High Dose TRT - How Much is Too Much? Testosterone Replacement Therapy - High Dose Test Long Term

High Dose TRT. How much is too much for Testosterone Replacement Therapy TRT?
Can we sustain high dose test long term? Are high serum testosterone levels (1200-1700ng/dl) safe long term? Gil T explains!
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[@teejtheman6591]

Nailed it again Gil, thanks for taking the time.

[@walterwayne5047]

Spoken very well.Get back to the 3 keys, 1-Working out properly , 2-A good diet, 3- quality sleep.

[@lpalmeri600]

Great advice. Its the whole picture. You have to put in the work.

[@ludobmw540i]

Great advice!!

[@juiced71]

💯💯💯 well said !

[@cadillacsmith5339]

Great video!

[@paddys5119]

Thank ye lads good talk appreciated

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ObeytheRussianBlue]

Smart comments; we appreciate your directness and judgment!!! Thank you! Dr Rocket 🚀

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

I appreciate that

[@ArsenalAK47AZ]

Excellent advice!

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Glad you think so!

[@ObeytheRussianBlue]

Great analysis! I truly feel better and function better when T is over 1,000 in my blood-I’m 73, and last physical with my ultra conservative PCP YIELDED “ideal” blood panel and annual physical results (my T is prescribed by my naturopathic physician, not the PCP)! I would love to come back in 25 years with data, but that would make me 98, and I’m sure I’ll be dead by then. Thanks for your excellent content and sound counsel! Dr Rocket 🚀

[@Carekoso]

Whoa. 73? How is going?

[@Sweet_TRT]

Refreshing to hear this. Too many people want more and more with TRT instead of sorting their diet, training and sleep out.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

👍

[@barrie888]

Dr Devos is a good host - gives his guest some direction then lets them get on with it with minimal interference ans showing respect though he may not necessarily agree

[@ImTheBlade65]

Extremely well put. The great legends of bodybuilding in the 70's used substantially less than the recreational users of today.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Sure thing!

[@spanishh2001]

good video....am on TRT @ 200mg test. cypinate once a week....on my 7th day...am in the 700's free ...been on this dose for almost 2 yrs.....feeling good

[@Asdfbedffhdsxe345]

I’ve blasted on 2100mg Test per week. I didn’t believe that less was more on TRT....how wrong is was.... I did a personal experiment to find my minimum effective dose ( over 4 months)I’m currently feeling lovely on 140mg per week. I’m 44 feeling great and looking quite good and my bloods are great too... No more silly cycles for me Awesome video

[@TheRealRazhel]

but did u get hOOOGE?

[@playboicarlos]

2100mg Test per week on a first cycle ?

[@foxxrider250r]

More people need to see this. Its not a linear curve with Test....Low Low dose is exponentially better than high doses when considering benefits to risk ratio

[@Curtis_George]

Thanks for just giving information as unbiased & objective as possible. I get so tired of hearing fear mongering when it comes to this topic. Between listening to doctors that seem like they're reading from a script & really bitchy, whiney guys that want an excuse as to why they look like shit, I've become numb when this topic comes up. I appreciate you!

[@barrie888]

same for me -less was more, felt great on one dose , tried to double my test dose as a trial to feel like superman -but libido went down not up , back to a lower trt dose and libido is great again

[@thestalionmassimo]

Dokter looking jacked! Great video

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

+chainsawkiller Thanks

[@19PSIWRX]

Preach, brother. T is not a miracle drug. Prioritize diet, sleep, stress management, and busting your ass training over T, or any other type of gear for that matter.

[@rileywhitney9580]

I'm 25, TT level was 128. I knew I felt super shitty for 2 or 3 years. Brushed it off thinking that's how I was supposed to feel. Fast forward... doc gave me 200mg a week for 3 weeks, felt AMAZING my 3rd week. Cut my dose to 100mg a week, felt like shit again. Now thankfully he bumped me back to 200mg this week. Its nice feeling like I'm supposed to

[@martinnichols45]

If your doc would have done the opposite (start at a low dose and increase if needed ) you probably would have felt as good at a lower dose . We call that "optimizing" your TRT.

[@newyorkforever5779]

​@@martinnichols45 every dude is different, i started two months ago at 140mg a week and its def not enough for me.

[@teamstrength77]

Dialling my test levels i with mojo clinic already feel better , bloods soon so we can make things better . Love the Chanel.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Bryan Strength Thank you for sharing!

[@michailtsepas2744]

170mg a week I have found that is the perfect dose in order to feel good and not have side effects. I will try to get 140 and see if it affects me. I believe the most safe way to do it for your rest of your life is to find the lowest dose that you feel good and be sustainable without any risks.

