Heroes are good - let's make statues of them

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Lindybeige

Lindybeige

8 жыл бұрын

Nelson was a hero whose deeds were rewarded by massive monuments. Would he get the same treatment today?
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Was Lord Nelson a war-monger? Did he start the Napoleonic Wars? I'd contend that he did not, but that he certainly helped to finish them. In London, there is a huge monumental square to commemorate the man and his great victory at Trafalgar. Would we ever honour someone similar today? I fear that we have developed a mind-set that makes it near impossible to celebrate an heroic act, because every hero has to be used as a 'role-model'.
If you are curious to see Trafalgar Square on Christmas Day, you can see it here. I can recommend cycling in London on that day - you have the bus lanes all to yourself. On any other day, you need much more courage.
In this I say that Landseer "based" the monumental lions on those in the Tower of London. Perhaps I should not have used the word 'based', but it is true that he did sketch and paint the lions there before sculpting the lions.
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@tobyzxcd
@tobyzxcd 4 жыл бұрын
Anybody else get this in their recommended after the events in bristol?...
@hamstermo
@hamstermo 4 жыл бұрын
Yep
@tayetrotman
@tayetrotman 4 жыл бұрын
Aye. And it summarises everything I could possibly have to say about it.
@matthiashesse1996
@matthiashesse1996 4 жыл бұрын
@@tayetrotman But there is a small difference between Nelson and some guy that was doing philantrophic work with the money he got by enslaving about 80.000 people...
@SilverMe2004
@SilverMe2004 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiashesse1996 So let me get this straight some slave trader that was still trading after Britain declare the slave trade illegal, basically brought himself a statue? Buy being generous with his ill gotten wealth? And people are upset that it got removed? If there is a statue of Winston Churchill raised by white nationals in honorer of him being a racist, then I would say it needs to be removed. But If it was raised because he lead Britain through WWII, then the fact he didn't like poc(*) has nothing to do with the statue *I'm not aware of his personal view on race. 1)If he ever did act on his (supposed) racist views as PM then I would suggest his statues should be amended with a plaque explaining such. 2) Around that time racism wasn't considered completely bad Finally, I can see no reason why there should be statues to the opponents of emancipation in emancipation park it would be like raising a statue to Pierre-Charles-Jean-Baptiste-Silvestre de Villeneuve in Trafalgar square
@a_Minion_of_Soros
@a_Minion_of_Soros 4 жыл бұрын
@@SilverMe2004 yeah
@RoninDave
@RoninDave 7 жыл бұрын
Lady Hamilton also admired Nelson's column.
@cameronmcallister7606
@cameronmcallister7606 7 жыл бұрын
Oh I say!
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 7 жыл бұрын
Woof!!
@Healermain15
@Healermain15 7 жыл бұрын
*pops monocle*
@thehunter5475
@thehunter5475 7 жыл бұрын
you should get a statue for that comment
@pavelselenyi8370
@pavelselenyi8370 7 жыл бұрын
Ohohoho, good one, sir! Good one indeed!
@baseddruid8773
@baseddruid8773 4 жыл бұрын
KZbin's algorithm has a horrible sense of humour lol
@alf9545
@alf9545 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed 😂
@shadosnake
@shadosnake 4 жыл бұрын
yeah its crazy lol
@a_Minion_of_Soros
@a_Minion_of_Soros 4 жыл бұрын
Or some subversive ideas.
@thomashambly3718
@thomashambly3718 4 жыл бұрын
Yep
@mickeyrat2313
@mickeyrat2313 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@daveh3971
@daveh3971 4 жыл бұрын
youtube algorithm seems to think this is relevant lately...
@AlienTreeGuy
@AlienTreeGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Very strange.. ;P
@VirtueCry
@VirtueCry 4 жыл бұрын
Same. Though it makes sense Nelson got a statue in the first place. He was a hero. The statue of Robert R. Lee is strange because he was the loser fighting for the slave owners. Glad we're finally get rid of the statues of the traitors.
@daveh3971
@daveh3971 4 жыл бұрын
​@@VirtueCry I dunno, Napoleon lost too, and there are plenty of statues of him. By all accounts Lee was an accomplished general. Abraham Lincoln named Steven Douglas as one of the 4 horsemen of slavery, yet he has a tomb in the middle of Chicago that nobody seems concerned about tearing down They tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus recently... I don't think he fought in the civil war, he's just a 'problematic figure' according to leftists. In the UK they vandalised a statue of Churchill and are calling for the removal of plenty of people who, by modern standards, had 'problematic views'. In any case as a general principal I don't think historical artefacts should be destroyed by an angry mob.
@VirtueCry
@VirtueCry 4 жыл бұрын
@@daveh3971 Christopher Columbus was the one to start slavery in the Americas. General Lee lost. He betrayed his country and should not be honored for it. He will be remembered in the history books, but do not glorify him with statues.
@daveh3971
@daveh3971 4 жыл бұрын
@@VirtueCry I don't think it's up to you or an angry mob who people choose to glorify with statues. I don't like seeing statues of Karl Marx around, since the pursuit of his ideas has led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people, but people have the right to build statues of him, however misguided I think they are. I certainly don't have the right to destroy something that someone else built just because I don't like it.
@KurtisTheLoyalBriton
@KurtisTheLoyalBriton 4 жыл бұрын
This is awfully relevant.
@bryelop
@bryelop 4 жыл бұрын
They won’t tear down Nelson. He wasn’t some awful bigot or slave trader
@KurtisTheLoyalBriton
@KurtisTheLoyalBriton 4 жыл бұрын
@@bryelop Unfortunately what you are using there is common sense. These unprincipled rapscallions are without it.
@lawrencian
@lawrencian 4 жыл бұрын
@@KurtisTheLoyalBriton he's actually under threat. there is a website called topple the racists and it's a map with all the statues and plaques they want to remove and Nelson's column is on it
@laurie1183
@laurie1183 4 жыл бұрын
@Winston Mosquehill Not sure tbh since I doubt he ever even met a black person
@Nolant.
@Nolant. 4 жыл бұрын
FearOfFacts that last one isn’t bad
@killslay
@killslay 7 жыл бұрын
to be fair, lady hamilton was a 10. that's worth a statue
@thrillofbattle3801
@thrillofbattle3801 4 жыл бұрын
:D
@gossythepadre
@gossythepadre 4 жыл бұрын
Love it
@jeffmcmurray9856
@jeffmcmurray9856 4 жыл бұрын
The affair alone should get him the statue
@migkillerphantom
@migkillerphantom 4 жыл бұрын
@catothewiser that's what the phrase 10/10 is all about my friend ;)
@petef15
@petef15 4 жыл бұрын
Probably why the statue was so phallic
@erikandersen5790
@erikandersen5790 4 жыл бұрын
“He did the single greatest thing that anyone could do for mankind” “that’s right, he stuffed the French.”
@erikandersen5790
@erikandersen5790 4 жыл бұрын
@chris younts whos that?
@lemons1559
@lemons1559 4 жыл бұрын
@@erikandersen5790 A guy who stuffed the french. He's also the guy who killed the leader or Nazi Germany. All in all a great guy with some flaws here and there.
@mazen6446
@mazen6446 4 жыл бұрын
@@lemons1559 we should give him a column too then!
@lemons1559
@lemons1559 4 жыл бұрын
@@mazen6446 I don't know why we haven't. A true war hero.
@tomc.5704
@tomc.5704 4 жыл бұрын
@@lemons1559 Let's not forget, he had a good go at stuffing the soviets, and he did wonders for Germany's economy. But his art wasn't any good, so....
@jensfranssens2858
@jensfranssens2858 4 жыл бұрын
This video is going to get a second life
@thedarknight5714
@thedarknight5714 4 жыл бұрын
@Scott Johnstone exactly ha ha
@blasterofmuppets4754
@blasterofmuppets4754 3 жыл бұрын
he also has a video questioning Britains status as an EU-Member :-D
@Mr47steam
@Mr47steam 8 жыл бұрын
Who leaves a baby in a burning building? Aside from Spiderman Movie parents.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 8 жыл бұрын
+Mr47 steam It's traditional.
@Sipeari95
@Sipeari95 8 жыл бұрын
+Mr47 steam More importantly, what kind of person rescues a burning building and leaves the baby?
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 8 жыл бұрын
+Sipeari People terrified of what that baby might be concealing in his diaper? I mean, even grown people might shit themselves if trapped in a burning building; with a baby it's a given.
