Here Why The New Honda Civic Type R Sportline Is The Car We Asked For, But Not The One We Needed

In this video I'm driving the Civic Type R Sportline - the result of many people's requests to have a slightly toned down version of the Type R. However, I ask whether the car is now improved, made worse - or if it fails to do enough to justify being called a new model?
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[@TheChugnut]

Perspective. See a gawdy shirt hanging in the shop: Ew, no thanks. See a gawdy shirt hanging on Jay: Oh, yes please.

[@ytsux9259]

Size Triple XL.

[@timstubbs6701]

@@ytsux9259 no need.

[@neilrobson3064]

People still bitching about this car? It’s an all time great hot hatch - we’ll miss it when it’s gone…..

[@TassieLorenzo]

We've already seen the new 2022 Civic Type R and it is much, much plainer, so I don't know why people would still be complaining about the styling of this old one! :)

[@madmage2676]

@@TassieLorenzo No, you have seen the 2023 Type R.

[@BigRLH]

very true

[@daveseemerollin6357]

Used to hate the way these looked. Now I love them. It's a perfect antidote to the mundane, safe, and boring cars that otherwise clutter the roads. Also kids love them

[@marfrandema1884]

If you buy a type R buy it with the big WING, otherwise what's the point.

[@chrisogrady28]

Having an extremely practical and fun car with a great gearbox. The wing isn't the point, it's not a plymouth superbird

[@marfrandema1884]

@@chrisogrady28 Consider an i30N or GTI then

[@v4skunk739]

@@chrisogrady28 Its just the fastest hot hatch money can buy. Smokes RS3 and AMG 45s on track and especially Nurburgring.

[@az5655]

I agree. I dont understand why anybody wouldnt.🤦‍♂️🤪🤪🤪

[@kel883]

Honestly wing isn't even the problem for me, it's really the rest of the design package being so fussy and rife with fakery

[@N3onDr1v3]

The phrase ive seen used is "riced from the factory"

[@mudskipper0075]

It just seems to be trying way to hard….

[@TassieLorenzo]

Do you like the new one then? The smoother-styled FL2 Type R testing on the Nürburgring: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnWqlmNjfMSUf5Y

[@Hondaddy]

@@mudskipper0075 that's what the type r has been since the fk2

[@CJax749]

The aero is all functional- tbh it’s amazing to me how much development went into; Honda should be applauded See this vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5DOnZ6apb6anrM

[@niallmcmahon8748]

I normally agree with your reviews but not in this case. My 2017 car is extremely responsive, especially at 4k revs as tested here. Admittedly I have a cold air intake and cat back exhaust which has probably freed up the mid range somewhat but it was not particularly laggy before. My other car is a 997 carrera s so I know about engine response. The benefits of 20k miles on the clock perhaps. Furthermore, the aircon is extremely effective at all times and on a run I have seen well over 40mpg when sitting at 80ish. Again, an engine which is properly run in perhaps. I agree about the in car electronics though. I can understand someone buying the gti if they can't abide the looks but in every other way that matters the civic is on another planet.

[@niallmcmahon8748]

Oh and the steering: no it may not communicate massively but how many modern steering systems really do? It's about ten times better than the mk7 golf r I owned for two years before and no one seems to complain about the steering on those. In the end it's why I sold it.

[@jamesmedina2062]

yeah these get fairly small turbos to make them torquey down low. That said my 1.5 has a bit faster spool down low than the 2.0 but once 3500-4000 comes, the 2.0 reaches Mach 1

[@jameswillard1]

The FK8 suffers more than any single car I can think of, of looking vastly better in motion and in the move than it does in pictures or even parked. Seriously, every time I see one whether I’m beind it on the highway, it’s negotiating turns, or it’s coming up behind me I think wow that’s actually very sharp design .....then I see one in a magazine 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Kagemusha320]

These cars look extremely better in person. I seen vids and pics of the LE Yellow Type R and thought what an ugly thing. But then I seen it at a local Honda dealer and was extremely impressed with its looks. Its as though those Stealth Bomber/Fighter jet edges are acting as camo against digital cameras haha.

