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[@airminer]

The problem with vertical video - that this Podcast perfectly demonstrates - Is that People tend to embed it into 16:9 video with bars. Then you go an try to play it on your phone, and you end up staring at a postage stamp sized video even if you put it on full screen. If you are going to film in vertical, *please* have the whole video in vertical, and encode the video in 9:16, so that we can at least watch the video in full screen on our phones.

[@jordanc.m.6735]

hear hear

[@OldClam5]

Spot on.

[@thatoneweirdperson]

I think that's the point - the thumbnail deliberately looks like that as well

[@crudman69]

This is Bradley's profession. If I didn't know better I'd say he cropped it to look like that and in combination with his wife's pics.

[@hariompokharel7029]

Vertical videos courtesy of Dr. Brady.

[@william5018]

You spell his name wrong it is bradly

[@taylorhancock5834]

I don't entirely know why or how there have been this many HI episodes being released recently, but I hope it keeps up the pace because I'm greatly enjoying listening this often. Can't wait for more!

[@musikSkool]

This comment makes me sad. R.I.P. HI

[@TammyJerkChicken]

That Tim gets a medal 🏅

[@sannywhite2243]

when grey said "alexa turn on the lights" my alexa turned the lights on lol

[@nikolatasic9452]

What's the point of a premiere if You Tube sends me a notification 10 minutes in the video?

[@RhythmAssistedPoetry]

I was wondering how I missed the notification... guess there wasn't really any notification lol

[@adamzeno6014]

Yo man I just got my notification now 😕

[@hukama6911]

Ed?

[@finler3]

I'd much prefer the premieres be on 10-20 minute videos to watch with the community. makes it seem like much more of a celebration

[@thegmanprince64]

Amazing how both my alexa and my siri got triggered with this episode

[@MarcCoteMusic]

I don't know if KZbin works differently in Canada, but some time ago I deleted my viewing history and all recommendations for a type of video I watched once went away. Since then I keep my history fairly clean... not empty, because I do want recommendations, but I keep it to a core set of video types that appeal to me.

[@nikolatasic9452]

You Tube recommends videos based on your history. If you do not want a video to stay in your history the mobile app has incognito mode.

[@MarcCoteMusic]

@@nikolatasic9452 - I don't do much of the mobile thing, so I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. In any case, I find keeping my history to a few topics keeps the recommendations fairly relevant to me.

[@LordxDutch]

The one thing that convinced me my phone is listening is that I was out to dinner with family I almost never see. While I was there my uncle was talking about how his BMW was in the shop because it had some transmissions issues. I talked with him shortly about it but didn't think much of it. Later that night on the drive home I went on chrome on my phone to read some article from Reddit an bam ad about a BMW specific mechanic near me. The next day I got one specifically about Transmission specialists for BMWs. I do not own a BMW and no one I know has a BMW besides my uncle and i have no interest in cars and wouldn't look up anything about cars, mechanics or BMWs. There could be another reason, but this sold me on it. Especially since if I say "ok Google" at any time my phone hears it. Just like grey said. They're always listening, and I don't know if I trust that they don't do anything with what they hear.

[@AkiSan0]

@gray: the phone listens. period. no questions ask. if that happens ONCE with an everyday product your argument would be valid. but it happens ALL THE TIME. you talk about X, X pops up in ads and amazon recommendations. it was like that years ago and it still is.

[@stevenstevenson9365]

I think that the Snooker video was recommended to you because you and your friend watch similar things on youtube, so you get recommenced similar videos. The snooker video could well have been recommended to you several times before, but since you weren't looking for just didn't notice it/remember it. So basically a coincidence but with some setup to make it a bit more that just a coincidence.

[@Andrew-sl7yh]

There's a term for that: Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon. It refers to when you increasingly notice something after having become familiar with it. It's like when you hear a word for the first time and then suddenly you see / hear it everywhere. It was always there, you just didn't notice it because you were not familiar with it.

[@jamsistired]

I was talking about an old tv show and when I check my phone and I saw an add for that show and it was a random obscure show that I had never looked for ever before.

[@jb5920]

if there is voice search......... that is normal and common there is a telepathic search that is in function since 2009.

[@Garbaz]

28:35 That's something I do a lot. I want to watch a video, but I don't want to get more videos like that recommended, so I open the video in a private window.

