Faction Focus: Seraphon

Part of my Choosing An Army series for new players.
/ heywoah - stop by and chat AoS!
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[@HeyWoah]

Video FAQ: Skink Oracle on Trogololodon is in fact 220 - 40pts cheaper than a Slann. However, I still don't think he has much of a point or job or role, unless costed so cheap that pure stats for bottom dollar prices would make it worth by default. I could see it finding a good use as a pure Vassal - but not with all that baggage upping its cost (like mount/casting/etc).

[@ShenanigansFox]

uh...wheres razordon hunting pack?

[@HeyWoah]

@@ShenanigansFox on battletomes with a million units (like this one and skaven) I often skip over non-noteworthy stuff, razordon being generally a neat gimmick without the dps to back it up. Does on average 0-2 damage at range for 80pts and 0-1 when used against a charge so pretty minor for what it is.

[@ShenanigansFox]

@@HeyWoah ah fair enough. Wasnt sure if they had any use at all instead of sallys if you want since theyre in that battalion with the laser lizards

[@lordbaconbane6145]

Troglodon needs a CA imo

[@recurvestickerdragon]

@S R This is actually why I'm keeping mine swappable between carnosaur or troglodon. Since I've only just got the start-collecting box, that oracle's the only caster I have. Once I can build up my ranks, he'll likely get swapped to carnosaur permanently. But in the meantime, I want access to at least SOME casting. :3

[@scottb235]

Lord Kroak's brain is larger than his entire body... including his brain. Which may not make sense, but it does to Lord Kroak... because he has a very large brain. -zefrank40k

[@Derekthetau]

That was so on-point I had to search if zefrank made a warhammer channel... Immeasurable disappointment followed lmao

[@Erebus_the_trustworthy]

Anytime I see a model that desperately needs an update, I just see Cawl smashing that primaris button.

[@kubikkuratko188]

Its the damn slaans making stuff exactly from memory

[@lemonnomel9416]

@@kubikkuratko188 so when we get new models, does that mean they gave themselves false memory syndrome?

[@kubikkuratko188]

@@lemonnomel9416 yes

[@benjaminpowers609]

GW has no idea how much money they're missing out on by not updating the kroxigors and saurus knights

[@FrogAssemblyLine]

They finally figured it out

[@tonyfranksland428]

Yea they even figured to grant us a new Warspawn Kroxigor lol

[@jackgebhardt2932]

​@@tonyfranksland428 God, they look so fucking good.

[@The_Last_OldOne]

Yes

[@Janx14]

With how crazy their lore is, i feel like the AoS model designers could go really nuts with updates.

[@tanisitalia1970]

Dinosaurs with laser beams and fat man-walmart scooter guys shooting magical space nukes isn't nuts enough?

[@ger5956]

I don’t even play AoS, but I bought the seraphon start collecting purely because it’s dinosaurs riding dinosaurs and that’s cool as fuck hahaha 😂

[@ainzsama1565]

We all started that way. Welcome my friend. Welcome to the enacting of the great plan.

[@HivefleetMagoladon]

@@ainzsama1565 I bought 2, just because it was the same price as buying a Carnosaur seperately. I'm now waiting on GW to release new Saurus Warriors so I can expand my army without buying 20 year old models...

[@LaneBee]

The presence of dinosaur riding dinosaur miniatures is the top 3 reasons to collect this army. The 4th top reason is, "no like, I am serious, they have dino riding dinos bro."

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

I play total war warhammer only to play the lizardmen. Worth it! I have been eyeing their boxes aswell.

[@Nocturnecreedminis]

Literally just bought mine today. For this sole reason. Want to paint a Jurassic Park Carnosaur 😂 it’s name shall be Rexy haha

[@valaquenta220]

Give seraphons and skavens new models GW, and I promise you tons of people will play them, TONS. Because they're both super cool factions. EDIT 2 years later : oooooh boy !!!!

[@oliverpeter264]

I would agree, but please keep the design on the saurus. I love my saurus spam. They could just be a bit more dynamic.

[@gabeperras3711]

Is too much to ask for acolyte models that don't require putting a mortgage on my house?

[@gudboah4688]

This! Seraphon are amazing but holy shit their saurus models haven’t changed since 6th edition of WFB. Skinks are fine, but holy hell we need a new slann model that isn’t lord Kroak.

