DELPHI TRIAL DAY 12: Jailhouse Audio Confessions

[@TSUNAMI-MAMI]

Anyone slandering the girls families needs to be blocked permanently. It is unacceptable behavior.

[@jamescope4831]

Amen to that!

[@juliesimko3656]

That makes me the most angry 😡 I wonder how they would feel if it were their family

[@caroline-s]

I agree!

[@steppy3736]

@TSUNAMI-MAMI While I agree with you, the sad reality is that in cases of children being killed, it's usually a family member or someone close to the family.

[@beachfly8066]

@@steppy3736and often the last person to be with them

[@wajohnson3208]

As a practicing attorney who went to law school in Indiana, I cannot thank you enough for your reporting. While you took a break I attempted to watch others, but they were either off-base or overly biased. Thank you for your hard work and sacrifices bringing us quality work and reporting!!

[@itsme-os1jb]

Are you a practicing defense attorney in the state?

[@ImAshlynMars]

Yea tried to watch others as well and one even cried bc she was thinking about her own husband while listening to the phone calls 🤦🏽‍♀️ what? Thats not what this is about!

[@debinindiana]

@@ImAshlynMarsshe lost her husband this past year due to illness. Show compassion please, you don’t know what others have been through.

[@mothersgauri4137]

Absolutely agree. It is SO helpful to hear all of this as a factual statement of the information without all the speculations and discussions about theories. This is so responsible and professional and in my mind it is the best..👍

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you! I respect your profession. My two siblings, dad, and father in law are/were attorneys. Thank you for your work.

[@sandraott7763]

Wonderful job Lauren! Please don’t apologize for being human and needing time to rest and be with your family. You have sacrificed a lot to cover this trial.

[@glenf6639]

@@sandraott7763 Agreed. I have always enjoyed and respected Lauren and Dr. John. I do wish that she was able to be there for the defense case as well though but we are all human and have needs and limits. I suppose even a charged person would also have limits.

[@TheBellaMoretti]

Thank you, Lauren, for reporting FACTS and not falling into the sensationalism of doing this for likes and clicks - you are a real journalist, not a ‘content-creator’.

[@heavenj7]

Yes this!! 👏

[@BrandyinIndy]

Yes, Lauren’s authentic character and style is what has attracted the huge following she has.

[@With_a_Grain_of_Salt]

I would say she is a journalist AND a content-creator.

[@dianayount2122]

went to gray hughes for the timeline. Ended up going thru some of his other videos. He made several observations but the one that has made me really wonder was RA said he ran into the 3 girls. Remember he changed the time he visited the park to an earlier time. The oldest girl, (actually were 4 girls total) contacted police about a man they saw on the path. At the same place RA said he saw the girls. The time she reported that she saw him was later, consistent with his first self-report to the police. She saw him. He saw them. He changed his time to not be bridge guy.

[@celticwarrior777]

Oooo

[@Sunnshinne35281]

Same as the older woman who walked three laps around the trails. She stopped to use the restroom at the library and then finished her third lap. She saw BG on her last lap. They have her Fitbit info which confirms timeline. His own timeline that he originally offered to LE is corroborated by all the witnesses at the trails, the van timeline, and Libby’s own phone movements changing direction after the van passed…

[@elizarob666]

Exactly

[@1014-m6s]

@@Sunnshinne35281and the fact that he later changed the time is consciousness of guilt and the rationale ability to understand the facts of the case.

[@OpalineAndTheBean]

He also changed his appearance after..shaved his head..grew a very long goatee..then after arrest..losing so much weight (I think he was starving himself) making himself look so much different than BG (imo)

[@Toxictink]

1. He lied at the beginning and said he had his phone, turns out he didn’t have it or it was off. 2. He lied about not having a gun in the beginning, turns out he DID have a gun. 3. He identified the van that only the killer would know. These facts brought to light are making me lean more towards guilty.

[@chelseawhittaker]

The van, lol. No make, no model, no color, wow, how detailed 😂

[@jeanie8831]

​@@chelseawhittakerWill the jury want to know more than the color and that it was parked near the crime scene at the residence of the van owner?

[@chelseawhittaker]

@@jeanie8831 given that this is THE detail the state is relying on to prove the voracity of the confession, if I were on the jury, I would certainly expect more detail versus a generic “I saw a van.”

[@shelainethomason1610]

I would like to thank both Lauren and Dr. John for bringing this information to us. You both are making many sacrifices in order for this to take place.

[@sierramahina9064]

No hate to any other true crime news sources but I listened to another one in your absence earlier today and I was definitely missing Lauren style of reporting. So much more calm and thorough. I’d rather tune in to an hour + here than 10-20 mins somewhere else.

[@heavenj7]

So true! Many are hysterical almost when giving the “news”. This literally feels educational

[@sierramahina9064]

@ I won’t say who or what channel I listened to. But I listen to Hidden True Crime all the time, all sorts of cases and never get second hand anxiety while doing so, until today. I was anxious listening to the reporter try to speak with unnecessary urgency, that news caster tone and cadence! I had to turn it off. They could get the defense and the state right either. Lol

[@Fignewtonjohn]

Same here I don't like the others they are all biased and turned it into a Richard Allen fan club for their own profit but their viewers don't seem to realize that.

[@coll4455]

Same

[@tigerlily8117]

​@@Fignewtonjohn Exactly. They don't want to lose those subs and likes and viewer counts!

[@Julei_]

I am so glad to find one person covering this case besides Gray that just sticks to the facts & common sense rather than bending over backward to push a narrative that doesn't match the evidence. Thank you so much!

