My Good Buddies Jaret and Dado did an OUTSTANDING job creating this ONE OF A KIND Ducati V4S! I will hook up with Jaret in California soon for an amazing 🎥 Can you tell that I'm a HUGE Doug Demuro fan? ✔️❤️
@bamholian45675 жыл бұрын
Is this video rediculously delayed or did you just now get to the finished bike?
@joaquinshipman9415 жыл бұрын
As soon as you said corks and features I instantly knew that you watch Doug I watch him too 😂😂😂
@craiglasley44105 жыл бұрын
Bro there cant be a black doug demuro. Just stop please this video is cringe worthy. Just be yourself
@8kilosunderyep8775 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome 👏
@seambunthayarat43705 жыл бұрын
Doug is a type of guy who doesnt do a doug is a type of guy joke
@frankiebars43125 жыл бұрын
Id rather watch u do a review being urself instead of u sounding like Doug
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@lilfleececap93305 жыл бұрын
I THOUGHT SO
@lamegame36725 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!👍
@jrloPanigale5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, forget the Doug impersonation. Just do you... much better!
@anthonythor13032 жыл бұрын
I never comment but real sh1t I gotta agree 👍
@Chevyman277055 жыл бұрын
If you watch Doug Demuro you’re likely in tears right now.. 😂😂
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Theboy1gwe4 жыл бұрын
Yah a I Know, thought he was one of a kind with his quirks n features
@sriharshamulpuru4 жыл бұрын
Lmao I watch Doug Demuro and 650ib killed it! 😂
@hush84843 жыл бұрын
damn mee too hahahhahhahaha
@YoSoyElAutismo5 жыл бұрын
hey its Thug Demuro
@Johnnyjakebrake5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jasonjay62455 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@MtnMoto5 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly 😂 Somebody's been watching DeMuro
@artmchugh56445 жыл бұрын
Now that is fuckin funny !!!😄😄😄😄
@brakesforsnakes7575 жыл бұрын
Total rip off of Doug, hopefully IB modifies this a bit because it's too blatant.
@lifestyleofabillionaire95405 жыл бұрын
This channel honestly deserves over a million subs. I love your personality and how unique you make the channel compared to other motovloggers.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! I agree with you 💪❤️✔️
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Dude, totally ol' 650 should easily have a million subs!
@adamstratford67405 жыл бұрын
Jaret and Dado should be so proud of what they achieved with this V4 panigale. Nice to see Garey actually put those red decals on the bike imo really stands out 😍...........just an awesome machine!!! Adam 🇬🇧
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
They did a great job indeed man! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
@MisterLJohnson5 жыл бұрын
What fender eliminator is used on this Ducati?
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
@@MisterLJohnson I am not sure...can't recall. You need to go to the bike build on Jaret's channel and see where/when they did that particular work. I am pretty sure that it came from "motomillions" however, as that is where the majority of the after market parts came from.
@VinnigsSpinTheBlock5 жыл бұрын
You talk as if they designed the bike....
@RobertWaczynski5 жыл бұрын
Yea, another carbon on carbon on carbon with poorly matching red parts.
@georgexouryas5 жыл бұрын
Both men worked their asses off on the bike build , both of their names should be credited in that work , its a Jared/Dado build , cheers!
@deepakb31405 жыл бұрын
Read the description, boy.
@junlizada21505 жыл бұрын
It's Jaret Campisi and Dado's motorcycle build project..amazing transformation of Ducati v4..kudos to Jaret Campisi and to Dado.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
You should see it i person!
@JaretCampisi5 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the bike man! Next time remind people who built this beauty though :) #dadoandjaret
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Jaret, gong back to your sports roots to build a V4R would be so awesome! Thanks again for this great build sir.
@959pilot45 жыл бұрын
Yes defiently go back to sportbike builds. Big fan of you and 650ib builds. But the diavle build isn't doing it for me. RSV4 build!
@hondaracing46695 жыл бұрын
I'm sure everyone is aware that this was your bike. Its isn't now so why would 650 have to mention the previous owner? Left your build after seeing the bike you chose. Stick with what works buddy.
@josegerman88775 жыл бұрын
It's in the description CAMPISIIII...LOL 650ib got your acknowledgement and we all know no worries nothing like this bike EVER...Carbon bikes are all known as Campositefiber....LMAOO
@RobimusPrime5 жыл бұрын
Jose German not a lot of people don’t read the description. They go straight to the video, comments, like/dislike button.
