Hiding in plain sight; the real reason that Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris had such a good run

[@doloresaquines1529]

Dublin, today: "A 25-year-old male has appeared before the Criminal Courts of Justice this morning accused of having attempted to kidnap a 5-year-old child. The court granted an application by Garda McDermott that the man’s identity not be reported due to “the current climate in the country”. I am astounded. "due to the current climate in the country". Well, that tells what the perp is!

[@pauldelaney5990]

He first saw her in Alan's snack bar.

[@doloresaquines1529]

@@pauldelaney5990 I am sure of it! Yet, you can be guaranteed if he was Irish, his name, his picture and where he lived would be plastered all over the place. Do the clown’s not realise when a crime is committed and they refuse to release the name of the offender it doesn’t take Albert Einstein to figure out that its a foreign national. Not naming an offender when they commit a crime because they are a foreign national is becoming an every day thing. One set of rules and laws for the Irish and a different set of rules and laws for the invaders.

[@mariaefelices6543]

Yes no prizes for guessing the ethnicity of the perpetrator

[@Yawnyaman]

I see two tier policing isn't confined to the UK! But the approach is fantastically stupid as well as wicked.

[@DaveGreeneramblingcarpenter]

Yes they tell us without telling us,,sad days indeed when reporting the truth is not allowed

[@jessebongo46]

Because the " establishment " is full of the same type of people.

[@zantas-handle]

🎯

[@thomasandrewmcgonigal5150]

Perhaps Saville procured children for people at the top of society,did they provide cover for him?

[@vicsaunders9710]

👍👏👏👏👏🇬🇧

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Don't give the BBC any of your money.

[@TheThinker-ce5kq]

If someone comes to your door say you don’t support an organisation that harbours pdfiles. You can list Savile, Harris, Schofield, Edwards…

[@LettyK]

​@@TheThinker-ce5kqExcellent reply!

[@A.Mardle]

Any society that is obsessed with celebrities and sports figures is already in deep decline. There are plenty of examples throughout history. A healthy society would view the average 'celebrity' as a shallow attention seeker, a potential miscreant and a general waste of space.

[@vordman]

Epitomised by Savile.

[@jonathanj.7344]

The Kardashians.

[@mrmyorky5634]

I've thought exactly the same as you for most of my life, yet today the majority of ordinary people view 'Celebrities and Sports people as the truly outstanding examples of human greatness. All the wonderful technology and achievement that we take for granted today has been provided by the efforts of ordinary people and by the imagination and commitment of others who we've mostly never heard of.

[@A.Mardle]

@@mrmyorky5634 Before Rome declined, the Romans viewed actors as one step above prostitutes and gladiators were slaves and shameful outcasts. We should also look askance at celebrities, entertainers and professional footballers etc. They are narcissistic miscreants until proven otherwise.

[@garydavid1788]

You're right of course .... We're witnessing the decline and fall of western culture, although some might say it didn't have too far to travel ! Even a basic knowledge of history would tell us that it's happened many times before and always preceded by decadence and corruption by those 'in charge' and the citizens.

[@rodneycooperLMSCoach]

Makes me wonder why Islamisation of Britain is desired by some.

[@RillUK]

So the local Imam can legally force your 9 year old daughter to marry whoever pays him enough.

[@John.Flower.Productions]

They know that every single alien is not only a supporter/voter, each also adds to the division of the British population. Dividing the population ensures that they will never come together, to throw off the yoke of bondage. People should stop focusing on the symptom(s) and worry about the actual disease.

[@peterlatham8165]

@@rodneycooperLMSCoach women's eyes need to be opened wide ref this.

[@ZowieBBowie]

How deluded and backward thinking is this , if it was up to you everyone would still have the opinion that “ grown women really shouldn’t venture into pubs by themselves” . Get a life you misinformed lonely old dinosaur.

[@ZowieBBowie]

P. s. Sounds more like YOU need to leave - get back in your Time Machine and return to the Middle Ages pronto!!

[@peterlatham8165]

No-one should escape punishment for harming a child in any way. Childhood, with it's innocence, deserves to be respected, ever revered: it passes all too quickly.

[@jamessones4044]

Karma is patient

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

And no one who isn’t a kid hurter should be punished 100s of family’s fled to Ireland Tony Blair’s anti smacking agenda I to was charged and common assist quickly became 2x ABH ON A MINOR I spent 5 days in Leicester crown court with the -3 jury my self and half the public gallery SNIGGERING STE ARSES IFF ST YHE RNTIRE FRAUD TRIAL the Jude even remarked numerous times wen I demanded the case ends that his hands were tied… they do this with kids and grape etc try to change the rules to increase the conviction rate then go after all the normal people STARMER HAD QUICKLY RE Started THIS NONSENSE

[@brankamici5164]

What is inherently innocent about childhood, pry ? Andwhich authority had written it down to you, pry, pry ?

[@gavinbennett1849]

If we had marriage allowed for a 12 year old girl, in 1929, in less than a hundred years we , have a significant religious cult , who'd dearly like this to happen again.

[@martinjackman2943]

Qur'an sura 65 verse 4 allows divorce and remarriage of pre pubescent girls .. it's a truly viyal cult

[@johnyoung8727]

On the cards !

[@gfuentes8449]

the women who keep voting in the migrants are absolutely fine with them doing it. They're only preoccupied with what white men do

[@leebennett1821]

People today are simply not as grown up as in the past since people lead shorter lives they had to Grow up faster

[@patriottothecore6215]

9 year olds for them

[@k1ckyscotland988]

I was a teenager during the 70s. Just like those my ilk,I watched TOTP on a Thursday night. Nobody I know liked Savile,we all thought there was something "off" about him. Little did we know.

[@harold6863]

I grew up as a kid in the 60s and teen 70s and although I didn’t know how to describe him then even I knew Saville was a sick monster.

[@k1ckyscotland988]

Yes,he had a sinister,slimey edge to him. The BBC must've known how generally he was disliked.

[@LouiseOC1]

@@k1ckyscotland988 He wasn’t disliked, he was hugely popular. Most people saw him as eccentric, not creepy. He’s hardly have been on Tv so much if viewers had disliked him.

