HHO Wet Cell vs Dry Cell - Why the Dry Cell is Better

[@eesiflo]

First time someone has explained the difference. Much appreciated.

[@RobertSmith-us5gx]

If you want to know about bolt insulation keep reading. The bolts are insulated with heat shrink tube or plastic tube. If you use shrink tube, the gasket holes should be a bit smaller than the holes on the plates. When the plates squeeze the gasket, the gasket expands causing the bolt to center itself. Make sure you install a fuse to avoid a fire.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

No, you don't need to separate the two for a torch. You will get a flashback when you turn off the torch so you need flashback arrestors. You can however use compressed air in a second hose to the torch to blow out the flame without a flashback.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Yes, the bolts have a sleeve of material that insulates them just as you described. The material varies depending on who makes them.

[@jakeclayborne9041]

I had the same question a lot of you are asking about the bolts contacting with the steel plates. What I found is that you can use Heat shrink tubing that has the diameter of your bolts and once heat is applied you will have a permanent rubber insulator.

[@Mrchnop]

I would really like to know how to construct a cell that would allow me to collect only the hydrogen, separate from the oxygen, to be pumped into a holding tank for later use.

[@rockpauly3200]

excuse me sir on your wet cell generator, may i point out that if you increase the distance between your positive and negative connections on the plates and put washers or better yet thick rubber o-rings or rubber grommets in between your plates physically separating them from each other, which creates more distance or surface area the electricity is forced to travel across causing higher efficiency

[@arthurcabral9561]

THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT TUTORIAL! - Doctor Steven Greer's forensic analysis of the Stan Meyer tragedy sent me here! This is a electrolytic dissolution of water into primary element strategy, usually sodium hydro chlorate is used as a catalyst.

[@thisguyhere675]

I notice when you bolt all those plates that have been separated by gaskets together. You still have steel connecting to every plate. From the bolts. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the separation? There are steel rods still touching every single plate, connecting them together. Help me understand this.

[@Coldasjones]

i would assume to allow more of the surface area exposed? i am no expert by any means, just a guess EDIT: after actually watching the video.... i would think its so that the water doesnt just pour out the bottom, it keeps the H2o inside the cell.

[@jakeclayborne9041]

I had the same question, and basically what I found is that you will use heat shrink tubing on every bolt. That is what will insulate the individual bolt

[@marsseeker6208]

THis GuyHere then use plastic bolts and see the difference. and of course you can always put plastic tubes in the holes and again use metal bolts.

[@sharonlee1529]

+THis GuyHere Don't use steel bolts.

[@cristiandejesus99]

Incredible I would love to learn more. Great job putting together this high quality video.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Yes, that would keep the container from blowing up. You still should not use glass. Dry cells can and do leak some times. Usually at the gaskets because the nuts need to be tightened down or just a bad seal due to design.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Yes, greater spacing would require you to mix the electrolyte at a stronger concentration.

[@billbulkley1341]

Hi Mike. You do a very good job of explaining how things work but i have a question about the dry cell that you are showing.What keeps the bolts from shorting out the plates as the bolt passes throught the plates is there an insulater on the bolts ? I hope so or that would be a direct short from plate to plate.

[@wcemichael]

You can not put ordinary copper wires in the water they will corode and wear out quickly, I have my own wet cells and I've just made a couple of mini dry cells that I call the "mini me". I just got a pair of amp meters and will try to do some compaison test between wet/dry, neutral/no neutral plate compairisons on amps to LPM ratios. Of course, HHOconnection may have done some himself. He does have a lot more equipment than I do and has bee at it a little longer.

[@mayad8509]

the sprark u talked about that expodes ur wet cell, how is then u can seperate h2 and 02 and burn it at same time, plasma electrolosis, hho can be an electrical connection, in water , and hho as by product, then we can play with wireless hho water capacitors.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

@warren52nz At 10 amps, most of the cells I have tested will put out anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 LPM depending on their efficiency. The best I have tested was 12v and 15 amps for 1 LPM. I know others who have seen 1 LPM t 12 amps on their cells.

[@E85LONEFOX]

@hhoconnection I just bought a 1994 GMC Suburban K1500 4WD and it's an excellent vehicle but the fuel consumption is high though (about 10 mpg city driving and 14 mpg highway driving) but then again you can't expect economic fuel mileage out of a full-size SUV I don't regret buying it though the engine has about 80k miles on it, it was rebuilt and I got it cheap. Well anyway to the point, I've been looking into building an HHO generator for my vehicle. Thanks for posting this video!

