How Jet Lag Works

[@jeremywhite92]

That being said, I want another "Tag Across ..." - it was my favorite season.

[@crazyanimationtime]

good news! at the end of the last episode of season 5 they announced that there would be a tag across Japan next edit: it's been announced that it's not tag and instead capture the flag

[@SethJ-2525]

I agree!!!

[@Unbaguettable]

@@crazyanimationtime did they say it was a tag across? But yea its definitely in Japan

[@chloegaribaldi]

Why not a Battle Europe?

[@crazyanimationtime]

@@Unbaguettable they said it would be a train game like season 3 but taking place in japan. it probably wont be tag but maybe another game like it (unless it does end up being tag again lol).

[@triscuitbiscuit]

I love the Adam/Ben partnership. Their ability to play off each other really makes a big part of Jet Lag. I hope they don’t try to switch it around!

[@FairyCRat]

Yeah, I'm too used to "Ben and Adam"

[@hweigel528]

Adam and Ben definitely have great chemistry, but I think it could be good to experiment with mixing up teams sometimes. In some seasons the Sam+guest dynamic can feel a bit awkward/overshadowed by the Ben and Adam show. Like Dave said, it's important to make sure the guest looks good and has time to shine

[@skiphalfmouw5273]

Why do I feel like Ben and Adam don't really get along with Sam tho?

[@MonkeyBanjo7]

I want them to switch around and see how they adapt but I also love their partnership and chemistry.

[@FairyCRat]

@@skiphalfmouw5273 I assume he must be a pretty terrible boss behind the scenes

[@Ryan_Hecht]

It was KILLING me how familiar Ben looked during the first couple Jet Lag seasons...turns out we were both at Brown at the same time!

[@MonkeyBanjo7]

Very cool!

[@FairyCRat]

Love to see how Ben and Adam from not being famous have become Ben and Adam from Jet Lag.

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

I shall henceforth refer to all non-celebrities as "the guy from not being famous".

[@FairyCRat]

@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 that's how they were referred to in the intros to the first 2 seasons

[@davidanalog]

As far as switching up teams...the game is what brought me here, but the on screen chemistry between Ben & Adam is what brings me back.

[@JohnnyH1992]

I think Toby was the best guest so far, she really leant into the competition but was also fun and interesting. Brian is good for the comedy as he can drop the comedy bombs when needed. Even though I watched the round the world one with Joseph, I found him completely bland. But I’ve loved every season so far and can’t wait for the next season.

[@TaliyahP]

I think that's why they won too. I just feel like Sam got dragged down by partner's who werent on the same page strategy wise

[@aboveaveragejoe812]

I'm hoping they can get GeoWizard for a season!

[@afocusonsatisfaction]

@@aboveaveragejoe812 Oh man that'd be the collab to end all collabs!

[@AlpacaStorm]

Would love Ludwig in a season but obviously with his KZbin streaming contract he can’t be away for that long

[@MizSazz]

I like Toby didn’t like the season it wasn’t bad but it just wasnt my fave it felt too one sided

[@SirFranex]

I did a version with my friends in December and we're planning one for May, too. The first was tag in our city and now we're going to do connect 5 of our city's districts. It's totally doable, when scaled down.

[@MatthewGJones1]

I think it be neat if they produced the curse cards ect, that way you can do your own challenge but have the cards to use

[@europejski2492]

jakie miasto?

[@alexj.cooney5946]

Ya if they come out with a game for use that can be played in the city say with only walking oir bikes that would be awesome

[@Lavendarsblue]

@@MatthewGJones1 You could screen capture the cursed cards shown in the season and past it on to a card to add them

[@arnhouthooft2401]

Do you mind sharing the rules of the game on a city level? I've thought about doing it, but figured that it would not work on such a small scale.

[@Aukejorrit]

I don't know HOW you will do it, but i hope Toby comes back on future seasons. She was so much fun and so strategically tuned to the show. Just an incredible guest

[@WKS32]

I’d love to see a Nebula podcast on game design- maybe 5-10 episodes on how the game is designed, considerations you have when you design the game, obstacles you’ve hit, etc. a real behind-the-scenes on the logistics of Jet Lag. Something we the fans could take to make homebrew smaller versions for our friends.