[@jansammut9557]

...and yet the BBC, Thatcher, and Charles thought so highly of him that he ended up with an OBE and being Knighted.

[@robertnewell5057]

For one thing, we kids thought Savilde was an old geezer.

[@frankielov]

Uncle jimmy was well protected, bb has destroyed many peoples childhood memories and lives.

[@jujubees5855]

Jimmy and Charles Island Boi and Andy Diddler and Harry. Coincidence, right? Or family fun.

[@davidgardiner4720]

Seville was protected by Thatcher and Whitehouse.

[@Benjaminsonofmyrighthand]

He was in the popular social club of prestigious brick layers😉

[@ShanghaiRooster]

The kind of men who enjoy abusing children will tend to seek out employment at any location where they can gain access to kids; hospitals, children's homes, schools, the church and yes, the BBC. Those foul individuals who chose the last of that list will often be higher profile than the creeps who work at the others. Their higher profile has the unfortunate effect of insulating them from exposure far longer than it might do for some Joe Schmo of little public notice. The BBC is sadly stuffed full of managers who don't really care about anything except the next bonus and their fat pension scheme; those people don't want 'issues' rocking the boat on their watch, so will do their best to bury any accusations until they have moved on. The corporation isn't alone in that. We've seen it happen in sundry cases involving social services failing in their duty towards vulnerable children whop have been abused and sometimes murdered, where the chief has moved to another authority shortly before the case comes to light, or has suddenly 'retired' similarly.

[@firehot006]

He was literally a fixer. Hence his show Jim 'll fix it, very much hiding in plain sight!

[@peterfield2229]

Now if you still pay the licence fee this is what you are funding.

[@BOATSkeepcoming]

You can LEGALLY cancel it.

[@Mattherat15]

Do you actually think the BBC employs these people knowing what they are?

[@nickieglazer33]

​​@@Mattherat15For the sake of humanity, wake up, please 🙏 Take a look at the statue outside the BBC studios..... Look at the MTV building.... 🙈🙉🙊 No wonder they've called it 'monkey pox'.

[@nickieglazer33]

​@@Mattherat15How many coincidences can one observe, until it's mathematically impossible that it is yet another 'coincidence'. Hidden in plain sight 👁️ unless..... 🙊🙉🙈

[@Mattherat15]

@@nickieglazer33 I'm not having it the BBC is a respected news broadcaster around the world the far right are trying to bring it down they prefer GB news which is far right don't be fooled.

[@whitelines3097]

Just heard on GB news. There were no reporters in court ( only GB news) for the sentencing and impact statements at the recent Pakistani grooming gang case. . The victim was allowed to read her impact statement but she was ordered to leave out the section where she said that 2 of the men who are Pakistani nationals should be deported after their sentence. This says it all about the MSM

[@karyne826]

@@whitelines3097 GB News 😅

[@therealisation5500]

Don't know what you are on about the BBC had a five minute article running every hour or so and if she was ordered to leave something out how would you know that's out who courts work

[@itsmeitsme99]

Outrageous. But nothing happens. It's the same phobia of offending Islam that caused the original tsunami of uninvestigated grooming gangs. It seems that the police and our Dear Leader are both Islamophobic. Both are terrified.

[@GreenMachine-u3n]

The case was extensively covered by the BBC, Daily Mail, Daily Star, the Yorkshire Post, Yorkshire Live, the Evening Standard and the Shropshire Star. There were, no doubt, others. Your level of ignorance must be wilful.

[@itsmeitsme99]

@@GreenMachine-u3n Really?

[@Bob-tq2jv]

The BBC kept quiet about Jimmy Savile imo to keep their reputation intact and not to rock the boat as he was such a star for them in the 70s and 80s. Savile himself made sure his back was covered by making good friends in very high places. Glad I don’t pay the TV licence anymore

[@johncalder5703]

No, the sexual abuse by older men of children has never been accepted as normal by any real man or woman.

[@Strange_Club]

Simon never said it was. I don't think you listened to him properly.

[@Avatarman2rescue]

So mohammedans aren't real men, and women. Thank you.

[@neddyseagoon9601]

​@@Strange_Club you're not wrong...

[@kevinsutton6927]

Not in civilized society, but it seems generally accepted in Islam. The ideal Islamic role model Mohammed had a child bride called Aisha. According to the 'infallible word of Allah' (ie the Koran) Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 and was having full blown sex with her from the age of 9. Pedophilia practices seem to be deeply imbedded in Islamic culture. There is no 'age of consent' in Islam. Cousins are often married off at ridiculously young ages. The Rochdale grooming scandal was only the tip of the iceberg . Also, look at the practice of bacha bazi in Afghanistan (- a 'cultural enrichment' practice that will soon be imported to the UK, if it hasn't already).

[@b8nnytez]

Listen again to what he said. Pay particular attention to the studio audience REACTION to the two main characters in that sitcom fantasising about 11-16 year old girls. i GUARANTEE had you been in that audience you'd have laughed too. Yes, it's horrific NOW but back then attitudes were very different, and that's the environment monsters can thrive in. Today is a VERY different world to 50 years ago. VERY different! Social media, instant communication, the ability to take pics, record sound, has changed everything. It has forced them to change their demographic, if you get my drift....😮

[@CD-pm9kc]

UK Child Protection Act 1989/2004 are meant to put people who commit these crimes in prison for a LONG time.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

The thing with laws is that for every case that is prosecuted, there will be many that the authorities don't take any further action with, for some reason. And that's not counting the cases that haven't come to there knowledge.

[@graham24616901]

Such laws are only effective if those enacted with the power to enforce them are uncorrupted. Sadly this has not been the case; " Qui costodiet ipsos custodes"..

[@PoppiesAndPride]

SAVILLE COULD HAVE BROUGHT DOWN COMRADE STARMER FOR ONE

[@drewtatt6487]

Yes,and beyond to the very top

[@thedarkdefender7780]

He had a lot on the Royal family too.

[@mintywebb]

How? You must be very very stupid. Savile was best mates with the he current king you imbecile. Charles favourite uncle was also a nonce.

