HIDDEN Achlys Stubber Buffs in Patch 15?! - Darktide

Clickbaity title, I know, but this is important information.
Full list of Achlys changes:
- Faster deploy speed and reduced delay-to-fire after swapping to it
- Faster reload speed
- Reduced spread while braced, even further reduced while crouched
- Improved movement speed while braced
Kickback nerf:
- Minimum pellet count from 16 to 12. Used to 10 before Patch 14, so now in some kind of middle ground. Still oneshots horde enemies at range, but nothing bigger than that.
Also important for Ogryns:
- Bleed damage against Unyielding reduced slightly (so less DPS on bosses)
- Explosions weaker against Monstrosities (sad days for Rumbler)

[@Sledgehammer1944]

Yeah that nuke grenade does around 40% less damage than it did before to Unyielding. Massive nerf

[@ChillAssTurtle]

RIP

[@yourvenparianen5390]

That's all explosive grenades not just for ogryns. Vet kraks also do less

[@swordsinger1061]

Dammit I knew something felt off with it

[@AokiZeto]

wasnt really use for them anyway

[@MaddixCuhming]

Time for da rock now 🗿🪨

[@bonehed1]

I found that even before the update, the Achlys was the best stubber for longevity. It basically never ran out of ammo and got tons of value out of each pickup, so you could use it to clear hordes (very fast I might add) or suppress groups of shooters at a decent distance without feeling like you are wasting ammo. It is by far my favorite stubber because it really gives you that "support machine gunner" feel, almost never needing to use my melee weapon. Seeing these buffs is great, wish they'd document it though lol

[@Khalirei]

Yeah until Fatshark comes out of the blue and says "fixed unintended buffs..." yadda yadda. Then we go back to being annoyed.

[@hankjw_dt]

These changes are intentional, I've playtested them before. Leaving them out of the patch notes is the unintentional part, I'm sure.@@Khalirei

[@MediaevalJames]

I bet a Scavenger Veteran is a big help too.

[@snakeoo7ca]

​@@hankjw_dt This is what the devs at Fatahark do unfortunately: they put unreported features in the game intentionally to "test" it, and then call it a "bug" a month later like it was an oopsies. Same deal with the previous Smite changes

[@hankjw_dt]

@@snakeoo7ca like I said, I'm a playtester for the game. I personally played and approved these changes before.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Appreciate the detail without wasting half the video on just dragging everything out. Short sweet n to the point, i learned what i wanted to and a bit more and i am happy. Thank you brother

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

I guess the Achlys is the Ogryn-sized SMG it was supposed to be.

[@l.e.b.3541]

With the flamestacks on ult, it becomes a beast against a bullwark group. It almost feels like the zealot flamer of old days.

[@chilicookoff2017]

This is great to hear, ive been trying really hard to like this gun because of the fastest dakka output but its terrible accuracy paired with how many gunners started showing up in recent patches(only been playing auric maelstrom and damnation), made it so even shotguns were a better option at taking them out at longer ranges. Because of this I havent even tried it since the most recent update, been only rocking the gorgonzola. Seems like its in a great place now and I cant wait to try it out again after getting off work. On a side note, while the fire rates and damage profiles of stubbers are different i wish we had more differences between them. Make the gorgonzolas base firerate a little slower still, but make it so it increases firerate during continuous fire, to cement its biggest dps and anti armor role. Increase the base spread of base stubber a little, continous fire would tighten its spread instead of increasing it, making it almost pinpoint accurate when reaching current max spread,so it has its identity as a long range powerhouse. They could even add these two modifiers as blessings on all stubbers down the line

[@paladinwiggles7896]

As yes, the light heavy stubber, an ogryn classic.

[@mcclein1]

Ogryns now know how to swap magazines like Jhon Wick.

[@Ryangubbs]

Thanks for the information Hank. Tempted to try the Achlys for sure.

