts

[@evilz33]

Antimatter what do you mean “don’t worry”? Expensive parts are very worrying no matter the origin of the car!

[@Antimatter.]

evilz33 People that owned American cars bashed people for owning cars that were built overseas when something breaks its expensive, Now that American cars are getting just as expensive and so are there parts , what I meant by don’t worry I was being sarcastic

[@TannerScott365]

evilz33 you interested in selling it?

[@evilz33]

TSA Productions well anything’s for sale. It’s a 07 with 40k miles pretty good condition. Feel free to pm me your offer.

[@9N3Driving]

My engine went last August on my 2007 E63, when coolant display showed I turned it off. Had a top engine rebuilt and runs light new. Engine went when I hit 83k miles. Great show Alex.

[@georgemedina3712]

Wow..that sucks ..I traded my 07 e63 with 163k and I miss her .. .. going for a s63 or cls63 in the near future

[@rlscustoms]

Great video Alex just one more issue with them, the intake manifolds leak air, especially the plate the throttle bodies bolt up to, not sure what material its made of but it literally corrodes and causes holes that leak air causing a lean condition, it’s an easy fix as there are quite a few companies offering aluminum replacements for it. Just did one last week. Have another one coming in with broken head bolts that needs attention, that one is getting a blower while I’m at it!

[@baddazzgarage2953]

The c 63 is my favorite 2 door car ever! The 6.2 is a magical engine it sounds like no other,revs hard and and pulls forever! The issues are fixable but if you change oil very regularly i believe most issues will be avoided! Nothing great comes easy and any race engine is not hugely reliable! Id like to no if the falty parts used were actually lighter to help performance! But any race car engine needs to be highly cared for if you want a reliable everyday car buy the appropriate vehicle! If you want excitement buy a sports car but you will have to look after it!! Nothing comes for free!

[@rhpham2]

Wish you had made this video last year. After a bad experience of trying to buy an e55, I had an great opportunity for an 08 e63 in Dec of 2018. I never felt so intimidated of an engine before. After putting 3k in work in trying to get it back to stock, I was afraid to push it because of the issues you noted reading all forums. Loved the look; amenities, and sound of raw power. Other than the constant brake squeal with new pads and lube; what really pushed me over was the fact of this grease smell that came from the rear end that permeated the cabin if I left the windows open when driving. I speculated it had to do with drive train but even a European specialty shop could not diagnose or probably didn’t even want to bother with. After putting up with and out so much money I just had to sale it for the safety of my family. First experience with Mercedes but probably my last as I came from a line of Toyota cars. I have never seen issues such as these before on any forums or Mercedes videos. I was done.

[@OnDUBzProductions]

this channel is a wealth of knowledge to Mercedes owners or future owners, keep up the quality work Alex! thanks

[@Joseph-vj2ph]

Is it just me or is that SL driver side door missing interior door panel?

[@NatoriousGamePlay]

It's missing

[@gussosa6180]

I second that ! I noticed too ! Good Eye !

[@jediael9906]

It either is it or isn't there's no need for that "is it just me" business

[@Rick2010100]

SL - Sport Light, presumably a further weight saving upgrade.

[@colinsdad1]

So the non existent door AND the rattles heard in the video are optional?

[@PhilSteinberg]

I had one year 2007 that I brought to 190'000 km before swapping for a 5.5 model 2012 I haven't been tender with it, driving "rally" style whenever I can. Have not had one single engine problem. I swapped for aging started to bring other problems, and a bill coming to over 20k (suspension, intake pipe, electric problems, gas pump etc...) Now as much as the 2012 bi-turbo has many improvements, I wish I had the 156 engine to install in place of the bi-turbo one. Mythical, magical.

[@taylormoats2099]

Thanks for posting this, now M156 owners will purge themselves of their C63’s so I can buy two!

[@DennisAlexioAndyHug]

Lol

[@kingchief12]

Been searching on autotenpest 😂

[@embajadoresboy4535]

As we speak mine is getting a hand wash and hand wax. Lol

[@mirlonio]

Dan Collins , did you bought it ?