[@JackBlack-ii1ip]

Savile

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Sir Keir Starmer wasn’t the review lawyer who claimed there were insufficient evidence to prosecute Savile.

[@georgemather9082]

They want noncing to be legal.

[@lostronin380]

They want it to be taboo, they enjoy that. They just don't want any punishment for it.

[@thomasrobert4654]

access to children for sexual activities has always been part of the lefts attitude to politics

[@nickmiller76]

@@lostronin380 Indeed. They want it to be a special naughty pleasure, available only to members of their exclusive club.

[@michaelfraser5723]

evidently

[@chrishenniker5944]

Jean Paul Satre and Simone De Beauvoir were calling for it to be legalised, as if it was cannabis.

[@undermuscled7381]

I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and would add that people were less likely to challenge authority in that era.

[@ant7936]

And no Internet to inform people, immediately and widely.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

@@ant7936 That maybe true, but there's always been 'underground' magazines and papers. The alternative press has often revealed all sorts of shady information and got into trouble for it. Also, if victims felt intimidated, information could be given anonymously. It could be observed though that each victim might have felt that it had only happened to them, there was nothing that they could do and jusst left it. I wonder why no one got their revenge and attacked him ? Even in this country, it's not unknown for celebrities to get assaulted or killed by someone angry at them.

[@ant7936]

@@adrianparker-e9f Agreed. But as you say, we might imagine that we are the only person who's been victimised. In sure a simple Google search would yield many support groups and other examples today.

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

Yes, if the person was in authority, you know they'd be much more likely to be believed than you would, plus you could be punished for reporting someone with a good reputation.

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu You don't think people in authority back then were more honest, no? It's a bit of an Ockham's razor argument which I see everyone sidesteps through wanting to be one of the sheep in their beliefs.

[@LouiseOC1]

I think fancying teenage girls and assaulting children of 7 are not quite the same thing. I don’t think child molesting was viewed favourably even in the 70s.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

Even up to the 80's the issue seems to be seen as 'a bit sad' rather than bad. ( there must be something mental about a man that can't have a relationship with adult women )

[@jujubees5855]

It sure is. It sucks all the same trying to walk home from school at age 11 and getting catcalled, it sucks getting physically assaulted. It's innocence stolen and it's sick today look at kids that way.

[@yeahokno]

Don't worry, the new arrivals are bringing these trends back, with a burning passion.

[@beauzer36]

​@@yeahoknoCultural enrichment! Diversity is our strength!

[@Paul-qs3nu]

Very true theirs a vast difference, some teenage girls especially nowadays look older, but the reason rightly so they are protected is mental they aren't. That's how some grown men manipulate them , and then you have new arrivals coming from countries were it's the norm to take child wife's. Most men know it's wrong but a younger child is definitely much worse.

[@PauloZunguze]

BBC provided a big helping hand

[@maxpaws3977]

So did the Police and UK judiciary in form of the crown prosecution service

[@James-o7b3l]

@@maxpaws3977 they buried the Dolphin Square and Elm's Guest House cases

[@Yazz2014]

My number one reason for watching your videos is precisely because you are not afraid to talk about delicate matters/issues with all the respect that it deserves. I always say to friends and family that there is no such thing as a taboo subject, just how we chose to talk about it. If done with respect and as much tact as possible anything can be opened for discussion, this is how we learn and grow. People that do not understand this stance are usually very intolerant and frankly conversationally stagnant.

[@AnthonyLauder]

I was a cub scout in the early 1970s. One of the cub pack leaders, a man in his 30s I think, was a child molester. He took us on camping trips at weekends, and each night would invite a boy to share his sleeping bag to learn "survival techniques for keeping warm". He did tell me that I was "such a handsome young boy" and "you are one of my favourite boys in the cubs". Even back then I suspected he was telling the same stuff to most of the boys. I can remember us all praying we would not be chosen each night, but some unlucky favourites were chosen several times. The strange thing is, we never even thought to mention it to our parents. As if it were "just one of those things". Fortunately, the guy was eventually arrested for child abuse, in an incident unrelated to the cub scouts. He lost his job and, of course, his position in the cub scouts, and was shunned by the community. Curiously, though, he did not go to prison, and I am not sure why.

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Talking about stuff like that to our parents would have been too embarrassing. Much the same kind of thing happened to me as well.

[@meisterlymanu5214]

my mate grew up in same era, his PE teacher felt that 24 boys undressing naked and rolling around in the local muddy river, while he sat in his fold up chair he brought with him, and watched, would be very educational.

[@theenglishman8668]

Apparently many parents of that era were naive, as they thought most adults were much too nice to take advantage of a child.

[@Mark70609]

That is a bad experience. It is amazing that this guy wasn’t arrested. There was a fiddler at my school who was quite open about it with the kids. He touched up some alpha male kids who went to the headmaster. The teacher was dismissed that day but wasn’t reported to police.

[@Mark70609]

@@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb have you thought of doing a episode on the cultural effects of Australia on British culture. I think British peoples attitudes have changed after a trip to Australia

[@stephencampbell311]

All by design and has been for years - they're seeking to normalise it. This is the sick reality of where we are.

[@karyne826]

End Times.

[@quantisedspace7047]

​@@suewood8538What's a "police force" ? We don't have one now. We don't have people being kilt for reasons of 'honour' though, do we ?

[@wattage2007]

Satanists.

[@johnyoung8727]

I remember in my mid , late 20's probably 96, 98, Elton John, George Michael doing a turn at the Palladium , it was televised. They sang sngs etc, and the dancers were all young blokes dressed up as boy scouts ! All dancing provocatively. I remember sitting there watching and my Mum and Dad and I thought it pereverted and sick. The audience aplauded and whooped !

[@stephenconlin1840]

I was brought up early 60’s, I remember especially in summer months playing out all day. We only came home when hungry!, we’d wander for miles, explore old farms derelict buildings and the like! Then return home where the front doors were unlocked & every one knew everyone’s business, we were always told to be careful by our parents,the (bad man)was a good phrase used a lot!!! These people have always been around!! Back then it was word of mouth! Jump forward to today! You dare not let your children out of your sight ! The point is! the reason is in plane site

[@vordman]

I remember those days too. It was a proper childhood captured wonderfully by Enid Blyton. There were pervs around back then, of course, but they were never in any doubt they would be beaten up if they stepped out of line.