[@Nezyrael]

Ty sir will try that out with the burn ult, looks promising

[@linearparadox9409]

Thank you so much for this, very helpful. I'd permanently sidelined the Achleys because of its awful, AWFUL spread pattern that rendered it useless as an actual RANGED weapon beyond melee distance lol. With these new buffs, it now offers exactly what I want in a ranged option for my Ogey; Accuracy and a snappy response. I'm actually going to get roll one of these up right now. Also, thank you for confirming that my Kickback was nerfed, I thought I was going nuts with some kinda bad luck that stuff wasn't dying. But I was certain my "soup cannon" wasn't turning heretics to soup as effectively as before 😆 Ah well, I'll miss it but, I have to admit it was rather absurdly overturned before :/ At least it's still strong enough to use and wasn't over-nerfed.

[@samfish2550]

I've loved both guns for a good while now and the recent love to both makes me very happy. The ammo wasn't touched on kickback which is very appreciated, and oh boy these Achyles buffs.... Haven't played them since schools getting close to finals and several big projects are due but.... Like so long as the old rage was something you could tolerate it was great with the right build and stacked beautifully with the different abilities on the gunlugger abilities due to the sheer amount of bullets for burn stacks and DPS potential when you removed the whole "armor" issue with the rend option..... That and I got a near god rolled one at orange rarety with blaze away and the power on 4 single target hit blessing like the second I hit lv 30 l. Basically I was definitely eating well with it as my best roll and considering that gorgonzola just..... Isn't ever a decent roll for me for some reason so yeah..... I am a bit biased to it, also these buffs make me extra happy as a result of this.

[@Xeptar]

Glad to know it got some buffs. I pulled a nice achlys stubber some time ago, but felt disappointed by the performance of it. Hopefully this turns out to be just as good alternative as the gorgonum now

[@AndyAttrition]

Thanks for the infos!

[@restorationofidentity]

Ahhhh another true Ogryn fan. Love the channel. We got to support the ogryn

[@Akrilloth]

This thing is a blast to use now, just feels so good to use, so i take it for a spin whenever i want to change it up from the Gorgonum, which is still my favorite due to the sheer punch, but at least the achlys is a good alternative now, focusing on mobility and horde clear, while the gorgonum stays the same "i dislike everything in this direction" gun.

[@AposentadoriaPlanejada]

Very Very Nice bro... I always was a "gorgonum ALL the way" Ogryn, BUT, after your vídeo, Will give this light stubber a try... TKS man

[@zyme4305]

The Rumbler also doesn't stagger monstrosities like it used to. Also unlisted in the patch notes, although I'm not sure if this is a change to the weapon or as a result of the changes to explosive damage to monstrosities.

[@linearparadox9409]

Wow that sucks. I have an Adhesive Chage, Blaze Away, 25% Unyeilding Rumbler I brought along when I "didn't feel like dealing with bosses" for that run lol. Absolutely trivialized bosses, but at the expense of severely limiting my ability to deal with specials and shooters. If it doesn't wipe bosses anymore... I'm not sure what it's use is now. Just a low damage stagger spam for human-sized enemies? :/

[@samfish2550]

Dang I never even got to try that because the game REFUSES to give me the sticky nade blessing. Probably still preforms well enough damage wise since you can still get... (20% rending on direct hit blessing + 5% rend base + 15% rend elite kill + 25% dmg mod for you and your team) - maybe your best option since it's still very high rend potential at near or over 100% even without the elite buff with a damage mod from your taunt giving the ability to go beyond rend boost + clumping up holds and specials for better damage distribution. Or (20% rend on direct hit plus 30% rend on it or up to 15% power on ult IF point blank effects blast damage) - biggest boon here is that if you can stagger bully bosses at all in the current patch you're only chance is with 70% faster reload speed, also you have full control over your rend, though it's kind of overkill, so id honestly go for the higher close range damage depending on how it interacts with the delayed blast. You do trade efficiency for DPS no matter what you go with here over taunt.

[@loafofbread9400]

​@@linearparadox9409ive been runnijg rumbler in damnation maelstorm with monstroitious and its fine, the weapon was already one of the best i havent felt much of a differnce

[@loafofbread9400]

​@@samfish2550nah dont listen to comment its still amazing, ive used it in alot of runs this patch and ogryn with rumbler still bullies bosses

[@SuperCatacata]

@@loafofbread9400 From what I'm hearing explosion damage is 40% less on bosses and reapers... That's not a small nerf to it's DPS by any means.

