High Guardian Spice - Criticism Not Wanted

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[@Mangakamen]

Edit: The end Credit Song is Friday Night - From Yakuza 0. Hope you guys don't mind this short video - Just got a few projects in the works, and wanted to get some low hanging fruit out there... Cause why not?

[@princesssummernight]

Please don’t over do everything ok

[@TheMalikp1]

I liked it. Great video. Rest easy Kamen.

[@AceOfCardsOfficial]

I was just so mad that they proudly were like "we are non union" proudly suggesting they don't pay their animators minimum salary... Like... that's NOT something to be PROUD OF!

[@heartbreak1740]

Fair enough

[@AnEnjoyerofYoutube]

I think the fact is was short and to the point actually made the video better and more effective, thank you, and rest well.

[@marvalice3455]

"if you are upset about the writing, it's the budget" I literally would have written something better for free

[@lynxfresh5214]

There's literally dozens of rewrites and AUs across the internet that actually improve the narrative and world building of shows that have suffered from subpar/mediocre (if not worst) writing e.g: RWBY. And like you said those folks take their personal time to do these improved stories for free (sometimes just for fun too).

[@marvalice3455]

@@lynxfresh5214 yes. bad writing is a hierarchy issue. not a budget issue. not saying you shouldn't pay your writers, you should pay them as much as you can. but this is a super lame excuse.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Also, looking at many movies and shows of the last few years... pretty much never has "more money" meant better writing.

[@marvalice3455]

@@insulttothehumanrace3807 facts!

[@shiverfan4867]

Writing has nothing to do with budget, there's lots of beautifully created cartoons that do better tremendously

[@legendarycryptid2629]

Budget is a HUGE deflection. If ONE can get his webcomics off the ground with simplistic drawings and get an offer for a reboot manga, anime adaptation based off said reboot manga, and video games based off his works, then clearly he's doing things right. Same goes for franchises like Crayon Shin-Chan. Two years was more than enough time to make something interesting. 730 days (731 if leap year occurred (I've forgotten if a leap year was involved for the most part). 24 hours a day. You had all that time...

[@Dimumouto]

There's the first season of Kemono Friends too. It was HEAVILY criticized for its lackluster animation, the VAs were all newbies (or so I've heard, that's how the budget stayed so low), but the heart and soul poured into that first season resonated with viewers. It then became a fan favorite a few episodes in, until the studio went with a s2, but that's a different story. Restrictions can breed creativity. Look at the OG Final Fantasy theme or the limitations set by Bethesda to Mick Gordon on DOOM 2016. The strict time limits and strict music specifications gave way to some amazing things. And while I can't think of any show beside Kemono Friends that had a small budget that became a beloved show, I'm sure there's plenty of other examples if we look hard enough.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Your comment reminded me of Sunstone. It started as a bunch of random drawings Stephan Sejic made, while he had writers block. Then he grew a liking to the characters and fledged out a story about them. People liked it so much, he started to look and later found a publisher for a hardcover book version and the start of a complete series. I highly doubt it will ever get a TV series thanks to its mature content, but it is an exzellent example of how doing an Author Tract story right.

[@ayrtonjoga]

Yeah, but there are a lot of indie animations, games, etc. that had passion behind it and was carefully planned, despite the low budget

[@bluubandette8871]

Didn't they brag it was an anime during the trailer?

[@TaoScribble]

It makes me unreasonably happy to hear someone else mention Shin-Chan. ^_^

[@THAT1ZELDAFAN]

What did Raye think was going to happen? That people would go and say "oh you poor thing. We're sorry, your show was very good"? Did he want pity? Sorry mate, but in a world where Helluva Boss, Telepurte, KZbin animators, and the like exist, you Raye Rodriguez have ZERO excuse. Be a man, grow some cajones, and admit your show was garbage

[@donutbevil9669]

Doesn't help that "budget" isn't anywhere near a good excuse in the industry. KZbin has proven time and time again that good content doesn't require an ample budget. Work with what you have, and know what you're doing. Raye and his "diverse" crew clearly didn't.

[@Tamaki742]

Wanna just say that people should check out Flying Bark productions from Aussie, they got high quality shows.

[@Royalname31]

Thanks for bringing up Telepurte. Not only did he have better animation, and even better storytelling, but also he has way better LGBT rep in general.

[@anonman969]

Don't forget Who Killed Captain Alex. The guy who made that had only about 100$ to make an entire movie and made something special and wonderful. Raye has ZERO excuses for HGS being a trashfire.

[@otroweonllamadoseba]

Cajones XD

[@DuneStone6816]

I told my sister the other day "To Raye's credit, at least they're not calling all their critics bigots on Twitter, which makes them one of the most mature creators in the industry right now." Turns out they're just slower than the others.