[@TeeJayNZ]

💯💯

[@ferrari251]

WTHR has amazing, clear, and unbiased reporting every day. I watch this channel and theirs. There are things that are covered differently so you can get a very clear picture.

[@Thecrimesleeper]

The point I was trying to make is: 1. Allen confirms seeing a van. 2. Data shows Libby’s phone moving at that time, verifying his story even further.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

YES!

[@steppy3736]

​@HiddenTrueCrime let's ask you again when you've been sleep deprived for 13 months. You couldn't handle being sleep deprived for two weeks.

[@Maryhadabiglamb]

@@steppy3736shut the door on your way out

[@LalaWest]

@steppy3736 needs to step 1 more time!!😂

[@steppy3736]

@LalaWest clever. How did you manage to come up with that all by yourself *Lala*land

[@MisplacedPixie]

This coverage of the trial has been PHENOMENAL considering the difficulties imposed by the court!! Thank you so much for your hard work and that done by others willing to share! (And by the way I have mad RESPECT for taking out time for family and making sure your kiddos didn't miss out on Halloween. Family first always)

[@Karina-qd6ri]

I have to say Lauren I've followed HTC since it was an egg. I've followed this case since it happened. I've watched most KZbinrs coverage of this trial. Yours is the most non biased. You state the facts, you don't attack the state or the defence. You just let us draw our own conclusions from the evidence you bring. I'm watching from the UK, and want to thank you and your team for all the hard work. Thankyou to John and your son who must miss you like crazy when you attend these trials. So glad you do. Great job 👍👏

[@ElevateYourExistence8979]

She doesn't attack the state or defence because she doesn't have a legal background. She is reading just like every other average jo

[@elizabethgregory]

This!!

[@elizabethgregory]

​@@ElevateYourExistence8979really? I mean she could. She's a journalist and I'm sure has followed her fair share of cases. The point is that SHES NOT! I'm sure you're following those that are!

[@annakariol]

@@ElevateYourExistence8979 That is why she's unbiased. She's reading what she hears in court which is why I listen to hers. I don't need a lawyer's version because depending on their specialty, they ARE BIASED. So, what's your point in commenting?

[@annakariol]

@@ElevateYourExistence8979 I have a degree in communications and journalism from back in 1991 and we were taught to share the facts. It's called the fact pyramid of journalism. Look it up. Today, there are very few true journalists. What you're talking about is color commentary and editorials. That is not why journalism came to be. Sadly, we don't have more people like her who share what is happening, not their version of why, how, etc. I also respect the fact that you don't agree with her style. My suggestion is that you watch what you like and take some time and learn the history of journalism and why it's important to have journalists who share the facts of what is being presented, not their feelings. She did get a bit editorial on the last video, but she corrected herself on this one and I respect her for that.

[@tigerlily8117]

I love Lauren's coverage of this trial so much. I greatly prefer this "just the facts" style vs. sensationalism. This is like sitting directly in the courtroom and I appreciate that.

[@dianacairns843]

Me too! x

[@jenniferbossert2088]

I’m new here and I can believe I haven’t followed you sooner. I’m a Murder Sheet devotee 😆 Your information is top notch and I really appreciate all the things you’re bringing. I’ve followed this case since 2017 and my brain has been overloaded for years. Finally all the pieces of the puzzle are fitting into place.

[@kristacameron7039]

Thank you for reporting the facts completely impartial and unbiased.

[@honorleannelothamer9144]

Thanks!

[@juliesimko3656]

You look so well rested tonight, Lauren! Much deserved! ❤

[@hutch73]

Glad I found your channel early on in the trial. I appreciate your straight forward reporting and will be interested to hear your thoughts once it’s over.

[@kathylapointe5899]

Lauren, thank you so much for what you’re doing. I live in Lafayette but are finding out so many details just by watching you!!! I can see, at times, this gets to you. Usually the communication between RA and KA. It can’t be easy but hang in there, you’re amazing!

[@sierravanexem4990]

You’re so good at reporting. Thank you for pushing through. You’re strong and smart. Hope you know how much people look up and appreciate you.

[@laurieclarkson9180]

I agree with someone from the chat..he feels like he's losing his mind because he keeps telling his wife what he did and she keeps saying "No you didn't" She keeps treating him like a delusional child and he's not!

[@jessyjeantruecrime]

Exactly! Sometimes the only thing stronger than love is a loved ones DENIAL.

[@queenbeedat8726]

I disagree....how well does your spouse know you ??????

[@OztheRue]

​@queenbeedat8726 she probably was in denial

[@Em-df4ww]

@@laurieclarkson9180 If RA a psychopath he is narcissistic and has messed with his spouse's head in a myriad of ways the duration of their marriage. Can psychopaths have other mental issues such as depression and anxiety? Heck yes.

[@jenniferruth812]

Why do people think that psychosis lends itself to truth-telling? He began ‘confessing’ literally the day he was diagnosed w psychosis. The day before that he was eating his own feces. And his ‘confession’ was, ‘What if I did it?’ ‘I think I did it.’. I wouldn’t have made it 5 months in the same torture he was going through. I’d have lost my mind well before. There’s a reason Westville prison was successfully sued for 8th amendment violations & is being shut down. There’s a reason the DoC doesn’t allow even convicted prisoners to be in solitary confinement for longer than 30 days at a time. It’s literal torture. I have no hope in our justice system or the public anymore. This nation wants blood, not justice.

[@JillKelly-yu5vm]

Im a new suscriber and you are fantastic, Lauren! Fascinating trial and your meticulous coverage and notes are almost as good as a camera! You are a gifted journalist and speaker.