[@viraltang]

They desperately need it too. I have a friend who fell in love with them thanks to Total War and was about to buy a bunch of models but then she saw how much they were and how much they needed a refresh in the sculpts and only got one or too. She was super bummed about the Croksagores.

[@Salted_Fysh]

GW bases their decisions on sales statistics. They have at least a whole department focused on figuring out what releases will sell well and how big profit vs effort they will receive. And that's why even in AoS you'll soon find only space marines.

[@gudboah4688]

I’m so glad that the Seraphon lore was retconned so that they are now flesh and blood creatures again. They are all born from the same spawning pools we know from fantasy, but they are infused with azyrite magic until they leave azyr. I honestly think age of Sigmar has the potential to be an incredible franchise if games workshop continues to listen to feedback and improve on the game.

[@mkgaming5823]

AOS has great potential, but was it worth creating one of the worst stories in games workshop history just to create? That being End-times. They could of given fantasy at least a good send off and create some good will but in the end it only created bad will ,then they just got rid of fantasy, that is why AOS gets a lot of unnecessary hate. With Fantasy coming back tho I do think AOS might slow down a bit. So Old world can have some steam upon release. Tbh I prefer Fantasy over AOS, I miss using my Vampire count army lead by my one woman army Lahmian Lady . And with new armies being added to old world like Kizlev AOS will probs be on the back burner for a bit. Especially if Old world does well.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@mkgaming5823 I hope both can be given enough attention because gods damnit they'll just anger AOS fans if they abandon that for the Old World.

[@mkgaming5823]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Im sure theres plenty of Fantasy fans hoping AOS will get the same treatment as fantasy did, That being the end times treatment out of pure spite. I hope they dont tho. GW wont make the same mistake twice hopefully

[@themostmagicskeleton273]

I thought the Seraphon being made of light was cool! It’s a shame in my eyes

[@hiddenleaf414]

I thought the ones bortn in Azyr are literally magically formed by the Slaan while the Coalesced are born in spawning pools once they have left the Azyr and lived on a planet long enough.

[@joaogomes9405]

In a single sentence, because they were the only faction to make it to AOS unchanged, since they were such badasses at fighting chaos they didn't need to change.

[@changelingman9687]

Was sad that these guys were largely ignored in fantasy. Hope they get more lore and spotlight in AOS. I look forward to see where these guys are going.

[@Noveltyuk]

I used them in Fantasy. We played a seige campaign once and my Salamanders did a pre game shot vs a deathstar unit of Ogres, killed one caused a panic check and they ran from the board. This was the first and only time I've one a game with 1 attack and before the 1st turn of a game.

[@Deathgazeroo]

I waited for this SO MUCH. Not because I am interested in Seraphon - I just LOVE to listen to your amazing materials. Keep up with good work mate, I REALLY appreciate it! Cheers!

[@cheezewizz2000]

YES! I was hoping you'd do this one next!

[@9forMortalMen]

Me too.

[@bobit2000]

Your channel deserves a lot more attention. Its one of the few that I actually get a little excited for when I get a notification. Keep it up, sir!

[@Zakon673]

As someone who is drawn to Seraphon more for the skinks, sauruses and kroxigor than the dinosaurs, glad to hear the playstyle is viable. I just think lizard people are cool looking. Though the dinosaurs are hardly a dealbreaker.

[@lorddrechelardschaft5609]

I want to start a Seraphon army so bad but their Saurus models look so old i wish they would look like in TW:W 2

[@heroluka7088]

True, maybe we will get updated seraphon models at one point.

[@cyriltournier5784]

The saurus are not too bad. The kroxigors and salamanders are awful however.

[@mikkelangelokers9965]

@@cyriltournier5784 They are all awful

[@ainzsama1565]

@@cyriltournier5784 you just got used to our models. Saurus Warriors are horrific. Their heads are just way too big. But the worst model along with the salamanders are our knights. Look at the foreclaws at 8:30

[@CalebHastings]

Saurus Guard and Carnosaurs are good... but the rest of Saurus look SOOO derpy. But i love the faction anyway! lol

[@globalelite3042]

There supposed to be a seraphon warband coming soon so we should be getting a few new models. Although building an army out of that will probably be ungodly expensive

[@CalebHastings]

I'm hoping it has a plastic Kroxigor and a plastic Skink Priest in addition to the Chamo Skink we have already seen.