[@tadastolusas3306]

I guess I got a lucky one Mine is 2013 ML 63with 160.000 miles and no problem so far

[@TheHonro]

The only other issue I think is worth noting is the engines that had the plastic black valve covers - iirc all engines after 2010 is they WILL crack and leak oil at some point. Its in fact that common, that a lot of dealerships and aftermarket shops are always sold out of them and its usually a 2-3week wait to get new ones. Good news is, they are VERY easy to replace if you have little engine knowledge :)

[@sussytiktoks4142]

yeah i need to replace the left side of mine, they run around 460 each

[@maxshirk2711]

When the "M" logo shows up talking about rod bearing wear HAHAHAHA. Well done Alex, another great video. My bet is you went with a late first gen CLS 63, with the head bolts already done.

[@AKars]

Max Shirk too funny hahahah

[@monkkeye]

Even though it was a defect it wasn't common failure.

[@talkditingsdem5799]

This guy is exaggerating. They're so few AMG's that suffer from any of these issues. I have a 2010 w219 cls63 AMG and I put 133k trouble free miles on it. He don't know what he is talking about and is just reading from old AMG forums which of course will only post people with these issues. The other thousands and thousands of M156 owners are not going to post their issues if they do not have any. I never met or known of anyone with the M156 with any of these issues. This video was unnecessary in my opinion.

[@gelbronson4ow130]

@@talkditingsdem5799 do you have any shareable knowledge on the reliability on the w222 s class?

[@tonyferdaise5292]

I have a 2008 E60 M5, with 6spd manual. It was a special ordered car (in BMW speak an Individual ordered car) full loaded, head up, sports seat, it has 83K miles on, I paid $17K. Purchased from the original owner with all documentation Dinan exhaust, ECU, and Intake. I had the rod bearing done, $3500. It's an amazing car, I like the E55/63 that was my back up purchase, but each cars have their own issues. I did a lot of research before my purchase .

[@58fins]

I am a Benz tech (independent shops only) for the past 25 years. I remember these same kind of issues on the old M103 straight 6 , as well as some on the old M117 V8's. And the OM 601, 602, 603 dizzel engines. Soft cams, and followers, rocker arms,etc.. I love Mercedes cars, and have owned a number of them over the last 20 years. I always wondered how they could let these kind of things slip by, and wondered if it was an issue with their sub contract companies not following specs. (i have heard that was the case in a number of instances). Like your videos, and you are even teaching an old dog like me a thing or two!

[@Nissannx2000svg]

My head bolts gave out on my E63 at 74,000 I had them replaced at Mercedes Benz, while they were in there they changed the bucket shims and replaced the injectors, I change the oil between 4000-5500 miles. I love my car and nothing sounds like it

[@douglazamar8889]

how much did it cost?

[@Roderickdl]

@@douglazamar8889 This answer will dictate my getting an E63.

[@Nissannx2000svg]

Doug Lazamar strange plug but I made a video of how much it cost , $5555 for it all

[@b58forever]

I believe I saw your video you have a white e63 with black front grill?

[@Vinsanity503]

@@Nissannx2000svg I just bought a 2011 E63 AMG. Looking to get those parts replaced. What Mercedes dealership did you go to? Did you still have a warranty? What's your IG to message you there.

[@safetyscrewmarket]

Great video! Just purchased the CL63 45k miles. Absolutely loved this car and I hate to get out of it. My SS Camaro was my daily, but has quickly become my 2nd car LOL!!!. So much power and fully loaded luxury. What a fucken car. And now that they've stop making the S63, this will become once of the great AMG vintage cars on the road. Nothing like it.

[@evannelson9327]

I have an 07' E63... I do love the car, but it has definitely not been a low maintenance car. Mine has almost 120k miles now. Bought it at 55k as a one owner car with clean title and in near perfect condition. So far, I've had the airmatic airbags go out and replaced with Arnott (highly recommend Arnott as opposed to OEM!), replaced radiator, engine mounts, pcv valve, intake manifold gaskets, radiator hoses, heater control valve, control arms, ball joints, radiator reservoir tank, 3 cams, all 32 lifters, and the transmission and torque converter, all out of necessity. As preventative maintenance I did have the headbolts done but they had not yet failed after 118k miles. As I write this, my car is at the local dealer for some of the items on this list including the transmission swap (went with a Renntech build), headbolts, cams, and lifters. My original transmission completely failed at 118k miles or so, however this being my first high performance car, it was admittedly my fault. I didnt service the transmission every 30-40k miles as one should so I accept that as my own fault. Valve body/conductor plate failure is common as well in the early model amg's with the 722.9 trans. When the car is running at optimal performance, it's an amazing car, and if you can afford the maintenance, it's definitely worth owning one. I've probably spent $30k or more on maintenance in the 3.5 years since I bought mine, and I am a big DIY guy for most stuff. If I'd had the dealer do everything, would've been easily over $50k by now. These cars tend to chew through brakes and rear tires in the blink of an eye, so that's important to keep in mind also. All in all it's been a great pleasure owning mine though... when it's working. 😂