[@bonnieschoenemandilley3416]

Watching recording! Thank you Lauren for your excellent balanced reporting of this trial. You put your heart and soul into everything you do! With love and appreciation Bonnie

[@Needtokknow]

Great work, Lauren! 1000% agree with you in RA! I think evidence points to his guilt. The confessions are overwhelming.

[@habituallinestepper8839]

Agreed

[@With_a_Grain_of_Salt]

It must have been so hard to leave. I’m glad you were able to prioritize yourself/ your family. Knowing how important Halloween is for your child and making big decisions with that in mind is admirable. Also, I’m also impressed with your professionalism and finding a way to still cover the trial. I know you say it is a group effort, and it is. You have earned their friendship/ collaboration and cultivated that group. That made your plan possible.

[@HeidiFredFab]

I agree! I came to chat to say the same thing but can’t say it better than you did! 😊

[@tinyspyder]

Folks are supper snarky on this case! I am amazed how rude folks can be to people who are giving them something they want. Don't let the haters get to you. I would have lost it on some folks by now, lol. You are doing an amazing job, and 99.9% of us appreciate it.

[@colleenclaussen2994]

It is so refreshing to get an unbiased view of the trial! Thank you Lauren

[@glenf6639]

@@colleenclaussen2994as we sit today without hearing the defense side are you open to his innocence?

[@1014-m6s]

@@glenf6639 Sounds like you think an unbiased presentation of the trial reflects his guilt.

[@melissafeagins264]

Thanks for what you are doing, Lauren.

[@justicejane2429]

@Lauren, what you are doing is a crucial purpose for humankind and their families need to hear the truth. May Abby and Libby get the Justice deserve.

[@Casso_Wary]

She literally is the dalaï-lama and Mandela combined, wonderful person she is

[@bobbyprince7767]

❤

[@bene6532]

Yes, justice for Abby and Libby.. Hopefully the real killer(s) will be brought to real justice one day.

[@enick7955]

Waiting for the guilty verdict.

[@MarissaMonroe-t8s]

Justice isn’t convicting an innocent man!!!

[@shirlysmilesmusic6919]

Thank you for bringing us the info. You are doing a great job. You have a family too and a life. So thanks for all you do.

[@ynp1978]

The confessions,the bullet,him placing himself at the scene during the first interview in 2017,wearing clothing matching "bridge guy",the witnesses saying yes the guy in Libby's video is the guy they saw on the trail, and lastly the white van he knew about driving on the private drive.....the only logical conclusion is that he killed them. Also I worked in Corrections for 22 years....and for anyone thinking the I.D.O.C. somehow had him make all those confessions.....that is just crazy in and of itself....and quite frankly disrespectful to all the fine Women and Men working there.

[@heavenj7]

I was watching Plunder today she has videos from Karen’s old FB Act. Where you could see him walk a bit and talk. These were the months after the murders but before he was caught. And I’ve never seen a man look soooo miserable! Every video his wife took? He look dismal and annoyed and paranoid. Interesting watch! And I agree with you. I also think it was the safest place for him!

[@pennyroyal-tea]

Thank you for your comment. The solitary confinement nonsense is out of hand-and just simply dishonest.

[@brandyl2183]

@@heavenj7Yes. He is a miserable man before and after the murders. He’s a tortured soul that needed to confess. If he beats this rap I still think he will off himself eventually.

[@normagrimstad8869]

I agree.

[@nodles9161]

He confessed to many unrelated and verifiably false things. He was psychotic. The doctors had him on anti psychotic drugs. He was eating his own feces. He claimed to have killed his own grandchildren that don't exist. He was in solitary for 13 months with lights on 24/7, inmates screaming "baby killer" at him. He had his discovery. And he had been told by police that the cartridge was 100% matched to his gun. This is false. The science itself is controversial. Even if you believe it, the expert herself confirmed that other firearms could match the cartridge and she doesn't know how accurate her testing was. In fact, she cycled cartridges through his gun and couldn't get a match. She had to fire his weapon and compare a fired casing to an unspent cartridge to make it "match". You're right, the witnesses said they guy they saw was "bridge guy" but they didn't say bridge guy was Richard Allen. None of their descriptions match Richard Allen. The van would've driven by around 2:30, which is AFTER the last movement of the girls phone and prosecution believe they are gone when that phone stops moving, and the defense has hinted at having evidence that puts the van at the scene even later than the prosecution claim, but the prosecutions claim still doesn't fit with their own time line. No one believes they "made him" confess. They violated their own guidelines keeping him in solitary for more than 30 days and it is well known that this causes psychological issues, he already had a history of mental Illness, and that action put him into psychosis which made him confess to numerous verifiably false things.

[@malinoscarsson9362]

He confesses to Kathy over and over and over again. He asks her "Will you still be there for me?" She says "Yes". He asks "Do what?" and she replies "This isn't right, they've messed you up so bad". "Will you always love me no matter what?" She replies "Yes, please stop talking". He is desperateley looking for reassurence that she'll be there for him, even after what he's done. She says "yes" but then, every time, she brushes his confessions off. That's why he keeps going, realising that she's saying "yes" in a rhetorical and hypothetical way to comfort him, and that she's not actually listening to him. She can say "yes" all day long but it doesn't mean anything when she refuses to accept his confessions. That's how we got to 60+ of them. This is what he wanted: "I did it, I killed them" and for her to reply "It's ok, I still love you". But he's not getting it. The fact that she says "you could never do that" only makes it worse. Cause that's the person she loves, the man who could never do something like that. And he knows that's not him.

[@tinkere7243]

Hope you were able to rest. Your coverage is outstanding.

[@patriciadietrich667]

Thank you for bringing this trial to the public

[@colleenarmes3110]

I don’t know who committed this horrible crime, I just can’t get over that it took 5 years of him being in plain sight and no one said, hey what about the guy at CVS

[@carlzmossberg5438]

I'm glad you took time for yourself to rest! You are doing such an amazing job with this trial.