[@colinbrown5646]

9:01 Is both my favorite and most depressing part of the video

[@leviroch]

I can't believe how difficult it is to find a unit channel. . . And not only have you smashed that out the park but the humour is just perfect for it, well done my man

[@killthesleeper]

I hope you'll do a new video on this when the new Battletome comes out this summer.

[@mirchiamemeina1524]

"They're dinosaurs riding dinosaurs with lasers and star magic." never before has there been a single sentence to promote such a mad cash drop.

[@worldsbuffestloremaster]

Dude, idk how many people are getting all these references, but this comedy is spot on

[@HeyWoah]

I don't know either, but usually somebody gets them

[@uba754]

Why play them: Dinosaurs.

[@MysticZefer]

riding Dinosaurs

[@RazorFox]

Another awesome army in need of new sculpts. Good stuff my dude, thanks for helping get me into AOS.

[@Robocop2134]

Glad to see we feel the same way about the Saurus Knights and Kroxigors models

[@RandoFromMars]

Love these vids, just watched all the ones you put out. I have a very small background in 8th, and have been eyeing AoS, and your vids are the things that give me the best idea of what to expect from the factions. So thanks!

[@MegaTCash]

As a Seraphon player - I was soooo waiting for this! Awesome doesn't begin to cover how much I loved this - thank you HeyWoah!!!!

[@CalebHastings]

Such a fun and deep faction with the new Battletome!

[@chaoticmat1739]

I read "Faction Focus: Sophon" and I was wondering why HeyWoah was suddenly making Endless Space videos

[@HeyWoah]

no proton computers here - yet

[@christopherharkness5418]

Loving this series. Every video leaves me wanting to do something new.

[@samhay4143]

Great; I thought I'd worked out what I was going to start in AoS, but now you've got me looking at Seraphon too. ;D The particular method by which Seraphon armies are selected, constructed and played is highly reminiscent of Warmachine (which mechanics-wise remains my fave wargame, even if it's deader than A-line flares with pockets in the knees). And the lore for Seraphon is soooooo good; probably my favourite in all of AoS. ...I just can't get over how meh so many of their models are. One of the big draws for AoS is that the modern-designed model ranges are startlingly beautiful. Playing Seraphon would feel like I was still playing WFB - and I kinda feel that if I'm to take this dive into AoS, I might as well pick one of the armies that has a glorious modern-design army model-range. What with the latest Seraphon book being a reasonably recent release, I'm thinkin' the star lizards are going to keep looking the way they're currently looking for some time to come. :(

[@nanolathesteel]

Love these faction breakdowns. Keep 'em coming please!

[@zephyrstrife4668]

The fact that the models are so outdated and, for me at least, never seem to be in stock at any store I go to has given me interest in using the One Page Rules proxies for Seraphon in addition to the start collecting box I bought a while back because this is my favorite Warhammer Fantasy/AoS faction.

[@Swatman170]

I've really liked this series. I just want to see my main come up, the Orruk Warclans.

[@GumshoeClassic]

Da boss 'az spoken, I support da boss.

[@Swatman170]

@@GumshoeClassic Stikk up dem WAAAAGH! Bannaz!

[@whatsthisdoinghere]

These videos are getting more and more entertaining. Good job mate.

[@reiteration6273]

"We're just pawns that can see the board... and teleport once per turn for free." XD

[@eleanorrock8913]

I don't even mind the Saurus models that much. They are great for new players to paint and generally look pretty good on the table. I just wish I could go more mixed/neopolitan with them. That, and if I have to paint any more Saurus Knights, I'm gonna flip a table because they are the worst to get looking only okay.

[@KodeHz]

"Stone temple pilots at the helm" slow clap 👏

[@HeyWoah]

huehue

[@RosieJonesRules]

Faction focus: Ogors please!

[@narutofan33323]

tune into AOScoach's channel on oct 1. Heywaoh will be chatting about Beastclaw!

[@ElrohirGuitar]

I love that "Stone Temple Pilots" reference as well as Neil Young's After the Gold Rush lyrics "Well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceships flying".