[@lynxfresh5214]

Using Twitter (especially for petty clout chasing or "outrage") is already a mistake. It's kinda funny when folks can get some semblance of credibility for choosing not to use "Twatter".

[@quattrokerbecs]

@@lynxfresh5214 twitter is fun for watching people embarrass themselves in 120 characters or less.

[@StiikxFigure]

@@quattrokerbecs I like that you state that it's "120 characters", meaning your brain has been preserved and shielded from toxic fumes for the last five years.

[@ryanm.8720]

"Ah, Twitter stinks! I'm leaving!" - Wario

[@DuneStone6816]

I feel like my point has been missed. Twitter is not the issue here: the issue is how Raye - and too many other creators - is responding to critics.

[@tonysonic456]

What's worse than making a bad show? Making a bad show and being unable to take any criticism of any sort. Man, this guy's acting really childish over the backlash. It's fine to be upset over your creation being dogged on. Who wouldn't feel that way? But flat out gunning down any and all criticism even if it's the helpful kind is just childish. High Guardian Spice is a failure of a show, and it'll take the finger of God to give it a second season.

[@Pegas105]

Unfortunately it is because many of the people that are in the animation and comic industry are childish adults (meaning adults who are still emotionally children)and have no real life experiences or lived such sheltered lives they can not cope with the real world. Look at JMS and Babylon 5 where that show was always on the verge of cancellation but there was a line given to the Minbari that summed up the his belief in the show "Faith Manages." Raye on the other hand naively believed from the get go that his show was going to be an instant and beloved hit by the masses regardless of quality. But now he has to live with the fact that HGS will go down as a cautionary tale of what not to do in an animated production.

[@Avarn388]

@@Pegas105 it also helped that JMS had contingency plans like no tomorrow for B5 and had a lot of careful planning. I have very little sympathy for Raye because he clearly wants to blame someone other than himself. If your animation budget was so low, prioritize certain elements. Action scenes too hard? Cut them for characterization, dialogue and world building. Writing will always be timeless and it is the thing people will cling to the most. Why was it that Arcane was so well-received? Animation aside(it took them six years to develop, most of the time was for the tech I believe), its writing was really sharp and clear cut. High Guardian Spice could have been like that. But overall, it was a half-baked project, made by a company who clearly wanted their own "anime" and was constantly advertised as this stunning and brave thing when in truth it looked uninspired and very generic/ one note. If I want a magical school series, I'll just watch Little Witch Academia.

[@bluubandette8871]

Sounds like Karma for shaming other artists and their creativity

[@ryszakowy]

remember when you make complete failure of animated media always blame other people call forth different kinds of phobias play a race card but never admit to making a flop it's always everyone else's fault that you suck at doing things holy fuck i just solved last 5 years in general every movie, every tv show, every game, every failure that was created and flopped harder than fat man who stood up too fast always used those excuses

[@capt.artemislivius7601]

Y'know... for a woman that transitioned into a man, Raye Rodriguez sure lacks balls when it comes to criticism.

[@AceOfCardsOfficial]

Me: "You use diversity to avoid criticism about saying proudly that you PAID YOUR ANIMATORS LESS THAN THE MINIMUMM WAGE" High Guardian spice: "But.... Look! Bad Trans representation!"

[@legendarycryptid2629]

Always fun to watch Low Protector Herbs get trashed. Even better when Kamen tries to kill it.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Me Too.

[@poolturtle5772]

First rule of responding to criticism: saying anything more than “we’ll take this under consideration for the future” is too much. Instead of going on a rant about people who didn’t like your show or why their complaints are “invalid because of budget” (which is bullshit looking at writing), take what’s been said and see how you can apply that. If it’s not applicable at all, or useless, just ignore it. (Applying this to shows, and to an extent games) It’s that simple, bros.

[@quattrokerbecs]

Being able to take criticism in general is a life skill in and of itself. It demonstrates maturity and a willingness to learn and improve. In the wise words of the Ancestor from Darkest Dungeon: "You cannot learn a thing you *think* you know."

[@wakkaseta8351]

Maybe, but on the other hand, sticking to that just gets people accusing you of using "boiler plate" statements to avoid negative PR these days.

[@poolturtle5772]

@@wakkaseta8351 if that be the case, don’t respond at all. You don’t _have_ to do anything PR wise about this.