[@truthsticks5900]

I pray the jurors have a common sense mind

[@Mystlyn26]

Thank you Lauren for bringing the notes to us. I appreciate the time and energy you are putting into this case.

[@sheilaanderson8164]

Your channel is the only one I watch. complete professionalism thank you Lauren for everything♥️

[@bonnieschoenemandilley3416]

Agree 100%

[@jessyjeantruecrime]

The fact that he confesses to trekking the girls across the creek AFTER he halted his initial attack (when he saw the van) explains perfectly why the male DNA was too diluted to get a difinitive ID. It's so sad that this predator was trying so hard to confess, yet his wife was set in denial - wanting to save face & ashamed of how it'd make her look. And his lawyers of course had nothing to gain by allowing him to plea & confess like he was trying so hard to do! Kathy Allen, embarassed, & the fame hungry defense team, chasing a book embarrassed,? THAT is who "drove him crazy", if anyone. He was found NOT to be psychotic at time of confessions. Also, he recieved special treatment in that prison, not torture. He was spoiled & given more attention than any inmate in the entire center. Duh. Thank you Lauren for absolutely busting a**. You're an inspiration to work hard & to fight to get the word out! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@malinoscarsson9362]

​​@@cherylemaybury9967 What about the female DNA? You're suggesting BG was a woman? Does the female DNA make RA look less innocent to you? Does it mean all the other evidence is incorrect, that he in fact wasn't on that platform on that day at the time he said he was, where he was seen by a witness shortly before the girls got to the bridge? There was female DNA too, let this man go!😂

[@Juliet-vu1hv]

Your are the best Lauren! I appreciate all you do! Am so happy you had time with your son and Dr . John making memories! 💙🩵💚💖

[@bonnieschoenemandilley3416]

Ditto

[@bonnieschoenemandilley3416]

If there were Emmy Awards or Oscar's for podcasters for excellence in most professional balanced reporting of true crime HTC Lauren and John Matthias are the 🏆 winners❤

[@marilyn8225]

I can't thank Lauren enough for reporting on this case. Thanks for all the hard work you put in.

[@mil3276]

The constant denial from his wife is intense, how do you find the truth this way.

[@TazDevil7009]

The police didn't know that Brad Webber drove a white van until AFTER RA mentioned a van. So the psychologist couldn't have read about a white van.

[@RachelDeal2024]

Exactly!!! But all these people want us to believe it was also in the discovery it’s so annoying that they refuse to acknowledge he said stuff that he knew his self and not something someone spoon fed him!!!!!

[@flickyt4709]

​@rachelldeal3964 so much sympathy for a double child murderer makes no fkn sense

[@papabear2515]

Wrong! RA talked of the van AFTER he was given discovery while in prison …. While being tortured and drugged

[@TazDevil7009]

@papabear2515 The officer just testified that there was no mention of a white van in discovery and that he went back and questioned the people who lived on the property re what cars they drove ... 36.35

[@malinoscarsson9362]

​@@papabear2515 Why are you not listening to what's being said during the testimony? There was no mention of a white van in the discovery. Why do you refuse to take in any information?

[@AnotherJennifer-a183]

Solitary confinement doesn't usually mean zero contact, just limited meaningful contact

[@Haven_OG]

Richard Allen was not in solitary confinement, he was given a TV, tablet, rec time, and psychological help daily, 700+ phone calls. His behavior was awful, breaking his tablet, threatening police, pooping everywhere (imagine being the one to clean that cell) disobeying law enforcement to the point of being tased. He was not tortured, this isn't a third-world country, his fingers and toes are there, his nails are there, he wasn't waterlogged, and he was treated above and beyond while in prison. People's actions have consequences. Stop blaming the victim's families, they are innocent and their alibies checked out, the shirt Abby had on was Libby's sister's. Richard Allen fans: STOP WITH THE NONSENSE!!! Just stop. They are not framing RA. If they wanted to do that they would have just planted his DNA. So, there's that!

[@judyholiday1794]

Spot on and thank you @Haven_OG

[@Supraordinare]

Absolutely. I was an officer at Westville he was being housed in the A building where also the infirmary is. Solitary located in different complex called "GSC"

[@Lc0522]

Yikes. What an awful take. This man was put in a prison, people that aren't convicted don't go to prison. Try looking at everything going on in this case

[@Haven_OG]

@@Supraordinare my brother was a police officer now works for the sheriffs department, we are also in Indiana. I know some about how the prison system works and I know some are very misinformed, believing this nonsense and so many ever changing conspiracies.

[@Haven_OG]

@@judyholiday1794 ❤️

[@anotherfishinthesea8660]

Thanks Lauren, appreciate the sacrifice.

[@jamescope4831]

My gut tells me that RA doing the whole rocking thing is something that’s been planned out to show the jury that he’s been tortured and driven crazy, he’s putting on a show.

[@Slakker79]

I agree. He's an absolute coward. How dare he even act scared after what he put those girls through.

[@Fignewtonjohn]

My first thought upon hearing that.

[@dianarubia9039]

By putting on a show and gaining attention he may go to a mental institution which would allow him more freedom and less stress from prison inmates

[@GrumpyKay]

Thats not really anything. My mom rocks in her chair all the time and doesn't even realize she is doing it.

[@Musiknird]

He seems like a very insecure man that constantly needs affirmation and attention from others. How often did he ask his mom and wife about if they still loved him and even when they'd said it several times he asked them over and over again if they truly loved him. He must be in the middle of the attention at all times. He's like a little child that needs confirmation.