[@Kstephens07]

I completely agree, and the more frequently you inject the lower your dose will be as well. When I did 200mg divided into twice a week vs 150mg eod my test levels are about the same on my trough day.

[@Kstephens07]

qsdailydose Currenly I am not taking anything to control E2. I find that the more frequent dosing actually gives me less E2 side effects, I have found for myself personally, that doing one or two shots a week is what causes my sides associated with high E2. Injecting every other day keeps blood levels very stable. I feel that whenever someone typically gets sides from test it’s mostly due to injecting large amounts which then causes a very high peak in E2 and testosterone followed by a big drop in both hormones.

[@Kstephens07]

qsdailydose you probably don’t need to be taking anything to control your E2 with that dose. Give it a shot for about 4 weeks and take note of how you currently feel and how you feel without anything to control E2. Since you’re injecting everyday you blood levels are stable so you’re less likely to notice any sides of high E2. Also, E2 isn’t necessarily a bad thing, there’s a lot of health benefits associated with it. What’s most important is how you feel and your health markers- blood pressure, hematocrit, cholesterol, triglycerides, thyroid function etc.

[@Kstephens07]

qsdailydose I was in the same position as you when I started TRT. Over thinking things can definitely lead to ED. Another part of the equation is your body composition, the higher the body fat percentage the more likely you are to make more E2. If you’re over 15% bf try cutting down and you should have less aromatization. When it comes to TRT you have to be patient. Drop the supplements that you’re using to control your E2 and just see how you feel. If your libido is still low and your free t is below 25 you could try upping your test dosage a little from 22mg to 25mg and maybe even 30mg.

[@WJHandyDad]

the hardest thing for most to believe is that more is not always better. Each of us will have an ideal level where we feel best on. It also seems that the leaner you get, the less T you need to feel optimum

[@christopherszwargulski7920]

We just upped to 280. At 240 (120 x2) I came in at 690 with 17 free t. I think I just may be one of the outliers. She said she often sees resolution in the low 20’s free t so here’s to hoping.

[@commantrosexetlos4700]

Is that normal from trt gel with even less than the suggested dose..my test is 1154 ng dl

[@jamesjdm]

I'm on 200mg/l a week and I'm EXHAUSTED it's too high and I'm going to go back byo 100

[@jakerusty123]

Can you share with us your personal use protocol ?

[@raymondsalazar5291]

I have CAH you can google it its a rare condition hormone related. Ive been on TRT for almost 2 years. When I started I was on 180mg and every 6 weeks my blood work came back 29 free test and 770 total. my Endo recently has made two decreases in my weekly shot because for some strange reason at 140mg per week of Testosterone my current blood work shows free testosterone level is 46.5 and total is 1400 now. Hormones are a hell of thing, living with CAH makes things even more complicated.

[@arcltdandy]

I feel best at 12.5mg test enathate subcutaneous with an insulin needle daily. my levels are at every blood test between 860-900 ng/ml. I did 30 blood test over last 4 years. tried all protocols but find out for myself this works best. all blood lipids normal . if I go higher hdl drops .52 years old 103kg 16% bodyfat bench 170kg

[@christhompson7355]

Interesting

[@artshahnazarianesq.6774]

I started TRT 1-7-22 at 200mg per week, twice-a-week injections of 100mg (1/2 cc) each. I felt fine but the numbers were over 10k. And, I got immediate gyno. I gradually lowered the dose from 200mg per week to 160mg, then down to 120mg, and now on 100mg a week (still twice-a-week injections) over the course of 4+ months. I seem to feel the same but the gyno is almost entirely gone. Will test soon again and report back.

[@longjonz88]

any updates on labs? i started 3-11-22 at 60 mg per week only once per week which was crazy and then went t0 60mg twice weekly for total of 120 a week then 160 per week split in half twice a week and now finally 200 mg per week

[@skinfiddler]

Mine was started too high (imo) 180mg/week, 2xs/week (Test Cyp 200mg/ml) My T checked last week was over 1500! Higher than I really want to be and pretty high for a 69yo guy who isn't a bodybuilder but does work out. Also having considerable anxiety 20-30 hrs post injection. I'm dialing back the dose as Dr hasn't provided guidance and I don't have an appt for another month.

[@timtim-hf3ut]

Mine was way to high I was prescribed 200mg week I cut it to about 80. Super anxiety and paranoia. My thoughts were very negative. Low dose is best for me. 44 yo

[@CaneFu]

Who in the world put you 360mg per week? That was almost a steroid cycle, not TRT.