[@kylec8015]

52:52 Lol I was so sure that Grey was going to mention his tie.

[@androkon6920]

The algorithm seems to have been suddenly fixed for me months ago. Ever since I've been receiving videos I actually wanna watch and far less than 10% of videos are garbage from the trending tab.

[@stirhaven1981]

This podcast makes playing games 100 times more enjoyable

[@NotHPotter]

Hey Grey, just remove them from your watch history to fix that.

[@nintySW]

Use timestamps, otherwise pepole have no idea what your talking about in an over 1 hour long vid

[@fanq_]

think they're talking about 28:18 ish where Grey talks about "I don't even want to click on some of those videos because I know they'll be following me around forever"

[@ondrejbrezina4053]

I think the problem with the Speaker compared to a referee or a teacher, is that MPs actually choose the Speaker, so if he were too harsh and they didn't like him, they could choose someone else.

[@overelemental]

I think the main issue with the vertical videos is the phone/app developer not understanding they should make horizontal the default, and having to change the settings to do take a vertical one. It should be a non-issue nowadays, should be able to store the video in a proper resolution, no matter how stupidly people hold their phone while filming.

[@jonasblum]

What's the point of a premiere if the notification comes 50 minutes in?!?

[@starscarrednyx]

26:00 (around) the computer I think, will/can use the caption data in videos so if the podcast went up then the data got captured. Not via audio but tje text from the CC (captions). Maybe. Something to think about.

[@Snubben123143]

39:26

[@ProjectSeventy]

My uncle is an MP, and he chose that career path mainly for the raucous yelling and insulting of parliament. His other choice of career would be bishop so he gets to wear the nice robes and hat.

[@jamminkeys]

I forgot about Glove and Boots, those guys were great xD

[@profwaldone]

phones can technically record everything, all the time, as long as the battery is inside. I am absolutely sure your phone listens to you talking at random intervals.

[@christiandevey3898]

I watched/listened to a hair metal playlist on KZbin and I was suggested a few documentaries about the genre I personally found that helpful

[@TheNimshew]

Did the snooker game have ads? It was televised. It's possible that the ad was used during the game. That sounds more likely than anything else

[@AppleDevourer]

Hi I heard my name

[@jacobherlin3704]

I've noticed a trend lately where a lot of musicians release alternate vertical music videos. I guess they realize a lot of content is consumed on phones.

[@fionafiona1146]

I want wide angles for comment viewing.

[@mysticmarbles]

I think horizontal video usually looks better because it lines up with your field of vision (assuming you have two eyes) but vertical has it's uses (capturing a guy climbing a tall building. Both are fine. Just don't embed an entirely vertical video in a wide format, or it gets tiny on a phone.

[@TehKola2]

Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring forth to the attention of the right honorable gentlemen the representatives for America and Australia, that videos that "premier" do both worse with views and are generally more annoying to the public than regularly uploaded episodes. I would like to add to the point of order that we abolish such procedures effective immediately.

[@Gunbudder]

20:20 How does Brady not know that your phone listens to literally everything all the time, and uses that data to serve you ads? This isn't a tin foil hat thing either, its a very well known fact of how the google ap, and other aps work. Brady's phone heard the keywords required to recommend it, and then it recommended it. This isn't a hidden feature either. If you read the TOS and EULA for EVERY SINGLE APP on your phone, you will find that you gave google and many others permission to record you and serve ads. Also your phone's mic is just ALWAYS on. Even if you have your assistant off, the mic is always on. It may or may not be saving more than a few seconds of recording at a time, but it is always recording. How you do think google's ap knows when you say "hey google?" Its always listening for you to say that phrase.You just simple have to trust that google or apple or whoever isn't saving more recording than they should. sleep tight!

[@maxafc4695]

Can you point me to TOS or EULA for an app that says that they use the microphone to sell that data to google for ads? Because i am pretty sure that Google are on the record as saying that they don't listen to you to gather info for ads, but wouldn't be surprised if i was wrong.

[@22Kyu]

Wow, actually caught a premier while premiering! 😄

[@jamcdonald120]

I revise my redit opinion, anyone who films vertical video for anything that is not ACTUALLY HORIZONTAL (giant tower jump?) should be forced to live, sleep, and eat in a vertical box

[@TheTypoMatser]

Brady, Ive had the incident where I search for something I spoke about earlier and its the first thing that pops up after putting in 2 letters. I swear our phones are listening, even more so now that I've heard your story.