[@stanislavlitvin1983]

Oh God-Emperor, I want this Kickback skin sooo bad.

[@blackhawk6530]

Good video, clear explanation

[@IvanBlimince]

They just posted this in the Hotfix Notes today.

[@hankjw_dt]

Fatshark posted the Achlys changes themselves now, and a few hours later the Kickback nerf was also listed! forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179

[@MrLyramion]

Also the Charmed Reload Blessing's numbers were cut in half a while ago but the description never updated.

[@gregorgilbert6972]

My favourite stubber before these buffs!

[@SuperCatacata]

Went from meh to amazing. Now the middle child needs some love.

[@emreask529]

My boy doesn't have a lick of plasteel, true dt player.

[@EvilPineappl]

You could always do that quick deploy trick. That's the reason I used the Achlys

[@chilicookoff2017]

They just released the missing patchnotes, and weirdly enough the stubber buffs were listed but kickback nerf still wasnt

[@samfish2550]

I wonder if you can get to faster than walking speed while braced with get stuck in, plus the speed boost on ranged kill, plus the braced movement speed buff on close range barrage, plus roaring advanced....... That's lots of potential buffs to add onto something with decent speed and might make you efficient enough to really just prioritize unarmored and infested dmg buffs and bring mkIV cleaver, mk1 club, or powermaul for flack/carapace coverage.

[@youcancallmecurt9711]

it's hard to keep up with all the different weapon balancing that they do. by the time i finally have a good roll on a weapon that fills a certain niche, they either nerf it or buff something else to be better. for example, the kickback went from being a meme weapon to being a very strong pick, and now it's hard to determine if it's still worth using or if something like the achlys will feel better. ik its all pretty subjective, but build videos and "meta" picks always feel like a good place to start.

[@Xariann]

Thank you for this.

[@gustavosanches3454]

This is what some of these guns need, theres this very weird inexplicable delay between clicking and actually firing the gun that made ogryn heavy stubbas insufferable to use, the same happens with the veteran's Plasma gun.

[@j.am501]

it's because it's a giant open bolt machine gun. still doesnt feel good

[@gustavosanches3454]

@@j.am501 >using supposed real life reasons as to why a fantasy videogame gun is bad to use like, seriously?

[@shitongoogle1132]

Plasma is a charge up weapon, the delay is intended. If you want one ready to go, precharge it with right mouse.

[@j.am501]

you said it's inexplicable, which it isn't. there is lore about stubbers, they are open bolt machineguns. you can even see the bolt close in game. it does feel bad though i agree@@gustavosanches3454

[@robertfancyman3873]

Ooo, yay, my favourite gun got buffed!

[@ty8012]

these changes were def listed because i remember hoppingo on the game to simply try it out becuase i read it on thier patch notes but good vid nonethless

[@FireAnt]

Originaly only removal of brace fire delay was listed but then they listed the full set in a following hotfix.

[@Deltaguy447]

Sah! Great video, sah!

[@MasterChees117]

Good to see Fat Shart improved my favorite gun

[@Kati_Gory]

i always dismissed this stubber because of lower damage, accuracy and the lack of consistent TTK for enemies but now it looks solid so the two main stubbers have actually purposes. i already have a crit, crit bullet load fast stubber in case it ever got a buff to be decent. now all i need is a vet with ammo refill so i keep maximize my dakka

[@Pizza_is_old]

congrats on writing Fatshark's patchnotes for them

[@mwnciboo]

I'd love a single barrel stubber, like ALIENS smart gun, slower fire rate, belt fed, more precise but slow reload. Maybe 100 round belt - Possibly even a 40mm Autocannon with 15 round cylinder mags.

[@snowythepenguin4661]

I noticed that u use 5% crit chance perk, so if you don't play charmed relaod wouldn't 25% flak dmg be better?