[@stewartbull8548]

Hi Mike, Great video's very clear and well explained.I am building a dry cell which i am finding quite time consuming and very difficult to keep plates flat when drilling holes etc.But instead of getting frustrated and losing interest i have built a wet cell using ss rod wound in a coil and in a screw top jar.I wired it on to car battery and it works really well production is more than i thought. I have one concern which is the water/electrolyte gets warm after about 5 minutes.I have heard you talk about water temperature on dry cells and wondered what you think is maximum acceptable water temperature is? (degrees C).Also why not baking soda and how can i adjust current draw from cell? From watching your video's I believe current draw (amps) is determined by solution strength which will result in cooler water. weaken solution=less amps=cooler running temp strengthen solution=higher amps=hotter running temp. Could you confirm my theory is correct Its thanks to your video's I am experimenting with HHO and enjoying every minute, Thanks again Stewart Refrigeration and motor vehicle engineer UK

[@vincecarter7103]

Thanks for the video and it makes sense but I hear there is cleaning to be done after time in the wet cell inventions. I suspect there would be cleaning to be done in this set up as well. Perhaps that's the reason for the 1/8 inch gaskets? Just guessing........it's all brand new to me.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I do use neutral plates. Look for my video called "HHO Neutral Plates Explained".

[@jagannathmukherji]

goes having two exit path at top, allowing one to pass gas in cell portion & keeping other pass blind can separate Hydrogen & Oxygen in cell separated by membrane

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I have not noticed any degradation to the plates or gaskets with many years of use. The plates will degrade if you use too many volts/plate gap or too many amps for the total amount of surface area. See my videos on neutral plates and maximum amps for an explanation.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

You have connections on all the power plates (+ and - plates). The rest are neutral plates meaning that there is no connection, just floating plates. Watch my video called "HHO Neutral Plates Explained", it will explain what I am talking about.

[@pdionne03901]

You raised issue of the wet cells possibly having a spark travel into the unit causing an explosion, but if the person uses standard procedures they will be using a bubbler, which would prevent that from happening.

[@crobulari2328]

Watch the excellent video again and this time pay attention. Also depends on the Voltage, Current and plate surface area. A good material is 316 St. St. about 0.6mm thickness. Thanks for a very good video Mike.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I wish you luck with that, I'm an electronics dummy. I know many people have tried to achieve resonance with no luck, maybe you will figure it out, I hope so.

[@Blagoje1991]

Hi there! Well explained, thank you for your video. But i have a question: i made HHO generator with 11 plates and i have been using it for almost 4 months. Now, because winter is coming, i don't know how will my generator behave. The main question is: what happens with the generator itself during low temperatures (5 - 30 degrees F)? I am afraid that the ice will form inside the generator and that it will expand, breaking the plexiglass. Am i right? What to do during winter time? Best regards!

[@TheOpperjostie]

Why don't you use neutral plates between the plates with current on them ? You only need 2 volts per plate to make hho . You will safe electricity. Nice video! Greetings from Holland.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

It works by gravity. The reservoir is mounted higher than the cell. Gravity pushes the electrolyte to the bottom of the cell and the cell kind of pumps HHO and electrolyte out of the top port of the cell back into the reservoir where the electrolyte is re-cirulated. The HHO goes out of the reservoir and to the bubbler.

[@budabob07]

Thanks for the video. Didn't know how a dry cell worked before I saw this.

[@moriancreed6856]

what is the average life of a dry cell battery against a liquid cell battery?? is there any benefit in life spam of dry cell battery?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

1/16" gap is a good for less than 3 lpm. Over that you might go wider, like 1/8" just to help flow.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Look at a video of a dry cell working. You will see an inlet on the bottom of the cell. electrolyte comes in and fills the cell because of the holes in the plates. The holes at the top allow the HHO gas and some electrolyte to exit the cell through another fitting coming out of the top of the dry cell. Water in the bottom, out the top.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I answered your question when I made this video. I don't know what else to tell you except ask Bob Boyce.

[@ytkdmr]

Well, whats the point of using plates connected to neither negative nor positive ? Why do u use plates between negative and positive? they have no contact so they wont produce any gas ?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Watch my video called "HHO Neutral Plates Explained". And yes, the neutral plates produce gas as well.

[@SmokymntnEd]

Has anyone you know of tried a quick dip in Hydrochloric acid to etch the plates rather than Sand Blasting ?

[@elsandypants84]

Best way i ever seen this explained. very very well done!

[@jedclampett95]

The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it, even at maximum efficiency, the input energy of a closed system will always equal the output energy, as the first law of thermodynamics states.