[@BeverlyMurphy-u5l]

I'm so glad you took your baby trick or treating. Good for you those memories you will treasure.

[@HeidiFredFab]

I also thought this was amazing. She has put so much work into this trial I am sure it was difficult for her to leave. But clearly her priorities are in order. I am a new follower and an instant admirer of her and her work! ✨

[@angelapowell2366]

Thanks Lauren, I'm going to go back and listen to Dr John's episode from about 3 weeks ago and his analysis of this case, it was fascinating and now after hearing your trial recounts will be more informative.

[@court5231]

Thank you for all of your hard work! It's very much appreciated! 🥰

[@CapeCod_Gail]

Any of Richard Allen’s coworkers from CVS been interviewed?

[@cail171]

I'm curious about that as well

[@SamanthaMullins-sq3jc]

I have wondered this so many times as well!

[@truthsticks5900]

Looks like a duck,walks like a duck ,sounds like a duck..It's a duck! His secret life has been exposed he can't handle it ,Actually I think that's the reason he was put into a mental health facility shortly after the event because of guilt. His wife knows thus but is in denial, he's been treated like a baby! For heaven's sake conspiracy theories run rampant..but the truth will always be the truth

[@cindylouwho5548]

Amen.

[@ilenhalogram]

Word

[@Supraordinare]

RA was not in solitary. I used to be a CO there. He was houses in the A building which is not where solitary is located. He had a sitter under suicide watch and access to TV, tablet etc. You dint get those luxurious in solitary.. ppl need to quit talking out of their behinds.

[@Lc0522]

It's still solidarity. He wasn't around other people. & if he's innocent it was torture

[@steppy3736]

You one of the guards who threatened him too?

[@Thomas116-m2n]

@@Lc0522 They would have killed him if he were in GP.

[@steppy3736]

@@Thomas116-m2n they tried

[@judyhooks7951]

I’m just wondering why prison officials are saying that he was in solitary confinement. Including the warden. So much conflicting information. ???

[@cknowles3980]

You and your note takers are doing a phenomenal job! Thanks

[@angelarussell-williams]

You are Amazing! So much dedication to get this story out and the truth. You have REALLY given Abby and Libby justice, trust, love, honor, respect and by all your hard work for the truth and justice for these two Beautiful Young Angels you have gifted them more life and love here on earth with there families and touch so many others. That even though the time here was cut incredibly way to short those two have lived longer and walked farther and has never left their families side and they brought together even a bigger family now and made those special moments in life we get they are sharing it us and happy that there legacy they left us was light years ahead of their age. Love, Friendship, Faith, Leadership, Family and Inspiration and The Little Things changes every thing. Those 3 words that were taped!!! You are truly honoring them.

[@AprilEpely]

You’re a true gem 💎 thank you so much for everything u are doing

[@NikkiNN]

Thank you for your continuous hard work on this case

[@lucybarrington4634]

Sounds like Kathy is an enabler. She definitely seems like she doesn’t want to hear the truth or the possibility that he’s the killer. He’s desperate to hear her say she’ll still love him even if he’s the killer and not getting that would make him think continuing to confess would cause him to lose Kathy. That could be what’s torturing his mind, his guilt and wanting to confess vs the fear of losing his wife’s love. Looking forward to hearing Dr. John’s thoughts on this. He always makes psychological sense to me.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

👍🏻

[@livvie33]

I was listening while I was driving with my husband and he said,” She needs to shut up and listen to what he’s trying to tell her what he did and all he wants is to see if she’ll come see him while he spends his life in prison…. And probably put money on the books for him.” PS: He knows nothing about these murders or this case only listen to today’s video with me.

[@glenf6639]

@@lucybarrington4634 Or…… he didn’t do this. Thats is always a possibility right?

[@juliesimko3656]

You put into words what I was thinking. He’s trying to confess but nobody is listening! I’m starting to think his lawyers and wife are the ones making him crazy

[@Fignewtonjohn]

💯

[@pachiecakes8467]

Omg this man has tried to confess 100000% and no one will let him!!!! That’s why he feels like he’s loosing his mind!!! He don’t have alcohol to run to when he gets these thoughts!!!!

[@fowlergirl11]

Agreed. His wife won’t let him talk to her about what he needs to. She is gaslighting him. No wonder he felt crazy.

[@janen9393]

Thought the same thing; wife and mother wouldn’t allow him to confess no matter how many times he tried and the wife sounded like the one in psychosis at that time.

[@papabear2515]

Please educate yourself. He was intensely drugged and tortured.

[@wcolautti]

I believe that she and Richard are in a seriously dysfunctional codependent relationship and perhaps the loss of Richard, to Kathy, feels worse to her than the murder of those two beautiful little girls.😢 I don’t know what role shame may play into this for Kathy and his wife but of the codependent relationship I’d bet my non expert absolutely bias opinion. I wonder if it’s true when Richard says he feels better in prison than he ever has before .

[@wcolautti]

@@papabear2515he was “intensely drugged” and he wasn’t tortured. I understand that’s what the defence is trying to portray as it’s their only way to try and overcome the multiple confessions but it’s not accurate. He was in Protective Custody bc he was on Suicide Watch. His “bizarre behaviour” began when he received his legal papers (discovery) and learned of the evidence against him.

[@GRP-Chi80]

He confessed with details only the killer would know within 1 month after being arrested. How can you dispute that! His mental status and issues, all happened after that.