@OtgerFabreTsuiIzumi
@OtgerFabreTsuiIzumi 8 жыл бұрын
+Mr47 steam Superman movie parents.
@KaiHonsou
@KaiHonsou 8 жыл бұрын
+Mr47 steam How many floors is this building?
@konstancemakjaveli
@konstancemakjaveli 8 жыл бұрын
Its so stupid destroying historical maonuments because they dont stand to todays moral standarts. Its like christian purge of antique monuments in 4th c.
@NightDoge
@NightDoge 8 жыл бұрын
+Matīss Veinbergs -- Or like ðe French purge of...basically everyþing not rational during ðeir revolution? or is it too diffrent to compare?
@konstancemakjaveli
@konstancemakjaveli 8 жыл бұрын
Rainbow Bubbles that was an ideological purge, not an intellectual purge
@jeremiaas15
@jeremiaas15 8 жыл бұрын
+Matīss Veinbergs I think you'll find that the "Christian purge of antique monuments in the 4th century" didn't really happen. Furthermore, there was never such purge in Eastern Europe, and in the Western it only started after Rome separated itself from the majority of Christians in 1054.
@konstancemakjaveli
@konstancemakjaveli 8 жыл бұрын
+jeremiaas15 it didnt happen in eastern europe because there was no christianity there yet you idiot. Also, tell that to the dead Oracules and ruins of ancient greek temples.
@OriginalYTPooper
@OriginalYTPooper 8 жыл бұрын
+jeremiaas15 There was a noticeable effort to destroy Pagan temples within Rome from Constantine's reign, but I don't know if that's what he meant.
@skivvytv6229
@skivvytv6229 4 жыл бұрын
"How disabled do you have to be to be a role model" perfectly summonized, Mr Lloyd
@bobdown8043
@bobdown8043 4 жыл бұрын
Well this is topical right about now.
@alexthehistoricalgamer9909
@alexthehistoricalgamer9909 8 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a statue of somebody that rescued a burning building.
@Markenjiru
@Markenjiru 8 жыл бұрын
+Alex The Historical Gamer Wouldn't that be almost every fire man? Except of course, when the building burned down to the ground. (Yeah, I heard his misspeak, too.)
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 8 жыл бұрын
+Alex The Historical Gamer Better, perhaps, than the other take in which I said 'rescue a building from a burning baby'.
@alexthehistoricalgamer9909
@alexthehistoricalgamer9909 8 жыл бұрын
indeed. the world would be full of statues for firemen, Doctor, Nurse, policeman and so on.
@Bitemis
@Bitemis 8 жыл бұрын
+Lindybeige It would take a brave man because that sounds terrifying.
@danmenard6917
@danmenard6917 8 жыл бұрын
+Lindybeige Ah but Lloyd, one must be careful of burning babies! They ruin the lovingly painted walls and fancy tiled and hardwood floors.
@Leoofmoon
@Leoofmoon 8 жыл бұрын
some people seem to want to forget history. Remember the heros of the past for both there good and there bads.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 8 жыл бұрын
+Leo Moon Yeah, that is what I get, that some people unless a writing or person lives to current moral standards, it should be banned or erased, which is absurd.
@bigleady
@bigleady 8 жыл бұрын
+Leo Moon The thing is that they aren't that bad even by modern standards. Rhodes in civilising Africa will have saved the lives of millions of Africans quite ironically
@SStoj
@SStoj 8 жыл бұрын
+Ariel Solomon Barbary slavers from North Africa enslaved millions of white Europeans between the 15th and 19th centuries. Everyone was doing it. Not just white on black.
@arielsolomon5645
@arielsolomon5645 8 жыл бұрын
Stoj "Slaves of the population" refered to colonial laws under which the population became like slaves. This all varied by location and European nation. The literal slave trade was something completely different.
@thurin84
@thurin84 4 жыл бұрын
we dont raise statues to great men and women because theyre perfect, we raise statues to them because they did great things.
@thurin84
@thurin84 4 жыл бұрын
@Wise Alaundo tell that to the retroactive purity testors of the new inquisition.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
We also raise statues to people who didn't really do anything but bad stuff because we agree with the bad stuff.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
@@thurin84 Um, you realize that the Confederate statues people want to remove are totally justified in being removed, right? It's not a case of "purity testers of a new inquisition." WE;re literally venerating war criminals and slavers who are also traitors. Nothing more anti-American than glorifying Confederate scum. Anyone who advocates Confederate memorials is a Fake-triot.
@thurin84
@thurin84 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 what do you mean "we"? and as far as i know only bad people have ever raised statues to bad people (mostly themselves). and who decides whats "bad" and what isnt?
@thurin84
@thurin84 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 no. its not that simple. the community obviously felt a reason to erect said statue. it should be up to the MAJORITY of said community if a statue be removed or not. not an easily offended vociferous minority. its EXACTLY a modern purity test by said vociferous minority. they were not judged to be war criminals at the time and should not be judged by a bunch of offended BABIES today. those confederates were also our brothers and sisters and needed to be reintegrated into american society. i mean what are you advocating? that all former confederates should have been rounded up and liquidated in your "fun adult reeducation camps"?
@trainboyben7718
@trainboyben7718 4 жыл бұрын
Damn 4 years ahead of your time
@redd_cat
@redd_cat 4 жыл бұрын
Tyrants have been tearing apart our heritage for decades.
@nicyt7391
@nicyt7391 4 жыл бұрын
Crazy Redd ‘Tyrants’ is a cute way to describe a certain levantic people
@tomsmith4648
@tomsmith4648 4 жыл бұрын
@CyberNomad yikes, bunch of nazis in the comments here 😬
@thenamegoeshere3393
@thenamegoeshere3393 4 жыл бұрын
@CyberNomad The people making fun or Reddit are far, far worse than the actual people on Reddit because of things like this.
@thenamegoeshere3393
@thenamegoeshere3393 4 жыл бұрын
@CyberNomad I'm not the one going "Haha not gamer moment keanu reeves big chingus" in a completely unrepated discussion and big chungus memes, wholesome 100 and keanu reeves were popular on Reddit when there were popular elsewhere. Also the average Redditor, nay and overwhelming majority of redditors aren't racist and don't use the n-word just like the average KZbinr, and just like KZbin there are left wing and right wing communites on Reddit (Despite the fact that the latter tarnsh the name of both these sites(and rightfully so)). Edit:(This is so you know what the edit was, I know many people have a negative opinion of announcng because people on Reddit like to thank people that give them thing sometimes) You also only made fun of the fact that people on Reddit use memes in your original comment, not that they say the n-word.
@noogai8
@noogai8 8 жыл бұрын
"Thanks Norway" Norwegians always get giddy when we're mentioned :)
@jodu626
@jodu626 4 жыл бұрын
noogai8 you’re a good bunch. Well regarded in the UK. I spent time in Norway when I was in the RM. Good times
@SargonofAkkad
@SargonofAkkad 8 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the iconoclasm of the modern progressive movement, Mr Beige.
@hellmes1826
@hellmes1826 8 жыл бұрын
Hey its sargon! hey sargon! notice me sargon! how do I get into the shitlord club sargon! sargon, sargon sargon sargon sargon sargon.
@tiaandeswardt7741
@tiaandeswardt7741 8 жыл бұрын
+Sargon of Akkad Hi! This was a pleasant surprise :)
@wizard0313
@wizard0313 8 жыл бұрын
Are we gonna have statues of fat, crippled women now for the sjw's and femminists?
@tiaandeswardt7741
@tiaandeswardt7741 8 жыл бұрын
Wizard 03 Yeah, because they stuffed the manspreaders
@howdoilogin
@howdoilogin 8 жыл бұрын
+Sargon of Akkad SARGON WATCHES LINDYBEIGE??? This has made my day.
@ma9x795
@ma9x795 4 жыл бұрын
Nelson's statue atop the column is around 14'6" tall. Nelson himself was around 5'4" tall. That's Horatio of about 2.7 to 1.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 2 жыл бұрын
Get out
@marine76a
@marine76a 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Horatio Nelson also stuffed Emma Hamilton and she was no lady.