[@grahamkort4908]

I mean, they gave us an episode on game design in Jet Lag: The Layover podcast...not quite what you were wishing for, but better than nothing!

[@dfp_01]

I don't think they should break up Ben and Adam's partnership for the more traditional game styles, if only because traveling is so much less stressful with someone you're close with. Also they created the Snack Zone in NZ and I don't see that kind of thing (or drunk Ben's antics, etc.) continuing if they were to swap partners.

[@loganleroy8622]

I did really like the Europe dynamic of three teams, I would like to see four teams one day just because it might allow for some temporary alliances to be formed during the game play and with the dynamic of the curse cards, it should create a crabs in a bucket dynamic as far as ensuring the game stays close to the finish line.

[@MonkeyBanjo7]

True, but I want to see their adaptation to a new situation. I also Love their chemistry though!

[@TylerStillPlayz355]

I think New Zealand with Toby was perfect. She knew how to strategize, she was fun, and it was one of the only instances that sam and the mystery person won.

[@veryboringname.]

I found that pretty interesting. Finished it in one sitting and didn't realise it was 52 mins long. Looks like Sam only found it half as interesting though.

[@aliceprab8704]

Dude that was perfect ✨😂😂😂

[@jaycartwright1170]

i saw that from a kilometre away

[@veryboringname.]

@@jaycartwright1170 Sorry. Next time I'll wendover backwards to come up with better puns.

[@gyderian9435]

Ben & Adam is such a wholesome duo. I need more

[@ivanajug9690]

The New Zealand game format is so good, you got to see so much while having to solve challenges, I would love to see more countries done like that, tag across is amazing as well, new favorite channel by far...

[@kaileysetter7691]

I agree! We got to see so much more of the country than in the train based games.

[@ivanajug9690]

@@kaileysetter7691 Oh definitely :) the whole country was covered and I loved road unlocking...

[@ijleach]

36:30 I believe at this point, my greatest reason for watching Jet Lag in general is my wish to have the chance to experience the games in the same way as you guys do. I totally would get as competitive as Sam, and love the seriousness vs laid back attitudes of Ben / Adam. Realistically, you have created something that a lot of Geography 'geeks' would love to do, given the opportunity at some point in their lives, and you are able to share it in an interesting way. In the UK, we have had gameshows such as Treasure Hunt and Interceptor in the 90's which inspired using the earth and known local areas as a 'gameboard' to more recently the series called 'Hunted' in the past few years, which allow folks to experience 'non threatening' simulated experiences of travel under pressurised situations which the viewer can then compare with their own experiences and agree / disagree with the decisions made at the time by the 'contestant'. It is a winning formula for folks who have that 'global' interest for what is around them, and there are even opportunities to introduce new places, just like this most recent series, where I've never been to New Zealand, but had some limited knowledge, so found the places visited around the country very interesting and often found myself googling these locations to find out more about them. If you haven't guessed, I really appreciate the work that you are all putting into the series / channel, and long may it continue, as you will have a Nebula subscriber for as long as you do! Many thanks!

[@davidlearner9662]

Talking about the possibility that Sam might pull rank never occurred to me. Since Sam stated at one point that Ben and Adam are the ones who come up with the rules, while Sam is busy with Wendover and HAI. I always figured that Ben and Adam were the ones who had final say on any rules disputes.

[@Almandeen]

I loved when they switched up the groups on tag across Europe, my favorite moment was when Adam was solo and went undercover 😂

[@NikkyElso]

If people want a version of jet lag they can play, they just need to scale it down to the city level and base gameplay and challenges around that. Even the Tag across Europe could get kindof expensive. Train travel is inexpensive but it isn't cheap either but most cities you can get transit day passes for a much more reasonable amount of money.

[@sylviaisafoot6570]

Saw another comment about this on one of the episodes and I absolutely love the idea. A small scale game like tag in New York with a few friends would be awesome.