@1teem5 жыл бұрын
The quality of your content is superb. KZbin and open source social media quality is really giving traditional TV a run for its money. I don't even watch TV anymore, I just watch KZbin videos and the occasional Netflix.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
One of the best ib video's I've EVER seen! And of course I'm not biased or anything like that!? LOL. Seriously though ib, the cuts and cinematography here are just superb, dude you're good! If anyone reading this comment ever gets to meet this fine gentleman; walk up and shake his hand! We had a brilliant sun shine day, and your timing was impeccable! Since then we've had 9 out of 10 days with rain! P.S. I am calling this machine "The Phantom"!
@disarray09215 жыл бұрын
Strange how you sound like your doing a "DOUG DEMERO"impersonation, and even weirder your intro is identical to his. Seems like you're just trying to hard, just be yourself man.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for noticing and commenting!
@spencerides19515 жыл бұрын
It’s supposed to be a Doug Demuro impersonation you fuckin idiot.
@anthonycersosimo67845 жыл бұрын
Doug demuro is a fuckin dweeb
@F80_RZH4 жыл бұрын
Spence Rides 😂😂😂😂😂😂 toxic
@BillNiersbach5 жыл бұрын
Great to see Gary getting some love!! That is such a badass bike. Jaret and Dado built a fantastic one off machine! Dont see why people get upset that they were mentioned, as they are the ones that built it. Yeah, most people know that but I dont see what the big deal is giving them the accolade they deserve! Great to see it out in the wild again!!
@ClutchFirst5 жыл бұрын
I feel a little dirty after watching this vid. LOL Solid review and digging the drone shots,
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it!
@ruikazane51235 жыл бұрын
At last! A V4 at last! I always hated on the V2 Ducatis, but i think now I can love them.
@r.cic15965 жыл бұрын
That is the damn baddest bike in this country right now I believe
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Just wait till my R1M is complete 💪🔥❤️
@r.cic15965 жыл бұрын
@@650ib yeah I have the 2017 Raven R1. Love the bike, love an all black scheme.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
You're bike build is going to be outstanding! @@650ib
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Lifted_Above that is a really, really good way tp put it! LOL.
@ucaseara11695 жыл бұрын
Which country?
@SSmoothS705 жыл бұрын
Garey, you are one lucky dude. Jaret and Dado did a great job on this one, I was lucky enough to spend some time with those two while they were working on their bike builds, wish I was the winner of this one!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks buddy! And the machine is way cool as you point out. One of the best things about winning the bike has been the fact that I've made friends from Jaret and Dado and we communicate regularly. Also getting to meet 650ib in person and gaining that friendship, AND so many followers on my KZbin channel.....as good or better than the bike itself! Envious that you actually got to spend time with these two in the "Garage Mahal" that Dado has LOL.
@golferdscott5 жыл бұрын
Still say that is the absolute best looking bike hands down! Jaret and his crew can’t be topped . Style is 10 in my book.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
I agree
@Spartanshaq7775 жыл бұрын
"It has a single-sided swing arm! if you dont like that, there's nothing you can do about it!" lol
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@christopherlandin14995 жыл бұрын
This man breathes motorcycles! Love it.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Christopher!
@williamtravis92835 жыл бұрын
enjoyed the video!
@theonlyseparation4645 жыл бұрын
I don’t know who Doug Demuro is but I can attest that 650ib has been sounding and talking like this (when he feels the urge) my entire life and I’m 40. He talked and played with this same voice and inflection as a small silly kid. He hasn’t changed a bit. No 🧢
@6Wise5 жыл бұрын
I'm not hating on you like others are. You're handling business and advertising your skills. Good job and good review. Keep going.
@deni554 жыл бұрын
you just no1 on planet Brother your voice is like an angel 100%
@Youngsoldier935 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched your videos in a hot minute but I'm getting a strong Doug Demuro vibe now 😎
@gstheory5 жыл бұрын
650, Doug, Jaret, and Dado all in one video.. that’s a whole other set of quirks and features right there.
@davidstancu29635 жыл бұрын
production just keeps getting better
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks David!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Watching ib do this VLOG was so instructional. He is very professional and knows what he is doing!
@joelfradiska80295 жыл бұрын
Def one of the best lookn bikes I’ve ever seen and I imagine it looks even better in person! The wheels are are probably the best lookn I’ve seen on a bike to! Awesome bike all arnd! Can’t wait to see you w your V4R!!