[@devonbishop5191]

If it's two three days after injection I get this on test cyp cause it starts to decrease. Maybe do same dose per week but inject every other day . This helps with anxiety and mood flows for me. Just an opinion.

[@demiwalsh3895]

nice video!!! 🏆🏆🏆

[@BillyJ10]

in my amateur opinion. Your test level is something you shouldn't fuck with. Get it dialed in & optimized & if your looking for "more" muscle, fat loss, etc.. look to add something else to your trt but leave your test levels dialed in & stable

[@Uprising771]

he made a great point: most ppl don't train or eat right and think they need more anabolics..

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

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[@abcdefgh4404]

Yeah…one thing is to take 200mg and seat all day long versus taking 200 mg and training 6x week and have sex all week long

[@feelthethunder119]

How do I know how much mg I need to hit a certain number of total T?

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[@Laststepp]

Was at 250ng/dl Got to 1100ng/dl: was good Played with 1500ng/dl: nopeee

[@OGAesthetics]

what differences did u notice at 1500ng compared to 1100ng?

[@Laststepp]

@@OGAesthetics aggressive amounts of bacne, labs for heart issues were increased, a bit of anger issues, 0 patience.

[@dezadeza6248]

I’m taking 160 test e a week my oestrogen 373pmol Test 52.0 nmol Shbg 22 nmol Free test 1905 pmol that’s how they measuring in Australia. I feeling great but I also know it’s to high. By the way I don’t what 52.0 nmol mean in milligram 🙁 I hope someone can good idea about my issues. Cheers 🙏

[@EatMyPropwash]

I’m on 300 mg/wk and I can say…. I’m going down to 200 or maybe even lower. Why? My sleep is horrendous, lethargic all day, back acne is getting worse, little anxiety, low libido and erection quality is not there.

[@travisrichardson6233]

What is your test level though? NG/DL? Everyone gets hung up on the milligrams.

[@Armzilla-]

Gil T looking like the Ben Affleck of TRT BEN AFLEX 😝

[@Willthethrill478]

And the TRT “stone cold Steve Austin” dermatologist

[@therombaro]

I see Ryan Reynolds myself. He’s like a blend of the two

[@christianbolt5761]

I was going to leave the same comment

[@johnhalchishick7094]

From a doctor check stand point should I back off a week before test so I don't go over the normal limits . also am I better off splitting up the 200 a week or doing 100 twice a week.I feel like my work outs suffer when I do all 200 at once

[@joesmith6886]

I was on 200mg Cypionate IM per week and split it into 100 mg every 3 to 4 days, free test was better and less estrogen conversion, less fluctuation in levels.

[@DrewElderkin]

I'm a little late on this but perhaps this will help others with the same question. YES! It helps bigtime. Even my doctor said it a much better practice. Once I started going at 2 x 100 per week I noticed I didn't have my body temperature all out of whack. It feels more normal. All around it's always safer to spread medications out if you have the option. It's less stress on everything.

[@loscriticssupreme931]

I started almost 2 weeks ago on prescribed trt. I'm on 100mg twice per week and need to get blood work done in June. My free T levels before were almost at the baseline, bio T level almost at the baseline. Total T however was 420. I have all the symtoms of low T. I have an AI on hand however was told not to take it unless symptoms started before my labs. I feel fine two weeks in. How long do estrogen side effects tend to take to surface on trt?? if at all?

[@johnort1366]

How do u feel 10 months later?

[@loscriticssupreme931]

@@johnort1366 Feeling great. Lost fat, gained muscle. Down to 140mg a week maintenance.

[@johnort1366]

@@loscriticssupreme931 that’s great to hear.

[@3270kdogg]

my free T is very low. what's the best way to raise it? I feel pretty good but not great taking 140mg a wk. i ask because i want to feel all the benefits of TRT

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[@FreedomFox1]

Without seeing your numbers... you probably just need a higher dose (talk to your doctor). BTW, the Facebook group is highly recommended!

[@APR702]

Learn your shbg level. That is what will tell you how often you need to inject . If it’s on the lower end 10-25 you should dose multiple times a week like 70mg twice or 45mg 3x . If it is higher than 35 and above a bigger once a week or twice a week dose will be better for you. From someone who knows what it feels like . Good luck

[@DeeneMuada]

bor is a supplement that lowers shbg.

[@davincibz1]

You know what? I have felt my best when on 3-400 mg of cyp a week.

[@fedeuma]

45 yr. old, 10% body-fat, 190 lbs, total T: 637, Free T: 12, FSH: 4.3 LH: 4.3, PSA: 0.1, a bit anemic, other markers look great! From experience, how much TRT should they prescribe??