[@davidjma7226]

I was the same until this guy approached me from nowhere with his knob out.....

[@vespadavidson2315]

What do aircraft have to do with this?

[@mrmyorky5634]

My parents used to warn me not to go playing near our local 'Woodyard' as there was a 'Bad Man' who lived there. They never explained what they meant by the term 'Bad Man' as in those days that sort of thing was not discussed with children.

[@paullowman9131]

I remember the same things and you're right.

[@James-o7b3l]

Can we now also have an analysis of why Cyril Smith, Janner, Blunkett et al all had a very easy time of it? Clue; parliamentary rings and protection

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Blunkett???

[@robm8809]

There are questions regarding the history of Thomas Hamilton too, why was he free to carry on his behaviour for a long time and keep hold of the things he used at Dunblane? Shady links to high-ups, allegedly.

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

​@robm8809 Andy Murray was in the same class, and his mother gave Hamilton a lift, and we know how well Andy ended up.

[@mikehunt8968]

​@@robm8809Funny handshake club....

[@mikehunt8968]

Ted Heath was another one, unmarried 'confirmed batchelor'...🤬

[@DixieDaydreamer]

I was born in the early 1970s and I remember a few times where people would simply say things like, "Oh he has a few odd interests." about others they knew. It was basically that no one would ever talk about what was going on, these sick people like Saville were protected by the upper-echelons of society, our so-called betters were abused at public schools and so they saw it just part of growing up. I remember a very old episode of Holby City where they had a boy who'd been abused by his father, they sort out the kid's injuries and the kid walks back into the waiting room and whispers to his dad, "I never said a word. It's all good.", and a chill runs down your spine, they were very upper-middle-class family.

[@johnrainsley5757]

Well there’s plenty of people ready to fill their places, we have Hoards of them arriving everyday on our Shores, !

[@Slievenamon]

Quote from Wikipedia "Mandy Smith lived in Tottenham as a child. She met Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman when she attended the BPI Awards with her older sister Nicola in 1984, while she was 13 years old.[1][2] Wyman was 47, but wrote in his 1990 autobiography: "She took my breath away ... she was a woman at thirteen." The relationship only became public two-and-a-half years later, when she reached the age of 16 (the legal age of consent in the United Kingdom), and resulted in a firestorm of publicity."

[@jimmycampbell78]

Her parents were delighted that their daughter was in a relationship with one of the Rolling Stones. Wyman's celebrity helped him get away with all that.

[@AngelBaby-cp6kf]

Did it end well? Did they marry?

[@stepchicken3238]

I think it was agreed with the parents of Smith that she would be a kind of escort with Wyman to nightclubs, holidays, etc, but she could finish with him anytime she liked. Upon her ending the relationship he would pay over a £1million (or more?) for the rental. What is acceptable for the rich is frowned upon by the rest of us.

[@willie2761]

@@jimmycampbell78 Still child abuse though. Pretty common amongst pop people isnt it.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

@@AngelBaby-cp6kfThe information you seek is available online, just Google ‘Bill Wynan and Mandy Smith’; online information confirms what the commenter stated

[@kevinshort3483]

Not sure that the parents reaction makes it worse. My parents never knew what happened to me in the 70's but it still causes me problems to this day and I am now 62.

[@barneyrubble9309]

Saville wasn't just an abuser, he was a facilitator for others...that's why he got away with it.. He had protection.

[@jujubees5855]

Knighthood even. Charles and Andy have similar...friends. No wonder the UK Government is so pro censorship.

[@paulinebarbrook4295]

jim will fix it............that was his handle for the club......right in our faces....

[@mrnice7570]

Royal

[@MarkBuckle-p8u]

Starmer also protected him

[@pauldirac808]

Allegedly our Dear leader Two tier refused to prosecute as it wasn’t in the public interest . Wonder how he got his Honour .

[@riversong656]

Good Morning, dear Simon. Thank you for your perspective on things❤

[@omgitsabloodyandroid5161]

Does anyone remember the Labour Party and advocating PIE?

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Harriet Harman...

[@pauldurkee4764]

Simon beat me to it, yes Harriet Harman, and her strange beliefs.

[@vordman]

Yep, literature was produced With Harriet Harmon and Patricia Hewitt stating their support for "alternative" lifestyles. Disgusting.

[@carolynellis387]

I'd forgotten about that, but I dis think it very strange at the time. I wondered why she would say this?

[@maplin007]

You only have to look at Ancient Greece, Rome or Persia to know this stuff has gone on forever.

[@Darren-ff4oc]

They waited until Saville died before revealing his crimes, he would have brought alot of powerful and influential people down with him had he been prosecuted when he was alive.

[@danielburger1775]

There are people who are known to have been involved, but nothing was ever done.

[@mesolithicman164]

When MI5 know their secrets they can control them. Perhaps that is why these people, in particular, do well, because once in positions of power they can be manipulated

[@James-o7b3l]

the British Dutroux, supplier to the 'elites'

[@JohnWalker-rt6ue]

Was Jill Dando murdered because she threatened to expose the pervs in the BBC?

[@thomasrobert4654]

@@mesolithicman164 lots of truth here.

[@themachinestops23]

As someone who experienced this as a kid I appreciate very much your attempt at analysing this phenomena without the hysteria. I didn't get the impression at all that you were making excuses for anyone.

[@themachinestops23]

I would also add as well that the generation that grew up after the war, many of them must have been raised by people carrying horrific traumas from their experiences during the war. That doesn't create healthy people!

[@marialangdon573]

I saw an interview with one of Savile's "victims", now middle aged. She said that they did not get many outings, & they knew what was expected of them. As for Harris, I read that the girl he was seeing on & off over a ten year period was the daughter of a friend, to whom he later apologised. She was eighteen when their affair began. As for young "ladies". I attended a private girls school, & I can assure you that by the time they reached thirteen years, some of my fellow pupils were quite predatory, & were over the wall to the nearest boys school. There were quite a number of fourteen year olds found to be pregnant.Some girls reached puberty before the age of twelve, & I suppose that was recognised as a reason for early marriage. The boys were the innocents, & easily encouraged.