[@ricky4638]

Evan Nelson learn how to drive

[@evannelson9327]

@@ricky4638 I drive fine. I actually drive mine like it was built to be driven unlike most of the chumps that own an AMG. Perhaps your comment would have more accuracy of application to any of the drivers in any Prius, BMW, or Subaru group ever formed. Ever.

[@prod.offline]

@@evannelson9327 hey c'mon now, 335i tuner on an e92, us oem brothers gotta stick together merc or bmw!:)

[@bassel.m2988]

@@evannelson9327 I like that you drive it the way it should be, but ignorant people will think your driving slow and getting those problems.😂 Cheers, enjoy it, their made to shred the roads.

[@bassel.m2988]

@@ricky4638 no, you dont buy a E63 amg to drive like a pussy, if you're too calm for it get a E240 and enjoy a 2.4 litre engine with no maintenance required.

[@carlosmunoz3911]

I own a c63 coup and im never ever ever ever selling it. Puts a smile on my face everytime. I dont care what anyone says!! 🤷

[@marthleon1715]

Ive had two w204 C63s, about 60k miles between both of them w/bolt ons. No issues butbi was always on top of maintenance.

[@neilwattoo]

Dont ever wanna sell my M156 CL63. Still looks and feels brand new. So beautiful. It has had issues tho, and they cost a ton of money. I'm the original owner. Taken incredible care if it, still has the brand new tags around the headrests :) Lately it sits in the garage cuz I'm a lil scared it will fail on me. Thanks for the great info.

[@ELWIN225]

Everybody who wants Alex to do head bolt replacement click lIke on this. It is possible to replace one bolt at a time which is doable at home and cheap

[@johnh2937]

prolly not....head warping and gasket stress

[@ELWIN225]

@@johnh2937 too many people have done it on mbworld.org even on cars with high mileage without issues.

[@jermainephillips5179]

They did this on the Ford power stroke 6.0 .replaced 1 at a time with studs👍 it's doable

[@teleplace2639]

Buy a car for 10s of thousands of dollars, made with inferior parts?????" (Merce-pleez)

[@thomaskelley6230]

I had them swap the bolts one at time when I got the cams/buckets fixed. No issues after 5k+ miles of driving like I stole it everyday. I have not seen anyone on the forums report any issues doing it this way.

[@ndg49]

The absolute loudest car I've ever owned was a 1969 Z/28 Camaro. After the pro valve job (ported, polished, screw-in studs, double roller timing chain, special springs, pushrods, lifters, etc) the shop estimated it had about 410hp. With the headers (1 5/8" Hooker headers) and Thrush glass packs, it was deafening. people could hear me at home when I was getting onto the highway about a mile away. I quickly installed turbo Corvair mufflers which greatly reduced the noise. That 5 liter Chevy small block was a great engine. I never changed the cam (327 fuelie cam), or intake manifold (allegedly an Edelbrock) but I did use a mechanical advance distributor and an Accel coil. Needless to say, I needed a Lakewood bellhousing, with a completely new clutch assembly (50lb flywheel, and special disc with a stronger plate). I also installed another pair of ubolts around the rear end (3.73:1 posi) and leaf springs (only had a pair from the factory) to hold it in place. With the adjustable Konis and low profile high speed rated radial tires (when they first came out), that car handled well at very high speed. Memories... So, yeah... my hearing is not as good as it should be because of all those days in the early 70's with a very loud car and open window (no A/C). Sigh.

[@joea1746]

Although I don't have an AMG Mercedes watching this video really opened my eyes. It's been 3yrs since I got my very first Mercedes-Benz with only 1,300 miles on it. A E400 V6 twin turbo and it's been an awesome vehicle so far with current miles around 16,576. I got the vehicle with prepaid maintenance and oil for life since I plan to keep the vehicle for years to come. I'm old school so I prefer to change the oil in between the schedule maintenance that's why I got the oil for life option. Really appreciate your knowledge of these vehicles which can be very expensive to have. But dam! they are fun to drive and feel awesome!