[@livethefuture2492]

You know I remember this old board game I played with my cousins and it was I think called 'Scotland yard' or something, it was basically about catching a thief around London using various forms of public transport, but you would only know the thief's location periodically and you would have to guess and predict where the theif would go and somehow catch him. And you had like different tickets for each form like taxi, underground, ferry and stuff like that. So it could be a cool idea to replicate something like that in jet lag. (Kinda similar to the special episode they did with Tim Scott on his channel but on a bigger scale)

[@juliegolick]

The first round of the newest season was all set in Tokyo, so it's definitely something that could scale down to a single city and still be a lot of fun.

[@maciejbala477]

or just one country, honestly. Sometimes you can get good offers for transport for a day in a certain country. But yes, a single city certainly would work too

[@FrazJ]

I think it would be interesting to see a season where BOTH teams have NO idea what the game entails. Get a third party to plan the game, and have ALL FOUR of the competitors along for the ride. That would be a true equaliser and allow for pure raw strategy on the fly to shine through. Love all the seasons of this game though!

[@tavasp]

The problem with that would finding a trustworthy third party that would make a game that everyone would be comfortable with

[@hweigel528]

I wonder if Sam/Ben/Adam ever watch UK panelshows / gameshows like Taskmaster. They have a very similar dynamic of "this is a competition but also entertainment" which you don't really see much in the US

[@mdpoem3857]

They do - the challenges in the Tag across Europe are based on Taskmaster, hence the creative solving of the challenges. Of course then there was backlash from the viewers so they've done less of it now.

[@evanbrom1]

Ben and Adam are great in front of the camera.

[@sarahmclaughlin2608]

Obviously I want them to focus on the show, but something that immediately comes to mind as being a fun thing for a large group of people to do may be a city-wide capture the flag game in a city with ample public transit. I think it could be similar to tag, with a budget for transportation, but it would be per person and only apply when in the opposing team’s zone, and then you could maybe add challenges that people have to do in order to pick up the ‘flag’. Or maybe multiple ‘flags’ depending on number of people? Idk. I think it’d be fun, relatively accessible, could reuse a decent amount of previous work from the games to make the organizer’s work easier, and would be relatively cheap

[@Lavendarsblue]

That would be a good way to scale it for a larger group of people.

[@michaelnolan9416]

Can you see the future or do you work for them?

[@planefan082]

I bring good news!

[@matankesselman456]

It seems you're in luck, since the latest season of Jet Lag is capture the flag in Japan!

[@nickpulpman2796]

I would LOVE to watch them struggle in a game across the Balkans

[@Trailerparkwarlock]

This show is one of the best parts of my week when it is on. It’s wholesome, I learn a lot. It’s just fun and life is hard. I appreciate you guys for this.

[@EmmaVZ]

How about a jet lag season on bikes in the netherlands? Enough cycle lanes thats for sure, and tiny enough country to be able to do distances on bikes.

[@MartijnPennings]

Well, sometimes the fun content comes from difficulties, limitations and challenges. Biking in the Netherlands is not a challenge at all, so maybe it creates a better game if you biked in a place where it's just about doable.

[@ajrobbins368]

Keep Jet Lag authentic! It is my favorite series on KZbin by far, superior to all television and movies.

[@BeHappyByBike]

I like the talk about their collective, hopefully this extends to the whole team at Jetlag. Employee owned structures are an incredible way to run a business and create productivity eutopias because people don't fight to move up the latter but instead everyone is growing and moving up together.

[@admiralcapn]

I could see a New Zealand-style game played in Canada, which has a similarly linear road system due to all the ice and snow to the north. A max level of miles on the TCH would be imperative, but the insanely huge map would make for an AMAZING game!

[@trevorvanderwoerd8915]

If they do Canada, I think they should incorporate more "wild" and human powered transportation, like canoeing, hiking, biking, skiing, etc. Canada's calling card is wilderness.

[@loganleroy8622]

A Vancouver to Halifax trip would be interesting, plus it would be another excuse for Sam to try his French out, although it would be set to the Quebec difficulty level. I’ve thought they should do a season with US National Parks.

[@admiralcapn]

@@loganleroy8622 YES! I've said that before - specifically, they should include ALL the NPS units, which is currently 424 or 387 in the Lower 48 states. You could get some great challenges at some of the lesser known, out-of-the-way historical sites (Nicodemus? Arkansas Post? Pipestone?)