[@Pinoisreadingabook]

this channel is cool

[@Baldrekr]

Can you talk about perks on the Achyls? e.g. why +5% crit chance + Maniac vs Maniac+Flak vs Maniac+Unarmored

[@thefiend8380]

Maniacs are ragers(both types), mutants, both scab and toxic flamers, trappers. Flak armor is most common type of armored enemy in the game and make up the majority of shooters, maulers and scab ragers. Crit chance bc if you run charmed reload everytime you crit you get bullets from your reserved put directly into your gun which allows you to shoot longer and deal more damage before needing to reload.

[@FireAnt]

@@thefiend8380 Scab Rager is actually all Flak and has not a single Maniac DMG zone. Crit Chance is not a must, Flak is actually better for reliability, DMG wise, but Crit Chance for Stubbers work with way higher effeciency simply due to Stubbers Crit Chance Chain mechanic, where when a shot triggers a crit it will have 6 crits shots in a row with 5 of them not being treated as crit for rolling the pRNG for fetching crits. Making a small Crit Chance actually make Stubbs crit relatively often. Easy to test in the grinder against a Crusher.

[@arimakocashe8181]

I’ve always been an Achlys user. I basically only use the Achlys for Gun lugger and I noticed it felt way more accurate when braced, crouched and stationary. Than before. Glad my baby has been given some love. Eat shit Gorgo ☝️🤓 “it’s always better” users :P

[@tomt7986]

I kinda like the kickback nerf, maybe ill finally try a different gun for my ogryn

[@aspiringchampion5783]

what about the bayonet on the charge lasgun, its so strong now, i hardly swap to my sword anymore, the light charge lasgun has the most damaging bayonet, the medium is still good, but the heavy one is the lowest damaging one, have a look at that, its changed my Vet's fighting style

[@DarkwaterV2]

Off-topic, maar complimenten voor je accent! On-topic: it seems disingenuous to not put nerfs in patch notes. :/

[@hankjw_dt]

Dankjewel! Regarding the patch notes, I'm sure this was a mistake on their end and not intentional. They also left out all of the Achlys buffs, lol

[@luuviitonen9919]

Freaking pissed off that they nerfed the kickback. It was pefect damage breakpoint wise on damnation difficulty and now they rolled it back so that it's only useful for knocking enemies on their arse. Nobody used kickback anyways prior patch 14 and now it goes back to the trashbin.

[@flipsvstheworld]

Stil waiting for Botler and Plasma gun to get that ready and reload speed buff.

[@OhLookItsTekona]

the plasma gun readies pretty fast already no? it just has a fire delay. the bolter however... really needs a ready buff.

[@flipsvstheworld]

@@OhLookItsTekona Yeah actually the plasma readies fast enough. But, the charged delay is minute while the reload speed is atrocious. Still ass like the Bolter tho

[@OhLookItsTekona]

@@flipsvstheworld i think you're underselling the plasma gun a bit. You rarely have to reload considering half it's ammo pool is the magazine, and the basic left click is actually REALLY good. I use the Plasma a lot and I rarely ever charge shots. The new Weapons Specialist also makes it so you practically never have to reload the Plasma. It becomes a chunky revolver for the veteran.

[@flipsvstheworld]

@@OhLookItsTekona I wasn't referring to the alternate fire charge. Just the miniscule charge the primary fire has for every shot. It's a big deal in Hersey and higher difficulties when compared to my recon lasgun that just melt elites and specials in half the time. And is string enough to dps bosses. Bolters and plasma guns just feel clunky rather then chunky with okay-ish payoff and reliability.

[@OhLookItsTekona]