[@Rg-hc6or]

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[@gummibearscrime]

And funny how he had a spike of mental health issues AFTER the murders(if i absorbed the facts right- correct me if i am wrong) He obviously always had issues if he committed these crimes, but his spike happened after. His wife stood by and supported him. Meanwhile he fit the bill of changing appearance, other changes (behavior, mental health) and while he admitted to being on the trail and wearing the same clothes, she didn’t have ONE inkling or question in her mind? I know denial is real and she couldn’t even fathom the idea but jeeeez. I wanted to report a good friend’s husband bc he looks just like the original sketch - as does 75% of rural middle aged born and or bed Indiana men! (We live about 90 mins from Delphi) anyhoooo……

[@lovexx2008]

​​@@gummibearscrimethis is purely me speculating and has no real factual basis. I find it very odd how Kathy responds when he confesses, I know I would be asking questions left and right. I don't think I would say stop talking or wait until we see each other in person - I dunno I find her reaction strange. However, I know we haven't heard all phone calls so he may have said all this prior but it's just odd in the context of him randomly telling her and she says no don't say that not why are you saying that?

[@HumanimalChannel]

Yeah, i wpuldnot be able to contain natiralcuriosity and Need To Know purely because of recording.. theyd either exonerate themselves and i cpuld co tinue to support or theyd convict themselves and if say See ya later Welcome to their codependent relationship ​@lovexx2008

[@gummibearscrime]

@@lovexx2008 agree i grill my husband more over what someone said, why, what happened at a party let alone this!!

[@normagrimstad8869]

Personally I think it’s manipulative to have his lawyer rubbing his back and putting his arm around RA. They’re trying to send a message that RA is so fragile, and that he’s not a monster. Let the facts decide that, not his lawyer.

[@jeanie8831]

I think everyone suspects stuff like this from every defense attorney. Good observation.

[@Fignewtonjohn]

The only defense is exactly what you just said and the weight loss and the pretend psychosis because other than that they don't have a pot to pee in.

[@melissafeagins264]

Buy your line sitters hot chocolate for their contribution to your coverage. Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

We will do that! Thank you!!

[@ashleyswshr]

Your coverage has been phenomenal and I feel like we are right there with you to bear witness to the evidence of these atrocities. I hope justice is fully served and the families can find some semblance of peace. Maybe somehow by bearing witness we can try to make a better world and prevent these things from happening again, that’s my hope, anyway.

[@Unibot47]

Okay I'm only 20 minutes in, but I must say, he was of sound mind enough to remember phone numbers of his wife and mom, string together those coherent thoughts with continuity in the conversation, such as going to church, which church you going to? For how long now, etc... But then when he makes the confessions he's experiencing psychosis? Defense trying to invalidate the confessions due to his mental state is futile IMO.

[@maymaypooch]

Bingo! He is putting on a show and manipulating everyone to make himself appear older and frail. He looks nothing like this 5 yrs ago!!! He did this. He put himself there, same clothes, white van, bullet, ugh he’s a psychopath

[@Fignewtonjohn]

Yup. I have a family member who goes through psychotic episodes about once a year and he doesn't act anything like Richard Allen. He doesn't remember anything after his episodes are over and the episodes are typically in conjunction with catatonia as well. He never ate poop he never made phone calls because typically with psychotic episodes they experience paranoia and are afraid to even go near electronics because they think they are being spied on. A lot of times while in psychosis they also hear voices too. There was no mention of Richard Allen hearing voices from what I'm seeing

[@HumanimalChannel]

You remember phone numbers during psychotic episodes. Geesch. Have you experienced this? Perhaps you're an anomoly. Being able to Dial those numbers that might be a thing

[@HumanimalChannel]

And even tho you Appear to have come out of nowhere to make a supposed Guilty comment... you're still NOT A VALID COMMENTER

[@Penny4yourthoughts63]

​@maymaypooch, educate yourself. If he were a psychopath he would never confess. There would be no remorse what so ever.

[@kimberlypainter5169]

1:28:09 I greatly appreciate both types of LIVES!!! This gives us such a raw insight into what its like to do your job. Im thankful to be able to hear any information at all. You are so much appreciated by myself and so many more. Thank you for all you do! Shout out to Dr. John for holding down the fort at home.

[@italianmommaotts3185]

I find it weird for a grown man to coddle another grown man, they all have treated this man like a child. RA has recieved better treatment than anyother inmate. I wouldnt call his cell solitary confinement. Ra was brought out everyday and my god they get tablets and tv's they live better than our homeless.

[@Fignewtonjohn]

It's all part of the stage play from Allen and the defense team. Hopefully the jurors can see through it

[@italianmommaotts3185]

@Fignewtonjohn Never thought of that but, yep I think your right. I just see as such fake bs and some of those jurors see right through that. These jurors seem like they themselves are Attorney's with their questions.

[@maxinejsf2693]

So you think he was not in solitary confinement ? There is no TV, IPad, actually nothing in solitary just a mattress and a quilted smock!

[@t.phillips3657]

​@@maxinejsf2693what are you even talking about? He did get a tablet and had access to the internet and could download games and books and got phone calls and visits every day outside of his cell from the Dr. His mattress was also raised off the floor. He was offered a TV, but refused it. Homeless people don't even have it that good.

[@t.phillips3657]

I completely agree! Well said!

[@20twobeauty22]

I only watch your coverage, im sure there are other good reporters for sure. I just love your dedication, honesty and thoroughness. Thank you so so much for being the eyes and ears for us. ❤

[@edwine8857]

If RA had said "Yeah, I saw Abby and Libby. They were crossing the bridge. I don't like to see that, it's so dangerous, and makes me feel queasy so I left." He wouldn't've probably been on trial today. It's the improbability, considering the timeline, that he never saw them that is, In my mind, more evidence that he is BG.

[@chaiabello6519]

Thank you so much Lauren. You are such a great journalist. You're doing a great job.Thank you so much for the hard work..