[@neoqwerty]

Shit, he could probably have gotten by with a "while we've seen legitimate concerns about the plot, how HGS was first advertised, and the writing quality, we've received a low budget that caused animation issues and a shorter deadline than we expected. Also, we don't appreciate the trolls taking the opportunity to be bigoted and hiding inside the legitimate criticism you have about our mishandling of LGBTQ issues within the show." I'm an asshole with 0 social grace and I could do better PR without even letting go of the points he shouldn't have brought up to start with (muh budget is why i didn't even have consistent worldbuild for muh pet project; everyone hating is a bigot!!!).

[@meepknight]

People have prides... And it's a rather difficult one to swallow...

[@genemelendez8157]

Honestly the excuse of “we only have the same budget as a Cartoon Network show” gets easily thrown out the window when you remember OK KO and Mao Mao exist. Two shows that also have an anime influence, but have way better animation and writing

[@batfang25animations39]

As well as adult swim shows like ballmasterz9009 and primal both have 11 min long episodes and near the same budget yet both are amazingly animated and written, budget my ass.

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

Hell, Gumball worked out amazingly

[@ZudeXbox360]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 Regular Show, too

[@maxanderson3733]

And that’s really saying something considering how basic OK KO was as a story and show

[@rangerreview1780]

What Raye also failed to take account. The shows on CN nowadays are 11 minutes. But they still are budgeted the same as 13 episode season shows. You get 26 episode seasons. Which are really 13. He had 12 episodes. One less than usual. Second, anime lots of times gets worse budgets for their shows. Unless you're Studio Dean doing Seven Deadly Sins. The majority are fine animation wise. Just limited.

[@4569packers]

The whole budget argument is pointless when you realize that both Mob Pyscho and OPM were shows based on a web series that had no real budget, yet millions of people love it. It almost like if you had a good plot then people won't care how much of a budget you have

[@liamn.watson4867]

What’s OPM?

[@novelty_thief]

You forgot luck and Timing that also played a big factor for these shows to go off. Mob psycho also had an easier time being tied to ONE and Onepunchman. There are a lot of awesome works out there that would deserve an adaptation and Mainstream recognition but weren't as lucky as ONE's work. And they put a lot of effort into their stuff too. Not trying to tie your statement down with this defeatist argument but it's often underestimated and forgotten that luck and timing to get a spotlight play a bigger factor than just hard work. That doesn't mean that hard work is meaningless if anything I and many other people would suggest to seek and try out things you might like. In our era it's easier to take off with passion projects but the real challenge is to get a big audience.

[@novelty_thief]

But yeah in terms of criticism budget is a stupid deflection😅

[@liberleo1384]

@@liamn.watson4867 it stands for One Punch Man

[@liamn.watson4867]

@@liberleo1384 Thank you.

[@AlexDayz]

Blame the bad writing on the budget? No amount of money is going to make the writing better or worst. Even low budget films have good writing. While I can sort of get where the creator is coming from at the same time you should be able to take criticism rather than blocking everyone who does. The fact they even blocked someone who was praising the show is bewildering

[@hypeman1825]

I'd argue that budget does play a part on getting a proper writing team. But that's not it's fault. You work around your budget. Something like Madoka Magica was planned out before production.

[@happythoughts3170]

@@hypeman1825 Raye didnt want a proper writing team. He or Elation Studios wanted activists.

[@dizzyheads]

Reminds me of the multitude of stories written and directed by one person as a personal project

[@t.r2603]

The reason the creator is so salty is probably due to the sizeable crater left by this show. The memes and studies done by commentators like Kamen are more or less going to leave studios hesitant to pick them up for anymore shows/projects going forward.

[@xsoultillerx]

i'm pretty sure the studio died long before the first episode even aired. keep in mind that CR was basically sitting on this for about 3 or 4 years after it's announcement. either way it's not going to get a second season (i'd be pretty surprised if it did). almost everything about how this season came out screams "we were under contract".

[@greatswordofvictory1271]

@@xsoultillerx I heard through the grapevine that the HGS team was disbanded some time between the show being finished and then eventually released. I don't know if this is actually true or not, again - grapevine, but yeah this is pretty bad to have on someone's resume regardless.

[@xsoultillerx]

@@greatswordofvictory1271 given how insular/incestuous american animation is i doubt working on this show will be a black mark on anyone's resume. the only one on the team who's probably in trouble is kate leth not because of the fact that she worked on the show but because of a lifetime of burning bridges everywhere she worked that culminated into her being outed as a racist.

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@xsoultillerx Jesus, I remember her sexist takes on men that she refused to take accountability for, but didn't hear about her being racist.

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@xsoultillerx Did you mean "insidious" instead of "incestuous"?

