High Elo Advanced Top lane Wave Management: How to get Prio in Bad Matchups

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[@EragonUK]

Just something i forgot to add, the reason level 3 is so big is because a level is worth roughly 600g of stats, that's well over a kill's worth of gold. So you get prio easily.

[@evilinside3455]

The voli played very poorly overall, not just the wave crash, he theoretically could have traded with u there when you were lvl 3 to his 2 and come out ahead since he would hit 3 off the residual AoE damage on the wave and be able to force an extension with a W

[@ryanrutherford6518]

I’ve done this a few times but never knew why or how I’ve done it. Makes so much sense now.

[@Scheater1337]

Same. I oftentimes just intuitively do those "bad" trades to pull the wave into pushing to me and I kinda know that it sets up a smooth path to L6 without my jungler running me down, but I couldn't figure out why.

[@andrewelymedina6381]

Great content! Reminds me of Coach Curtis, but for top laners! Beautiful.

[@juandavidindigoyen5701]

Do you know if there is a coach curtis but for adc/supp?

[@andrewelymedina6381]

@@juandavidindigoyen5701 Try Arrow, a korean youtuber who makes sensational adc guides. I'm not familiar for supports though sorry.

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[@juandavidindigoyen5701]

@@andrewelymedina6381 Thanks, mate

[@forgedwithsteel]

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[@henrikh3089]

Very interesting. I often find myself crashing second wave as Volibear and it feels so bad. Now I know why.

[@urgle6228]

Can't believe this information is for free! You're the best!!

[@user-te1ib4bs7r]

I did make my little top lane tactic note on my own when I was crazy about this game(I am still tho) and I was thinking that crashing 2nd wave right into opponents tower is not a good idea 'cause it will give the opponent chance to hit level 3 first in a safe position near his turret, and I'm amazed that I made the same conclusion with someone professional in this game

[@VallheimTheViking]

Thanks you for these precious informations, I hope you'll continue your videos they are so informative and well structured !

[@tylnedriavalendorf]

I would like to add that you shouldn't always go for crab if your mid doesn't have prio because after we kill some melee minions from the 3rd wave, our minion wave is slowpushing to the enemy tower, dying in the river in that situation is very risky, because if you lose the top and jg vs mid and jg, it could be very hard to tp back, because they will be around still.

[@enricogucci6113]

Never heard of you - Why have I never heard of you? Just looking through your channel and seeing a few vids this is SO helpful!

[@thealover]

I love this concept, well explained! I don't understand how it works against champions without aoe abilities (unless enemy top gets baited to trade in my wave so my minions are hitting the enemy top instead of the enemy minions, hence making his wave push quickly) I also feel compelled to stay in top to crash 4th or 5th wave (so I don't lose cs and xp) but I'm assuming scuttle crab is better than the few xp missed IF we are certain the enemy jungler is pathing up there

[@Mil1nk]

if they trade in your minions they take minion aggro which means your minions don't attack the enemy minions so it could still work. Although probably not as well.

[@bbhs26]

You just fixed my biggest issue in lane early wow thank you!!

[@useless7866]

loving the content

[@hanksheehan5410]

Hey! I loved the video and it was super helpful for me. The only enhancement I would suggest is showing the game clock during the game VOD, which would have helped me better track the scuttle crab spawn. Anyway, here's a subscribe

[@szymondudzinski6661]

hey this is very cool! I love toplane for these small details and your vid is very well made

[@nemanjadjajic7252]

I really like these advanced wave management videos,thanks man,hope you make some more

[@geco3335]

Now I'm fucking mind blowing, thank you very much now I know what I was doing wrong for 2 month

[@rik9833]

well understood sacrafice some hp at wave 1 and 2 to force enemy to push faster, which results in wave 2 crash

[@niksy80]

watched all of your educational videos and they are so good, hope you make more in the future.

[@przemko98765]

oh god thanks for this movie

[@amokiir1726]

Thanks so much! I'm soaking up everything you're putting out!

[@robinmortier6799]

Smashed that sub button. I'm a D1 semi competitive player and this is absolutely top tier info!

[@SmoothyyAegwynn]

Started playing toplane today after 6 yrs of adc/support. Great guide, looking forward for more!

[@gabrielchavarria760]

Me too! How do you do managing the fact that the support role is so relevant early and top is nos as much?

[@XxCarlosAlexis99xX]

Thanks for this info I wish you would upload more, there arent many good quality educational channels out there

[@gellertgyori9734]

The one dislike is the enemy toplaner

[@bryanprintz10]

Sadly was me when trying to bookmark the video for later. I converted into a like immediately! Dont abuse me on toplane pls!

[@minafouad8069]

this is amazing man keep the greatjob i learn alot from u thanks alot for ur effort

[@thomashendriks6595]

Great video

[@pandamaninthewild]

man so grateful for this info.

[@idontwanttodothisnomore]

The best wave management is achieved when you completely nullify all the minions. To do this, assuming a windows computer, first open control panel, then go to programs and features, find league and right click uninstall.

[@Hydr312]

wish there would be more videos from you about toplane.

[@thomasulrich7057]

Pls.give US more of these

[@jimatulkerriganus4316]

Thank you!

[@DoctaSchmieed]

love the video

[@daio3752]

Nice content bro🔥

[@ro3b439]

u are best bro

[@s22384]

Absolute legend!!!