[@heavenj7]

Lauren I was literally bummed last night with no notes roundup! Ha but so happy you got home for Halloween! You’re doing such a great job and I really appreciate your work! Can’t wait to hear what Dr John and you say! 💕 💕

[@truthsticks5900]

Cathy knew from the beginning..just can't accept it ..I think his daughter feels different

[@1014-m6s]

I agree.

[@RichardZabielski-ql9ss]

Very much agree. I think that's why she won't allow him to confess either

[@sammyday3341]

You are incredible. Thank you so much for all your hard work and time. Just amazing. After initially feeling sympathetic toward KA, the audio of her calls changed that for me. And the more I think about it, she is bound to have recognized RA as BG. My wife would definitely recognize me, even with the graininess.

[@brandyl2183]

Yes. I have no sympathy for KA. RA was tortured in his soul and was confessing every way he could and his wife, mother and defense team have convinced him that he can beat this rap due to the poor investigation. They are obstructing justice in my opinion. KA has probably known all along he was BG and did this but she cares more about her perverted sick man than she does his victims. Including possibly their own daughter. Speaks volumes that the daughter hasn’t shown her face or said a word in support of her parents.

[@bethnorrod5942]

I've been with my husband for 16 years. I would recognize his voice anywhere. Even a small clip like "down the hill".

[@brandyl2183]

@ me too.

[@mscs196]

AGREE 💯 👍

[@PsychActually]

Same about recognizing my partner. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, I think she’s just heavily in denial. I mean it’s got to be a mind**** and she’s a victim in this too. I just wish her denial didn’t mean more harm was being caused to the families of the victims. And I don’t know what’s going on with their relationship but something is off to me in those calls between RA and KA.

[@breezystl777]

Any updates on when the Nov. 1st trial coverage will be posted? And thank you so much for your amazing reporting, hard work, meticulous notes, and nights in the cold. Thank you for helping give Libby and Abby a voice, Lauren. 💜

[@lovelylyrics1687]

That detail about the van wow ..all I know is Richard Allen couldn't in any lifetime have a better wife than Kathy and he's been blessed to have his attorneys. We just need the truth and justice for Libby and Abby.

[@Karen-hb4fy]

Thank you! Traveled from Arizona to home in NH and kept hoping you’d have new podcast from yesterday! Hope you had good Halloweem with family! 🎃

[@SRM2025]

Girl, you are the best. A lot of detractors, some who’ve their mind made up prior to the evidence, see you as their conduit of information they wish not to hear. Don’t let them get to you, Darling. Keep being YOU without fear of your opinions. Us HG’s and the newbies who appreciate and love your work are staying for the long haul and the others shall drift away after the trail. There is a reason victims families’ and friends trust you with their hearts, become your good friends and it’s due to your head and heart being absolutely pure. Hang in there, Kiddo. ☮️💟

[@sarcasticcatlady2036]

Very well said

[@dannicely737]

Ty for keeping us informed on what's going on with the trial.

[@poortreestudios]

Once again, really appreciate your professionalism and concise coverage. It means a lot to show up with a positive message 🤜🏻⚡️🤛🏻

[@glenf6639]

Justice for Abby and Libby will only be had if the right person is convicted. This is so incredibly sad how the local LE has handled this. They have truly disrespected these precious girls.

[@heatherkennedy7962]

Thanks for your coverage!! Hope one day to become a member!!

[@edwine8857]

Imagine if RA was talking to his wife on the phone and you heard him say "i am innocent", and she replied "No, you did it. Don't talk like the when you call. You did it.". There would be an uproar and she would be metaphorically burnt at the stake. Why then, when he confesses and she denies his involvement and gaslights him, some automatically believe her and put the blame on the authorities . The only evidence of manipulation I have heard thus far as come from the defence and his family.

[@dessaarnold7540]

I appreciate that you're so thorough with your commentary and explanations. You talk clearly, some people are hard to follow for me.

[@elizarob666]

Theres one group of people who say RA was badly treated in prison therefore his confessions are false, and he is not guilty. Then theres another group who say he wasn't treated badly, he was exaggerating his mental health problems, his confessions are valid and he is guilty. The two arent mutually exclusive. He could have been treated badly, his mental health affected , his confessions a mixture of true and false and also guilty .

[@PsychActually]

Exactly! I think people who are “broken down” psychologically sometimes make false confessions. But being broken down also leads people to make true confessions! There’s a reason why they try to break people down in interrogations. Because the more psychologically distressed the person gets the more likely they are to confess. It just so happens that sometimes those confessions are false…but that doesn’t negate that a broken down psychologically state also leads to far more true confessions than false confessions.

[@edwine8857]

@@PsychActually This statement should be pinned to the top.

[@lisakaniho786]

Thank goodness for people like you and those that help you. Aloha from Hawaii. Wishing you and your family the best!

[@sammi.mack.]

Im so in the middle with this. I need to hear from the defence to hear both sides, but i kind of expected more from the Prosecution. So glad i am not on that jury. Even if i believed he did it, did they prove beyond any reasonable doubt he did it.. I dont know if they did. 😶. Thank you Lauren, and thanks to those that stood in the queue for you too xxxx

[@rb5078]

I feel exactly the same way.

[@lbirgeria]

I truly appreciate your thorough and diligent reporting.

[@BriBerg-y9j]

If you look at other channels almost nobody thinks he’s guilty. I still think he did it.

[@spedmomtherapist535]

Your hard work is so appreciated! ❤

[@pennyroyal-tea]

Wanted you to know that a subreddit addressing RA supporters being “everywhere” and individuals feeling harassed for believing RA guilty turned into a Lauren/HTC lovefest. People are singing your praises over there and feeling very fortunate for your coverage and for sharing even a little bit how the testimony is landing with you. Keep up the good work-we all look forward to your daily lives!!