[@olwens1368]

Yes, also at a girl's school, we were more knowing than our male contemporaries.

[@LOCATION_REDACTED]

I’ve read about as much as I care to about the Harris stuff, but I’m surprised he was even sentenced for anything. I’m not supporting any of his wrongdoings, it just doesn’t add up.

[@wolfie498]

Why did you put victims in quotation marks?

[@martynspooner5822]

If the girl was 18 when she was first with Harris he could not have been charged as whilst being distasteful it is not illegal if the girl was 18 and it was consensual.

[@_Mentat]

If Harris's girlfriend was 18 - why was he even prosecuted?

[@JayjayHarry1]

Isn't it funny that this comes up now.....when Starmer wouldn't prosecure Saville for'lack of evidence'.!

[@CathalMacDomhnaill]

Dr Sir Knighted DJ Jimmy Saville was great mates with Maggie Thatcher, Edwina Curry and King Charles!

[@colinmartin2921]

Some cultures still find twelve year old girls objects of desire, which differentiates the West from the East.

[@clivebaxter6354]

Some religions!

[@paulinebell4873]

by 100 years. not much

[@FART-REPELLENT]

In the UK vast majority of nonces are WHITE BRITISH MEN; therefore it has nothing to do with East or West

[@casafilms]

Yes, those creepy child pageants in America are disgusting

[@dhalsim-1]

Look at the legal ages in some European countries, including the Vatican city

[@MrB1967]

In the 80s The Sun newspaper teased their readers for a week with increasingly scantily clad images of a 15yo schoolgirl before finally publishing topless images on her 16th birthday. Even at the time, we all (my friends and I were a similar age) thought it was noncey.

[@vordman]

It really is an insidious little rag, isn't it. And yet when it suits them they're bastions of morality.

[@quantisedspace7047]

That was tacky to say the least, but even when she was 16, it would be illegal and warrant a prison sentence now. Was this girl actually a willing participant?

[@willemslie]

That was the Daily Star, although The Sun was no better: "She swaps A-Levels for ooh-levels"

[@thedarkdefender7780]

@@vordman Who was the photographer for page 3? Didn't he have a woman's name? He would have been arrested today for the photos he took.

[@thedarkdefender7780]

@@vordman At least it isn't 'woke'. Sam Fox never complained.

[@lostronin380]

If we are to be a commendable modern society, WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN. It's as simple as that Mr Webb. NO EXCUSES. This is one issue where change is clearly needed!

[@Offshoreorganbuilder]

Are you suggesting that someone is making excuses, and what changes do you suggest?

[@lostronin380]

@@Offshoreorganbuilder Are you with the ped's?

[@lostronin380]

@@Offshoreorganbuilder . Is this "OK" for you? Why question?

[@lostronin380]

What was it about what I said that rubbed you up the wrong way?

[@lostronin380]

Of all the ghastly subjects in all the world, why do you have an issue with me speaking out against this one?

[@adenwellsmith6908]

Huw Edwards, not jailed People refusing to fund the BBC and Edwards, jailed. Shows the priorities.

[@TheThinker-ce5kq]

We can just not watch and not pay the licence. I can’t condone or support an organisation that harbours pdfiles.

[@adenwellsmith6908]

@@TheThinker-ce5kq What you can do is spread the word. Defunding by cancelling is the way to go. The reason is that it makes it harder to switch to tax based.

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

Laughing at nonce jokes is laughing at the darkness in society, not applauding it. That sitcom was a comedy not an instruction manual.

[@olwens1368]

I thought it was a funny line at the time and still do.

[@drewtatt6487]

Sid James was the master at lewdness,as a kid I used to pml at him but looking back?

[@billowen497]

Yes definitely a pee take....

[@ghengiscant538]

The actors didn`t write the stuff, they just read the script and got their timing right .

[@phubblewubbphubblewubb]

Look at who controls the banks, media and judicial systems.

[@michaelofsydney6128]

Rolf Harris?

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@whovotedforthat Funny how the j has a very high position of places of power in countries. All the people in the world, but the J has to run their Governments....But weird!!

[@hneek249x]

​@@whovotedforthatYou should not deny the very obvious.

[@stephenspence-d9q]

@@michaelofsydney6128 Lol! Good one.

[@alia9087]

@@suewood8538 Ha! Ha! I just had a memory flashback with the "conversation with your chest". I remember that so well

[@maxpaws3977]

The BBC and the UK judiciary needs to get scrapped. Then recreate a real UK judiciary, Police and national broadcaster. It won't happen but it's the only way.

[@Winstonsmithsalias]

Birds of a feather..

[@everest9707]

I agree. It is doable, but unlikely to happen.

[@tonysheerness2427]

They fooled people by saying that all pillars of society were independent and worked without interference. What a load of BS they are all controlled and do as they are told.

[@megamanmuppet]

The System is completely corrupt.

[@phubblewubbphubblewubb]

The same people fund both, they control the media and the banks too, we've all heard of the money lenders.....

[@weyman4317]

Those old values you mention are still held by many in modern day Rotherham who would probably like the laws on paedophilia relaxed.

[@JamesHodgson-v2r]

Didn’t Bill Wyman who was about 50 years old start seeing Mandy Smith who was only 13 and not get into trouble over it?

[@artyinn1215]

Yes, but he was thrown out of the band for it.

[@JamesHodgson-v2r]

@@artyinn1215 but not arrested

[@duncansteward4331]

and yet Harris got sent to prison for relations with a woman over 18 years of age.

[@PeterBren]

Yes, but she was in a London nightclub, and her mother loved it, encouraged her . . . She ended up with a house.

[@jonsmith20766]

Also his son married her mum. Strange lot

[@jacobs3031]

Mums cousin was told to stay well away from him when he was a dj in Leeds known as a predator even before his fame.

[@alanplumbridge9097]

Well, I’m approaching my 68th birthday and I have to say that I’m completely unfamiliar with the psychology you describe. I have always been perplexed by the idea that children are somehow sexually attractive. It’s completely beyond me. Surely, I’m not in a tiny minority.