[@HeyWoah]

Lifelong fan of neil young, I got easter eggs

[@ElrohirGuitar]

@@HeyWoah Me too. Started with Buffalo Springfield, but you are too young aren't you.

[@HeyWoah]

@@ElrohirGuitar I grew up listening to music from decades before I was born. nowhere, gold rush, harvest, rust, etc. And just a lot of stuff from 60s and 70s like captain beyond, allman bros, bowie, who, doors, floyd, cream, queen, robin trower, wishbone ash, tull, elton john, zappa, uriah heep, yes, king crimson, rush. ok now I'm in full nostalgia mode thanks

[@ElrohirGuitar]

@@HeyWoah My pleasure. That is still the music I listen to and play most of the time. Great time for music. Uriah Heep was one of my favorites. Take care.

[@cazer3937]

This series are just amazing, great quality content HeyWoah!

[@briancline7349]

One “point” of the Troglodon I think is acting as a fast moving and higher wound/relatively tough Arcane Vassal to extend the range of Lord Kroak’s spells.

[@SzogedWarlocks]

Great video as always! Very informative and it made me consider starting Seraphon.

[@recurvestickerdragon]

Hey, I just picked up the start-collecting box of these goodboi lizzers last month

[@AvocationNation]

Great review! I would really love to see the same coverage of Tzeentch, I'm Just Getting Started. Thank you!

[@jdurthu4304]

Your voice is sooooo smoth and calm haha. Paired with good quality content makes your vids super enjoyable

[@Grumdy]

You know it's a good day when HeyWoah drops a new vid

[@cmdrsausage]

This is really interesting, I've been getting back into the hobby after fantasy died and the commonly held wisdom of the Seraphon/Lizardmen community is that coalesced are more powerful for competitive play. I thought this was interesting given that starborne teleport just seems insane! Great to have options though, had nearly 5000 points in the old days so I reckon i can make it up as I go. Really enjoy your content mate, thankyou for the video

[@ertawanderer1062]

really? no one on lustria seems to think that. even hard core thunder lizards think star born is the better option since with coalesced 2 out of 4 of their allegiance abilities are useless or detrimental and scaly skin only does things when fighting 4ish armies.

[@Redrik666]

1+ stats have existed for a long time in AoS. People always make the mistake that modifiers affect the stat rather than the dice roll.

[@HeyWoah]

I couldn't think of another war scroll that had a 1+ armor characteristic naturally - which one did?

[@ShenanigansFox]

@@HeyWoah there isnt nat 1+ armor, but the rules work the same way with the 1+ wound manticore claws.

[@Redrik666]

​@@HeyWoah Manticore. It didn't have it as a save but it had 1+ to wound. Back when AoS dropped there was also some obscure chaos hero that hit on 1+ but can't remember which one it was.

[@HeyWoah]

@@ShenanigansFox Not as far as I can see. If you gave manticore claws -2 to wound from debuffs, they would fail on 2s. Which is different than bastiladon armor. If it worked the same, manticore claws would be unmodifiable either as warscroll note or FAQ/designer's commentary, but there's no such notes.

[@diamonddynamo9611]

The king of uploads

[@LoNaCl1628]

A heywoah army video? My day is made.

[@redmillion7089]

Great video as always. Looking forward to the BoC faction focus!

[@noprobllama9747]

Thanks for thos summary. Didn't follow AoS post oldhammer end times. Interesting to see the rules development.

[@DynamesGN002]

I'm super happy, that I found your channel! 😊👍👏👏👏👏

[@edgarorube3641]

Great game info AND knows about differences of the cultures Seraphon borrows from IRL. Does the heart good.

[@1who4me]

Those models look great, you guys are smoking something if you think otherwise

[@JakeDaemen]

Absolutely entertaining, thank you for the vid. It was fun to watch :)

[@zZloff]

Hey HeyWhoa, I've liked this video very much, as it gives me just another damn good reason to re-base all of my old Lizardmen minis to use them in AoS. I really hope that the new cham skink from Underworlds is soon out. Btw, have you seen the new Rumour Engine? It looks like there's a new Beastclaw mini o n the horizon + Vulture :D

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Seraphon is just the best faction, you can be fighting some Cultists, when out of nowhere a dimensional rift opens, dinosaurs with lazers are pouring obliterating _everything_ around, a psychic flying toad man just **Wom Woms** reality, and just like that the fight is over. They are gone, your army is gone, and the Cultist are gone. You don't know who won, for you do not care; you have witnessed the Ending Credits of the Universe.