[@jamesmedina2062]

So true my friend. Much like a Lamborghini Murcielago, it is something else in person! Presence

[@renn1362]

For sure the FK8 has bold OTT styling we can't deny that. I own a FK8 Type R and I have to say on road it gets a lot of positive attention and thumb's up ... admittedly a large proportion of those people are teenage boys 😂. Personally I like the provocative design as it ignites opinion. You'd be mad to totally rule this car out purely based on looks. I call mine a wolf in wolf's clothing and I'm sure in years to come the FK8 will an iconic milestone in the Type R timeline and I'm proud have my FK8 sitting alongside my DC2 Teg.

[@riccccccardo]

I agree

[@TheDalitis8]

Exactly. That's the point of any Type-R. The FK8-R is one of a very few modern cars I am interested in buying (GR Yaris & MX-5 are the others)

[@riccccccardo]

@@TheDalitis8 love the gr Yaris

[@aadi8568]

@@TheDalitis8 I'd go for the GR Yaris, it's limited in production and I presume it will retain its value very well, and maybe even appreciate in value after many years, looks like a future classic. And the GR Yaris is an absolute blast to drive, the AWD system is great and it looks sexy, as long as you don't care about practicality this is probably a better bet than the type R (but the type R is still an amazing car)

[@TheDalitis8]

@@aadi8568 the problem I have with the GR Yaris is that it is a three cylinder. They do not last.

[@Corvolet5]

This car almost looks tame in comparison to the old one. I love it!

[@nagylevi3827]

So a wonky engine might keep enthusiasts away and a dated interior and flashy exterior might keep everybody else away. Still, it seems to be sold out. What a world ...

[@thesilentsk3471]

12:45 You had me rolling. I am American and 200F is quite warm

[@EleanorPeterson]

Yes, he do am being taking the pee.

[@tomthompson7400]

Its a bit of a mess , looks like a 12 year old was let loose in a bolt on body kit shop .

[@ytsux9259]

But oh-so-fun to drive. 😍

[@hexgraphica]

I love tilted shots like in British interviews from 30 years ago. Also wide angle shots need to do a comeback

[@MrDJLeeE]

Anyone slating an FK8 type r should drive one - I did and bought one. Amazing car. Feel so connected to it.

[@CaiSpidox]

It's wild styling and I love it myself. I own a 1.0 turbo version as of a few months ago and I love it. I'd certainly enjoy a type R but it your right in saying it should just be a type r with the option of removing the wing instead of a whole different model. I'd want the red interior also. Great balanced review though and can certainly accept the critism but coming from an mg3..to a micra..to the civic.. the interior still looks great and feels more modern by comparions to me...Perspective.

[@ruinunes8251]

This week I test drove both the civic 1.0 and the 1.5 and I have to say that I’m very surprised with the performance of the 1.0 for such a small engine. However, I prefer the 1.5 😃

[@CaiSpidox]

@@ruinunes8251 yeah I test drove the 1.5 a year or two back (it's why a civic was on my short list of next possible cars) and made me fall in love with it. I honestly thought the 1.0 was gonna feel sluggish but yeah like you I was impressed and enjoy it now...but I still want the 1.5 next when prices come down again xD

[@ruinunes8251]

@@CaiSpidox Agree with you, prices are stupid right now. I originally wanted a CRV (because of family) but the prices of the CRVs are over the roof as well. My choice at the moment most possibly will be the civic as it is one of the largest hatchbacks around.

[@CaiSpidox]

@@ruinunes8251 yeah luckily my last car was worth more than what I got it for originally so it allowed me to get a Civic. But yeah it's a good family car, regardless of its sportier shape there is plenty of room. I was amazed when my 6.4 tall brother in law got in the back, and was like I'm comfortable, plenty of space.

[@rrshowtime3900]

I'd never buy the 1.0T or the 1.5T. They are both prone to oil dilution. Same for Ecoboost Fords.

[@muteroberto]

As someone who plumped for a Sportline - it did precisely all I needed. Interior much less shouty, no 20" wheels and no pinstripes and of course no wing. It's exactly what I wanted and I love it to bits. It's an incredible car and possibly the best driving motor I've ever owned.

[@redlineste4283]

Why would you want your Type R to look like a standard model? It's a Type R. It should stand out from the crowd.