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

+fedeuma Depends who “they” are...

[@martinnichols45]

Since you are in a normal range , a real doctor would have a hard time justifying putting you on TRT . If you're bloodwork would show that you are hypogonadal then, it would be different . My opinion: appreciate what you have right now and enjoy your health .

[@martinnichols45]

When I was young and smoking a pack of cigarettes /day , I still felt great . It's longterm that the problems can occur. Of course , there is always the people gifted with great genetics who smoked 2 packs/day and lived to reach 80, 90+ yrs old. The thing is do you want to risk jeopardizing your health and cut back on your potential longevity? Higher testosterone levels , higher IGF-1 levels , more muscle mass , more proteins to maintain that mass , more stress on your organs etc....

[@fedeuma]

TRT and Hormone Optimization so they don’t want to put me on TRT. I was hoping they would. Really wanted to be on and maybe take my physique to a higher level. Is there anyone out there that would put me on TRT?

[@fedeuma]

Martin Nichols thanks man! I appreciate your take on this!

[@fl676]

KZbinr Greg douceette agrees with u , higher dosage is not always better , go with lower dosage and think of longevity .

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Frank Lentini Thank you for sharing!

[@christianbolt5761]

I’m on a little over 200mg. Felt bad at just 200. In the hope to get my dose lower, i am looking at other actions to improve symptoms causes. Improving my sleep with a CPAP has helped, also looking at other lifestyle changes to optimize. Bottom line, is there may be more underlying causes than just low T for your symptoms and you may be masking them with TRT.

[@brandolifts7928]

test is best

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Definitely

[@Venom1two3]

Genetics being equal Subject A taking 100-150 mg week and eating perfect and training like a beast will look way way better then Subject B taking 250 mg week but with a shit diet and lazy training Perfectly said an extra 50 mg a week is not going to get your your dream physique

[@The_Handsom_Italian]

Subject C at 250 mg a week with good diet and training blows both of them out of the water

[@Venom1two3]

@@The_Handsom_Italian Black dude with great genetics Doing calisthenics eating fried food Beats all 3

[@Carekoso]

@@Venom1two3 no. This is just r4cism of your part. Probably you are a bl4k person and are coping? Because if so, you may know lots of guys of your type that dont have great genetics.

[@scottswan7830]

@@Venom1two3 oh FCK stop with the BS.

[@malekmalek9064]

👍

[@AlphaKid100]

Now i know! Ben Affleck is on TRT 💪😂

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

AlphaKid100 Thank you for sharing! 😆

[@929omg]

Question, my trt provider dint offer hcg and I’m 4 months in, so I went online orders from UK but some hcg medications come in different quantities of IU 10k or even 5k . My question is how do I include that in my trt and can what happens if you inject like ui10,000? Although I’ve been researching topical dose is 1k to 2k per week . Hope you all can understand what I’m trying to say. TY

[@drewdavis9657]

Hcg is more appropriate at a much lower 750mcg dose every other day tapering down 250mcg one to two weeks all AFTER being OFF exo test for 18days

[@retroal]

Just wondering if someone could have a look at my bloods that i got back, they said its very high, im 45 years old 15 stone , im taking some black market test ,3.5 of a insuline needle 3 times a week, Albumin 44.3 35 - 50 g/L Hormones Testosterone H 99.00 8.64 - 29 nmol/L SHBG 27 18.3 - 54.1 nmol/L Free Androgen Index H 365.3 24 - 104 Ratio Free-Testosterone(Calculated) H 3.270 0.2 - 0.62 nmol/L

[@AsdfGhjkl-bj3ei]

Love this channel but I find there’s way too much mention of high doses. Just call it a low dose cycle and not trt.

[@jamesjdm]

But it isn't ffs Test isn't the only drug in a cycle There are at least 4 to 6 others in a cycle

[@HikeRx]

my endocrinologist is way too conservative. He has me on 40 mg IM once a week. Too low IMO.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Agree. Thank you for the comments, always helping to boost the algorithm! 💪

[@brandolifts7928]

that's chemical castration bro wtf

[@Rakusa1337]

this way your test production shuts down and you are probably even below your natural test... this is bullshit

[@mikaelsnake]

Might as well just do squats. Same testosterone increase.

[@mynameiswrm]

Is your endocrinologist a Trans cisgender lesbagaybian furry?

[@totallyraw1313]

Hey Gil, get a dog up ya man! lol

[@riggs9688]

Since the gyms opened up here I bumped my TRT up to 300mgs and its pretty good. My levels are at 1200ng/dl

[@rileywhitney9580]

Damn, thats pretty much my level at 200mg

[@Garabins1]

Riley Whitney damn those are my levels at 100mg lol

[@rileywhitney9580]

@garabin, must be nice! I wish I could pin 100mg

[@martinnichols45]

@@rileywhitney9580 Very unlikely that he is at 1200 with only 100mg/day.......