@JRDNGIXX5 жыл бұрын
Awesome review ib as always and those drone shots 👍.. Thanks to Garey for lending it to get this done. Love that machine!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
It was a real and rare pleasure to meet ib. As many others have, I've watched his KZbin channel for several years. So the chance to meet him was pretty special for me.
@martybartfast5 жыл бұрын
I think Bautista has proved something over the last two days at Phillip Island. 😀 🏍
@MotoMichelle5 жыл бұрын
yes ;)
@thebeyonder41135 жыл бұрын
He pretty much trolled Kawasaki.
@Hugo_WP5 жыл бұрын
This was such a beautiful custom bike! Well done Jaret and Dado
@Taitea_____5 жыл бұрын
Black is soo beautiful in almost every aspects of a superbike
@kingabhijeet84215 жыл бұрын
Loved it. Great Presentation 650ib😊😍😘😘
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheKeySpecialist2 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Appreciate your time and effort you put into your video's.
@IanDabre075 жыл бұрын
That Doug impersonation though....... Loved that. Nice video
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@spiro53275 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is a work of art, and those wheels complete the Mona Lisa
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
The wheels are really impressive in person. They change hue as the light changes around them...they go from black, to red, to a deep cherry....really unique.
@Chinfu9175 жыл бұрын
This review is golden!
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@hicksalan15 жыл бұрын
3minutes into the video, i HIT LIKE already
@PikoCases3 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite Ducati bike
@Revangelistautube5 жыл бұрын
Dado and Jared did a great job on this!!!
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Indeed they did!
@Lkom245 жыл бұрын
I didn't think they could make anything better than my 1199, this bike is beautiful.
@charlieryan17365 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another awesome review 👍🏻 very funny as well 😆
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheAkashPatra5 жыл бұрын
loved the new format... love from🇮🇳
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@putudidon10365 жыл бұрын
Im always loving that what you did in this video. Big love from BALI❤️
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jimpanzer075 жыл бұрын
Sold my V4S in less than 4 months due to the extreme heat coming up from engine, it cooks you alive on a warm day of riding but it does look great. Never liked the way engine sounds compared to the music coming from Aprilia v4 and Yamaha cross plane, but again it does look good!
@elpabloescobar86154 жыл бұрын
Jaret campisi build 🔥🔥
@CobraChipper4 жыл бұрын
That’s one beautiful bike, Great review !
@FunWithAJ5 жыл бұрын
Definite Doug vibes on this review. You'll should have came up to Motoforza. Was just there this weekend for an entire Triumph/Ducati event. Been meaning to link up with Gary for a group ride.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
I will return to CA in March
@FunWithAJ5 жыл бұрын
@@650ib let's meet up!
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
@@FunWithAJ OK, I will be in LA and San Diego. I will post updates to my Instagram
@radu101019924 жыл бұрын
I really think that you should do more motorcycle reviews. This video... the editing is awesome !!!
@Zoharargov5 жыл бұрын
It's Epic650Time!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure to watch ib make this video. He is a professional and one can learn a lot from watching his work!
@UNLIRIDES5 жыл бұрын
This bike is insanely gorgeous!
@costasmith94215 жыл бұрын
Damn, Doug's voice is just perfect :D
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
I agree 😃
@chrisvoidis2795 жыл бұрын
Great video 650ib. Could have mentioned who built it though! Jaret and Dado, great work!
@silviocastaneda13235 жыл бұрын
The whole Doug DeMuro act was funny. Good stuff
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mosejones67055 жыл бұрын
That's one sick looking ride! I like the matte color on it better than the red I usually see.
@brianlittle91315 жыл бұрын
This is probably the most annoyed I have been by the comments on a 650 video. Who cares who built the bike. Jaret doesn't own it anymore it is Garys bike now. 650ib is doing a review on it now. He doesn't have to preface who owned it before gary. If you watch KZbin motovlogs then you know the history of this bike. So sit back and and enjoy 650ib review of GARY'S DUCATI.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Well said. 💪✔️❤️
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Well said, he does give us some recognition and in fact there are links to our VLOGS in his description. I think some of the earlier watches of this got there before ib had the chance to put up all the links etc.....anyway, Good points here Brian.
@brianlittle91315 жыл бұрын
@@GareyCooperdude I'm so sorry for spelling your name wrong. My bad brotha
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
@@brianlittle9131 no worries! I have a friend named Brian and my spell checker keeps changing it to "Brain"....LOL. He doesn't care either...ride safe!