[@muteroberto]

@@redlineste4283 a) It's not the looks I want the car for, it's the driving experience (you know, the thing that actually matters) b) It doesn't look like the standard models, it just looks less chavvy.

[@redlineste4283]

@@muteroberto looks wrong without the wing on the back.

[@CJax749]

@@redlineste4283 People seem to miss that the type r is meant to be over designed and standing out. The world is filled with boring German lookalikes, I love that Honda went for the classic JDM out there design. That’s why I bought the GT, and tbh I only ever seem to see negative comments online, everyone I’ve ever met in person has been enamoured by it tbh

[@peterdejong5456]

Gosh, Honda did an excellent job on the interior if it can withstand 200 degrees F! 😅

[@johnhasleftthebuildi]

LOL Yup that would be more like 82 degrees Fahrenheit.

[@8draco8]

About that gearbox. Aftermarket TypeR specialists solved that issue. Gearbox is fine but it need heat shield and different oil. You should do both of those thing immediately after purchase. In Poland at least one of the dealers was offering this for new customers. Unfortunately Honda banned him from doing that and they're claiming that there's no issue and this modification (even just the shield) voids the warranty

[@patrickbateman7122]

The GR Yaris is a rally rep!! Compare that to evos,stis,integrale etc this is a traditional fwd hot hatch. Why does everyone bang on about the GRY being so special just because it has awd lol. I've driven one and imo was so dull. Looking forward to next years type r!

[@aadi8568]

GR Yaris is special because it's a homologation special

[@panos323]

If I could afford it I would bought it with my eyes shut and I would definitely keep the wing! I don't care about the infotainment system! I only care about reliability and the way it drives

[@chrisogrady28]

The more I see of type R's, the more I think the FN2 was peak type R. The last car with the NA high revving engine, looked super cool (IMO, one of the very hatchbacks I like the look of), and crazy practical. I used to just think they were too high but when I sat in one the drivers seat is pretty damn low for a hatch. Might try and pick one up before everyone else realises

[@TheDalitis8]

Or maybe you mean the vastly superior JDM FD2 version.

[@v4skunk739]

FN2 is the worst Type-R of all and should have been called the SI.

[@aadi8568]

@@v4skunk739 it is definitely the worst, but honestly still doesn't make it a bad car, it is still quite good and since no one likes it you can find them really cheap, honestly banging value nowadays

[@chrisogrady28]

@@TheDalitis8 4 doors are ugly and B pillar is in the way of side view

[@ryanjones5594]

I find the FK8 looks like it was designed by a child on a playstation...dare I say it's chavvy. I'm sure another's perspective will be different, but I prefer at least SOME degree of subtlety

[@davidkelly2542]

A golf R is chavy, its not the 90's. Understated = chav

[@BigUriel]

@@davidkelly2542 Chavs don't do understated, they do "look at me". This is chavvy as fuck.

[@davidkelly2542]

@@BigUriel no chavs buy golf r and audi S3 because they think they are "sick"

[@Danial0152]

its not even chavvy, it is just ricey

[@BigUriel]

@@davidkelly2542 Lots of people buy Golf Rs and S3s, some of them are Chavs and some are not. But for the most these are relatively discreet cars and not particularly chavvy. A chav is someone who buys a 1.2 Corsa and fits a cheap aftermarket exhaust that makes it louder than a Lambo. A chav is someone who seeks attention even if it's the wrong kind. This Honda is chavvy as fuck, it looks ridiculous and overdone and full of fakery out of the factory.

[@jasonboyle7203]

Totally disappointed in sportine, I can't get enuff of my 2017 fk8 R With none of said problems. Must be lucky in 3yrs ownership.

[@charlykay3038]

I’ve got the standard Current R. Best car I’ve owned. Get the styling Isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. But you can’t call it boring unlike a few hot hatches from a certain German automotive group. I’ve never owned anything that tickles as many egos as the civic does either

[@392dusto6]

This is facts

[@392dusto6]

As an fk8 owner i do believe Honda could’ve done a better job on the interior and adding more features for the price point it’s being sold at in America.

[@jamesmedina2062]

the 11th gen is better balanced and I think designed in Japan. Its nicer on inside.