[@riggs9688]

@@martinnichols45 Yea my doctors think I metabolize it very quickly.

[@cristobal.palmero4919]

is 250mg of Sustanon a lot?

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

It depends....

[@vrsimulo1234]

Weird question bro

[@cristobal.palmero4919]

@@vrsimulo1234 how weird?

[@bjrnsvendsen7661]

Not realy 😊

[@bicephead]

250mg enanthate per week 125mg mon/thurs Puts me at total 1008ng/dl Free T 30.8ng/dl trough

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Looks great

[@hunkschannel]

awesome, I just started that does but the 250mg in one shot a week

[@Joe-sq9tl]

Im taking 400 a week spit 4 times and im at 925. Why do i need some much to get a decent level?

[@zmb5501]

Is it from a pharmacy?

[@Joe-sq9tl]

@@zmb5501 yeah its a prescription

[@mikea1534]

I do 100 weekly an my total was 1588 but I felt better on 200, however my estrogen might be too high that’s why I’m not feeling 💯 percent

[@roguejimo736]

Androgen receptor sensitivity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoauqo2voZ5nnrs

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Watch our new video on exactly this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXnKmKtmfcSEpc0si=_o38qLkp8wVQ0FkK

[@christianyoung405]

im at self administered trt going on 3 years so far. hovering at 250mg a week bu ive been at 1000 over the course of a few months as well and I feel no difference.

[@Caspaah151]

Geez, 7 minutes of walking around the question...

[@mindfulness_channel7641]

I take 1000 nebido every 5 weeks and I feel like crap my moods are all over the place

[@onlyhuman9986]

Vig Ked test E weekly !!? Please....do some research

[@-whackd]

Yeah, your doses are too far apart. Self administer your own dosage protocol of 0.2ml of T400 to your love handles, as a subcutaneous injection via insulin syringe, twice per week. T400 is an underground lab steroid blend with 400mg of testosterone per ml. If you need to improve your sleep or recovery, I recommend you look into MK677.

[@keithrichard391]

Nutrition is 85% of the equation

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

👍

[@tyv1383]

Lol no but it is good for overall Health

[@keithrichard391]

@@tyv1383 I started eating whole/organic foods at each meal.. and now I can lift 20% more weights in the gym and have sooo much more energy for a 58 yr old

[@v05555]

People who deny this just don't want to eat well.

[@keithrichard391]

@@v05555 food is medicine!!

[@-whackd]

I just add in sarms instead of more testosterone.

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Why?

[@drewdavis9657]

SARMS makes the exo test more bio available, sure. Also multiplies side effects and makes recovering much more difficult. Not advised

[@GJ-DT]

@@TRTandHormoneOptimization exactly!!! Sarms over test? Thats stupid.

[@NB-sq7ui]

250 a week isnt enough in my opinion..

[@michaelaiello02]

lol what?? thats a mini steroid cycle

[@adam_bbing]

@@michaelaiello02 200/w puts me at 650 total day before injection. Each person needs a different amount. You might be fine on 100, others might need 300.

[@chelious1973]

@@adam_bbing. Me too. Taking 180lbs a week my levels are at 600 total the day before. 👍

[@michaelaiello02]

@São João do mundo no one needs 200mg a week if dosing 2x a week i promise lol. less than 2%

[@michaelaiello02]

@São João do mundo I am saying most people taking near 200ml a week will easily be above the T range on a blood test. these people saying they take 200 arent giving us enough detail. are they taking 200 every 2 weeks? then yes it is enough but a terrible protocol.

[@mattyking6141]

It’s not TRT if it’s a high dose

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

And what if people need high dose to have normal levels and symptom alleviation?

[@abcdefgh4404]

I choose symptoms over numbers

[@edwardwhite221]

I like 500 mg for trt myself and I'm older and need it. Bloods great

[@TRTandHormoneOptimization]

Edward White Thank you for sharing!

[@commantrosexetlos4700]

Don't forget that 300 to 1200dlng its too new.. Before the low was 500..we are declining and they declined and the numbers too.. Toxic masculinity remember? Take it 800 at least and see

[@hasanmatar9017]

500 weekly? Not sure if it's TRT

[@DeRock401]

@@hasanmatar9017 lol it’s not 😊

[@abcdefgh4404]

Regarding these guys who say it is not TRT….it is better live a healthy life on those numbers than live a mediocre live on the range.