herO and Dark both play DRUNK STARCRAFT FINALS | OlimoLeague 230 (Bo5 PvZ)

[@Spreadlove5683]

I want to see hero and dark actually get drunk and play a finals

[@tamirleibovich]

That desperate one DT recall 46:02

[@matth1005]

You know the game is over when pig starts talking about German kebabs

[@Esett]

Watching Dark play is pure entertainment.

[@phib4107]

I think it's a mistake that Her0 was warping in ONLY Stalkers in game 1 for the defense after 3rd base died. I think players and casters regularly underappreciate Adepts in mid and late game situations vs light units and go Stalkers by muscle memory.

[@katesperinck1401]

it's because adepts have virtually no scaling, they don't even trade that well into lings compared to stalkers with blink and they auto lose vs every Zerg unit including Roaches, which is pretty bad. If you're warping in adepts to defend a 3rd, your Zerg opponent is extremely happy, and you genuinely are better off letting the 3rd die.

[@phib4107]

@@katesperinck1401 I hear ya. Stalkers sucked at killing the mass lings in that game though. He needed em for the Queens and dropperlords, but I still think Adepts are just written off by default more than they should be when the enemy composition is high in light units.

[@Kay-bs3bl]

​@@phib4107Problem with using adepts in a real game is they are too clunky. They are among the slowest gateway unit, only beaten out by zealot without charge and templar. Its speed is equal to a sentry. But whereas a sentry has 5 range, adept only has 4 range, which means adept not only always lags behind but also the last to participate in a fight, blocking other units (archon - faster speed, shorter reach) or being blocked (stalker - faster speed, longer reach, sentry - same speed, longer reach). They engage bad and disengage just as bad. They are not mobile enough to keep up with the much more mobile comp of just stalkers zealots and if you decide to run away, yeah, the adepts will just get left behind and die. Stalkers suck shit at killing lings but there's more longevity in them. And then there's the problem with adepts being anti-light. Yeah the damage is really good but protoss already has colossus or archon. Going for stalkers give you bonus against armored, it is not much but it's there. There is potential there. Mid game harassment with adepts might be interesting and quickly mixing in a few adepts rather than stalkers into a mass ball is probably worth it, but the learning cost to adapt adept into play is probably too much hassle for its viability, they are too situational to remember upgrading glaive for them. If you are only adding a few adepts into the ball anyway, why even bother lol.

[@phib4107]

@@Kay-bs3bl I agree with all of this. Your analysis of the range and movement and its effect on army movements is really good. I think the weird reality of Protoss units is that they're clunky, costly, and one-dimensional... so, like you mentioned you can't throw anything away, but you also have to pick the right thing for both now AND later on. I mean, just imagine if Stalkers had twice the fire rate with half damage per shot! Literally just shooting one of the twin blasters at a time rather than 2 - the DPS over time would remain the same, but you wouldn't have such a slow, awkward stutter step with so much overkill. Would be wicked fun! I feel like the Adept speed was optimized around the 1v1 against Reapers (Adept speed < Reaper speed < Adept Shade speed), because otherwise, the Adept would just slaughter Reapers... and weakening Terran like that is unthinkable. All that being said... I actually do like mixing in like 10-12 Adepts sometimes when I have a high Gate count and a solid army... A-moving my whole ball up to a battle line against an army or siege location... and then mass-shading to one or two mineral lines while the army stays and fights at the front. That along with a Prism warp/drop in another location makes for a really fast 3 or 4-prong headache, since one thing Adepts DO slaughter is workers. And all things considered, they are some of the cheapest available Toss units. In my original comment, I was really thinking specifically of Her0 just defending his 3rd base and worker line against what was effectively mass Ling that were already on top of him. He admittedly wouldn't have had Glaives, which sucks for sure. He could mineral walk the workers out of danger, cook the Ling ball for a bit, and strategically shade away with a pretty solid trade. But then, yeah, after that if he survives, he has Adepts instead of Stalkers. But I would try to argue that it wouldn't have been worse than how it ended up in reality... with the high Stalker losses he took and the subsequent slow, inevitable game loss from losing the base position and taking mediocre army trades. Not saying it would've been a guaranteed turnaround either, I just think there are some chances where it's a good move, but Adepts are widely pigeon-holed as ONLY bad ALWAYS, outside of very early game Glaive timings / scouting / 2-4 Adept worker harass. Cheers!

[@Kay-bs3bl]

@@phib4107 Yeah the potential for workers harassment is really good for adepts because they won't derp out as much as zealots do lol. The short range actually work in adepts favor because you can just get them in and hold position to full effect. They might even ignore planetary, might need to test that one out. And if you bother to shade to another mineral line or run away, yeah, even better. It's legit good tool if one is willing to pay the gas price and learn how to babysit them better than the zealots. Might be an overall good return too. And at lower league (where I am) mixing in adepts to surprise a MMM build is fun. Having adepts and guardian shield around and a gateway army of the same resource actually beat MMM with stim and shield at A-move lol. If you can make a pure gateway army that can beat MMM? That's pretty good stuff even if it's super clunky to make it works. I agree it's theoretically a good move for herO and honestly? Even if the pay off is vague theoretically and practically unachievable because you don't know what to do afterward, I'm all for encouraging pros to try this stuff out even at the cost of their losses.

[@Azarel410]

Last game is the drunkest game I've ever seen

[@jefferyharper5720]

Insane first and last games.

[@KG-sn4jk]

Pig, I visit family in Koln from the US every couple years. As a kebab enthusiast, please let me know the kebab place you were referencing so I can try it next time I visit

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

lol... not sure what happened.. I would of built 3 spine crawlers, because of the constant block, so I can get more lings, ( 6 more), in about 30 seconds I will have too much money to affording overlord.. that 5th game was strange.

[@ohmyonionpie]

29:00 dark vs hero absolute megamind moment

[@sanduflorin8146]

i miss starcraft 2 tournements so much

[@liam3067]

Best caster thanks PIG

[@StereoHound]

Ok, the spam commenting starts now.

[@bent1208]

Drunk commenting

[@StereoHound]

@bent1208 it's an inside joke that pig knows lol.

[@James-uk4xi]

Should have a stoner tournament. 2 bong hits before each match

[@bra-balllegend3940]

Bonus prize for hitting 420 APM. They'd probably get stuck in the mid-teens, though.

[@James-uk4xi]

@@bra-balllegend3940 ahah I haven't played this game not stoned in years, I'm right around 130-170 depending which race.. More ppl need to chill out and play this game baked imo ;D

[@arkansasorigami83]

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[@MattHallahan]

Hero is playing Beating World Champions With Stupid Stuff

[@ChokedByHalo1]

this game is so ahh i just cant

[@mpost909]

That was the most NA series ever.

[@VirgateCrawdad]

great game

[@adrianis4932]

Amazing Her0

[@christophergreen6595]

16:00 with the new energy, seems you should make sure you always have a casting unit in play. Lotta waste otherwise.

[@ff_s_]

comment so youtube loves you

[@JoshSmith-ek5gk]

Her0 is 🐐 I wonder what he’s talking about in his name who is the “her 0”

[@ltra42]

i take it, it starts in lowercase so it should end with lowercase. So, the 0 is a zero rather than cap O. Then it reads, starts with hero ends with zero or hero or zero (if it's an O then hero, else zero).