[@Voxters]

For Safety a wet-cell is better then a dry-cell !!!! - Conectors outside of the seal (dry-cell) = Connectors outside an Housing (wet-cell) - The tube upside the cell can explode = the wet cell can explode - to many ways to get a leak at a dry Cell - A wet-cell is a case itselfe... a "wet-cell" is the real dry one... - In a dry-cell heat and oldage will destroy your seals. In a wet-cell, you can get space between plates and housing. And for the efficiency: MAYBE its 0.1% better. (i dont think so) Doesnt look like fun to clean a dry cell. Efficiency still depends on Platedesign. Doesnt look, as there are many ways to design a dry cell. Plus, a wet cell ever uses all of its water. A dry cell needs a perfeckt flow. In my eyes, wet cell wins.

[@pazsion]

@inooojooo higher concentration of H and O in the "dry cell" but if there is copper sulfate (tap water) in the water it burns greener. Various other things also influence the color of the flame.

[@MM-sb1gd]

HI, Mike... You showed where the electrical connector attaches to the tab on the upper left corner of the plate. Is this the positive or negative wire? Where does the other electrical supply attach to? Apparently it doesn't matter that the steel plates are, in effect, physically connected by means of the bolts which contact all of them, right?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

@inooojooo If you are getting a green flame, you probably have something in your reservoir or bubbler that is causing it. a yellow flame means that there is still some catalyst or water in the line. A good HHO flame should be violet/blue to invisible.

[@rdlnke]

I have a couple of questions. The bolts that you use to keep the cell together, are they insulated or a specific type bolt that is used? And if you were to stagger the three holes at the top and the one at the bottom left and right, would that help keep the electricity from taking the path of least resistance? Thanks for the video, it helped me understand why I should go with a Dry Cell : )

[@jagannathmukherji]

is it okay / safe to use more electrolytes & control amps by pwm used to control motor speed ?

[@JK-eh3dt]

i am inside water in hho generator but water colors will be changed.so you help me and tell me what in use matrial

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

You just need a one way valve after your reservoir and before the bubbler. This will prevent the water from the bubbler from being sucked back into the reservoir when the system cools.

[@legendsamurai960]

no need pump because it create inside pressure automaticaly push out the hho gas outside the cell ...

[@SilentGamer-jt8dl]

Hi there, do you need a water pump to circulate the water through the plates?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

No, gravity will do it for you. Just mount the reservoir higher than the cell.

[@iamimad123456]

hhoconnection are you from Lebanon

[@howtoguro]

+hhoconnection Hey, why not score the stainless steel plates increasing the surface area?

[@SgtGrinsta]

I created a dry cell a while back, can you tell me what you think? I have a new, clear PVC piping bubbler. I will be adding another video to show the revisions HHO Motorcycle - Run on Hydrogen

[@9kuuby9]

Is their a video of how you made the scrubber's? I can tell it's clear PVC? Really neat system you got their!

[@zacht902]

Thanks for honest straight forward fact based information.!!

[@42222]

Don't the bolts short this dry cell out touching the plates?

[@marsseeker6208]

cab3 put plastic tubes in the holes. or use plastic bolts.

[@Gagef220]

+cab3 I agree, I never even thought of the bolts coming into contact with the plates. Unless the gaskets really did prevent that from happening. I guess the only way around that problem would be to put a rubber sleeve or a long plastic tube around the bolts to prevent the edge of the plates coming into contact with the bolts. That way you have absolute prevention of current leakage, which would lead to complete efficiency of the system. Man thats a very good point you brought up. Anybody have any answers yet to that design.

[@Gagef220]

+cab3 Unless you use small enough bolts, where the bolts "float" through the holes. I found a pretty cool design by the name of PEM Electrolyzer fuelcellstore.com/horizon-mini-pem-electrolyzers-fcsu-010 by the looks of the design it looks like everything is sealed off from each other and the bolts just keep the entire case together

[@marsseeker6208]

Gage Foltyn It's not a problem at all to keep the bolts away from water . just put them outside the seal, not a problem at all

[@Gagef220]

Oh right on! Thanks for clearing that up. It makes sense now. :)

[@ChallengeTheNarrative]

hhoconnection Hi Mike, can you tell me what the degradation / disintegration is with the dry cell steel plates? I was thinking of using graphite plate for potentially less disintegration, what do you think about this? :-) Cheers

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

The bolts are covered with a plastic or rubber sleeve to insulate them.