[@benscanlon8312]

Hey guys, I have just purchased my 09 C63 and low and behold (after being told by the seller that Mercedes has checked the car and this vehicle wasnt affected) I now have coolant lights and check oil lights and check engine light as well as a murky cloudy film all over the oil cap. Trying to work out which is the best way forwards now. I have been told replacing and flushing the engine will not resolve the long term problems of bearings failing as the glycol wont flush out of the bearings completely which leads to bearing failure. So suggest a full rebuild/engine replacement. Does anyone have any experience they can share with engines that have had head bolts fail? Obviously not running the car any longer as these lights showed up a few times but now have lost a lot of coolant. Appreciate the help.

[@windstream81]

I have had my W211 for a little over year and it's still more reliable than my wife's 2012 E70 Bimmer. Super stoked to see what you do to this engine in hopes of replicating it myself.

[@gilgonzalez5902]

Your wife’s BMW must have the N63 engine which is a horribly unreliable engine. Ironically in 2012 if you got the E70 with the 6 cylinder gas or Diesel engine they are completely bulletproof… go figure. (Im a Bmw guy)

[@wailfaridi2070]

Fun fact Mercedes still uses the 6.3l NA V8 in its AMG GT3 race car

[@manuelramirez1000]

My 07 E63 has been completely solid for the past two years of ownership. Not one single issue. With proper maintenance the E63 AMG in my opinion is One of the biggest bang for your bucks vehicle you can purchase.

[@AuslanderY]

"Would suck up an animal if it could" 😄😄 Loved it!

[@Enjoythevroom]

I had two injectors that went out and I was lucky to pull over. Both cylinders hydrolocked but, because I shut down quickly no rods were bent! I replaced all the injectors in my SL55 M133K engine for just over a hundred bucks. The injectors were defective and cheaply built now. It was not the engine's fault. This happened at 73K miles with a meticulously maintained SL55. I recommend changing your fuel injectors now regardless of mileage. NGKs to me are more reliable than factory Bosch...that are not made in Germany anymore. NGK are still made in Japan.

[@Enzo-tg8uo]

Do you get a warning prior to a fuel injector going out ?? Or does it happen spontaneously as you drive it 😅😢😢😢

[@StefanNedelja]

3:55 just buy that unreliable amg engine and replace with new bolts.

[@SamAbraham]

Currently own two M156s and one M159, a facelift ML63, C63 507, and a SLS GT Coupe. Only the ML63 required the upgraded the head bolts. Upgraded the SLS and ML63 lifters to the Black Series ones. Got my C63 used at 10,000 miles, and has an injector fail at 11,500 miles, but luckily all of them were replaced under warranty. I had an 09 SL63 which I replaced the lifters on multiple times which was odd, but I think that was even before the SLS Black Series existed. Great vid, pretty much sums up all the issues. Something random is that the ML63 chug oil like crazy... gotta add a quart every thousand miles. It’s been like that with the two ML63s I’ve had, but I’m told it’s normal. Love my cars, and this engine. All about that preventative maintenance, and preparation to replace things!

[@motobazuka2535]

I'd hate to sound fussy here but it's a 6.2L, not 6.3L.

[@chocOneOOne]

Take it you didn't make it all the way through

[@talk2thoran]

Ban comments until the end?

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

@@talk2thoran a decent preamble would suffice. "Within first minute" It's only 6.20004 litres or what have you. Instead, we get an ad...

[@salmansengul]

6208 ccm

[@johntechwriter]

It's a marketing move, Mercedes naming their highest-performance 6.2L V8 “63” as a tribute to the legendary 6.3L V8 that powered the 600 and a few other elite models from the early ‘60s onwards. Today's 63-designated engine has nothing in common with its ancestor.

[@mikekn7033]

I got a 2009 C63 bought new, traded my 911, still have , no problem whatsoever. Love it.

[@Notorious40z]

I plan on buying a 2013-2015 C63 , figure buying the last two years of the M156 since the kinks have all been worked out.

[@robertcooke8684]

Hope you got that motor...... V8 magic!!!

[@LewisHamiltonScuderiaFerrari]

2007 E63 140,000 Miles Daily Driver. I purchased it at 40,000 Miles. Very reliable, no problems.

[@dev894]

Dumb question I just bought a 2010 C63, could I replace the head bolts one at a time to avoid having to have the head resurfaced and replace the gaskets?