[@DylanSargesson]

On the topic of PMQs technically it's "Questions to the Prime Minister"

[@ssdd28561]

Whole bit about video coincidence: You're connecting the wrong pieces. Was the snooker accident connected to a car ad? Obviously no. The same way I see Vox video about R / L swapps in asian languages under this podcast. But are you connected to a snooker accident video? Yes. You're a white male that looks sport videos sometimes. Is it a crazy idea that you might want to see the snooker accident? No. And if the accident was recent, guess what demographic was watching it in the first place? I bet white males that sometimes watch sport videos. The same way Vox video is not connected to this podcast, but it is popular, and it is popular among people like me, and I would probably want to watch it.

[@Minstorm34]

The most reasonable explanation is that the snooker video got recommended to both Brady and Tim separately (along with a bunch of other people) and the car ad is a red herring

[@cmhsepeefencer]

I find the vertical video way less annoying then the amount of times Brady used the phrase "in the wild."

[@TomDillon13]

KZbin does link viewers of channels, so it wouldn't surprise me if they linked friends.

[@DrinkyMcBeer]

Im probably in the minority, but I personally hate premieres. I'm never on at the right time to watch them, so they end up as extra clutter in my feed. It basically feels like an ad for a video I can't watch yet, which just makes me more mad as I have premium specifically so I don't have to deal with ads. I wish there was a way to tell KZbin to just hide all the premiere crap and simply show me the video when its live just like normal.

[@krmusick]

Vertical Videos will *_ALWAYS_* be an unforgivable sin.

[@menlover4796]

Very nice .

[@andrerangel5256]

Loved the vertical vidio

[@ModdedDarts]

Even if your phone is slow to recognize you turned horizontal as long as you hold it vertical then you can rotate the video later, right grey?

[@todkapuz]

I don't think I've ever commented to someone who uses vertical solely for that purpose... kinda pointless..... but I know I am aggrevated internally when I see a vertical video thats been transcoded into horizontal simply because of the loss of resolution... if I'm given a vertical video in native resolution then really isnt that different, but doesnt fit my 3 monitor wide life very well. ^_^ first world problems. (i dont usually watch videos on my phone)

[@turtles10]

I’m fairly certain KZbin links your viewing habits and matches you with a group of people like you and if they like it you might like it too

[@stevemonkey6666]

Ok.... The point of the videos in the background to this episode became obvious about 1:05 for me 🤔

[@kenyonbryngel]

1:05:00?

[@morbid1.]

I think smart phones should live up to the name and always record full frame and then just made 2 versions, one cropped and one full... it's not rocket science

[@mysticmarbles]

I like this. Maybe add an option to toggle it off incase you want to save hard drive space, but definitely this deserves to be a feature.

[@juneguts]

ppl complaining about this video are missing the point cuz it's in reference to a previous video which couldn't have been uploaded entirely in 9/16

[@tannergregory401]

When does it go live?

[@TheSquawkingbird]

I've also had the algorithm think I'm very interested in something new and recommend a lot on that subject. I've gotten around this by watching single-video-interest content in an incognito window. It seems to work...so far.

[@Danny-hy3yi]

17:40 Brady, I'm assuming you and Tim would have similar viewing habits. The fact that he "stumbled across" the video, then brought it up in your podcast tells me that he thought you would be interested in the video. The algorithm, just like Tim, would know that you might be interested the snooker video. It was probably already recommended before but you paid no attention to it and so forgot it.