​@@flipsvstheworld I play exclusively on Auric, and I can assure you the Plasma isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The delay on basic shots is not that bad at all. Unless you got a super low charge time roll. With max charge time roll, it's a 0.6s delay before firing, but in trade you get a shot that has a FAT hitbox (very forgiving for sloppy aim), 2-taps every elite/special, has a ludicrous amount of cleave, has a destructive amount of stagger, and to top it all off it a has super high suppression value. The Plasma gun is also unaffected by enemy suppressing fire, since it's all hipfire. The 0.6s trigger delay hardly matters when everything you're shooting in the general direction of either dies or is CC'd. Also the cleave lets you get to ANY special or elite that's hiding behind a horde, no more body blocking from enemies. Crushers, Maulers, Bulwarks become as good as fodder due to the sheer amount of stagger and damage being pumped into their face. It's a great weapon, but the only major downside I could give it is the ammo usage. You can't run it as a "sole" primary, but if you run Scavenger and use your melee frequently, the thing is a beast in your pocket. Sorry for the essay lol. tl;dr, the plasma gun is awesome, i just think it requires a different playstyle. I play a lot of revolver on my other characters, and this thing is basically a huge revolver on steroids for the veteran. it's super nice to just quickdraw, blast something out of existence, and switch back to melee.

[@Roscoe921]

I gotta craft an Achlys

[@tianxiu]

It is not really "hidden", it said in the patch note, Achlys swap and fire delay become zero (I remember I saw that somewhere in the Patch15). I know I know, many players don't read notes and require someone to show it to them. I still love the G-gun, for its crazy knockdown/stagger, and pennatration against horde. The new A-gun also great, be able to whip it out and start blasting is priceless. They together do make their middle brother, the K-gun, looks so bad. P.S. The big guy finally got his big boy PDW/Assault Rifle. P.S.S. Seem like another great choice for a melee heavy build Ogryn, beside Kickback, auto-shotgun.

[@darkdwarf007]

Brother, in the recent hotfix they literally say that they missed some things from the patch notes

[@hankjw_dt]

That change was removed from the patch notes entirely after a few hours (for some reason) and none of the other buffs were listed. About 6h after I made my video Fatshark added the missing notes for the Achlys to their Hotfix update post.

[@tianxiu]

@@darkdwarf007 on the Patch 15 Note has this line: "[*]Achlys Mk VII Twin-Linked Heavy Stubber: decreased time to fire first shot from 0.22s to 0s". (maybe it was removed later and added again later; I don't know, but I saw this on the patch day) That is it; the wording is so vague. But that is how I went to test out the weapon myself and found all the changes. That is why I said no one reads notes anymore, and it requires someone like Han to spell things for them. I am not discouraging Han, but quite the opposite.

[@tianxiu]

@@hankjw_dt sneaky FatShark being sneaky once again, and again, and again lol.

[@arlomiedema4255]

rlly noice vid 🧗

[@rena4133]

Yea just noticed that instead of 2 kickback long range shots to take a bomber it takes 3 or even 4 lol

[@dannylew8299]

abhuman stands for a better human!

[@lordvess6214]

I disagree on ditching charmed reload. Obviously build how you want but its just such a fun blessing that makes the achlys a romp when in hi-intensity engagements. It also pairs great with point blank barrage and can stack some serious damage with blaze away.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Not the buff i wanted but welcoming nonetheless. Also pls give the krourk something...

[@restorationofidentity]

These nerfs are overkill, makes playing Auric levels a joke. Lol

[@kordova2182]

The Ogryn was in a good place right after patch 14. Now they are meh again. It just sucks because Ogryn should be buffed with how slow they are.

[@restorationofidentity]

@kordova2182 I agree dude ogryn is my first go to class. Keeps th team alive, hold the line. They will hopefully rebuff him again and again. Difficult, I guess, for fatshark to find that balance. 😕

[@dwarfking2266]

This is messed up 😞

[@armintor2826]

I knew i wasnt insane, the Achlys felt tons better after the patch. I used to hate using stubbers but now that the Achlys doesnt have to expend 200 rounds to kill a single gunner at any range outside of melee its ACTUALLY ENJOYABLE????? Wild stuff. Great patch.

[@gabenplznerf1093]

Damnit I just deleted my Achlyes and gave up on it.

[@scuchtern4849]

Lol 😂 so the gunner become even more useless 🤣 smh

[@GrondGrondGrondGrond]

What do you even mean?

[@jiggamanog]

Also the rumbler has been nerfed quite significantly

[@jiggamanog]

Wow also MK III cleaver feels much stronger. With my talent tree I can take out Crushers in 3 heavy hits on Heresy.