[@LalaWest]

Good!! The Freaks sure do distract the flow here. They seem to be on a group mission assigned by someone with an agenda.

[@dahliadaydream]

Why would he give false concessions to his wife who is begging him to stop talking? Are we gonna say his wife was forcing him to confess? It doesn’t make any sense. Those confessions seem very legitimate.

[@heavenj7]

Because the issue is lawyers and Kathy WANT him to be innocent, and he wants to confess! It’s like they won’t let him!? I almost feel like defense keeps touching him on the back to keep him from confession again lol

[@bene6532]

HE WAS CHRONICALLY TORTURED AND DRIVEN NUTS... Sink in yet?

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

@@heavenj7Yes, that’s the defense attorney’s job. My daughter who is a defense attorney, told me that even if he told his attorney that he did the crime, they would still do their job to defend him. 😮

[@jeanie8831]

It's all face value until we know.

[@roundtheworld2702]

You can have a calm voice when you’re diagnosed with psychosis and you’re medicated. You need to look at the timeline.

[@GrammyTammy13]

My biggest problem is that they were actively investigating Ron Logan who owned the property the girls were found on and put himself at the scene by saying he had driven to town. Up until he Passed from Covid there was a lot of speculation about him so I just want to know Everything and this judge doesn’t want anyone to know anything.

[@edwine8857]

RL was 6 feet 2. BG's jeans gather at the bottom. For a pare of jeans to gather at the bottom of a man that tall like that they would have had a unreasonably long inner leg. Not science, just a thought. BG was short. The judge, rightfully, only wants to put someone on trial where there is evidence. There is no evidence for anyone save RA.

[@sweetsu3s]

They looked into Logan, searched his house and his property. They found nothing. No evidence that he was involved. They decided to follow the evidence not their feelings.

[@sim-b]

Love your channel Lauren xx & Dr John of course ❤

[@kimkeenan6385]

i was listening to some of the discussion yesterday about your opinion. what most ppl do not realize is that Allen may be in prison, but that is not uncommon! for instance i live in RI, a small state that does not have county jails, so all incarcerated inmates are in one state prison if they do not make bail. I worked at the prison as an RN for years, i think most ppl have a misconception that segregation is what they see on tv. its far from it and it sounds like Allen had ideal conditions.

[@Tereselynn]

Well I'm glad you are home Lauren😊👍! I hope you are getting finally your sleep, peace, & rest. Thank-you for this😊❤❤❤❤

[@reginaadair5168]

I want to say I remember when ra was being interviewed early on he said he went to the bridge for a walk, he did want to do the “lunch thing”. When he confessed to his psychiatrist he said he was with his parents that morning and they wanted to go to lunch! I think this is significant, he started with the earliest thing that day! Also he said he killed them to keep his family alive, as if he was going to kill them instead of his family. Please someone talk about this!!!

[@maxinejsf2693]

He went to kill his parents. Why? He went to the park to find someone else to kill?

[@PsychActually]

Hm, that’s interesting. I assumed his comment about keeping his family alive was nonsense and I wasn’t thinking family annihilator ideation… I dunno, I mean family annihilators seem to have certain triggers and there hasn’t been any testimony or info to come out that sounds like those triggers to me. He was working on a new certification for a new job he started the next year at CVS. He and his wife have stayed together so it seems he didn’t want to leave her or her leave him. And we haven’t heard anything about their personal finances being a problem. 🤷‍♀️ With a lack of any knowledge/info of family annihilator triggers going on (and that he didn’t end up killing his family on the 5 years or so after the crime), it seems more likely to me that he was just saying random stuff that doesn’t make sense because of the mental stress he was under. That does NOT mean that he didn’t kill the girls. It just means he was under mental stress and probably said some stuff that didn’t make sense.

[@reginaadair5168]

@@maxinejsf2693 not that he went to kill them. But something happened that morning. He told interviewing cop he went for the bridge because he didn’t want to do the lunch thing. When he confessed to psychiatrist he said he was with his parents that morning….then they wanted to go to lunch. He decided to go take a walk on ttt get e bridge instead This means something.

[@kjn3005]

Great coverage❤❤ Look forward to it on lunch lives and evening up dates! You’re doing a phenomenal job Lauren, thank you so much‼️

[@annelienel9179]

It is interesting that the wife and mother would not let him talk to the stepfather. Maybe then he would have made a full confession without the fear of rejection. Thanks for your realistic and honest reporting.

[@1014-m6s]

Agree. I think a man might have handled the conversation much differently, perhaps not ‘babying’ RA and asking more questions.

[@dianeiaquinto2474]

Lauren thank you for covering this case i know you at time's are away of your family glad you did get home for holloween for your son also hope you will get rest you are great on reporting on this case praying Justice will be served LORD GOD please for Abby and Libby praying for clarity in this case also for their family's AMEN❤❤❤❤❤

[@theredscottishgirl2410]

Very telling to me in all these calls he never once Asks about his child , as a parent that would be my main concern is my child ok

[@aliciaa5894]

Great point‼️very weird

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Absolutely a red flag!

[@chelseawhittaker]

You guys… How many trials have y’all watched? the child’s name would be redacted, happens ALL the time.

[@aliciaa5894]

@@chelseawhittaker the name would be redacted, but through context you would be able to tell who he was asking about

[@chelseawhittaker]

@ we don’t know what is redacted and what isn’t.

[@PrinceCharmingsMom2930]

Thank you Lauren, you’re amazing 💕