[@chrisoconnor3119]

This is a practice that alot of owners DO! Im looking into an AMG engine. Doing my research

[@lhoanii]

Well Alex. I took the plunge and bought a 2012 c63 amg. AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!!! THANK YOU! Lol. I love the car so far. Mine is a 2 door so I got the awesome roof and it has red/black interior with the carbon fiber trim. I think that it's awesome. Nice enough to take on a date yet powerful enough to satisfy my juvenile tendencies! ( at my age, juvenile tendencies are kinda rare) Thanks again as I have no hesitation to work on it when it eventually becomes necessary.

[@fomavictorevitch]

Three of my AMG's had this engine. An ML63, an SL63, and an SLS. I NEVER had any engine problems, none. I drove these cars hard, I live in Europe in the mountains and did many long highway trips in France, Italy, Spain, and Germany. I always respected maintenance of course and used only the best lubricants and products. From what I note the engines you refer to are very old, perhaps this is the problem? As well, driving in USA at those bizarre restricted speeds the engines must rarely get to work as they're designed to.

[@stazang]

There is also a bulletin for intake manifold leak and also they can crack if the car is not driven often when to much moisture collects internally in the mass air flow area. Fingers crossed I have 150K on my m156. I do hear the clicking noise on cold start. I have been doing my oil every 5K actually. Thanks for all the updates on this motor you are right its scary but this is the best motor I have ever owned.

[@805NAVE]

The CL63 is a beautiful car tho. My uncle has a 2012 CL550, gorgeous car

[@chrisridebike8]

@15:40. It’s only tuning. Above 4,000 rpm, the non-P31 and non-61 cars start to shut the throttle bodies to keep the bigger S/E/CLS/etc cars having a higher output. A simple tune will give a standard C63 about 510-520 bhp.

[@MERKAMGCLK]

So glad my 3 AMGs are older models with the legendary M113!!!

[@gordonmccracken1209]

I purchased a CPO SL550 R230, both the Engine and Transmission were manufactured with Defects. My first and last Mercedes.

[@U--Bravo]

Absolutely great content, I love learning more about these things, and you truly are great at teaching, thank you. Subscribed also props to throwing shade at BMW

[@miketheboss5290]

Fr they are by far the worst!

[@stevekoffeld9071]

I have a 2013 C63 sedan with 43K miles all stock right now. Didn't know about the injector issue. There are a couple more problems you didn't mention. The cam cap bolts are also weak. Also the oil pan bed plate starts to leak after a while because there's no gasket and the sealer/glue used breaks down. Have to pull the engine to reseal it. ARP makes upgraded head bolts, cam cap bolts and cam phaser bolts that you can buy from a place like Weistec. Some recommend changing from Mobil 1 to a better oil like Motul for better overall engine wear. I'd also recommend getting the engine to normal operating temp before hammering on it or even revving it hard. An oil catch can like the one from Weistec may also be a good reliability upgrade for these. As for power, a Eurocharged tune will bring hp up to 540. Just install the tune and forget it because it's smog legal.

[@FirearmTutorials]

Interesting... I haven't heard of the fuel injector issue. Good info overall.

[@truth6pounds446]

I just bought a 07 saloon today. 164,000 miles and I have to say that despite the negatives.... If you truly love a Top shelf whip in your control.. This is the car other cars want to be....

[@johnwells9077]

I bought a used 2007 E63 in 2014 but eventually got bored with it due to having to drive it in heavy traffic most of the time and gave it to my wife who has used it for two years as a daily commuter. Almost 100k now and no real problems except for the air suspension but that was inexpensive thanks to Arnott replacement struts, actually much less pain and expense than the blown Magnerides on my Tahoe LTZ. I do all the maintenance. The last time the car saw a mechanic was at the pre-purchase inspection. We do have the recurrent P228F fault code that triggers the CEL from time to time and is all over the forums (for fuel pressure mine occasionally shows 10% over on the high side) . Supposedly Mercedes knows about that but isn't expected to come out with a fix. The car runs fine. It is extremely docile in traffic, until you open it up. I tend to think that many of the engine problems are caused by hard driving and cold, low or dirty oil. Oil temperatures are extremely important - it takes a while - about 15 minutes of driving at mild outside temperatures for oil to come up to the min. temp limit needed for performance driving. I decided to let my wife have it because on a car this complex I felt letting it sit as I was doing (I have a number of other cars) would cause more problems than it is worth. I've seen it before, I believe it needs to be run regularly (almost daily) to be reliable. In my opinion if you let it sit and take it out occasionally on weekends to beat on it you're asking for problems.