[@jquentinburns7581]

24:6 Grey turned on my Alexa.😁

[@russelldavis1359]

A vertical video. Grrrr

[@malice1105]

Pool/snooker vids popped up on my feed days ago - I think they may be trending in the algorithm

[@PixelOverload]

i find when the algorithm gets stuck recommending you a bunch of junk based off that one video you watched, if you simply ignore those recommendations or even decrease youtube usage for a bit your recommends will sort themselves out in a few days i also find that the algorithm definitely takes into considerations the activities of those you subscribe to (and presumably those who subscribe to you). i've noticed often when i get unexpected deviations in my recommends towards content or topics that i haven't expressed interest in (or didn't know much about) that a few days later someone i'm subscribed to puts out a video on that topic, or a collab with this other youtuber who makes that kind of content, or even just a tweet about how they've been watching stuff about that lately. obvious explanation is that yt is seeing them doing research or w/e and assuming "if this user's interested in this creators content, they're probably interested in the content that creator (as a user) is interested in". it wouldn't be hard for this function to extend to friends etc. simply using gmail contact info

[@patrly94]

Aw man, I’d love to stay and join the watch party but I just got to work :(

[@johanna5194]

Great premiere

[@kairon156]

If you explain why your not interested sometimes it'll show you the video it's referencing. I hate vertical videos unless it's of a tree or something, but usually not enough to complain about it. Other than not liking horror or bad B movies. I hated the idea of blare witch project because of the camera holding thing. --- I have a google pixel and the first thing I did as I learned how to use the darn thing was turn off ALL voice listening features. Once in a while a game or program will get confused by this but that just shows me having it turned off is good.

[@brentonborn9857]

If Brady was watching clips of the Johnny Cash snooker movie that's probably why youtube suggested the other snooker video.

[@abcdefghier]

I thought it was pretty obvious at this point that your phone is listening to you...

[@Diddy4957]

I had a weird incident with the phone listenting to you in the last few weeks. I was on holiday with friends from work and a daft joke came up regarding one friend and cocaine (normal friends winding each other up kind of joke). Since I've been home I've had FB "sponsored ads" for cocaine addiction treatment. A gernal one at first, and then another for someone in the city I've moved to for work. Despite my location on fb being my last city. Seems to odd a link to be random.

[@lodevijk]

Brady really fails to use "X and I" as opposed to "X and me" correctly.

[@rustydogg]

i have a theory. near the middle of the podcast, you mentioned a video which youd talked about with a friend appearing in your recommended. im of the firm belief the algorithm identifies certain demographics and figures out which ones you fit into the most. something like a scale, where you can totally be a part of one demographic, but only half another. it then tracks said demographic to see which videos they click on and enjoy, which **also** happens to be what **you** are recommended. so, when you watch one video and get it recommended to you for all of eternity, thats the algorithm associating you with another demographic. any thoughts?

[@j0nthegreat]

Tim Cook's shoes look less like Twinkletoes than Converse All Stars do

[@vasukinadesan4849]

Vertical

[@AppreciateBacon]

Really thought Brady might bring up Bronwyn Bishop in all the talk of the speaker's role. Good recent example from Australia of the speaker being obviously partisan

[@SpacepopeSpeaking]

TIL sled dogs don't get bathroom breaks.

[@Tank23333]

anyone maybe think the Vertical filming was an april fool joke?

[@TomDSilva]

Not watching it live, why is there no sound?

[@TomDSilva]

I get sound on mobile but not on PC (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Edge, IE), odd.

[@PTNLemay]

I hear what Brady is saying... But I still disagree. Only when every screen manufactured gains the ability to easily rotate into portrait mode will I consider vertical video to be socially acceptable. I know this is probably something that the subsequent generations will get used to, and this will mark me as an old man from the 90s. But the only time it's ok is if the video goes directly from a mobile, to other mobiles. When the whole process happens with handheld devices, then vertical can work. But KZbin is still viewed by a lot of people on non-mobile devices.

[@Reoooooooooooooo]

If devices were listening all the time/phoning home when they weren't supposed to, why is it always 'proven' with what could be coincidences or clever algorithm instead of technical solutions like monitoring network traffic, or even taking the thing apart and trying to reverse engineer it.

[@markchang2964]

51:00 love the speaker!

[@PTNLemay]

@Grey It might sound a bit obvious, but if you go into your history and delete the parliament videos, then just ignore all of the ones being recommended to you for a bit, the algorithm will stop suggesting then after a while. I once created a critical mass of cute dog videos by watching one too many, and my recommended feed was nothing but cute dog vids. And sure enough, after deleting the ones in my history, it eventually stopped suggesting them.

[@AlaricXIII]

I'd also question how new the snooker video was. If it was a recent video, it may have come up anyway and the other guy just saw it sooner. Had it been a day later, it would have been less notable. 'Did you see it?' 'Just saw it last night.' Or the more likely answer: EVERYTHING IS LISTENING!