[@sebastianteaca7794]

same thing applies to aatrox Q, low elo aatrox players hit both you and the minions with his 3 Qs and turbo crashes the wave for no reason

[@STAIND369]

i saw this video like 3 months ago, but im still thinking that if voli just sit in lane and pressure non stop before the c wave meet he will be 3 before anyways. Idk maybe im just wrong and being desilusional

[@climbwithmario1591]

How is this in season 12? Where scuttle has not that much importance?

[@riusekbensel7019]

The problem with this is that your wave now is pushing and you lose many minions when contesting crub. It doesn't matter?

[@STAIND369]

no, crab is better

[@skiplegday6190]

In the scenario you showed, you killed the melee creeps of the 3rd wave to get level advantage, after the trade you walk to the river, but if udyr is smart enough to not contest the scuttle, will you not lose tons of miniongold/xp while roaming in a slow pushing state?

[@EragonUK]

Good question. This way you guarentee the scuttle so either way the Udyr has lost out. The minions I've lost, maybe 3 or 4 max if we don't have that big fight are worth far less than the difference in gold 1 jungler getting and 1 jungler not getting scuttle is. This could even snowball into Iven getting both crabs and into more snowballing You are also not in a bad wavestate either because Udyr will try to go to bot scuttle instead and wont stop you from crashing.

[@maxi5414]

@@EragonUK oh, this is actually a doubt i had, thank you o:

[@bustamante-music]

That flash E was nice. btw how does this idea change, if at all, now that scuttle is less important?

[@katsubear]

PogU

[@mnnmnmmnmnnmmnmn1977]

can u recommend some begginier guides about wave managment?

[@Aizera]

is it possible to use this strategy when I play katarina mid? my level 1 is so bad I'm not sure how to force a trade then, and I tilt hard when the 2nd wave freezes in front of my tower and the third wave crashes into me.

[@Aizera]

hey coach, im here because of your new video and I came back to this one and once again find myself stuck with the same question. Kat's Q is an AoE and I always try my best to make them trade into me but the wave keeps freezing under my tower

[@klauskeller6380]

Shouldnt the lane be even only? Since the enemy can hit the 3rd wave simultaneously if the 3rd waves dont meet under your tower and you dont have a very potent lvl 3 ganker as jungler

[@onsetaugust]

What champs to learn toplane fundamentals?

[@DeuceBooty]

Love the name!

[@ellisback6519]

Why did voli conceded the 3rd wave to you? Couldn't he tried to kill 2 minions to match your level 3?

[@mx3triple]

Isnt the best option for voli to just sac some cs on 3rd wave and invade your junglers blue while u're farming?

[@DoctaSchmieed]

How would you counter this strategy? Just not autoing while they try to trade?

[@alessiapinelli]

All of this info...for free?! Subbed :D

[@berserkerarmour9085]

Why does he have 2 healing potions (100g) and doran's shield (450g) at the start of the game??

[@EragonUK]

Probably an assist at the start of the game to give him 53g. Not sure, I played that game a while ago

[@rookeyji5177]

If 2nd wave crash is bad why do players like foggedtfw2 on tryn do it often?

[@kippariii2550]

Ive always thought that you want to crash second because as I was learning the game thats what Foggedftw2 told me to do. Makes sense why my team always ints at scuttle now.

[@danielwhite5099]

I do have one question on this. In a lot of games where I watch Foggedftw play Tryndamere, he often plays aggressive and crashes the 2nd wave. He then goes and wards the scuttle and lets the enemy slow push back to him. Why does he do this if its bad? In my games I would crash second wave so that they would push back into me and then I would have my jungler gank them since they would be pushing back into me

[@totokoostudios]

Can you link me a video where he does this?

[@withb9011]

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[@educationalleague3686]

If my jungler is pathing away from me, and the ennemy jungler is pathing to me, crashing 2nd and bouncing 3rd is an option right?

[@EragonUK]

It's an option but the safer play is to let it push into you and freeze 2nd/3rd/4th/etc in front of your tower by contesting the push. If you crash 2nd you give wave control to the enemy top and in theory they can slowpush + dive you

[@gavinbenes9172]

so bait fight but make sure you can't et all inned or even bad trade but try to bait rushed lvl 2

[@Idontknow-rh6cl]

Is it still possible to fix the wave after a 2nd wave crash or should I just let the enemy laner push and give up scuttle?

[@EragonUK]

If your champion is strong enough to contest even in a when down a level it's fine, you can just force it. For example earlier today I was playing Morde v Fiora and even with level 3 to level 2, her parry was still too much to take a meaningful trade and she still had wave control. It's also likely that the enemy top won't rush level 3 due to lack of knowledge so you probably can try to get level 3 before them still. But if both top laners know what they're doing yeah, it's rough. Thats why wave 2 crashes are really bad.

[@StayGriffin]

When is it better to freeze the wave as opposed for going for the level 3 crash?

[@aleks-lj9yq]

Because it’s just better, you’re safe, he get ganked, you have xp advantage

[@robertg420]

I still maintain that level 1 sett W beats all :)

[@dtrch_7533]

*Laughs in Gwen level 1*

[@ilias8758]

@@dtrch_7533 laughs in olaf lvl 1

[@ItsThatMilkshake]

Lol no wonder I get fucked crashing the 2nd wave as Singed.

[@naburakun]

a ingame example would be great