[@6th.replicant577]

Props for being the only KZbin car reviewer to acknowledge what many Type-R owners worldwide have said - the gearbox is crap and not fit for purpose.

[@jordanking4216]

Since when have Honda been working on this model for “several years” .. it’s had a slight facelift for the end of run, they’ve removed the wing and changed some cosmetics which is what happens when manufacturers do a facelift version (or LCI in BMW terms). Not like several years of R&D have gone into it.

[@SicSemperBeats]

Honda designers have been throwing out bad designs for the last decade. I love the performance of this thing but it looks not that good outside and kinda awful inside. I don’t understand how their touch interfaces are so bad, when companies with long histories of bad electronics like Chrysler group have smooth 60fps screens.

[@Android-vk8yh]

Its kind of irrelevant because the new shape and design 2022 Type R is coming, you have to applaud Honda for always trying to please it's customers and the engineers intelligence, I have an old Na Type R and I love it but respect the turbos power, the R + mode is for a track which again for a hot hatchback is great. Comparing it to a GR yaris is again in relevant because the different class of cars the gr would fit in the boot of this more practical car that can carry loads of fancy shirts, you also keep mentioning the golf again one is a boring plain shirt the other one is a lairy one with a personality

[@lonewarrior1543]

Like your work ethic Jay....keep em coming

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks chap

[@cplogs3828]

Why, it's a rubbish review.

[@redlineste4283]

I personally love a FK8 to be boy racer spec with all the wings etc. A hot hatch should stand out.

[@Turbotoaster1]

Have to say i disagree with you on this one quite a lot. Looks are subjective I like it, to me it's a lot more interesting than the same golf design that's been around for about 10 years now and quality seems to be getting less. But I've always felt that the media have gone to far saying they don't like this car. that's your opinion let people make there own mind on that. The engine (i have driven quite a few type r's and leased one for about 4 months) is one of the most interesting to drive modern units I've driven it actually revs out rather than running out of puff at about 5.5k and i used to get low 40's out of it on my 120 mile weekly commutes. Also disagree with you on the steering feel. Yes its an electric rack which isn't great for feel. but find a modern high power front wheel drive hatch that's better. You can certainly find a large number that at completely lifeless in comparison. As for the sport line I agree it could of been better executed. However, even it had of been I still don't think it would have sold with any real numbers as I don't think it would ever tempt people out of a golf or focus or megane. If they didn't get that the civic was like that to be different they wouldn't get one anyway

[@edombre4637]

I own a 2017 from new - disagree with several points: engine is fantastic, steering brilliant, aircon is fine, the ride is fabulous- it just smooths out the bumps at speed and stays planted. See the car in motion and it looks fantastic. Agree though the touchscreen is crap.

[@eze8970]

Thanks J, Honda do seem to be missing the mark a lot these days (at least in UK), great shame.

[@jamesmedina2062]

indeed. and closed the Swindon plant. I see them really losing global clout. But they are consolidating for future electrics.. Double shame! I wish they could give us ultra light cars with 100 mpg or better and hybrid acceleration assist

[@robbanjac5553]

Caught a glimpse of one of these yesterday and thought someone had "de-spoilered" their civic type R.

[@aadi8568]

Haha that's exactly what I thought when I saw one of them

[@thomasburley3450]

The Fk2 19 wheels with 245/35PS4S as fitted to the SportLine make a big difference to the usability and ride of this car on our pothole riven roads with no change in handling. If anything you can go faster because it's significantly smoother and your not constantly thinking about the next pinch flat or even new wheel. It's a £3K upgrade for an FK8 full-fat big winger but worth every penny.

[@fraserdb]

The main issue with the looks is the 50 different shapes and lines all over the back of the car. Too fussy!

[@bezzyranx9839]

Waaaaaaaaaaay too fussy!!😩🤦🏾🤷🏾‍♂️

[@smokesgtp]

God I'd love an Accord type-R. It'll never happen with the TLX, but It's nice to dream about. Even an HFP package would be nice. I just can't been seen in this thing...

[@robertshunter]

Disappointing news about the air-con, as we have quite a few days around here above that 200°F mark. 😂

[@acchaladka]

Yeah 28 degrees is in the high 80s if i remember the old system right.