[@johnwells9077]

I would add unapproved oils and additives to the list of stuff to avoid. If it isn't on the Mercedes approved fluids list is does not go into the car. Also except for Arnott suspension parts, I only use OEM MB parts, period.

[@willmorrell488]

Was wondering when skillshare would get in touch. You've officially made it. Only the best channels have skillshare as a sponsor.

[@BrickyRecon]

Looking forward to future videos! I myself did exactly what your taking about. I got a great deal on a 2010 E63. I’ve changed the head bolts and the hydraulic followers myself.(valves) but the cams looked good. So they stayed. I’ll continue to keep an eye on them going forward. But the performance is great. I’m looking to add some more power as well. 👍👍👍👍

[@mujjuman]

damn this freaked me out about the 63 engine

[@strykz63]

If anyone is deciding to get an AMG with this motor... just save yourself the headache and get the updated engine.. which comes with black valve covers.. a lot of the defects were fixed. The only one I think they didnt fix was the cam adjuster issue.. I dont know why they didnt fix it... I guess job security for the techs and residual income for Benz... but all in all after the updates, it's a pretty good engine!!!!!!..... The BEAST or nothing!!!!!!

[@ohhellomatt]

The black valve covers only address the problem where the original silver ones warped due to heat. Everything underneath still inherits the same risks as all M156 engines.

[@strykz63]

@@ohhellomatt ... actually they did do updates... when I worked at the dealer that engine was updated and told us specifically what was updated... it's not just the valve covers... one of the main things that was updated was the head bolts

[@suunto61]

You missed the intake manifold gasket. My car went 215 kmi before the valve bucket problem. 2007 E63 bought new

[@butchfajardo8832]

I certainly did freak out knowing this!

[@cookiehead2]

You mentioned a zinc additive for reducing wear. It can help, but the newest oils like the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, and Pentosin High Performance 1, 2, and 3 are using an entirely different batch of additives now and they perform very well in a broad range of lubrication tests - Even better than the high-zinc SJ and SM oils.

[@alextorkelson]

5W-30 though.. really wish they offered 5W-40

[@richiemiami]

I have a 09 SL63 and yes I did the headbolts right around 60k miles I bought the extended warranty and they were covered as well as front struts and suspension pump. I use the top a lot so every year or two I have to have work done on he top hydraulics. My car now has about 120k miles and runs so incredibly well. I have thought about replacing it but the car does everything so well it's hard to imagine what I would buy

[@RSMOCROPK]

I have this engine in a 2007 C63, not any problems so far.. 127.000KM

[@H.S.H.M.]

My '09 C63 with 39k miles had a shit ton of problems. My '13 now with 60k miles is a little better

[@RSMOCROPK]

H M. That’s bad sorry to hear mate.. i really hate cars that need a lot of repairs and sudden failures. But yeah my only problem is that i don’t have bluetooth 🤮

[@alextorkelson6261]

Tom To be fair, you probably didn’t put most of those miles on right?

[@BIGMIKEC63]

I bought my current C63 knowing about this problem. Read everywhere that ALL MODELS manufactured before 2011 had the headbolt issue. In other words, a pre-facelift model could not NOT be affected. Mine is a pre-facelift, 2010 model, and it is has engine code nr "61111", so in other words it's one of the earliest engines with the updated headbolts. God I love this enginge so much.. Huge amount of tourqe no matter the revs. And INSTANT power as soon as you touch the throttle.

[@JayLang7]

Congrats on hitting 150’ k subs , on your way up buddy! Well done !!cant wait for the next vid

[@georgiosinfa7962]

I think is stupid not having an extended warranty when you buy a used AMAZING ride like this one. Mine is a 2011 with only 27.000miles, but the first thing I've done was to purchase one by the Mercedes dealership,with $5000 bumper to bumper, covers even the top, for 3 years. So.. I don't care for all these little problems. I bought an AWESOME $130.000 car with only $50.000.. + $5000 and I enjoy every minute driving it..

[@mrnicktoyou]

Considering the original purchase price of these cars, the design flaws are completely unacceptable. I have always desired a Mercedes or a BMW but I wouldn’t buy one anymore.