[@maciejbala477]

oh, tbh, good shout, though yeah, it'd need to be much more fast paced, or it'd be unreasonably long. But I think any country with good transportation and safe is always a good candidate and they made sure to check off most of those by now, so Canada would also certainly fit the bill

[@BigBoiiLeem]

Loved the latest season of Jet Lag, actually got me into the show, so I went back and watched them all on Nebula. If it's any kind of compliment, all y'all from Jet Lag showed me a great deal of my own country that had never seen and knew nothing of in Season 5, so thank you.

[@Hibleb]

I think one of the things that I like the best about a potential translation from Show to like IRL public events (ticketed public event, of course) is the pre-determined routes (obviously, speaking about the NZ season). That makes it fundamentally different than (as discussed) the Amazing Race or even other similar style city races. By setting the course/game board you’re keeping the focus on the challenges and gameplay and fun rather than say map knowledge or city layout or shortcuts or just general speed (like if you were running). I feel like this element makes it more accessible for different types of people and abilities (ie mobility issues, children, non-residents, etc.). Already rewatching the whole NZ season! Cheers guys. And special shout out to B&A - clever, creative, engaging editing is an unsung skill and talent.

[@sylvy16]

oh i never thought about that. Cause like I can do this game as a person who uses a wheelchair. Maybe with different challenges related to just looking at different unique landmarks or monuments

[@knoblauchhorst9405]

would love a nebula exclusive BTS video how they plan the seasons

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Definitely. I'd love to hear more about how they do playtesting

[@Elystal]

couple weeks ago I legit clicked in to learn science stuff, instead I am introduced to the best game show I've ever seen on this platform and binged every episode of it.

[@Site_42]

Made it to the straw debate.

[@MonkeyBanjo7]

What’s the time stamp for the straw debate

[@eyezak_m]

This is an awesome podcast, just discovered this today. Gonna go watch a few more!

[@567secret]

I think it would be interesting to do a game in the UK and bring someone like Geoff Marshall in on Sam's team, who knows local routes extremely well. Or something similar in another country.

[@4-1-19]

this was super interesting, especially with them talking about their dynamics. Loved it!

[@alexj.cooney5946]

Speaking of always keeping it fresh you've done trains and planes but have yet to conqour the seas. Maybe a boat season in the Caribbean. Some SCUBA challenges would be super cool. Would defininitly get some great footage and it could continue to show the world the beauty of our reefs and raise money to help them. For Nemo!

[@Lyarrah]

Wonder if they could do a river-based season too - like the Amazon Trail game but some place a bit more habitable lol. Making it down the Mississippi or Rhine or something.

[@lillydougjones]

I watch jet lag so much KZbin has suggested I watch videos in the category of "tag games"

[@mariag.1670]

This was really interesting and now I kind of want to rewatch some seasons of Jet Lag with this knowledge.

[@InsideInterpreting]

I would love to see Jet Lag: Scotland with train vs bus around the country.

[@brianbeach3024]

If you did make an “at home” version of Jet Lag, it would be super fun (and a bit niche) if there was a version that would be directed towards those with Non-Revenue Space Available travel benefits. While I understand that a certain rule (that you can’t use such benefits to make a profit) prevents the Jet Lag team from having a season based around this (it would be amazing), providing a framework for a game based on Non-Revenue travel would be epic for those of us in the travel industry.

[@camjynx273]

I think the only way to do a Jet Lag game for us to play would be a set of card like curses and challenges that we can have so we can just do a scaled down version in like city, or state

[@MrPenguinLife]

Great interview, can't wait to see what you come up with next. Now a bit of a review, I watched all of your NZ season on Nebula, and while I liked it, but it took a few episodes to get enthused, and I don't know why, maybe because it was a semi-fixed route, maybe because it was all car based.

[@CaptainAwesome923]

The couch that Ben and Adam are sitting on looks so uncomfortable

[@LeoFlickMix]

It's true that all the games in jet lag are doable. Unlike other game shows, in jet lag you can actually gather your friends and do it.

[@aero3469]

Watching this is honestly having me question if they’re friends outside the game rather than just employees and a boss 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@trykarat]

Excellent podcast with excellent people. More please!