[@robertshunter]

@@acchaladka 82.4°F

[@madmage2676]

Yea, around here 84F is a cool autumn/spring day. No problem with my AC. SomeFK8s are subject to a recall on the AC, I assume this is one of those.

[@AntoniusTyas]

Ah, the old TopGear feel is quite strong with this one. As for the CTR Sportline... no. I cannot gel with the way it looked. It just looks so awkward with that apologetic tiny wing and equally sorry-looking smaller wheels. I always prefer the standard bewinged CTR, but perhaps that's because I'm a card-carrying tart.

[@TomasWatchReviews]

All the design of this car is just fake vents and fake wings. Who would like a car with fake wings and vents?

[@kevinbarry71]

The 11th generation version should be coming along soon so I guess they weren't going to put much money into this one at this point

[@b3rs]

2023, not that soon.

[@julianowens4071]

All that said I think a car styled by an 8 year old car enthusiast still trumps a Germanic boardroom R

[@theinsideguy4076]

You've gotta go the full mile and get the TYPE R GT with the big wing

[@jamesmedina2062]

yes its perfect and is not even seen from the inside

[@deenoc3622]

The new 2022 Civic has addressed the interior issues. Savagegeese was gushing with praise for its USA review of the new civic. Hopefully the new 2022 Type-R will live upto expectations.

[@dorstefan]

Why would you get a Type R without the rear wing?

[@Stringwar]

All performance cars are stupid prices now. I sold my Yaris GRMN two months ago for £18k they are now listed at up to £23k with the same mileage. I30N when it came out dropped to about £21k almost immediately, the cheapest is now that price still today. Fiesta ST edition is nearly £30k. Unreal prices.

[@paul1978g]

I agree somewhat with your thoughts here James. Honda should have stuck to keeping the Type R as an out-and-out B road monster, wing and all, whilst pushing the Si as the "grown up" sports hatch. That way they can still do what they do best with the R, whilst taking a slice of the Golf money. I'm surprised at the MPG though, as I manage mid to low 40's in my FN2 Type R and use it as a daily. That comically huge boot makes it far more practical than such a fast hatchback has any right to be. Couple that with it being the last generation of 9k RPM N/A screamer, and I think you'll see why although I respect and admire the later Turbo cars for thier raw grunt, I feel Honda have left behind part of what made the R something truly unmatched. Honda made a hatchback for those who are comfortable with being thier own person and owning thier passions, a subdued and meek design is the antithesis of that.

[@mickl8212]

It still looks ridiculous and is impractical. If it looked more subtle, had five seats and could tow, LIKE THE ACCORD TYPE R, I'd have one in a heartbeat. Honda could easily do this.

[@jamesmedina2062]

Thumbs up for Civics with tow hitches👍

[@gio13qonq94]

Please do the Renault Megane RS!

[@bentullett6068]

Anyone seen these in the persuado Team dynamics colour versions as they have a metallic black body, black wheels with a orange details on certain parts of the car.

[@stereomtl9001]

the all new redesigned Civic is already out in the US & Canada , Type R is being tested on the Nurburgring as we speak

[@joshbechaistron791]

Always like your take on things, just blatantly honest. Personally I think the 2 primary issues in regards to modern sports cars are 4 doors and too much tech. I miss the days of sports cars being 2 doors...yeah I get they dont sell as well but it just seems wrong to have too many doors on cars like this. Likewise, I get that modern tech is a mix of regulations and modern expectation, but it's just too much unnecessary junk on what's supposed to be a fun, engaging, visceral experience.

[@wpjohn91]

Was this filmed a few months ago?

[@paulthomas6609]

Excellent video, I spied several times from a different 'perspective' one of Harry Metcalfe's favourite corners for his road tests, lol, it's a great area for cross-country driving.

[@madmage2676]

LOL, it's not that the market is strange 15:02, it's that all (worldwide) FK8 were produced in Swindon, UK, and that plant shut down (forever) at the end of July 2021.

[@pitmezzari2873]

I prefer the "boy racer" one.

[@callumpoole4806]

Hear instead of Here, but other than that great vid!

[@mohammadsattar5488]

Does this perspective work on the shirts he wears too ??