@moxie_ST
@moxie_ST 4 жыл бұрын
It seam that he was stuffing a lot , you cheaky Nelson ;-)
@marine76a
@marine76a 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, at least his demeanor was not stuffy, here's some more interesting Admiral Nelson noise if you like. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6W0m3yNe5d3nsU
@D3w10n
@D3w10n 7 жыл бұрын
So TL;DR: He stuffed the French
@fsmoura
@fsmoura 7 жыл бұрын
*_*French stuffing intensifies*_*
@Ezyasnos
@Ezyasnos 5 жыл бұрын
Which is a good thing.
@rainydeestar4806
@rainydeestar4806 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ezyasnos wait no
@a_Minion_of_Soros
@a_Minion_of_Soros 4 жыл бұрын
The nonexistent god bless him!
@a_Minion_of_Soros
@a_Minion_of_Soros 4 жыл бұрын
@Dottoman 共匪 Well played.
@Serahpin
@Serahpin 8 жыл бұрын
0:35 "He did the single greatest thing that anyone can do for mankind. That's right. He stuffed the French." -Lindybeige Note to self: stuff French, get statue, be remembered forever.
@BountyFlamor
@BountyFlamor 5 жыл бұрын
Then why doesn't Hitler have one?
@nicktrains2234
@nicktrains2234 5 жыл бұрын
@@BountyFlamor only the British are allowed to stuff the French, if anyone else does it is cheating
@argh2945
@argh2945 4 жыл бұрын
@Caliban777 We have it so well and comfortably nowadays that we're in this topsy turvy society where we celebrate weakness and victimisation. It's surreal to pause and consider it sometimes.
@argh2945
@argh2945 4 жыл бұрын
@Jude M Well, if that's what you took away from my comment then I'm not sure how to engage with you tbh.
@fds7476
@fds7476 4 жыл бұрын
Pro-tip: Become a cook in France, offer _huge_ portions.
@dulguunmurunbarsbold210
@dulguunmurunbarsbold210 4 жыл бұрын
"It's stupid to judge people of the past with the standards of today." God, if only youtube recommended this earlier, better late than never I guess.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
It really depends, though. A lot of people did stuff that was known to be bad when hey were alive, too. The fact that SOME people did some things that were personally questionable is different from venerating horrific people who did basically nothing good. One good deed also doesn't justify venerating someone who lived a lifetime of evil.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 Destroying statues is evil. No one venerates them, they're part of their city, culture and history. Also how do you know they were "evil"? Did your friends in the progressive party told you?
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 "Destroying statues is not evil. It's a statue. It has no volition, no will, and no feelings. You can't morally wrong it. How do I know they were "evil.? Holy shit. how is that" was on my notifications. Well I guess inanimated objects don't have any value unless they agree with your ideology, am I wrong?
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
@@CvnDqnrU This also isn't a left issue. It's a common sense issue. You don't need a liberal professor to tell you erecting a statue to bad people is morally questionable. I don't think to myself "man, I am on the left, we really need to make a statue to communist dictators!" Because they're bad.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 Only some extremists from one side say statues are bad. We all know it is an ideological issue. You're in no position of doing any kind of city planing, much less destroying things.
@malafakka8530
@malafakka8530 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, judging the past with the standards of the present is one of the stupidest and easiest things to do. Even more so because sometimes it seems that it is used to block any further discussion.
@MrWesford
@MrWesford 3 жыл бұрын
Modernizing the past also blinds you from truly understanding the real context of past eras. And honestly, being blind to your past makes you blind to how you got to where you are, and thus blind to where you are.
@britishnerd3919
@britishnerd3919 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, but leaving statues up is a decision too. "Does this statue still reflect the values this society has" and if not, shouldn't be replaced with an even cooler person. I agree with Lindybeige that a persons provate life should not affect their statues, but what about when the great thing a person did directly relates to the bad? Churchill's famine of Bengal is directly related to the war effort. The great military acts of Robert E Lee were in service to defending slavery. The statue in Bristol taken down was a man who used his slave wealth for good in England, but it was still slave wealth. I'm not saying statues would be taken down by angry mobs, but there are tough and multifaceted questions here
@MrWesford
@MrWesford 3 жыл бұрын
@@britishnerd3919 I do think that if you have to be perfectly sinless to have a statue, than we would have no statues. So, in a way, having statues of anyone is itself acknowledging the grayness of right and wrong and trying to uplift the exemplary parts of humanity. It’s a very interesting conversation and I wish it were being had more than the Mob Rule we’ve been seeing. I also think that wether you tear it down, replace it or not, put it in a museum, relocate it, etc, etc has very deep symbolic meaning.
@britishnerd3919
@britishnerd3919 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrWesford that's true, but again there are times when the good and the bad a person did is so totally linked that you cant possibly honour one without inadvertently honouring the other.
@MrWesford
@MrWesford 3 жыл бұрын
@@britishnerd3919 and that’s where I would think the value of that person’s statue would be sparking the conversation itself. I think we all are unaware of what the future generations will say of us because of certain things our society tolerates/venerates that change through time. I’m not really advocating for one side or the other, but my natural position would be to keep all the statues up unless there are specific reasons and agreements to do otherwise. Because now I’m thinking about what we value in storytelling and how we all find flawed fictional characters the most compelling, but if those characters were non-fictional they would be demonized in many circumstances. Like I said, the conversation is valuable and I’d rather the conversation not disappear with the statues.
@SpitshineSneakers
@SpitshineSneakers 8 жыл бұрын
I think one other reason why we don't make statues anymore is because of postmodernism and the push for more abstract art. Also the fact that it's a lot harder these days for everyone to agree on who's a hero, typically because of political leanings. You'll certainly see far less recognition of war heroes like Nelson these days because of a large group of people would consider that unfashionable, regardless of their individual actions, good or ill.
@MinesAGuinness
@MinesAGuinness 8 жыл бұрын
+SpitshineSneakers I rather think you don't get so many statues these days because few have done anything resembling the magnitude of the achievements of Nelson in the past 70 odd years, since the last time a military leader had to do something as significant and succeeded. Those that do get statues.
@SpitshineSneakers
@SpitshineSneakers 8 жыл бұрын
That too. I'm just saying if someone like Nelson did show up, he still wouldn't get a statue because there would be people glossing over the fact that he saved the country from invasion and would simply call him an imperialist warmonger even if he only fought in defensive actions.
@soffa93
@soffa93 8 жыл бұрын
+SpitshineSneakers people don't even know what a hero is anymore, the term has been so debased in my country that you're a hero if you fucking get aids or something
@Gunnarr123abc
@Gunnarr123abc 8 жыл бұрын
+SpitshineSneakers There are statues of Eisenhower and Roosevelt in London, but those were commissioned under Thatcher. hmm... guess you are right
@emqufortytwo
@emqufortytwo 8 жыл бұрын
+SpitshineSneakers I am currently in Cape Town and have not seen a statue of Mandela yet. There is only a Boulevard named after him.....and one named after Princess Anne.... I suppose that nowadays you would not put up a statue of a living person. Although I don`t know when Nelsons column was built.
@TheGenericNerd
@TheGenericNerd 8 жыл бұрын
In Philadelphia there is a statue of Rocky Balboa.... A fictional character.
@CountArtha
@CountArtha 8 жыл бұрын
+Dexter Riley Detroit has a statue of Robocop.
@lessevdoolbretsim
@lessevdoolbretsim 8 жыл бұрын
What would Detroit have done if Kane hadn't been stopped?
@TheGenericNerd
@TheGenericNerd 8 жыл бұрын
lessevdoolbretsim Kane was nothing compared to Clarence Boddicker.
@lessevdoolbretsim
@lessevdoolbretsim 8 жыл бұрын
Dexter Riley Are you forgetting Kane was Robocop 2?
@TheGenericNerd
@TheGenericNerd 8 жыл бұрын
lessevdoolbretsim No I didn't forget. I just like Boddicker more.
@ochick1
@ochick1 4 жыл бұрын
This video is needed now more than ever.
@kynn884
@kynn884 4 жыл бұрын
Slave trading is a lot more scandalous than the affair nelson had lmao
@Vermbraunt
@Vermbraunt 4 жыл бұрын
@@kynn884 There are people saying we should tear down statues of Churchill and Queen Victoria too so yeah the video is needed today more then ever
@kynn884
@kynn884 4 жыл бұрын
@@Vermbraunt Saddiq decided that those statues should stay for now, which i agree with. I wouldnt worry lol
@kynn884
@kynn884 4 жыл бұрын
@Jude M He is the democratically elected mayor of london. And i think it was a commitee. Yeah id say thats ok.