[@mark006868]

You are correct Sir, Zinc was an additive in oil that prevented wear...and...It is still used in most Diesel motor oils....but...Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP) is the most common zinc-based additive and is used primarily as an anti-wear agent to prevent premature engine wear. ... However, because the zinc and phosphorus found in ZDDP can negatively affect catalytic converters, it has been phased out of motor oil formulations....therefore...you can't just add Zinc....

[@JustinsSupercars]

Well...just buy an E55. Pretty easy. More reliable, faster, and easier to repair.

[@JustinsSupercars]

gus gatlin It’s most definitely faster! I’ve raced several E63 and C63 with the 6.2 liter engine in a stock E55. Trust me the E55 eats them all alive. It’s a beast. However the E63 has way better steering and suspension, I’ll give it that...

[@peterhert9350]

@@JustinsSupercars in Germany one informed owner said no e55 with the 113k left the factory under 500hp. Propably they stated less horsepower cause of the Marketing the higher Classes. You are right. Our tuned E55 is extreme fast.

[@jcooley286]

Icing put on the cake.

[@jameswieler3295]

Hi Alex the link to the head bolts doesn’t appear to be working

[@TheLukas0801]

Nice Knowledge you have about the 6.3 liter engine which has 6.2 liters :))

[@1stGenStunter]

In the midst of a total engine rebuild from my 09 E63 because of 1 failed headbolt. Found 1 bad cam, several bad lifters, seal bits and pieces in the oil pump and timing cover, a few pistons were caked up, and heads that my machine shop refused to do a valve job until the all the port casting flash was removed and cleaned up. Mind you, until I got the coolant message, the car ran GREAT at over 100k miles. Anyway, almost EVERYTHING has to replaced and not everything has room for improvement. Also, Tasos recently addressed that some cams didn't have the oil holes drilled all the way through. Checked my BRAND NEW CAMS and the left intake cam (156-050-43-01) was defective so I carefully hand-drilled 4 holes into my nib $600 cam. Ironically, that's the same cam position that I had the headbolt failure AND damaged cam. Bottom line is, be ready to spend some money. Straight up.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

*I keep finding myself on these videos researching my M156 lol.*

[@rexboy7353]

Me too scared wonder if I should sell mines and get bmw m4

[@playboistark]

@@rexboy7353 the m156 is 100x more reliable than m4

[@rexboy7353]

stark1500 to late buddy sold it got a m2 instead

[@livonia1807]

@@rexboy7353 my m156 is 81k miles and still going strong.. show those bmw punks what's good every day

[@rexboy7353]

@@livonia1807 bro had to get back 507 edition

[@zz-.-]

Have had 3 of these m156/m157 cars and have had ZERO issues. None. Don’t agree that it’s unreliable, at all. Has been bulletproof.

[@Albanianguy9]

Love the engine and the fact it’s NA. Like with full bolt ons, it will make 490whp NA. Sucks it had head bolt issues

[@GlassfilmWeddings]

man. its the MOST reliable AMG engine. Maintain them and its a legendary engine my friend

[@jimbattiston6585]

I have a 2003 CLK55 AMG and the engine in this is simply amazing. No problems what so EVER !!

[@ronlees]

I have a 2005 clk55. Its been great.

[@MrReese]

I usually like older MBs best, but this R230 SL body style (before the facelifts!) looks so so good, I love it. Amazing car.

[@scb3270]

Actually, AMG made a 7.3 back in the 1990's that was their largest naturally aspirated commercial engine to date... It had 575HP

[@karlanal1]

Exactly, the SL 73

[@Arthur55k]

He’s talking about v8

[@scb3270]

@@Arthur55k Gotcha

[@taterd01]

If it is overhead cam I'm pretty sure there is no hydraulics in the lifter.. I'm no mechanic but at 5:58 it looks as if the Cam Lobe pushes down on the Cam Bucket or "lifter" and it pushes down on the Valve Spring and Valve it's like a solid lifter.. the cam buckets probably come in different thickness sizes to change the clearances.. i don't know just a guess.. hell at 7:28 the cam bucket even looks like a bucket

[@tech88596]

Can’t beat that N/A v8 growl! 😎👍

[@ProjectFairmont]

tech88596 uh huh. You don’t need to spend this kind of money to here that in the US.