@1984-f7q5 жыл бұрын
bro, you're not Doug Demuro. you fail hard for copying him
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for ruining my morning and making me 😭
@markdunbar82195 жыл бұрын
That is one sick looking bike 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻ride safe guys from the uk🇬🇧
@Inspirikus5 жыл бұрын
Nice review :)
@NUNBUTMEAT5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I really like the V4R, but I just can’t get past the dry clutch. That noise is ungodly and just kills the whole “Ducati” sound. So, I’ll stick with the V4S
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Dry clutch sounds amazing in person.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Hey you're entitled to your opinion dude. Actually even with a wet clutch the Desmo Ducatis sounds fairly "rattly" compared to many other machines....you like it or you don't.
@NUNBUTMEAT5 жыл бұрын
Garey Cooper I’m kinda in between. I love everything about the V4R, but that rattle is like nails on a chalk board to me. I’d like to ride one for a day or so before I commit. I’ve got the V4S now and love it.
@NUNBUTMEAT5 жыл бұрын
650ib yea, I’ve heard it in person. It’s just something I’m not used to hearing. But could get used to. With a $40k tag, I want to be 100% in love with it. Right now I’m at 90% lol
@pistolpete63215 жыл бұрын
Wow what a beautiful bike!
@Turbo3295 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Sending Support and Love from NY!
@chessaddler3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the matte black and carbon
@pritampritam65805 жыл бұрын
Awesome bro ib keep it up big love from northeast India
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@phillyphil15135 жыл бұрын
V4R, Alvaro Bautista took 3 wins out the gate this weekend 6-Fitty.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah man!!!!!
@Richgs4005 жыл бұрын
Seems like a Great Package (V4R). Alvaro had a great weekend. Chaz is sneaking up after a few races too. I Love the comment Rea made in his post Race 2 interview. "There is no substitution for Horsepower" That says it all!! I can't wait for mine to arrive!!!
@Kirkorr1235 жыл бұрын
I own one of these and the engine does roast my left leg so Ducati didn't get rid of the heat issue. Having said that I still love the bike on track.
@me2ontube5 жыл бұрын
Do you use carbon fiber heat protectors - I heard they work but still skeptical
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
It does throw heat at your inner thigh! I find that even on warm days you're advised to wear thicker pants as protection from the radiated heat. I am very curios to see what will happen in our San Diego summer.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
@@me2ontube I have not used them....can't comment on them. But, I suppose anything could help? I am thinking of getting a couple of leather loops to put around my thighs for summer riding when I wear mesh or textile pants....
@alanjones77905 жыл бұрын
Kudos Campisi
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
He did an OUTSTANDING job on this bike!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Much credit due to Jaret and Dado, this is such an outstanding build.......
@dongliangbruceli28635 жыл бұрын
at 10:14 i dont understand. can someone help me to explain why he cannot engage the kickstand by foot? and what's the indicator light on his arm? thank you so much!
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
The kickstand doesn't have a long stem on it for contact with the foot. Therefore, you have to use your hand. The lights on my jacket sleeve are for the airbag vest that's in the jacket.
@dongliangbruceli28635 жыл бұрын
@@650ibWooo, thanks for your kindness! Now I get it, That's why there are always some items int the online shopping for OEM kickstand.
@MotoMichelle5 жыл бұрын
Looks so nice :)
@theresonly1truth1385 жыл бұрын
Thanks Garey.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, thanks! And good to hear from ya!
@REPSOLHONDARR5 жыл бұрын
nice bike 650 looks slick
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@BIKEGEARMOTOVLOG5 жыл бұрын
Nice review of the V4. You need to start making a spread sheet of the score +650ib
@petarjuric97284 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation ib
@650ib4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MrAndrew19535 жыл бұрын
Like the matt black carbon fibre and wheel rims.
@itsthejdquest5 жыл бұрын
Nice! Branching outside your general smackdown audience. I would recommend using a stock V4S (or for future reviews, the actually factory spec) since they will be able to apply this knowledge when they are viewing the same bikes on the showroom floor. Could be on to something if you kick in more 650IB and less Doug haha.
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice.
@itsthejdquest5 жыл бұрын
@@650ib No problem, big fan here!
@Youtube_Globetrotter5 жыл бұрын
What a machine. One of the best looking. If I could afford everying I'll buy one.