@huskarl5366
@huskarl5366 4 жыл бұрын
@@kynn884 dude, sadiq is essentially the nero of london. He reasontly partied as his city burned. Under his leadership crimes especially gang related have sky rocketed. Hes a complete wet fish who before getting elected protected known and wanted jihadis and terrorists in court. I mean the mans a joke. (Also mayor of london isnt elected its voted on by guilds, do a simple google search it's literally all down to money and takes years of nepotism before you even have a chance to get voted on)
@ewaldseiland8558
@ewaldseiland8558 4 жыл бұрын
From what I gather it's not a good time for statues in Britain.
@tayetrotman
@tayetrotman 4 жыл бұрын
No it isn't. See, some people think they have a right to demand any statue they dislike be removed. In fact, one has been removed from an outdoor MUSEUM.
@owenjones7517
@owenjones7517 4 жыл бұрын
It's not a good time for common sense in Britain
@robinturnbull1731
@robinturnbull1731 4 жыл бұрын
Ewalds Eiland or anywhere
@ewaldseiland8558
@ewaldseiland8558 4 жыл бұрын
@@robinturnbull1731 Not anywhere; non-western countries are perfectly fine. Or are there Chinese people toppling Mao statues?
@Gorim33
@Gorim33 4 жыл бұрын
Or in America, or Australia
@ITSTIMETOSTOP
@ITSTIMETOSTOP 8 жыл бұрын
Stuffing the French sounds like quite an achievement. We still have statues and buildings commemorating the time that we and the French stuffed the English.
@samarkand1585
@samarkand1585 8 жыл бұрын
+IT'S TIME TO STOP who are you refering to with your "we"?
@ITSTIMETOSTOP
@ITSTIMETOSTOP 8 жыл бұрын
TOME Julien​ America. I'm not proud of my country so don't turn this into an America bashing thread. Thank you.
@samarkand1585
@samarkand1585 8 жыл бұрын
IT'S TIME TO STOP I won't, as I'm French and quite proud of what happened during the war of Independance
@WookieSwagga
@WookieSwagga 8 жыл бұрын
+IT'S TIME TO STOP Why you aren't proud?
@ITSTIMETOSTOP
@ITSTIMETOSTOP 8 жыл бұрын
Ezzolino da Romano I'm proud of the revolution and the world wars but the way things are going now is shameful. Pointless wars. Roads in disrepair. No decent jobs. I could go on. The leadership has done us in.
@calvinscheuerman
@calvinscheuerman 7 жыл бұрын
Here in America, something like 100,000 dollars was raised on kickstarter to fund a statue of Robocop. I'm not sure exactly what that says about my country...
@michaeledmunds1767
@michaeledmunds1767 7 жыл бұрын
Calvin Lee Well, he is a hero.... XD
@lillapabo8809
@lillapabo8809 6 жыл бұрын
Has Robocop stuffed the french?
@lindgrenland
@lindgrenland 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't say good things, mr. Lee. Not good at all
@Shiroi0moi
@Shiroi0moi 6 жыл бұрын
It's says that your country is rad, dude
@user-dn4ou7io1f
@user-dn4ou7io1f 5 жыл бұрын
Itsl says they dont know history.
@ngarumurray
@ngarumurray 4 жыл бұрын
Watching from Kenya. Favourite quotes "It is stupid to judge people from the past with the standards of today." "We reward people for their good acts in spite of their personal lives." Now I understand why some folks are against taking down Winston Churchill's statue.
@cheesuschrist8248
@cheesuschrist8248 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You understand the arguments that are happening.
@bradcraig2978
@bradcraig2978 4 жыл бұрын
this vids gonna get real spicy soon me lads
@lystic9392
@lystic9392 4 жыл бұрын
He's right though.
@bradcraig2978
@bradcraig2978 4 жыл бұрын
@@lystic9392 aye aye
@DoctorPhobos
@DoctorPhobos 3 жыл бұрын
@@lystic9392 Quite so.
@ahmadtarek7763
@ahmadtarek7763 4 жыл бұрын
The fact Nelson's statue looks at a models if every ship in his fleet is such a nice touch, heart warming even.
@TheNejD
@TheNejD 8 жыл бұрын
I think stuffing the french deserves at least a statue or an award of high repute named after you, I would be very proud of my achievements if they created the Nej D award of stuffing the french.
@psychocuda
@psychocuda 6 жыл бұрын
Mexican Army stuffed the French on Cinco De Mayo. Ole!
@argh2945
@argh2945 4 жыл бұрын
@@psychocuda Hahahaha I knew there was something I liked about Mexicans.
@GnLeugim
@GnLeugim 4 жыл бұрын
"It's stupid to judge people of the past by the standards of today"... this is so common sense, yet I fell it should be taught in schools anyway.. together with History.
@ideaaddict923
@ideaaddict923 4 жыл бұрын
Not everyone who did something good ever got a statue and far better people have come and gone since Nelson was about killing people.
@GorinRedspear
@GorinRedspear 4 жыл бұрын
But let it be REAL history, and not the fables that are taught today. If you ask who Cecil Rhodes is in Britain, chances are you'll get a whole different picture then when you ask this in Africa, and yet both versions are correct.
@danpope3812
@danpope3812 4 жыл бұрын
The problem is common sense or truth is not what these ppl are after. They only want control. Let them take down one it a fit and they will want another. It's not about racism or justice, it's about power. This has only just started.
@ThePoisonBiscuit
@ThePoisonBiscuit 4 жыл бұрын
They took history off the syllabus years ago
@GnLeugim
@GnLeugim 4 жыл бұрын
@jocaguz18 people's actions and choices are taken considering the moral and ethical standards of its time. He is not acting or deciding upon what might be right or wrong 200 or 400 or 1000 years latter. If by the standards of his/her day what he/she was doing was not morally questionable, he/she is not guilty of what he/she did. what's next? criticize Mozart for not using or playing today's music standards? (I guess he would love today's music btw lol) Criticize Leonardo Da Vinci for painting as he did, instead of drawing meaningless scratches on a canvas? or all princes for accepting to rise with absolute power to the throne instead of having elections and giving the choice to the people? More, what you do today, may be (or you think) is right, you don't know in a 100 years time. maybe you are doing something that then is hideous, how would you feel one day might be spiting on whatever is a memory of you, for something you feel you were doing right? The past is the past, it's History. And we cannot change it nor should we erase it based on present ideological agendas.. because that's dangerous, that, is the path of tyrants...
@keeperofthecheese
@keeperofthecheese 4 жыл бұрын
"Why cant we just celebrate the fact that someones done something really great?" "Its stupid to judge people from the past by the standards of today" NAILED IT LINDY
@tomm5663
@tomm5663 4 жыл бұрын
What if someone doesn’t do something really great. What if they donate to charity with money they got from selling slaves.
@rafaelbalsan4512
@rafaelbalsan4512 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomm5663 They still donated to charity didn't them? By our standards, it's repulsive and inhumane, but in his time it was just another regular enterprise, and considering that, he could have used his money with literally anything else.
@tomm5663
@tomm5663 4 жыл бұрын
Rafael Balsan bro the fact that slavery was common doesn’t make it all ok. Should people really be forced to walk past a statue of a murderous slaver on their commute? I imagine you might have some objections to a giant bronze statue of mao or Stalin outside your window, despite their historical significance.
@rafaelbalsan4512
@rafaelbalsan4512 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomm5663 I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying it was just regular, it wasn't exalted as something good but you wouldn't immediately understand it as something bad at the time. And also, nobody is forced to walk past that statue, and if anyone feels so deeply attacked by an object of history they should, honestly, buckle up. I am not Russian or Chinese, so I would indeed be unhappy with those statues, but I would petition for them to be removed or not build, not go there and destroy it like a barbarian fueled by mob mentality. History isn't pretty, and the past mustn't be forgotten, be it good or bad.
@tomm5663
@tomm5663 4 жыл бұрын
Rafael Balsan petition for it to be removed? But that’s history right there. It may not be pretty, and you may not like it, but you should buckle up and deal with it because real history doesn’t care what you think.
@leakycheese
@leakycheese 7 жыл бұрын
I visited the Maritime Museum at Greenwich and stood in front of Nelson's uniform..... it was tiny compared to me (6' 1") but even more so humbling for it's diminutive size and the accomplishments of the man. I held the sabre of a young Royal Navy Lieutenant (George Thorp), who was killed in action at the Battle of Santa Cruz de Tenerife where Nelson lost his arm and it was so small it felt like a toy but what sights it must have seen. Remarkable individuals of a different age!