[@Punisher9419]

Too many sharp angles. The design would be better if it got rid of the BMW shark fin that every car has these days. It breaks the roof line too much esspecially when they went to the trouble of integrating the first spoiler into the roof line. The design overall does look shit though, looks like something bloody Ali G would drive. It's very gaudy and tasteless.

[@smilepermile8165]

From watching this video James, my guess is that you will not like the GT3 Touring when you get to drive it on your regular test roads. I'm not sure about the 991.2 GT3 Touring, but I heard that the 992 GT3 Touring shares the same suspension settings as the 'regular' GT3 with a big wing. So what was meant to be a more subtle/discrete GT3 with a name that implies 'for the road', happens to have the same stiff ride as the track focused winged' brother. Looking on the Porsche configurator, the 991.2 GT3 Touring was pretty much a 'package' that you ticked in the option list, but for the 992 GT3 Touring - they made it its own model in the 911 line-up.

[@andrewcubbage1007]

Thanks James, you have confirmed I made the right decision coming out of lockdown, ! I seriously thought about buying a Type R Sportline, but in the end went elsewhere

[@simoncheshire3820]

All cars out of my budget but why wasn't the Focus ST or even RS mentioned as an alternative in with the Golf GTI and i30N and the Megane Sport???

[@UnknownUser-rb9pd]

The criticism of the interior and features seems a bit unfair considering how much cheaper it is than something like a Golf GTI. The important stuff (excluding the turbo lag) is very good and I'm sure many people would rather put up with some lower quality switchgear and a low res rear view camera to save that kind of money. BTW, I don't get the need for high res cameras. If you can't see objects you're likely to hit in the lower res cameras out there, then you shouldn't be driving and should be visiting an optician.

[@questioner1596]

In North America the new generation is out (for non-Rs). It's much less of a boy-racer look, I wonder if the Type R will also look more restrained.

[@madmage2676]

Yes, you can find spy photos if you look. It's just like the Civic but with a medium sized wing. Bigger than the sportline, smaller than the GT.

[@grahamsmith2022]

It's Honda but not as we knew them.😔

[@bossadave]

The FK8 has a know issue with AC mine was replaced after just 8,000 miles. Build quality is surprisingly poor with noise dash plastic and trim.

[@LCOF]

After Jay missed the mark by a country mile with his first GR Yaris video, I don’t think I see him as a driver that reviews the way cars handle. He’s more a casual car ‘enjoyer’. So in that regard, his opinions on cars aren’t taken too seriously here.

[@andyhunt457]

I would suggest that turbo lag might be somewhat deliberate for the sake of emmisions?

[@Wanderhirsch]

Great! Perspectives is what we need.

[@buckleyn]

I was going to buy one of these but the 2nd hand market went crazy and wasn't worth getting (over 40k for one) so I ended up getting a 1.5 sport instead. After driving it for a few months I can say I've made the right choice it's much more comfortable and imo looks better as I'm not a fan of the boy racer look of the og type r. I just wish honda made a model in between the sport and the type r (like the old type s). My plan is to make my car like the type s they never made by using a ktuner or hondata to hopefully get a power figure in between the 2 models.

[@IfInDoubt..]

We did get the saloon in the UK... in 2019.... briefly.

[@Stormy177]

Somebody at Honda bought an Impreza Spec D and was inspired...

[@artgrusensky121]

yes even my TSX wagon has a 17.5 gallon gas tank...

[@artgrusensky121]

superb review. Even the 19"wheels are stupid if you don't want to eat rims. Yes awesome handler but still not adult. Have had 3 Hondas and quite frankly the company does not "get it". Think it was commandeered by millennial. Where are cars like my old 84 civic S? Or my 94 Accord Ex 5 speed manual wagon!

[@majortom1164]

Those are 19 inch wheels? They appear rather small on the car. This is due to a high waistline, common on many modern cars.

[@chrischris7598]

megane rs 300 trophy has everything! has the looks which is 100000 times nicer and it is incredibly fast to in the corners

[@cupidstunt22]

Only marginally less embarrassing looking than the full on Type R

[@GTE_Channel]

I like the design

[@ChrisFEJackson]

That wing & sharp edges are why I didn't buy one. I was invited down to Honda to have a sneak preview before it was put in the showroom. The tech was good but I just couldn't see myself in it, well I could but as a little 'tit'. Now a toned down version in styling, great! but now all the small bits you mention makes me think, that's what I like about your reviews. You get it all so thanks.