[@inchazon]

Premier doesn't work in Mobile. I need to drop everything that I'm doing to go and get a laptop to watch this?

[@JordanBeagle]

It should work in mobile, or you could just wait till it's released

[@112BALAGE112]

It works in the Android app.

[@CookieAsArrow]

It works, but it's not live yet.

[@MykiiMescal]

Works fine on the iPhone

[@zebbleganubi723]

youtube could really do with a "private session" like spotify has. for now I just open some videos in a private window, aka incognito mode

[@christiandevey3898]

I think you can pause your watch and search history

[@ammo1317]

I am for the big.

[@fennecfoxfanatic]

Hmm i wonder how this is gonna work out

[@nonchalantd]

Brady sounds so much older than Grey.

[@MykiiMescal]

I mean... he’s pointed out a few times he’s got some years on grey

[@hannagh-flops]

Oh god no, why are you doing this to me ... 1:07:00 well fine yah got me

[@baijokull]

Yay, just got the notification.....

[@unequiledhades1926]

on the your friends recommended effect your me and my brother both found the same Spanish guy who bought cop cars and looked through them. we where both 11 and only watch minecraft videos. oh and he had 100 subscribers

[@mysterycowgirlstudio]

5:00 i know notch listens to the show, maybe he could led a hand hehehehe

[@moramento22]

I'TS PRIME MINISTER'S QUESTIONS!!! xD

[@NerfHerdsman]

Yeah nah horizontal correction is as integral as grammar correction. It's a losing battle but the internet needs some accountability. These youtubers trying to get fancy with their "18:9" (it's 2:1 numpties) also need a paddling. I'm

[@adxundead7401]

I am 100% sure my phone youtube was listening to us about a year and a half ago. My wife dusted off our dvd player and binge watched Friends for about 4-5 weeks in our shared living space. I, dislike Friends, 0 interest. Still after a week my homepage was filled with Friends content. I let an auto play slip in. I was tempted to get a new account or something. It was ragefull madness. Re cap: on a dvd plyer not a computer. Phone heard it from afar. Pushed phone youtube content hard. Edit. Re wrote re cap

[@adxundead7401]

Additionally the youtube account on our home computers is my wife's and later on I noticed they linked them. Since our subs overlap by about 75percent I would expect a similar recommendation list. However what makes me certain is that I had took to listening to audio books on my KZbin sometimes finding them and continuing them on on Alice's account. After sometime she would get recommendations of sequels or books in a series only heard on my phone. KZbin IS LISTENING AND GUESSES ALL. With increasing accuracy and user agreement length. Not too bothered yet...

[@jetdaved]

Perhaps Brady you just like snooker videos, and then suddenly there a hugely popular snooker video so the algorithm recommends it to you? The fact it’s timed exactly after your podcast is coincidence but could be believable if the event happened just before you recorded.

[@christiandevey3898]

I think that the devices could be listening, but even if they are, I doubt that the algorithms are sophisticated enough that they would be able to get the specific video that you talked about I'm not an expert however

[@chandrakantsharda3525]

25:00

[@ndubitably]

I understand that after a certain point square area may not mean much. Surely though, just from having to look for apartments at some point in your life you must have come across a studio that was tiny and took note of what that number was and made it a point to ignore listings with less square area?

[@elucidator1277]

59:03 PLEASE, SOMEONE MAKE FAN ART OF "MICKEY" OKAKU. ....dammit Grey. An innocent mistake in the curiosity ad read, but still funny.

[@chandrakantsharda3525]

18:00

[@TheGuyWhoSkisWithPoi]

I found this one a bit thin. I enjoyed it a lot less than normal... but I watched it "live" and participated a bit in the chat. It is a different experience. On ballance, I probably won't do it again

[@kuronosan]

Mickey O'Cockew

[@iGourry]

Either I have drifted further left over the years or Grey and Brady are slowly but surely becoming more and more /r/hailcorporate and I find that trend disconcerting...

[@Frykin]

No Premiere please it's just filling my sub box with nothing to show. Cheers

[@toobusytocreateaname]

Frykin +

[@GonePh1shing]

Honestly, I don't care what aspect ratio you film in. Just don't encode it with black bars...