@peterlynch1458
@peterlynch1458 8 жыл бұрын
Two main points from this video: 1. Lord Nelson stuffed the French 2. And Lady Hamilton
@gattzflappa6306
@gattzflappa6306 4 жыл бұрын
"Can we just admire someone for what they did for their country?" Year 2020: Nope.
@pavarottiaardvark3431
@pavarottiaardvark3431 4 жыл бұрын
"Can we just admire someone for what they did for their country?" What about what they did *to other countries* ?
@gattzflappa6306
@gattzflappa6306 4 жыл бұрын
@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Were is slavery most common today?
@pavarottiaardvark3431
@pavarottiaardvark3431 4 жыл бұрын
@@phillav11 "Who cares about other countries?" Well fuck, you've accidentally highlighted the central problem. Apparently asking people to care about people different from themselves is a step too far.
@Tempiere
@Tempiere 4 жыл бұрын
@@pavarottiaardvark3431 I think he meant who cares about other countries in the context of putting up statues. Why would the British want a statue of someone that has nothing to do with their country.
@pavarottiaardvark3431
@pavarottiaardvark3431 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tempiere What Imperialist did for the empire in other countries has EVERYTHING to do with our country.
@Bilbo-qq6ei
@Bilbo-qq6ei 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you youtube for recommending this to me in 2020, people need to realise what is being said here
@Patriotic_Brit
@Patriotic_Brit 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that recommendation was fitting.
@rancidkippa4589
@rancidkippa4589 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, let's just act as a mob motivated only by knee-jerk outrage. It'll be fine
@Jopp211
@Jopp211 4 жыл бұрын
Or maybe we should remove monuments that cause unnecessary pain to people that see them. If somebody was a slave owner and made their fortune from the suffering of thousands of innocents then they shouldn't be venorated...even if they gave some of their ill-gained profits to charitable endeavors and scholarships.
@modsiw10k
@modsiw10k 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jopp211 thoughts on a statue of Thomas Jefferson?
@capulet6669
@capulet6669 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jopp211 if statue causes you pain, then you should rethink your life. And read 1984
@danieltaylor5542
@danieltaylor5542 8 жыл бұрын
Spot on Sir! I was quite happy to see you posting a video today. This week hasn't been kind to people I like first Bowie, then Alan Rickman, and to top it off Skallagrim gets hit by a car. Thankfully Lindybeige is still going strong!
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 8 жыл бұрын
Almost fell off my chair at "Horse... Git on Horse"
@sumvs5992
@sumvs5992 4 жыл бұрын
Oh no. Just been recommended this.
@sumvs5992
@sumvs5992 4 жыл бұрын
@Republic Of Texas just more of the timing is all. Nothing against statues of anyone.
@Random-gk8do
@Random-gk8do 4 жыл бұрын
“It’s stupid to judge people of the past by the standards of today.” That is absolutely correct.
@gerardbuttigieg
@gerardbuttigieg 4 жыл бұрын
no it is not. People and their innate morals stay exactly the same - society is the thing that changes and twists peoples morals. In reactionary societies like Ancient Greece and Athens specifically you had people like Socrates who was as moral as any individual today. He bypassed thousands of years of evolution by not defending himself at the trial but rather trying to spread his message, knowing he would die so doing it. Karl Marx had ideas of eutopia and every class, race, creed or gender living in harmony - that was centuries ago. What is stupid to judge people by is their character vs their environment. People like Marx and Socrates were able to bypass society and think critically and differently - maybe not everything they say is right and maybe things could be better, they were as moral if not more moral than us. That’s a stupid quote from an argument thoroughly unconvincing.
@Rickuo
@Rickuo 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerardbuttigieg Jesus spoke badly of Jews.
@gerardbuttigieg
@gerardbuttigieg 4 жыл бұрын
Rokuro first of all I didn’t say anything about Jesus, that was the other guy. Second of all, that’s simply not true - Jesus was a jew himself and his morals were based on principle not on any religion
@elietheprof5678
@elietheprof5678 4 жыл бұрын
Slavery has *always* been wrong. Fuck your postmodern moral relativism.
@petrdv.6185
@petrdv.6185 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerardbuttigieg According to Xenophon and Plato, Socrates did not think that slavery was always unjust. For example, at Memorabilia 4.2.15, Socrates and Euthydemus have the following exchange: "Now suppose a man who has been elected general enslaves an unjust and hostile city, shall we say that he acts unjustly?" "Oh no!" "We shall say that his actions are just, shall we not?" “Certainly.”
@NarednikLobanja
@NarednikLobanja 8 жыл бұрын
Let's make statues of Napoleon in the whole of Europe
@LordVader1094
@LordVader1094 8 жыл бұрын
I think the only people who'd like him in any way are the French, since he was trying to conquer all the rest.
@NarednikLobanja
@NarednikLobanja 8 жыл бұрын
LordVader1094 not really. some of the constitutions of Europe are based on the Code Napoleon and most of constitutions of Europe since Napoleon was based on the Code Napoleon. Most people in Europe don't hate Napoleon except the British
@NightDoge
@NightDoge 8 жыл бұрын
+Narednik Lobanja -- He's even mentioned in ðe Polish National Anþem.
@NarednikLobanja
@NarednikLobanja 8 жыл бұрын
Rainbow Bubbles he liberated poland for the first time since the great divide, it is normal he is mentioned
@gustav331
@gustav331 8 жыл бұрын
+LordVader1094 I'm a Dane and I absolutely love Napoleon.
@thiagodunadan
@thiagodunadan 8 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it's "wrong" nowadays to honor war heroes. Here in Brazil, people now love to bash on the Duke of Caxias for winning the war against Paraguai. Brazil didn't even start the war, how come it was a wrong thing winning it?
@SarkeZamar
@SarkeZamar 8 жыл бұрын
+Thiago Monteiro They're probably complaining about the number of Paraguayans who died in the war.
@TheHenryFilms
@TheHenryFilms 8 жыл бұрын
+Haliaetus well I guess we need to start shaming WW2 veterans, then. Do you realize how many Germans and Japanese were killed? [end sarcasm]
@UhisaWaya
@UhisaWaya 8 жыл бұрын
+Thiago Monteiro Because, "violence isn't the answer." Silly.
@lessevdoolbretsim
@lessevdoolbretsim 8 жыл бұрын
Political correctness is a disease that is still spreading fast.
@SarkeZamar
@SarkeZamar 8 жыл бұрын
Henry Rasia Yeah, it is a pretty silly sentiment.
@vigosfilm4809
@vigosfilm4809 4 жыл бұрын
“Its stupid to judge people from the past by the standards of today” -this guy
@eduardopuccini
@eduardopuccini 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually reasonable and I would've never thought about that. If anyone from today's age was born in the past, when so many horrible things were considered normal, I'm pretty sure they would've also lived by those standards. I believe that it is very unrealistic and selfish to think otherwise.
@carlosandleon
@carlosandleon 4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardopuccini definitely
@-NGC-6302-
@-NGC-6302- 4 жыл бұрын
“Making a statue of yourself is un-British.” Me, an American: “Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today.”
@VictorianLifeForm
@VictorianLifeForm 8 жыл бұрын
He stuffed the French
@BlueCrewSlackers
@BlueCrewSlackers 8 жыл бұрын
Haha
@leethax100
@leethax100 8 жыл бұрын
+Nicholas Pantazopoulos Ron Jeremy stuffed quite a few french in his day, where's his statue?
@sarp07able
@sarp07able 8 жыл бұрын
+Nicholas Pantazopoulos I am not French and I am offended. :)
@sarp07able
@sarp07able 8 жыл бұрын
I am just kidding mate
@Win94ae
@Win94ae 8 жыл бұрын
+sarp kalay Maybe Stihius is also kidding, by the acquaintance of being "stuffed" and being "butthurt?"
@Feminismisfornobody
@Feminismisfornobody 8 жыл бұрын
Damn right. I move that we make a statue of LindyBeige for saying ''stuffed the french'' in the most satisfying way possible.
@fernandodossantos6619
@fernandodossantos6619 4 жыл бұрын
I love how this was said 4 years ago yet it's so applicable to today.
@BootsofBlindingSpeed
@BootsofBlindingSpeed 4 жыл бұрын
No mortal's perfect. That's kinda the idea. Doesn't detract from their positive achievements.