[@keijak1]

Simon is right about the 60s and 70s attitudes. There is a line in the 1964 song Kinky Boots by Honour Blackman and Patrick Macnee where he sings 'sexy little schoolgirls' The song was still being played on the radio in 1990 when it was re-released and a big hit. No one batted an eyelid even then. Also in an episode of the Sweeney Carter jokingly remarks to Regan as a bunch of schoolgirls pass 'I could get arrested for what you're thinking..'

[@kimusher823]

'1984' was written because the author worked at BBC, and saw it coming by how they operated .

[@eadweard.]

What's that got to do with Edwards and his noncery?

[@James-o7b3l]

Nah, he was a Fabianist and knew what was coming, as the fabians were the ones pushing it.

[@RevBrotherJackMusick]

Big Brother Corporation

[@hneek249x]

​​@RonP1.2 George Orwell went to Cambridge University where he received mentoring from Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World (from where we get the word dystopia) Cambridge was and is looked upon as the "learning centre" of British spying. Orwell worked as a journalist during the Spanish Civil War whilst being ostensibly a journalist he was also an agent for Mi6..

[@hneek249x]

​@@James-o7b3l The Fabian society, Freemasonary, Common Purpose Marxism, Communism, all part of the same conspiracy.

[@kirpalani-griffin3706]

Surely, the real real reason is that many people who knew didn't care enough to speak up.

[@John.Flower.Productions]

That was during a time when speaking out against such things was not an imprisonable offense.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

If Savile had been arrested, the issue of the identity of the alleged attacker would have to be confirmed. Imagine the sight of the identification parade for this one !

[@MrConan89]

My sister was 'abused' by our father from age 9 to 12. She stopped it of her own accord. THREE years later it came to light because he kept a diary that was found. Life was fine otherwise. She tells me (she is now 80) that she was more traumatised by events afterwards, as you say.

[@weareevil6912]

Because the police , Mps and the royal family were all protecting him

[@michaelfraser5723]

well, he had an EIGHT POINTED STAR

[@kevinparker461]

And we now should be aware that Couzens & Carrick are not the only ones in plod. An ex copper on TV was saying plod is full of perverts!!. Its the old cover story "He wouldn't! , he's a Copper!!", yeah right!!

[@jancuk8881]

It just means that there were always dirty old men around and they found easy employment in the entertainment business and politics and their colleagues all look after them and each other. It was never acceptable in any era, children should always be protected from such adults.

[@philipparker1319]

I remember, as a teenager in the 70s, listening to the DJ John Peele LIVE on air on Radio 1 (after 10pm) saying that when he passed away he would like to come back as a schoolgirl's bicycle saddle.

[@IMAC1776]

Surely the the thing that makes the Likely Lads comment funny is that the viewer knew it was scandalous and wrong? So it’s not like everyone thought there was nothing wrong with them fantasising about school girls it’s just that back then you could joke about things like that whereas nowadays no loveable sitcom character would be allowed to talk like that. I also believe the fact that virtually everyone stays in school until they are 18 these days makes people view people as children longer. In the 60s and 70s many people had left school by the age of 16 and had joined the workforce making them seem more adult than they really were.

[@nigelphillips7405]

I grew up in the sixties and seventies Simon and the only thing which has " rubbed off " on me is disgust!!! I had two teachers at school who were large violent bullies and both hit me at various times with virtually no excuse because I was ( and still am small ) and they knew they could do it, one of them , who still lives, changed my life choices as I did not choose the subject he taught because of his violence.

[@penguinvic9892]

@@suewood8538I wasn’t bless with good looks as a boy, but one female teacher would talk to me with her shoes 👠 👠 touching mine. She was quite good looking, but I found the experience a trifle embarrassing. She got married at the end of the year, and I breathed a sigh of relief at the time. It may have been innocent but even back then I thought it a tad close.

[@barrybark3995]

name him now

[@nigelphillips7405]

@@barrybark3995 I will not name him for obvious reasons, but I would like to look him in the eye and tell him what a BASTARD he was!!

[@mrmyorky5634]

We had a Science teacher in the sixties who made it quite obvious that he had all the time in the world for young girls and none at all for us lads. If we upset him, he would stand behind us and 'accidentally' flick his hot cigarette ash into our hair or down our collars. We were all too terrified of him to ever complain.

[@creightonjason]

I had a teacher in early 80's that was way to friendly with girls (10 - 13) and the way he used to pick them up (hands under their arms fingers around..) used horrify us boys.

[@Treblaine]

50 years from now people will look back at the surgery being done to children today with as much shock, they will say "why didn't they stop it?"

[@martynspooner5822]

As someone who was around in the 70s I do not remember this being the general attitude and a nonce was a nonce back then as far as I remember and my memory is fine. When you are a teenager fancying a 16 year girl at least some of them was not uncommon but that is not what most people mean when referring to these beasts.

[@Mr.Grimsdale]

Nonces were dealt with in prisons in the 70's, the wardens would look the other way.

[@rustle2]

The now king not only protected jimmy but held him as a close friend and royal confidant and advisor during most of those offending years. Dont we need to probe further......

[@harold6863]

If I were Charles I would be very embarrassed. I think noncing runs in the family 😂

[@Wavygravydressedinnavy]

I read this essay yesterday and found it very enlightening.

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

I'm glad that you found it worth reading.

[@anth5122]

Jill Dando new… enough said

[@thomasrobert4654]

lots of sweeping under the carpet reported but not acted upon.

[@meisterlymanu5214]

yes though she was the 90s, and by then it had spread too high for her to live. The 80s institutionalized it all, bringing royalty, celebs and key public sector figures into allignment. Then the police, to lock it all into place. Try busting that lot Jill.

[@harryboy3305]

Knew not new

[@maxhammer4067]

Finding out rolf harris was a villan was a tough one to swallow, i loved rolf when i was a kid 😢

[@frankreynolds4547]

Don't feel so hard done by, at least you didn't invest in his artwork like muggings here is I bought Three for just over a grand. They are unmistakably good and the gallery I bought them from did leave me with the consolatory thought that had they been Hitler's "what do you think they would be worth now?". They didn't want to take a chance themselves though so in the attic they will remain for now.