[@DennisAlexioAndyHug]

Love that car sound as well

[@DennisAlexioAndyHug]

@@ProjectFairmont essakly

[@jasonmorahan7450]

Someone probably mentioned already but according to AMG engineers all the road going M156 are generic and built for 540PS and then chassis specific ECU tune is added to get the final output, around 460PS (451hp) for the lightly built compact C class chassis and around 520PS (512hp) for the heavier chassis E class. The AMG engineers aren't actually told which chassis their M156 build will be going in, they go on a shelf and get fitted later off the shelf with the chassis specific tune. Whilst European enthusiasts tend to garage their performers for auction at Sotheby's in a few decades with less than 3000kms on the clock, American buyers of the C63 immediately started chasing the higher power E class tune and before long tapping into the design output of the M156 just kind of sitting in the engine. Not everyone knew about these things and so to meet American demand, increase sales and satisfy the desires of would be tuners Mercedes released the two limited edition, wide body C63 "512" and the Black Series, the former with the E63 tune and the latter with 540PS or around 520hp the motor was designed to sustain. Scoops and air intakes and bulging flares and big fat stripes and carbon this and brightly painted that completed the American dream of what a performance car should look like, :D haha I'm surprised they weren't forced to mount a siren equipped, flashing boost gauge on top of the steering wheel shouting current boost in a mechanical southern drawl with a big yeehah. Just kidding around, I like some of you guys. Noteworthy to also mention that engineers like at AMG/Mercedes use highly advanced software to model engine outputs and behaviour with an extremely high degree of accuracy equivalent to placing a hundred thousand sensors of every imaginable description throughout the engine interior. Previously they used engine brake dynos and combined this with actual speed testing, typically quoting both wind drag related terminal speeds and brake horsepower in specifications to give reasonable ideas of road performance. Roller dynos can, strictly speaking only directly measure torque and calculate horsepower figures by multiplying torque x rpm, with some modern tuning software contributing some variables from other sensors like mass air flow, fuel type (accommodated by measuring stoich) and intake temperature. Nevertheless as track operators are well aware, torque and horsepower can and often does head in completely opposite directions between setups, which a roller dyno simply can't predict and so is probably the least accurate of these horsepower estimates, although it is dead accurate about torque onto the bitumen and that's the main thing you need anyway, the horsepower readout is purely a loose guideline intended solely for tuning purposes. I mention that because horsepower quotes off a dyno sheet don't mean much without a time card comparison for tuning mods, it could read 470rwhp (resulting in a claim of say, 550 crank) and have lower acceleration times but if the terminal speed is the same as when it was at 440rwhp you haven't increased horsepower to the track, just torque which the dyno reads as both. It's to be expected that some "bolt on 550hp" C63s running around out there are actually still around 515 or 520 but changed the shape of their torque curve and a peak bump with their decat headers and whatever mods, so the dyno read it as a hp increase. I dare say 520bhp is about as full tilt as the motor was engineered for without really significant, meaning really significant design changes in very expensive areas for relatively superfluous gains unless doing pro circuit competition with 7hp over 200 miles giving a win vs lose, so worth the cost and I think large hp claims beyond this could only be related to the shortcomings of dyno horsepower figures. But the biggest thing about such stuff is how it makes you feel and if it's good, then it's money well spent. As for being impressed by the power, man, you've driven a Black Series or at least the same 520hp engine spec (as you quoted for the SL63 there), I've driven the 512LE wide body coupe and that is an out and out monster, the only AMG since that's any step up in the racing heart category is the GT-R (I get to drive all of them, new and used for work), I mean on paper the C63/S is quicker but it's so driveable it's not scary. Whilst the E63 with the same 512hp soaks it up so securely in the heavier chassis it feels just as quick but a hundred times safer. That 512 C63, one of the only cars I've actually been scared of the throttle because I had to wonder if it might go airborne if I didn't treat it like trying to wrestle a 700lb wild tiger. So honestly, who the hell needs it more powerful than 512-520bhp for road use? An insane person? After driving them all I actually wanted the E63 over the uprated C63 with the M156 engines, it's just as quick but not terrifying. You are kind of insane in America, huh? haha :D

[@alexandergil1154]

The m156 only defect is being to quick

[@kingcharger3412]

Thank You so much for this review. You have saved me so much time and money because I really wanted an m156 engine.

[@jcdentonunatco]

Its cool that you actually showed the pictures of the head bolts and stuff, rather than just talk about them +1

[@Rabidus289]

So to summarize: dont buy the 6.3, got it.

[@Atreid3s]

He's way overplaying the issues for clicks

[@billylongdick3192]

​@@Atreid3s not really