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that this idea is at times used to avoid the fact that some people are celebrated specifically because of actions which others from that point in the past and this present would consider scandalous.
@BootsofBlindingSpeed
@BootsofBlindingSpeed 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikthomsen4768 that's true. & so is the other extreme used at times. Association. Did someone do something objectively good? Well because they also did something objectively bad let us now associate the good thing/s they did with negativity because 'I' deem them to be worse person than they are good. Nuance. Moderation in everything, even including moderation. Balance c:
@vinnyethanol
@vinnyethanol 8 жыл бұрын
Funny thing, for Polish people (like me) Napoleon was a hero because of his restoration (brief, but still) of the Polish Kingdom. We have him in our national anthem. For Brits he's pretty much a supervillan.
@Elador1000
@Elador1000 6 жыл бұрын
It's kinda ironic that he's blaming Napoleon for "declaring war" left and right, considering that, if I remember correctly, it was Great Britain that declared the war to France every time. Napoleon is quite respected in the Czech Republic as well. Not exactly as hero or villan, but as one of the history greats. Something like Alexand the Great.
@LouisKing995
@LouisKing995 6 жыл бұрын
Elador1000 Look, I highly respect Napoleon as an administrator and a tactician . But he WAS declaring war left and right 😂 and he was pretty good at it to begin with. It's what he spent the vast majority of his time doing, until he stupidly and needlessly went to war with Russia. He wanted to dominate continental Europe, to upset the Great Game. Yeah, Britain wouldn't like that I imagine 🤷‍♂️
@Elador1000
@Elador1000 6 жыл бұрын
All right, here we go. From the time Napoleone was in power: 1803 - Britain declared war on France, joined by Russia and HRE war of the 4th coalition - 1806, Prussia declared war on France, joining the forces with powers of a 3. coalition. I can't find who declared a war of the 5th coalition, but it started by Austria's troops crossing to Munich. 1813 - Sweden with the UK declared war against France and started the war of 6th coalition. So did Prussia and Austria. 1815 - Hundred days war started by the powers of Viena Congress declaring war to France, calling Napoleon outlaw From what I know, only major wars (I am not gonna count small German and Italien states, I am not sure about them), declared by Napoleon was against Russia (after it broke it's treaty about the continental system) and on Portugal. Not to mention the starting situation, in which basically whole Europe declared war on France. Most of the European powers (if not all) declared war on Napoleon or France more often than did he on them. Also, the Great Game? Was he trying to influence the conflict between Russia and UK 30 years before it even started? A balance of power I guess?
@Elador1000
@Elador1000 6 жыл бұрын
Here's the map of it if u want qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9732d0ed8aa18796f023cd8e7e70e183.webp
@Numaticin
@Numaticin 5 жыл бұрын
You could also make the argument that it was France and Britain that started the Second World War by declaring war on Germany in 1939. That argument would be ridiculous because the reason they declared war on Germany was because the militaristic and provocative expansions of a revolutionary autocracy was a clear and present threat to their own or their allies sovereignty and well being. The British had no ambitions on the Continent and no desire to conquer France, they declared war on France because the French kept annexing neighbouring countries and threatening their allies and their ability to trade. It's not fair to say the British were the aggressors when the French were the ones taking all the territories and enacting a Europe wide hegemony, and the British were just protecting their interests, by trying to stop them from doing that.
@Feminismisfornobody
@Feminismisfornobody 8 жыл бұрын
5:05 ''you rescued a burning building'' -Lindy 2016
@R3dical444
@R3dical444 4 жыл бұрын
"It's stupid to judge the people of the past, by the standards of today."
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
Except a lot of those standards were present then too. People just ignored them. Morality has existed for some time and people who did horrible shit 100% lived in a context where it was wrong. For example, the Founding Fathers overwhelmingly knew slavery was wrong. They just didn't give a fuck. Same with Confederates. Why should we have Confederate statues? Traitors in every sense of the word as well as agents of evil.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 Those are the standards of today. Fairly wrong if you read the sources, but they're current nonetheless.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
@@CvnDqnrU The standards of today are the standards of yesterday. Yesterday we just ignored them. People were fully aware of morality and knew right from wrong then, too.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 Not if they're your ideological standards.
@TheFlamingChips
@TheFlamingChips 4 жыл бұрын
So why give a statue to them?
@numnuts1666
@numnuts1666 4 жыл бұрын
This video needs to be spread more now than ever....
@reykholtebronstein2774
@reykholtebronstein2774 4 жыл бұрын
why because racist statues? why do you think rhodes had all that money? exploitation. If the reason the shoplifter could put out the fire is because he had buckets of childrens' blood then we probably wouldn't celebrate that. Rhodes wasn't a hero.
@reykholtebronstein2774
@reykholtebronstein2774 4 жыл бұрын
@Aussie Bob not even a communist just ok with black people but whatever all the same to your racist thickhead
@benjaminmortiboys3789
@benjaminmortiboys3789 4 жыл бұрын
One of the few Lindybeige videos that I have pretty solidly, and wholeheartedly disagreed with. Especially after the events that have been happening here in Bristol, and the country starting to really consider if it is such a good idea to have statues of frankly repulsive people, who by today’s standard are no role model at all.
@legoyoda3546
@legoyoda3546 4 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminmortiboys3789 They didn't get the statues for being slave traders or anything unacceptable by modern western society but rather for the good things that they did for the country or for the place that their statue was built in.
@tomm5663
@tomm5663 4 жыл бұрын
Lego Yoda and that’s all well and good. But if someone donates to charity with the money they got from selling people into slavery, I’d say that we’d have to reconsider their glorious position.
@FrankyBabes
@FrankyBabes 8 жыл бұрын
I remember I once said something a bit racist-sounding on Twitter and now I can't find it or delete it. It was meant in jest but I fear it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was - am I now precluded from being a statue? Even if I stand very still?
@Infinite_Jester
@Infinite_Jester 8 жыл бұрын
+FrankyBabes Unless popular culture suddenly swings in your favour, yeah, no statues for you.
@FrankyBabes
@FrankyBabes 8 жыл бұрын
+Lord of midgets Sounds like you've got your own axe to grind there buddy but cool cool
@nosferatu5
@nosferatu5 8 жыл бұрын
+FrankyBabes If youre not planning to go into politics then dont worry. If you desire a position of power, then that tweet will be found, taken out of context and presented in a newspaper with the worst picture of you they can find.
@Teddypally
@Teddypally 8 жыл бұрын
+FrankyBabes www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/08/18/liberal-party-mum-on-calgary-candidates-twitter-outbursts.html I think such tweets shouldn't be deleted. It helps separate the chaff from the wheat.
@MrJarth
@MrJarth 8 жыл бұрын
+FrankyBabes You're too white to have a statue in future Britain.
@PipBoy3100
@PipBoy3100 8 жыл бұрын
A good example of someone who is glorified today despite their personal wrongdoings is Steve Jobs. He was a terrible father and generally mean guy, but he is the face of the smartphone so he's revered like a saint.
@theoriginaldylangreene
@theoriginaldylangreene 8 жыл бұрын
+PipBoy 3100 If they erect a statue of Jobs, I will burn it to the ground.
@CapnHolic
@CapnHolic 8 жыл бұрын
+PipBoy 3100 And a thief to boot. Tablets and Mp3 players and smartphones were around for a long time. Apple just waited till the tech improved so it could be smaller, tweaked the UI, and passed them off as their own inventions.
@jameshansmeyer4936
@jameshansmeyer4936 7 жыл бұрын
CapnHolic and? The fact that he got so many people hooked on his products is impressive all by itself.
@jacobphillips9862
@jacobphillips9862 4 жыл бұрын
This aged well
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 3 жыл бұрын
And yet most people in this comment section ignores the moral part.
@pookachu64
@pookachu64 4 жыл бұрын
This video is suddenly very very relevant
@thenerdyouknowabout
@thenerdyouknowabout 7 жыл бұрын
Stuff the french. :D
@garyherberson8119
@garyherberson8119 5 жыл бұрын
got a tumbs up from me immediately after hearing that
@bowmanc.7439
@bowmanc.7439 4 жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between stuffing the french and stuffing the allies?
@theygone6962
@theygone6962 8 жыл бұрын
I asked this in a collage class, why must we tear down people of history......I got no answer.
@SpitshineSneakers
@SpitshineSneakers 8 жыл бұрын
To make ourselves look good in the present. That's the underlying motivation; attacking the past is nothing more than virtue signaling for increased social standing.