[@maxhammer4067]

@@frankreynolds4547 Where did you get them from castle art shop, I was gona buy a dylan but all the signatures on castle art work are fake, all signed by a robotic hand, 🤖

[@medwayhospitalprotest]

Stuart Hall was the newreader for our regional news - Look Northwest. So I didn't just have Rolf, Saville, Glitter and him on Its A Knockout, he was on my telly most weekdays. I'm furious that they spoiled my childhood with all these perverts -- and its still going on! Something that I didn't doubt, but hate to see confirmed all the same. n.b. I've also not paid my licence fee since finding out.

[@penguinvic9892]

@@frankreynolds4547The point is if we didn’t like a painting 🖼 or music 🎶 or a book 📖 or a movie 🎥 because the originator was not a nice person, chances are we wouldn’t have much in the way of entertainment (and that’s just for the people who got caught !). There’s a certain German dictator who was an averagely good painter and a few of his works are good enough to grace a home wall (if you didn’t know the painter). Some of his work was good enough to inspire forgeries. If a Harris painting inspired a certain admiration at the time of purchase, I’d be inclined to hang it somewhere in my home, say, my office, maybe not in the lounge room.

[@barrybark3995]

his neighbour of 25yrs ,sheila ferguson,told me lot more to it

[@davey1602]

My father used to talk about these famous kiddy diddlers in another way; "what do you expect when you're surrounded by adoring teenagers, wanting their 15 mintues of fame?" I do not excuse their behaviour either. If I can maintain my self control after becoming a step-father to two teens, I should think it would be easy for those tasked with more responsibility. All I'm saying is we do not afford enough agency to youngsters because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions.

[@stepchicken3238]

I remember there were Govt Information Films, on TV, directing parents to instruct children not to talk to strangers: Men lurking around school entrances, parks, lonely places, etc. I'm not sure the word paedophile was commonly used then? It was mainly those in positions of power or trust who tended to get away with assaults, e.g,. teachers, relatives. Unfortunately, twenty or so years ago, things reached such a fever-pitch that any man walking alone was a suspect.

[@zaraNFC]

At least Harris went to prison, and was still around to be publicly shamed.

[@adrianparker-e9f]

I was wondering how much effect this did have on him though ? How did people who knew him, friend, family take it ? He was quite old and away from tv when this came out, so many wouldn't know of him. And the things that came out were a long time ago, so if you knew him for a long time how would this seem ?

[@AJC298]

I cancelled my TV License 6 years ago and I’m glad I did. I will never fund an organisation like the BBC again.

[@Fazerjon]

I haven't had a TV licence for over 20 years - hence why I wasn't brainwashed regarding convid-19 and other frauds committed by this corrupt system. Defund the BBC physop station!

[@ant7936]

You may be surprised where your money eventually goes! But I know what you mean.

[@melvinp1324]

@@ant7936 ye like funding project that never get to the projects// red nose day proime example - live aid another

[@willyknickers9295]

Now you just have to cancel your taxes :)

[@melvinp1324]

@@willyknickers9295 i think that can be done now too as they are breaking treaties

[@johnfrancis2215]

To be honest, i was shocked about Rolf Harris. He seemed a decent sort of guy. Unlike Saville who i never liked

[@jenniferbate9682]

Yes, I really lovedRolf Harris as a younger teenager. He was very talented. I was very sad to hear about his less admirable features.

[@robertbrown3413]

Conviction aside, Rolf Harris was a genuinely talented entertainer, appearing on primetime TV 2 years before. Unlike Sa-vile who I never liked either.

[@pastcontrolsfuture]

Rolf Harris conviction was seriously unsafe and the only charge involving an actual child was overturned on appeal. Three further trials on multiple charges less to all Not guilty verdicts. He said he was well accepted in prison so the old lags who do not usually like child accused clearly did not accept the verdicts.

[@brianterence3211]

Rolf was a trainee teacher at Perth's Claremont Teachers College in 1950. He was a friend of my brother at the time who said Rolf was a talented teacher and a decent fellow . What changed him ( if at all ? )

[@chrissheppard5068]

The Public School system produced a lot of deviants who went on to high places who then lent protection a full circle of crime. Getting buggered was considered quite the norm then becoming the giver.

[@justjim3168]

He had the support of the then Prince Charles. Chaz had his mummy give Jimmy a knighthood for 'services rendered' to the english royals.

[@jujubees5855]

And Andy had a similar friend with Island Boi. Debauchery runs through the generations.

[@drewtatt6487]

Uncle Louie a very shady character

[@ianasquith3902]

I'm 59. Talking about this with my 81 year old mum, she said, " Things were different back then"

[@MYCROFTonX]

I have a psychologist friend and his university studied the BBC thing, but the results were NOT published. But my big take-away from what he learned from it was that Savile was 'wide ranging' in his proclivities (age independent) and that the others at the BBC had 'Lolita Syndrome' in various guises. I know this much, the study concluded one thing amongst many, but the one told me seemed to tell me everything... the BBC rolled out Glitter Stories at every occasion the police got close to Savile, I checked that for myself, not believing it... it's true, they used the pawns to protect their King.

[@AngelBaby-cp6kf]

What are Glitter Stories?

[@MYCROFTonX]

@@AngelBaby-cp6kf The BBC had what seems like a random effect of rolling out a story about Gary Glitter just as the papers or cops started looking at them or Savile. From the moment GG's computer was opened they had the means to divert and they did exactly that. 15 coincidences are not coincidences at all, it showed a contingency plan to protect Savile was in place.

[@andrewwhite6895]

Surely schools and parents must take some responsibility? Seeing what young girls are wearing to school these days is shocking - skirts so short that they are hardly there. Why would you let your daughter dress like that?

[@PE-dq2em]

But the connection between Savile and others is ... Buckingham Palace.

[@joline2730]

LW: goes right to the top 😏

[@karyne826]

There does appear to be connections with shady people and some members of RF. This all makes me think of the McCann case too.