[@Mayhamster818]

I wanna get into Age of Sigmar, and the Lizardmen were my favourite fantasy faction. Should I start with “Start Collecting! Skinks” or Start Collecting! Seraphon”?

[@Henksutin]

I just started the army, bought both of them

[@PeterIsATeacher]

Right as the pandemic hit, I impulse bought the two seraphon starter boxes because dinos on dinos. Imagine my surprise when I find out they're hella dope

[@spartnmarcen5110]

Can't wait for the rest of the Faction Focus. Hoping Seraphon get new models though and maybe Ardboyz getting an update too.

[@vermelsilk5833]

Nice work. Lookin forward to the next one.

[@julianlobo7838]

Hi new to Warhammer just got into 40k but the aztec dinos made me question if I choose the the right game , any tips. Getting tired of hearing about space marines

[@thedoyla]

Does anyone know where that page at 2:34 is from? Would love some guide sheets like that as I'm fairly new. Thanks!

[@benjaminpowers609]

Bruh this series is sick

[@Fredfredbug4]

Mayan dinosaurs riding dinosaurs who came from space to kill demons. There, that’s all you need to know.

[@kingmii7397]

Another great video! I can't wait till you start doing chaos

[@badplus0176]

This is seriously giving me Chrono Trigger 65,000,000 BC vibes. I don’t play AoS but I’m leaning towards “yes” now

[@Blackout5871]

So, new player here (coming over from a W40K background so not complete noob), and if I'm reading that 1+ Save rule right for the Bastiladon, then that only applies on a pure dice save. If it's dice plus that spell Big Joe dropped plus my neighbor Charlie's ability plus etcetera, then the 1 fails as per norm. Am I mathing that right?

[@HeyWoah]

As long as it's on the profile of the chart where it has a 1+ save, nothing else affects it's armor. -1, -10, +5, doesn't matter. Only way it fails is on a Natural 1. Once he's wounded, his armor functions normally.

[@madmachanicest9955]

Salon have always be borken and i love them.

[@GDPanda69]

Awe yiss, new Faction Focus!

[@1izzardish]

This convinced me to start a lizardman army

[@undertow92182]

@HeyWoah Are you planning on putting out Seraphon/Skaven army lists as follow up?

[@HeyWoah]

I have a bunch, but probably not as a video. The time it takes to make a list part 2 show is significant enough that I decided to always start the next faction focus so I can finish doing every army. Lists and stuff I just give to people on patreon and stuff when they need help.

[@undertow92182]

@@HeyWoah Oh cool, do you have anywhere that you post your lists? Or is that a Patreon only perk?

[@DominicD240]

I actually think with the new battletome the Dread Saurian isn't bad. It used to be trash, but it's rules update was one of the most dramatic in the entire army. 35 wounds, 4+ save that you can easily buff up to a 3+, and in coalesced you have 4 attacks dealing a flat 6 damage each. You will also ruin anyone that isn't battleshock immune in the battleshock phase. He also dishes out a ton of mortal wounds on a charge, and when he dies, and can ignore enemy spells. He can also make a very very effective distraction carnifex. He's such a rare model, that people don't know what he does, and just assume they need to focus him down.

[@HeyWoah]

I think that last part is the strongest case for him. I don't find his numbers and abilities leaning towards being particularly great at any job, exactly, but you will be able to capitalize on opponent confusion. Distraction Anvil imo.

[@optimusWII]

So much information in this video!

[@thesophistichimp7425]

Would you mind explaining the bastiladons save again? My understanding of it was that your save was basically a 2+ even when getting hit with rend one. So you roll saves against an attack with no rend, and you need 2s because 1s fail, but if you’re hit with rend 1 you still need 2s as your save stat is 1. Is this right or have I completely misunderstood?

[@HeyWoah]

While its save characteristic is a 1+ it ignores rend. Once it charts to be worse than a 2+ naturally, then rend works normally.