@theygone6962
@theygone6962 8 жыл бұрын
***** when I went to collage problematic was not a word
@SpitshineSneakers
@SpitshineSneakers 8 жыл бұрын
Consider yourself lucky.
@jarktheshark3740
@jarktheshark3740 8 жыл бұрын
Now now, lets not get ideologically problematic . . one day if we tear down everything our enemies have built society will be perfect, or so says the modern sjw fringe . . .and ISIS too come to think of it
@CountArtha
@CountArtha 8 жыл бұрын
+theygone Because tearing makes for sloppy collages. Use scissors.
@caesar9180
@caesar9180 4 жыл бұрын
As a french, I'd be offended if 1) I was the sort to be offended and 2) I didn't utterly agreed with what you're saying.
@cheddarcheeseisgood8030
@cheddarcheeseisgood8030 4 жыл бұрын
At least Nelson is to high to be pulled down by a mob
@possiblepilotdeviation5791
@possiblepilotdeviation5791 4 жыл бұрын
Don't tell the modern Commies tearing these statues down about Nelson's Pillar in Dublin.
@JonSpink
@JonSpink 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottlancaster2865 without statues people are less likely to learn too
@bulman07
@bulman07 8 жыл бұрын
Answer to any argument: "he stuffed the French!" xD
@TheGameLecturer
@TheGameLecturer 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting though. Although being french I feel like this statue would look better without a head ;)
@SolyomSzava
@SolyomSzava 8 жыл бұрын
+TheGameLecturer Too lazy to google it... but are there any Napoleon statues in France?
@ragoxdr6384
@ragoxdr6384 8 жыл бұрын
+Sólyom Csaba yes
@TheGameLecturer
@TheGameLecturer 8 жыл бұрын
+Sólyom Csaba a lot actually
@Shoegazebasedgenre0.
@Shoegazebasedgenre0. 4 жыл бұрын
When you couldn't build and reach any achievements that is worth for a monument. You demolished a historical monument instead.
@Anthony-qu7qd
@Anthony-qu7qd 4 жыл бұрын
I cant wait for the statues to fight back
@Plur307
@Plur307 8 жыл бұрын
What was Lord Nelson's position on transgender islamic furries? I can't endorse anybody as a hero unless they are pro transgender islamic furry.
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 4 жыл бұрын
He wouldn't have to have one for long, the fundamentalists would probably track them down and do unpleasant things to them.
@elpmiself
@elpmiself 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know about his stance on transgender but his last words were "Kiss me Hardy
@felixo5574
@felixo5574 7 жыл бұрын
2:29 you're welcome
@ivpt
@ivpt 4 жыл бұрын
i'm happy that i'm subscribed to Lindybeige and am getting this recommended now
@KassidyJMoore
@KassidyJMoore 4 жыл бұрын
KZbin's algorithm is tryna tell us something.
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine 8 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of 2005, the 200th aniversary of the battle of Austerlitz (as well as Trafalgar). Despite everything Napoleon had done for France (even if we remove all the wars, most of them being self-defence...), at the time the medias portrayed him as an horrible person since he re-established slavery (that was part of a peace agreement if I'm right, the other european countries didn't want such ideas to spread... bad for their business if their slaves realise that if they were at the colony next door they'd be free men). So, the french government sent NO ONE to the yearly reenactment of the battle of Austerlitz. While they sent some ships to the commemoration of Trafalgar. Disgusting traitors, the same that are offended because La Marseillaise (the French anthem) has some "bloody" lyrics...
@kelamullah1999
@kelamullah1999 4 жыл бұрын
Duke of Lorraine Napoleon was portrayed as Hitler before Hitler came along. I’d say that his global reputation couldn’t be better.
@argh2945
@argh2945 4 жыл бұрын
@@kelamullah1999 That may have been the portrayal but Napoleon was no 'Hitler before Hitler'. I think it's an unfair portrayal. Whereas Hitler pursued a policy of genocidal nationalism and of 'cleansing' what he considered unsavoury elements in Europe, Napoleon saw himself in the old mould; as a 'Man of History' akin to Caesar or Alexander (who were flawed men, but are largely remembered in a positive light). He was highly cultured and respectful of European culture, developing a close friendship with Goethe, for example, whereas Hitler's cultural obsession didn't move much beyond Germanic works. If Napoleon had consolidated his power in 1812 when his empire was at its largest extent then it's safe to say Europe would be a much better place today. Instead he invaded Russia.
@Lapantouflemagic0
@Lapantouflemagic0 4 жыл бұрын
i don't know much about how napoleon was or wasn't portrayed as, but what i know for sure is that judging him 200 years later because he did this or that is unfair and not very smart. you have no idea why he took a particular decision. you don't have the context. in an other video lindy rants about napoleon supposedly butchering soldiers that had surrendered, maybe he had a good reason ? yeah sometimes there is such a thing ! , moments later he explains how a local muslim warlord went and butchered civilians because they were coptic christians. i don't know, maybe the guys napoleon got executed were also the same type of people ? the fact is : we don't know shit about the details of history, even awful events can have a rationale explanation. it may be awful too, but it also can be necessary.
@tiaandeswardt7741
@tiaandeswardt7741 8 жыл бұрын
Lindey, they took down the statue of Cecil John Rhodes at the University of Cape Town, a university in South Africa, that he founded. My opinion is that one can't whitewash history, and ignoring it or trying to remove the parts you don't like is close-minded and ignorant. You don't need to bring honour to those you disagree with, but you can at least respect their achievements that landed them their own statue.
@theoriginaldylangreene
@theoriginaldylangreene 8 жыл бұрын
+Tiaan De Swardt If you're a South African and still in the country, I'm sorry for you man. What happens when you give the oppressed the power to oppress is an interesting experiment, but seeing it unfold in SA is saddening.
@tiaandeswardt7741
@tiaandeswardt7741 8 жыл бұрын
Dylan Greene Yeah it is. Zuma is getting more dictatorial by the day. He shuffels ministers around based on their loyalty, no matter the effect that it has on the rest of the country. I'm hoping that things will get better and I sincerely think that they will if the DA is in power.
@iroscoe
@iroscoe 4 жыл бұрын
He's right even if it's against the current zeitgeist , if there is a problematic monument or artifact put it in its context like the anti-semitic carvings on some medieval churches don't remove them add something that explains the thinking behind them and why we think differently now like the Germans have done .
@smithmiddleton8893
@smithmiddleton8893 4 жыл бұрын
Except that isn't what the Germans did. The Germans under massive Allied and Soviet oversight destroyed almost everything that glorified naziism. They also had a massive policy of denazification through education which specifically explained how nationalism and antisemitism (and other forms of prejudice) in Germany lead to war and genocide.
@henrywebster5130
@henrywebster5130 4 жыл бұрын
I still think they should be taken down, depending on the severity of what they did. If we want to put them into context they should be in a museum rather than paraded Infront of the people they ruined. Ain't right.
@iroscoe
@iroscoe 4 жыл бұрын
@@smithmiddleton8893 That is what the Germans did to the medieval sculpture of grotesque caricatures of Jews that were part of the structure of some chUrches .
@iroscoe
@iroscoe 4 жыл бұрын
@@henrywebster5130 statues are not paraded though are they most of time the anonymous sculptures dotted round our towns and cities are unnoticed and unremarked upon .
@henrywebster5130
@henrywebster5130 4 жыл бұрын
@@iroscoe Harley anonymous with big plaques under them though are they, and whether people notice them shouldn't matter. I could slyly be sticking my finger up at someone but whether they noticed or not I still called them a cunt
@tobiojr
@tobiojr 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting watching this after watching all the statues get torn down
@thesmity31
@thesmity31 4 жыл бұрын
All the statues got torn down? when did that happen?-
@noodles5438
@noodles5438 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Smith In the US, President’s and soldiers who owned slaves or fought to free the slaves and supported racial equality are being destroyed cause of “racism”
@screggyn7776
@screggyn7776 4 жыл бұрын
This is relevant more now than ever
@Slarti
@Slarti 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that this video has popped up in the 10th of June 2020 just as the UK is starting to tear down its statues and revert to year zero.
@thrillofbattle3801
@thrillofbattle3801 4 жыл бұрын
There is no reverse. They're simply destroying stuff. Mind viruses are a powerful thing.