[@gary1961]

@@karyne826 Yes. Look at their connection with the prime minister at the time, Blair, plus his replacement, Gordon Brown. And don't forget the fact that prince Charles' private yacht was moored near Praia da Luz around the time of the alleged 'abduction.'

[@adamnbayley]

When I was a child, I was invited to a show of Rolf Harris and the Black and White Minstrels in London. Little did I know...

[@remi4378]

Muslims carry the torch now.

[@leannedonato2657]

Great video as always Simon ❤ if u don’t mind me asking what happened to your nose 😢x

[@RolandoRatas]

'Cover Up' was a 1980s TV series and also a BBC policy.

[@mariaefelices6543]

Simon dont worry about keyboard trollers ,you are a treasure of truth

[@markbailey972]

He knew (metaphorically)where all the body's where buried.

[@chuckufarley5884]

I think the whole "sexy schoolgirl' (squeakies as we called them in the 70's) thing was something that the majority went along with just to fit in with the perceived social norm.

[@Rose-zw2oe]

I'm from a different generation .When school girls through eggs flour +ink at you .We also were known for wearing the most unflattering attire. Known to make most run a mile 😅Best Wishes 🌹

[@scottgraham1143]

At my school in Maidenhead we had a scandal when the girls took to wearing black bras under their white blouses. The school banned the wearing of black bras and the girls went on a protest. The national press had a field day reporting on 'black bra'd lolitas'.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

It continued well into the 80’s; in the form of a pop song by a TV celebrity could have been Timmy Mallet.

[@chuckufarley5884]

@@scottgraham1143 The original bra burners?

[@chuckufarley5884]

@@Rose-zw2oe Box pleat gymslip?

[@nicky5185]

I am not sure what is worst, either allowing 12 yo child to be married, or to reduce the age of consent to 12. In the first place, the man has legal obligations towards the child, and whilst this is not at all ideal, at least gives some protection. As you said, it is how life was back then. But simply reducing the age of consent to 12, i.e. allowing sexual intercourse with young child at the age of 12, opens the door to abuse.

[@iridescentsea3730]

it probably can't work with the nuclear family model. people are so isolated these days; it removes accountability. but in a multigenerational household, such a young marriage would be a lot safer, because more parties are involved to keep an eye on things and hold people to account.

[@urbanguy999]

👍👍👍 Morning Simon

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Good morning!

[@miamitten1123]

Just like the ‘newsreader’ Huw getting a suspended sentence.

[@billburnhope2176]

Nothing seems to be off limits for some!

[@johngallacher8847]

It is all to do with power and not societal norms.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Eric Gill statue anyone?

[@mariaefelices6543]

Yes paedophile sculptor who slept with his two daughters and the family dog ,statue outside bbc hq london still there !!why? Public demand to remove it? Still they refuse to take it down,worrying!

[@bobtbtownsend]

You are a modern sage dear Simon.

[@eileenspamer-kw3kz]

ccorrect

[@derekcable]

The original 70s film with Michael Cain "Get Cater" had a part in it about adult/child porn, quite shocking for the subject to be put in a film of the time.

[@somethingwentwrong3298]

Get Carter even. Great film.

[@derekcable]

@@somethingwentwrong3298 absolutely 👍

[@FART-REPELLENT]

1971, not 60’s

[@garyowen4602]

​@@FART-REPELLENT He said seventies.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

@@garyowen4602 He changed it to 70’s; in the original comment before he edited it he stated 60’s.

[@Beliefisthedeathofintellect]

No excuses a monster is a monster. All those who feel it's not his fault need a prison cell to live in

[@pdizzle7111]

I remember going on a school camping trip in the late 70s (I was 13/14 at the time) to a place called Hales Hall near Cheadle. There was a big bearded camp leader there who would sit the boys on his knee and stroke their hair. The teachers just let it happen! I wonder what else happened that I didn't see!

[@delbertstringbreaker7686]

The way things are going I fully expect the minimum age for marriage to be reduced, within the next 20 years, to 14 - and a man will be allowed up to four wives...

[@annpowell8599]

I grew up in the 70s and my memory is of decent, respectable people concerned at the rapidly growing permissive society. The examples you give are programmes made by the BBC… but you know that. With hindsight, we could have saved ourselves a lot of heartache if we’d listened to Mary Whitehouse.

[@anthonyclarke5579]

From St Trinians to Cancelling Desmond.🤔

[@HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb]

Just so!

[@vordman]

Who's Desmond?

[@anthonyclarke5579]

@@vordman Cancelling Desmond is a 4 part series from ITV based on changing attitudes in society, promoting WOKE and exploiting damaging misogyny in the work space.

[@doloresaquines1529]

Check out Kincora Boys Home (N. Ireland). At least 29 boys were abused at Kincora Boys' Home from the 1950s to the 1980s. William McGrath, Raymond Semple and Joseph Mains, who were senior care staff at Kincora, were jailed in 1981 for abusing 11 boys. The three men have since died. There is a lot more to this murky story than might first seem. As subsequent investigation showed.

[@kevinclark1992]

The establishment don't seem to find these types of crimes as abhorrent as the rest of us do. Makes me wonder?

[@georgemcnally4473]

A very touchy subject Simon, so I understand your reluctance. I think that what many people are currently sensing, and probably accurately so, is that those in powerful positions seem particularly prone to these deviations and often to particularly young children, even below the age of 12 that you mention. Because of this, we seem to have an ongoing move to redefine and recategorise notions related to being attracted to young children; Minor Attracted Persons would be one of several examples of this process. Much the same has been tried with the somewhat mad notion that people can change sex. To this day there is still very strong resistance but the redefinition of terms and notions we thought we had clearly understood for centuries is part of the process.

[@interman7715]

Both Princes were best buds with the two most infamous peedos in modern history ,one was even knighted by mummy ,interesting hey ?

[@terencemullins1422]

Bbc and Governments go hand in hand

[@tonicbottle]

In 1275, the first age of consent was set in England, at age 12 (Statute of Westminster I). In 1875, the Offences Against the Person Act raised the age to 13 in Great Britain and Ireland, and ten years later the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 raised it to 16.