[@1will2kill]

Love the meta discussion about the game, the show, the company, etc.

[@runarandersen878]

Interesting to watch. Would love to hear more from Ben though.

[@Swimmingwithlake]

They should make a behind the scenes for every season creating the game

[@edra2005]

Toby is awesome I hope she becomes a regular jet lagger

[@dontich]

Lol love the random Kant stuff- I had some super big flashbacks to high school debate lol

[@1FrostySlime]

Release The Straw Cut

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

I would honestly watch an entire podcast-length clip of just straw conversation.

[@TheAllyAvery]

Petition to have Dave be a guest on a season !!

[@cdw2468]

didn’t know ben and adam were ivy league, they definitely don’t give off that vibe

[@louisalexallen]

I love how you ended with a twitter shoutout but only did Sam.

[@JaydenWorth]

43:16 I love the discussion here after hearing y'all try to explain "What do I do?" All 3 kinda flip-flopped on the term "creator" which I totally understand cause that's such a simple undynamic answer, however, after the timestamp you so eloquently summarize why CREATING QUALITY CONTENT is what you strive to do and actively achieve imho. Love everything about it. Thanks!

[@aggiesrecruitingexpert]

Id like to see miniseries's, maybe something like "We turned Texas into a giant board game" Or some state or region or whatever And it lasts 2 or 3 episodes

[@Lyarrah]

Now I'm imagining JET LAG THE MOVIE and it's just NYC subway system stuff the whole time. be ironic with the name but would be fun.

[@loganleroy8622]

Would they be willing to put themselves through using the US public transit system just to demonstrate its quality compared to that of Europe and Japan?

[@aggiesrecruitingexpert]

I know of a KZbinr (Jeb Brooks) who does that very thing.

[@laurenlabella7231]

In reading the comments, most people love Ben and Adam together. I would agree. I think Sam's dynamic is always a little off with the partner because it isn't as solid as B/A. Sam also sounds incredibly busy, in addition to him being the "boss". I think the show would find success in having Sam stick to higher creative roles and narrating, while allowing guest couples to make up the second team.

[@komojiro7397]

I think that they are all important parts of the channel but Ben and Adam just usually overshadow Sam.

[@loganleroy8622]

I always see B/A as the comic relief team that usually also much more cunning in how they play the game.

[@maciejbala477]

@@loganleroy8622 yeah, because they are solely focused on it, therefore they can play it very effectively.

[@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721]

I will be really excited when the day arrives that we receive a playable version of Jet Lag. But there's no rush. The fan base is definitely still going to be here no matter how long we have to wait for that.

[@simon7762]

Bless the algorithm for this video suggestion

[@elcucumber2847]

oh how i would love to see the uncut straw conversation!!

[@wschmrdr]

One thing that's also nice about Jet Lag is, aside from the obvious travel aspect, is that you aren't forcing the game on account of production costs; you're doing all the filming yourselves with selfie sticks. With a show like The Amazing Race, there's no point in working hard to gain a lead because you'll lose it on account of everyone needing to be on this one flight to somewhere.

[@NBTJacklyn]

Loved this episode

[@Citizen5101]

Jet Lag is literally the best thing on the internet

[@juozasuwu4537]

More stuff in Europe would be great

[@AliJardz]

Loved this - great conversation.

[@tadasstrikauskas1205]

This trio is like Jeremy, James and Richard from grand tour.

[@Chris-im3ys]

What an awful thing to say about somebody

[@sushi777300]

I hope not. Those three turned out to be awful people, especially the maniac and the little one

[@nicknack003]

we’ve finally reached a generation who refer refer to them from GT instead of Top Gear. Sigh…

[@wschmrdr]

When I think about it, while it'd be nice to know what all the challenges were, some of the challenges could also run into liability issues if people tried to recreate it, such as the beer mile.

[@JaydenWorth]

"The kids go NUTS for a Trapper Keeper."

[@kbf6434]

I wish you guys would market your challenge cards. They are very creative & fun!