@thrillofbattle3801
@thrillofbattle3801 4 жыл бұрын
@Jude M Those who are under the influence of the mind virus are people, just like ourselves. I think it's possible to help them heal / regain some sense, instead of fighting against them. It's a shame that it's come to such a huge divide / hatred... But to be fair, it might be hellishly hard to change things for the better, cause even if you try to do good as much as possible, there are still forces / people who are instigating more and more hatred and sickness on the other side... Lady Luck help us all.
@stephenmurray2851
@stephenmurray2851 4 жыл бұрын
@Jude M Yep. But who will we target. Our enemy is difficult to define
@abzalamangos2049
@abzalamangos2049 4 жыл бұрын
What statues were torn down?
@stephenmurray2851
@stephenmurray2851 4 жыл бұрын
@@abzalamangos2049 You are kidding, right?
@dotmadhack
@dotmadhack 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting time for this to be recommended.
@philipmadden7013
@philipmadden7013 4 жыл бұрын
I say, leave the statues be. Indeed, let there be MORE statues, not less.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
The French are still there, unstuffed.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of statues aren't old though. They are new and expressly venerate war criminals, traitors, and people who did terrible things. IN the US, we have statues created in the 70s to venerate Confederate traitors. Nothing worth venerating there. Statues are not history. History should be preserved, but we should not make statues to honor horrible people.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 We're all good and bad people. You can't just go destroying a culture you don't like because your marxist professor told you a historic figure was homophobic. Also no one goes to the statues to venerate them, they're just reminders of history and beautiful decorations unless they're progressive abstract art.
@s0515033
@s0515033 4 жыл бұрын
@@CvnDqnrU "We're all good and bad people, therefore statues to Hitler are okay. I mean, the guy loved dogs and was a vegetarian, so it's okay!" :) That line of argument is brain-dead.
@CvnDqnrU
@CvnDqnrU 4 жыл бұрын
@@s0515033 The moment you mentioned Hitler you lost. That line of argument is brain-dead. Also only you think that way, you want to destroy a city because you believe people were evil. You're doing more evil than good, but think you're good.
@MilitantOldLady
@MilitantOldLady 8 жыл бұрын
I like what Jeremy Clarkson said about making a statue of Piers Morgan. By all means, make him a statue, put it up in a square and let pigeons shit on it and drunks piss on it all year round until the end of time :D
@24680kong
@24680kong 8 жыл бұрын
+Teutone Piers Morgan? No need to make a statue. Just leave him in a park and let drunks and pigeons shit on him directly.
@Jo-Heike
@Jo-Heike 8 жыл бұрын
I am from Norway, and I have to say, you're welcome.
@jmoreland4
@jmoreland4 4 жыл бұрын
KZbin algorithm has a weird sense of humour
@gamelandmaster3680
@gamelandmaster3680 2 жыл бұрын
And some 6 years later I am here saying, “Yes, we should, if only we didn’t have people destroying said statues.”
@leonemaledetto1500
@leonemaledetto1500 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Heroes are good. Let's make statues of them.
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 3 жыл бұрын
But why do people ignore the hero part?
@daanimmuun2414
@daanimmuun2414 4 жыл бұрын
In the Netherlands, statues of our heroes like Michiel the Ruyter and Jan Pieterszoon coen are being vandalised with paint. The Dutch have a glorious past, but you get shamed for even mentioning them because of their connection with the slave trade. In 1672 we fought off the English, French and Germans in the most devestating war The Netherlands has ever known. Are they heroes? No, during that period the Dutch had a lot of slaves. So no everything else they did doesn't matter. In that mindset the Italians have to tear down statues of Julius Ceasar and Octavian August for building an empire on slaves. It makes me really sad to think that heroes who literally saved our country from being an English province can't be appreciated anymore. Quite sickening.
@loveminus0
@loveminus0 4 жыл бұрын
I remember this vid being quite relevant a couple years ago, but now seems almost prophetic.
@ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas4123
@ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas4123 4 жыл бұрын
One builds civilisation The other destroys them Go figure which one I’m referring to
@TallOldOak
@TallOldOak 8 жыл бұрын
I get so angry when people complain about Columbus Day for this exact reason. Sure he did some terrible things but he also 'discovered' America. I use quotes on discover because sure there were people already there, and some Vikings go there first but it wasn't until Columbus that the Europe knew anything about it
@NonApplicable1983
@NonApplicable1983 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the Vikings were European.
@TallOldOak
@TallOldOak 8 жыл бұрын
Rodrigo Ugarte wasn't until Columbus that the greater part of Europe* yeah they found it, but they didn't tell anyone
@NonApplicable1983
@NonApplicable1983 8 жыл бұрын
DrMrProfJacob What about the Book of the Icelanders?
@cgm778
@cgm778 8 жыл бұрын
+DrMrProfJacob Columbus didn't get very much right. He didn't set out to discover anything but a shorter route to the east and he failed to do that. He thought he had landed in the east but again he was wrong. He was wrong about that because he was also wrong about the size of the earth and know little or nothing about of the land he was trying to get to. And of course his treatment of the natives he encountered was completely wrong. He did seem to successfully command a ship but lots of people have done that including Edward Teach and Captain Stubbing.
@TallOldOak
@TallOldOak 8 жыл бұрын
+cgm778 wow, the Columbus hate is real. None of these things change the fact that no one was coming over to America up until Columbus. And then there were colonies, and then there were states. I don't knew about you, but I really enjoy living here.
@beansontoast6622
@beansontoast6622 4 жыл бұрын
More relevant today than when the video first came out.
@sdporres
@sdporres 5 жыл бұрын
I should say that, more often that not, your videos prove to be far more interesting than I initially think they will be
@oMaGicKsv
@oMaGicKsv 4 жыл бұрын
Aged beautifully
@proonguice8386
@proonguice8386 4 жыл бұрын
I have one untainted hero remaining that hasn’t been crucified in the court of public opinion or been hiding some horrible secret. Mr. Rogers; don’t let me down God Damn it.
@tristanwest5783
@tristanwest5783 4 жыл бұрын
People in 2020 really need to listen to what is said in this video.
@UKTheOmegaPyro
@UKTheOmegaPyro 4 жыл бұрын
His points are fair, sure. But no one is saying take down Nelson for having an affair. No one said scandals matter. The only statues being called to be taken down is the rich slavers and colonialists responsible for the deaths of thousands.
@barry3648
@barry3648 4 жыл бұрын
@@UKTheOmegaPyro Oh, Nelson wasn't an imperialist? Furthermore he didn't kill anyone?
@UKTheOmegaPyro
@UKTheOmegaPyro 4 жыл бұрын
@@barry3648 that isn't what I said. I'm fine with a Nelson statue.
@barry3648
@barry3648 4 жыл бұрын
​@@UKTheOmegaPyro I agree your point is valid regarding the difference in degree of moral failing between an affair and facilitating slavery, yet he meets the criteria you set for his statue to be removed. I was attempting to point out the hypocrisy in this.
@UKTheOmegaPyro
@UKTheOmegaPyro 4 жыл бұрын
@@barry3648 The criteria i set for the statue removal is that their bad outweighs their good. For instance the statue of Colston in Bristol. Yes he built some charitable stuff, and hospitals, but he was also responsible for the deaths of thousands. Nelson stopped the french navy but he also had an affair. Not comparable, Nelson is fine to have.
@bobbythebobtail
@bobbythebobtail 4 жыл бұрын
And this video from 4 years ago ladies and gentlemen is one of the many reasons why Lindybeige has over a million subscribers!
@shadowdawns889
@shadowdawns889 3 жыл бұрын
History is not there to be liked or disliked, it is there to be learned from
@blckdrgn813
@blckdrgn813 8 жыл бұрын
Trafalgar was always such a fascinating piece for me. I remember the first time reading and taking a look at the charts of the battle taking place and absolutely cracking up at the HMS Africa and their path into the battle. I can't help but to playfully imaging the captain saying: "Excuse me! So sorry! 'scue me! Coming through. Pardon me. So sorry. Ah! Nelson, I made it!"
@aatamisyren4747
@aatamisyren4747 8 жыл бұрын
can you make a video about medieval hairstyles and how they tied their hair
@joshuatendoornkaat8558
@joshuatendoornkaat8558 4 жыл бұрын
This message is more important now than ever
@crazyassailant
@crazyassailant 4 жыл бұрын
Boy, YT algorithm has been on point with topical recommendations of year old videos.
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