[@thesophistichimp7425]

HeyWoah right ok! Thanks for clarifying that paragraph didn’t help and couldn’t wrap my head around it when you were explaining it in the video either haha

[@RideDatDonkey97]

I do wanna play the dino-men. Thanks for a great informative video even if moat of it went over my head (I'm still pretty new)

[@ima_danimal8838]

I 3D print the entire roster from OnePageRules. Some amazing talent over there. Once you figure out the correct scaling they work great with AOS.

[@Dehalove]

I’m new but it’s pretty obvious you know your shit. Funny and informative!

[@FinalIcharus]

Love these videos!

[@briancline7349]

Could you explain more why Seraphon are like Starcraft units? I didn’t quite follow you on that one lol. I’m thinking about them as an alternative to my first choice, Lumineth, as they seem way cheaper with some excellent Start Collecting, and they were my second favorite faction in Fantasy behind High Elves... their mechanics and play style sound really cool here. Some of the models I’m not a huge fan of, but Skinks, Stegadons, Slann, and other heroes look cool enough anyway.

[@HeyWoah]

Mostly that you're choosing specialized units to fight or counter what you expect your opponent to have / sending the right ones out to do particular jobs. As opposed to having an obvious core that you build a strategy around like witch aelves or hearthguard.

[@briancline7349]

HeyWoah oh ok, that actually really appeals to me as having depth for list building strategy is a part of Wargames that definitely appeals to me, like most factions in 40k have.

[@briancline7349]

HeyWoah oh and is it viable to be using both Skinks and some Saurus say like Guard or is it better to put your eggs in one basket to best exploit buffs? I’d prefer to use skinks as my main battle line group and then some Saurus Guard (I like the models)/knights as well but was wondering if that would stretch my buffing too far. I’d probably start with the Start Collecting Skinks! Box if I decided to do Seraphon over Lumineth, which are much more pricey money wise.

[@HeyWoah]

@@briancline7349 They mix well

[@alexanderilthari9328]

Awesome, this is just what I asked for, thank you!

[@vrinnmetagen]

Idk what I did wrong with my saurus knights, everything was cut and smoothed correctly but the riders still can't sit right on their mounts.

[@CalebHastings]

Yeah, Saurus Knights are a pretty bad kit. Nothing fits right, the riders look old, and the cold ones look so bad compared to the Drakespawn Knights (also riding cold ones)!

[@metalord23.46]

Thanks for this blessed content

[@davidblenner9082]

Croaks magic making it to the real world pfffffffft Amazing!

[@travislankford9254]

Aw yeah. I'm here for it.

[@dosegreen]

Thanks for the great content!

[@kosachilles2504]

Man I love these videos! Iron jaws coming soon?

[@sorcerer3419]

don't even play this game but i love this series

[@mrbigglezworth42]

It's kind of a savage roast that SEGA and Creative Assembly can come up with better models for Lizardmen then Gdubs has in decades.

[@ExileDCC]

I can feel the production value.

[@HeyWoah]

I've tried to increase the recording quality and consistency as well - it bothered me in earlier videos.

[@ExileDCC]

HeyWoah not at all a dig. I really enjoy your content. I don’t play AOS, however I do have quite a large amount of the previous Slaves to Darkness models that I got for super cheap since they were old. Keep up the good work.

[@SuRpriiZeGaming]

the paint guide for the carnosaur where is this from ?

[@Lexgamer]

Could still use some more dinosaurs, like a Pachy for a battering ram, or a Bronto for a siege tower.

[@matigow]

Saurus knights looks so derp :ccc but this is definitely the army I wanna build

[@Brugrebbla8]

Can anyone tell me where it's stated that wound transfers still stack with ward saves as per the new rules? And is it just for seraphon or are all wound transfers stackable with ward saves?

[@HeyWoah]

All wound transfers stack with wards because they do not "negate" - which is what the special rule restricts.

[@Beelzebufo_ampinga]

The mighty frog must be satisfied

[@zerillisguren7720]

I just wanna get some of these, just to paint.

[@Bane779]

Will you be doing a Tzeentch focus?

[@AoSCoach]

Bonus points for Wolverine incorporation

[@Moshhpit1]

honestly just commenting to try and boost this video, keep up the fantastic work we are not worthy

[@blurghthebuilder8793]

Geez I never got the new seraphon book But they changed the engine of the gods a lot the 18 roll used to give you another turn