[@jurrasicparx]

I am definitly not like the best producer of shows like this, but would the New Zealand season been more interesting with more teams? I just think with 4x different teams, all the pathways would have been used and so much more drama. But also maybe not? I don't know.

[@sylvy16]

i feel like that would lead to some teams having more screen time than others, and someone has to decide what we see about which team and i think that would be less natural. Maybe each team has their own channel/video. Like each week you get four videos, one per team. In the current seasons, we get to see exactly everything that each team is doing. We barely miss any of their strategies

[@loganleroy8622]

Well that might give them a chance to entice more viewers to episodes behind the paywall or have a midweek release of extra content from things that don’t make it to KZbin. I’d like the idea of four teams because there’d be temporary alliances formed out of necessity during the gameplay.

[@jamesreid8523]

Will Ben get drunk again in the next season because that's always funny!!

[@jamesmiller7712]

3 things are certain in jet lag Adam screaming "babbyyy" at the end of a sentence Sam calculating 3/4 of the route in his head at the start Ben getting drunk

[@texasgypsi]

​@James Miller or Adam calling Ben hey buddy....

[@irtwiaos]

At this point, one of Ben's core competency to Wnedover is getting drunk on camera.

[@mariov5035]

Dave and the 3 beasts

[@SLane-mi9ft]

Dave where did you get your jeans? For years I've been searching for the holy grail, grey jeans with a contrasting turnup. Thanks in advance

[@dwiskus]

Boss

[@SLane-mi9ft]

@@dwiskus thanks, I'll start searching.

[@luigigaminglp]

I dont exactly buy into the "i bet X is doing Y" moments followed by a clip of exactly that, but since its just too hilarious its okay with me lol

[@luigigaminglp]

Also can we talk about the drip Ben has like i guenuenly never care about looks but dammn

[@Ladderphobia]

I'm one of the 12 who have seen Jet Lag, don't follow the folks on Twitter, and have watched this video through to the end. Hello! 👋

[@JustJ_KK]

Tag across the British isles

[@Nderak]

the fanbse is engaged but this is desirable reality content like what used to be on cable televsion 10-15 years ago, that is back is a clearly superiors quality.

[@Djungelurban]

I super agree with Ben. When I went to Korea last year I bought a total of 1200 plastic straws... I'm hopefully now set for life and hopefully I will never have to use another paper straw ever again.

[@vanwesthuizen7427]

Really interesting seeing these insights.

[@AlexLawngtv]

Sam, i can tell you why the fan base is so deep. Trains.

[@animalcrossingweekly12]

I need a sequel to this video just being the straw argument

[@TonyTheYouTuba]

Yeah. Release the Ben cut. Nebula exclusive is fine.

[@StrangerOman]

I'm yet to watch Jet Lag but it's the backlog. Seems like a cool idea and it seems like a good show if it's that popular.

[@ajrobbins368]

This interview is excellent!

[@just_a_yokai1103]

Ben and Adam got so much drip, holyyy 🔥

[@lmnop29]

release the uncut straw convo 👏

[@marianamauricio]

love these guys!!

[@hpe340]

Yes but whose money was being spent on the first season

[@nicholasoxaal2518]

Nice goggle tan Sam I got one going too

[@TheBlessingReport]

This is masterful

[@CauldronOfRamen69]

we demand the straw cut

[@adilhooda]

Ben I think I used to have the same opinion as you about plastic straws, then I considered it as reminder that we need to be more sustainable and that marketing value makes it worthy. 100% sustainability as a goal.

[@ironnwizzard]

Ben's controversial take isn't even that controversial, it's just flat true.

[@Visionaep]

Cant wait for Japan

[@lexinah3292]

I wanna hear this straw conversation!

[@BradCarbiener]

I really appreciate the honesty with the timeline. I was watching the race across the US and I was wondering if it was really that close. It was nice to feel that it wasn't a made up timeline.

[@ummi604]

I like those guys.

[@felixsmdt]

Wait? How exactly is Sam Daves boss? I don’t see an obvious connection. I don’t usually watch this channel. I came here, like I assume most, from Jet Lag.

[@djinthemixxX]

I think he is one of the founders/investors of nebula

[@SgtJet3]

Y'all should try and get ludwig as a guest. I think he'd be great.