[@miguelbermudez4886]

It would be nice if you try a gt2rs

[@MisterEightyFour]

I neeeeeed that outro as a ringtone!

[@biseruk]

Golf look like shoes box... boring very boring...but Honda ,Honda it's always come with something spectacular,!! Like FK8 !!! Best hatchback in world!!

[@riccccccardo]

Love look of these cars.

[@candyartstv]

I thought they were making the sportline a 5 seat car?

[@tylerhough9124]

The Type R is so starved for downforce in the front I can’t believe the vents are fake. Too easy to spin the wheels on these machines

[@ruinunes8251]

I notice that in the civic 1.5 another day, pressing hard in the second gear and it seemed I was loosing traction. I can imagine in a type R

[@tylerhough9124]

@@ruinunes8251 my 1.8L will spin in certain situations too 😅 the type R is an incredibly capable car but if you give it the beans at highway speeds you can spin those wheels lol

[@ruinunes8251]

@@tylerhough9124 I believe so. 😃

[@CJax749]

Tbh o think you’re wrong on the gearbox - it’s more than capable of handling the power, in fact the standard box and clutch will take 500nm. The problem is how you’re driving it, far too many people slam it into gear and expect the gearbox to just take it, sadly this probably the outcome of DSG/zf8. Nobody cares for a box anymore. I wouldn’t say the error is with your friend as he probably can drive excellently, but the sad reality is that he bought it secondhand, likely from some yobbo who used to slam the gears like they owed him money😂 This seems to be a massive thing in the American community where they all claim the gearbox is shit, but funnily enough the problem rarely rears it’s head in the UK. Obviously there are the odd lemons but I can honestly say I’ve never had an issue with mine

[@R-Tap]

Civic Type R, Touring spec. The one the "grown up's" can now consider!.

[@philiphawkins4684]

You do realise Swindon honda factory closed.. there not making them anymore.

[@aadi8568]

Europe did get the saloon, I have seen a few civic saloons running about here

[@TekkenBones]

The problem with Hondas these days is their body styling is terrible. It's almost like they never worked out how to smoothly style the swollen body dimensions required for modern crash testing, compared to all the old sporty cars etc Honda used to make in the 90s. I really don't know how Honda are still in the car business, because, with the exception of the Honda E, the last 'good looking' car they made was (in my opinion) the 7th Gen Accord Type S from 2003. Everything else more recent has just been bloated and generic.

[@TassieLorenzo]

All the new 2022 Honda models (the new Civic, HR-V, CR-V etc) have smooth early 90's-like styling if that pleases you. :)

[@badusername4]

…. Hope James gets the gr86 soon

[@chrisnic8894]

Wow, aggressive drive by’s 😝

[@MrRoyck10]

Even with a COVID mask I will still feel embarrassed driving a Honda type R, i I’d rather own a GR Yaris if I am hard pushed. Edit: Honda along with BMW lost their identity with the bastardisation of bolt on blowers in their cars, Honda was the kind of four pot cylinders and BMW used to be the king of stra8 six, not anymore. I concur with you JayEmm.

[@ruinunes8251]

Type R’s are like marmite.

[@TheDalitis8]

Partly true, but it's not the fault of neither Honda, nor BMW. New rules and regulations, plus new tech, plus stupid consumer preferences have blunted what made those two carmakers world-leaders in previous decades.

[@number001]

Putting too much emphasis on infotainment for me , not a priority in a sports car

[@andyhunt457]

I often wonder how many people actually do over 300 miles in one go?

[@lukewatts3284]

Great review. Gr Yaris is in my future hopefully. Stick with my fiesta st mk7 for now though jay 😉

[@tavirosu25]

40k...uhm, sir, that Renault Megane 4 RS Trophy back there looks very tempting :) ps: Add +10k more and mayeb you can find that rare Megane 4 RS Trophy-R with the carbon wheels.

[@andreapaglia4255]

Next July we will have the new one..

[@ssjliano9971]

Someone switch the black ctr seats with me 😩😩