@IanM26985 жыл бұрын
Wow what an awesome looking bike man I still prefer the red colour and you’re very own V4S special with red, white and stripe colours. Ducatis are like Ferrari’s man keep them bright and coloured 👍
@brvxtn5 жыл бұрын
Those wheels are beautiful
@ravenmoto59485 жыл бұрын
Self cancel signals have been on the BMW along with cruise control and heated grips. So no biggie on the self cancel turn signals.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
Well David it is actually a pretty convenient little add for a sports machine. I've not had them before and I (like almost every other biker I'll bet) have left them on and blinking for several minutes in the past.....
@JohnSmith-rs2hz5 жыл бұрын
Self cancelling signal light feature is also a standard on Harleys.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
I have heard that many Harley's do and have had this feature for a while. However it's new to me and I think new to Ducati as well......I always feel like such a "DWEEB" when I look down and see the flasher blinking 2-3 minutes after turning a corner!
@punjabipaul55155 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous machine ♥️
@paulcolburn12085 жыл бұрын
That’s a very nice MV Augusta.
@theresonly1truth1385 жыл бұрын
I didn't see the link of Garey KZbin channel in the description!!!
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
They are there, there are links to; my channel AND Jaret's and Dado's in the description. The only thing that I can think of is perhaps you were on early enough before he added them in the edits once it was posted. BUT we are there now!
@theresonly1truth1385 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I wanted to make sure everyone learns to spend their retirement like you uncle Garey with a young man mentality. I also hope you are taking good care of ur spiritual life too my man, in Jesus name amen.
@Idontcare-rq3bw5 жыл бұрын
Hey ib why don’t you try doin some races with your ducati bikes,
@b.carrington39035 жыл бұрын
U gave it a Doug score
@TheMetalmechanic5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, will it win the Moto GP , WSB championship this year.
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
The team looks really good in WSBK,
@termellb5 жыл бұрын
Doug is that you? 650Doug!!😂😂😂 "This" I thought I was on the wrong video for a sec. Lol
@DGH195 жыл бұрын
Good review Doug ......I mean ib is 😉
@chrisjohnson59795 жыл бұрын
It looks beautiful out there
@fjones19145 жыл бұрын
Beautiful bike!
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@bigdaddu9895 жыл бұрын
Alright Mr 650ib Demuro lol I love it
@bigdaddu9895 жыл бұрын
One of the finest intro you have done so far
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@davidgates69875 жыл бұрын
Definitely a killer bike!
@f7viivvgiv5 жыл бұрын
Best bike I have ever seen
@brucesanford40285 жыл бұрын
The wheels look great
@KDoba5 жыл бұрын
Just a dream bike!
@abrahamvoguelhaik75565 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos!!! But sometimes i think that Stevie from Malcolm in the middle is narrating them hahahha
@dre50365 жыл бұрын
650ib always got those angles
@everss025 жыл бұрын
It has tire deactivation also, 2" all both sides are virgin.
@mac001texas5 жыл бұрын
my 2017 gsxr 750 and 2017 zx10r came with 90 degree valve stems too, pretty standard stuff for any race bike these days, curiously enough my 2018 zx14r doesn't have them sadly :(
@75craigbud5 жыл бұрын
Sounded kind of creepy in this video lol. Love your channel tho
@650ib5 жыл бұрын
Creepy is good.
@75craigbud5 жыл бұрын
sometimes it is unless your around young girls hahaha . You have a Great channel u do a awesome job I love it. I cant wait to see your new Ducati when u get it. It’s so funny cause I only follow a few motorcycle channels. Maybe like 4 or 5. I follow the guy who built that bike. I follow Gary cause he has the same Tuono I have and I follow you and somehow all 3 came together lol. When Gary won the bike I thought I was dreaming cause I was following them before the raffle. Small world
@GareyCooperdude5 жыл бұрын
What a small world,@@75craigbud. Isn't it. I am like you Craig I try to be selective with who I follow and 650 & Jaret do such a service to the biking community, I learn so much watch the builds......and I won the bike! So what could be bad? LOL.
@Elitezalba5 жыл бұрын
Probably because he's trying to copy every aspect of Doug Demuro's style, instead of being the slightest bit original. Maybe this guy is Doug's long lost relative, but the more likely explanation is that he's just plain unoriginal. Trying waaay to hard in a style that he doesn't know how to emulate. It comes off as creepy and insincere. Really hope he finds his own voice sooner rather than later.
@75craigbud5 жыл бұрын
Jake Zalba everybody copy’s someone to a certain extent on KZbin. If he was doing autos it would be unfair to Doug but motorcycles are a different lane. But I think he would be more interesting doing a original one cause I like his channel and personality on camera without using the Doug stuff so I understand what your saying to