[@sdablack]

thanks you for this information. I am doing an auto restoration and will try this - but It seems this method could be used in a home furnace or boiler too. Have you tried that (either wet or dry cell)? steve

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Don't worry, myself and others who have been doing this for a while have all addressed the Hexavalent Chromium issue. That is one of the reasons I preach not over-driving your cell. And no, my electrolyte does not turn yellow.

[@d.l.russell5731]

Thank you for the video, excellent job. Is there any proof and evidence of how much or if using an HHO dry cell device saving gas and how much, if any? I've watched Myth Busters and other programs and scientists who have used HHO devices and have received: 0% gas savings. Could you point me to the contrary? Thanks!

[@thisguyhere675]

This isn't a design for your car.

[@JCarterDammit]

D.L. Russell I would strongly advise you to not blindly and unquestioningly believe the results of any semi-controversial thing you see tested on Mythbusters. For HHO, they first off didn't use electrolytes with their electrolysis, and secondly they didn't use a bubbler. Or like Ericsr48 says, "Mythbusters is a controlled opposition who's main purpose is mis and dis info. Fuck them, they are shill scum!". For some people Mythbusters can ruin creative ideas for the purpose of supporting the societal status quo...in this case, they could have turned thousands of people away from the potential of HHO to support the fossil fuel norm.

[@thisguyhere675]

Fyi I made a very cheap version of a wet cell in my home with things that were laying around my house. Made one out of a mayonnaise jar and cut up a couple tuna fish cans, hooked up a car battery charger and that produced a ton of hho. Not enough to fuel my car. Although the output from this thing that I made in about 20 minutes was quite impressive. A word of caution this isn't something to toy with. I nearly blew myself up.

[@warren52nz]

@warren52nz Yes, I've checked and I'm right. From Wiki: "The number of electrons pushed through the water is twice the number of generated hydrogen molecules and four times the number of generated oxygen molecules." There IS a direct relationship between how much current (= flow of electrons) and how much gas is produced. The current doesn't "leak" out, the only place electrons can go is from the positive plate to the negative, that's the only force driving them. So unless I misunderstood you...

[@carl1095]

You say there is a risk of a spark and then explosion in a wet cell. Would a pressure valve on the unit that holds the water solve that problem if that occurs? How big is the risk of leakage on a dry cell?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

No, I've just played with torches. If you do a search for HHO burner or HHO heater, you will find videos where others are working on ideas.

[@brianburen]

Seems the "metal" bolts used would short this out, maybe some nylon or similar non-conductive bolts may improve performance?

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Many people have tried that idea. You still get current leakage from the top and bottom edges of the plates.

[@lifechaser]

Hello Mike. How do you determine how much hydrogen-oxygen gas each engine is capable of using without providing to much. THANKS.

[@karlknudson4991]

im thinking that you would need a nylon sleve to go around the bolts to insulate them and you could stager the tab on plates to conect the power ,and if im not mistaken you only have to do a wire conect every 6 th plate if you are on a 12 v system ,because the max draw is 2v per plate , at least that is what someone else posted ,you would definately need a ground to make this work

[@warren52nz]

"The best I have tested was 12v and 15 amps for 1 LPM." OK so that's 12 X 15 = 180 watts. After a minute you'd have enough HHO to produce one power stroke from a 1 litre engine. I can't see it saving money at that rate. What's your take on it?

[@carl1095]

Can you please explain more in depth how the water flows through the plates in a dry cell. I still can't figure out how the water enters and hho exits the plates.

[@derektorres3984]

I have built a 8 stainless steel plates (+NNNNNN-) wet cell and i've been having some trouble with overheating due to the 14volt source that i use. I use 6 neutral plates, this is to have 2 volt in between (learned this from one of your videos of neutral plates explained). after 5min of use it starts to overheat and i really ignore if overheating is normal, but i haven't seen someone talk about an overheating wet cell, can i have some advice please? thanks in advance. this info may help: - each plate is 3"x1.5" 304 Stainless Steel 16 caliber. - i use nylamid screws and washers to separate each plate. - 450ml of distilled water with half spoon of sodium hydroxide. - each connection is made by a large sheet of stainless steel.

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

Sanding or media blasting the plates does help with production a little bit but not much.

[@sandradarker3647]

please can you tell me how to couple up the wires on the dry cell if you have 12 or 14 plates or evan more and what have you got to rember i am useing 12volts very good well explained

[@kf4dcy]

the only way to port the water and gasses in and out of the plates without current loss is to peripheral port each gasket. that would mean you need greater spacing between each plate. my question is. would the greater spacing between each plate require higher current demands to function.

[@pareshprajapati7916]

thanks for sharing knowledge on HHO to the world, excellent job. thanks

[@jimmiejameswright1309]

Mike when I first herd you guys speak of stainless 3/16 I thought it meant thickness after talking to someone that that was going to cut the pieces told me 316 means the aloy, and I purchase 304 aloy will that work? and why 316

[@cyrustony]

A U shaped separator wet cell would be safer than regular wet cell ... right.

[@FLaMaBLe1121]

something I just can't get my head around... The bolts holding everything together run through all the plates (of course the gaskets also) but how do you stop the plates touching the bolts and shorting out the power supply?

[@warren52nz]

Can you tell us how many liters per minute (or in old fashioned units if you prefer) of HHO you get from a dry cell running at 10 amps and 12 volts? I presume the term "HHO" refers to hydrogen and oxygen gas mixed together in a 2 to 1 ratio. Is that right? Thanks

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I'm not an installation guy, I'm a bench tester. I know of many others who have been using HHO on their cars. Most of them are on the HHO forums. GO to hhoforums (dotcom) and you will see.

[@tucker934]

i made a wet cell out of a masson jar and it whent boom i had cut all over my face never make a wet cell they are dangers thank for your vid it help me alot

[@centralcoastoffgrid]

I don't make the dry cells, I am a re-seller and don't have plans for them. There are some drawings available on the forums if you do some searching.

[@FLaMaBLe1121]

Thanks mike, I thought that might be the case, but I've never found it shown to me insulated

[@ShaunDobbie]

I have had a flashback and all that happened was the gas inside the generator just flashed brightly with a loud snap noise. Nothing exploded.

[@robinsss]

when the HHO is headed to the air intake is it in gas form or liquid? what is the bubbler?

[@blakeponders3047]

Hi,do you happen to sell this as a kit that can be purchased?,,,,thanks

[@shinriu123]

hi mike I whanted to ask you since you seem wellrounded in the hho know how, are you useing hho on a car or do you know anyone who is and for how long have they ben useing hho, any set backs? any inprovements,Im fixing to put one on my suv and would like some input froeople that haven doing this for a while.

[@randomlettersqzkebkw]

Which one produces more gas? the Dray or the Wet? I would assume that since the water covers more surface area of the plates, that the wet cell would be more efficient?

[@RobertoGPuentesDiaz]

what do you think about this design? Stanley Meyer Tubular water fuel cell replication (10 tubes)

[@pumkinchunkin]

hi i just had a question y do you put neutral metal plates between the positive and the negative doesn't that reduce productivity

[@이민주-w6g]

hi sir gud day i ask what kind of water use for not contamenate the stainles plate...

[@doneadiizua76]

any one know how water is contained or if water passes through the cell..? kind of puzzled about that. every thing else makes sence but that part. I wish Mike can explain.

[@TheCirano116]

Hi Mike, my question is What do you put in the water ? Baking soda or potasium hydroxide and how much in how much water? Thanks Mike.

[@ps2hacker]

I just switched from baking soda to lye, why does the lye create so much scale on my plates? It's worse than the baking soda, and that was bad enough to clean the scale off.

[@kanta7662]

how much capacity hho wet cell we have to use for a 4-stroke 100c.c SI engine and pls guide how to make hho wet cell clearly for that engine or a model of that. and what dimensions of the electrodes used for above mentioned engine

[@lownlazy]

new to hho, love your videos mike, thanks

[@amayamoonie]

Hi. Mike, Is it possible how to explain the construction of the cell H2 not the hho, so far there is two ways one using a membrane, 2nd one flip the gasket at the bottom holes which appears the easier. Thanks for your help. By.

[@klchest]

have you heard of aquatune? 2.5 LPM on 1.5 amps. whats your input on this system vrs hho. aquatune is very pricey

[@doneadiizua76]

How do you contain the water in the cell.? could u please tell me? thanks

[@kirbywatch07]

I made a wet one and it would boil dry short of a tank of gas, then finally leaked so bad I gave up...lol but it took my big van from 13 mpg to 17, would you sell one of your dry ones ?

[@erikavagaska7252]

what is better ? smaller and lot plates or bigger and no more plates for dry cell generator (sorry for bad english)

[@tgman1054]

The tube is in the cell and has a adjuster to restrict air flow plus a pressure valve.Just currious.Thank you

[@bornagain5234]

how about a copper an zinc coil warp pipe? Do you think the concept would work?

[@curci62010]

how dose the hho gas and the electrolyte circulate from the cell to the reservoir. is it some sort of siphon or something i don't really understand