[@monikpup4981]

South Park first episodes were made with paper cutting, yet the writting was so amazing and is still going to this day. You can have bad animation but very good writting. I think Raye is either in so much denail, that he is just blocking everybody left and right, or just playing stupid EDIT: Also, i(and many other people) were writting fics for free, and they had better writting than that

[@conradojavier7547]

South Park used it's Low Budget to it's Advantage.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Raye is likely doing this because she doesn't care about anyone other than himself.

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@conradojavier7547 Now I think South Park has a bigger budget now.

[@jascharichtergillego65]

I just hope Raye would finally realize his mistakes and try to avoid twitter for the time being, to avoid further escalating his situation. It's pretty bad for one's mental health ya know...

[@JannetFenix]

You look at that self absorbed person who's "life's work/dream" is selfinserting idealized version of oneself in as many works as possible, and tell me there's anything BUT mental issues in that head.

[@donutbevil9669]

*"pronouns in bio"* He's never getting out.

[@samuelbattershell3413]

Given that Raye was born female and has no biological traits of a male human and if you take any cell and make a clone the clone would be a woman... which if you replace the words for sexes and say Raye proclaims to be a horse, not an equine furry, an actual horse and all evidence points to being human... we would call that a delusion. So given that Raye would be rightfully recognized as delusional if it was with regards to anything but her sex, I doubt it.

[@MikuMeeku]

@@samuelbattershell3413 I know that we all don't like Raye because he can't take the criticisms well, but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a fucking transphobe. He's still a male and he is not delusional to be what he wants to be.

[@MikuMeeku]

@@donutbevil9669 As for you, you are using pronouns as we speak. You legit said "he", is that not a pronoun?

[@kingbash6466]

After having stuff like Smiling Friends and Helluva Boss come out and succeed in their goals and then some, it makes the state HGS is in even less excusable. What makes it worse are the people on Twitter going, “You guys don’t really care about animators. Animation isn’t easy, and budget is everything.” As if budget and putting work into something excuses it from criticism.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

Unfortunately, the latter show is getting flak for its creator’s conduct.

[@TaoScribble]

_(TL;DR at the bottom)_ All those tweets tell me is that Raye isn't going to learn from this experience because they aren't mature enough to properly identify the problems. That's one of the biggest red flags for NOT putting someone in a position of power; they won't know how to pivot the team before they crash and burn. HGS's failure is the result of a lack of planning, experience, flexibility, and possibly time management, and an *severe* excess of ego (considering they still don't understand why the first trailer was a bad trailer). More money and a union isn't going to fix those problems. It's also a (faulty) explanation, *but not an excuse.* _It's also not the customers' problem._ And I say that as someone working in customer service for most of their life. The problems we have in the store, unless directly caused by a customer, are NOT their problem. Flipping out like a child is never okay, but if the roles were reversed (crew was the customer and vice versa), each would still be just as angry/frustrated at whatever the situation was. Y'know, unless you have a situation like this where the manager, so to speak, doesn't even know what the problem _is._ It just makes you wonder who the hell put them in charge and WHY. It's also especially not the customers' fault that you aren't in a union. That just tells them that you lack integrity; that you have to be coerced into doing your job, or else you're just going to sit there and collect a check. If you aren't going to work properly without a union, *leave and go somewhere where there is one.* Flip it around: Why the hell would you keep, let alone PAY, an employee that refuses to do their job properly for whatever reason? All of that, plus Raye mouthing off on social media and proving without a doubt that they had no idea WTF they were doing would convince me to never, EVER, put them in charge of anything. That's if I would even hire them in the first place, considering they're damaging the brand by saying that the show isn't anime...on a network where the majority of customers are chiefly concerned with their money going to Japanese (I think?) studios that produce ANIME. You're already getting backlash from being an American studio. This is just making it worse; *SHUT UP.* *TL;DR:* "Anything you try and don't succeed at, if you learn from it, it's not a failure." Raye's tweets have shown that they have learned nothing. And thus, High Guardian Spice is an absolute failure. Way to go, Raye!

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Did read it all, a great comment. To stretch out the analogy a tiny bit more... You especially would fire and never hire somebody again if they didn't do their job or did their job badly and their reason for it was "well, YOU didn't give me enough to work with!". ... Because I don't think that's something Raye quite thought about when he made those posts. Bosses and managers do sometimes look at social media, and anyone who does can see that he threw the company and those he worked with under the bus when the project and its reception didn't turn out the way he wanted, taking zero responsibility.

[@Aleph3575]

" they're damaging the brand by saying that the show isn't anime...on a network where the majority of customers are chiefly concerned with their money going to Japanese (I think?) studios that produce ANIME. You're already getting backlash from being an American studio." This is literally the reason why the show was pushed back so much. There was so much backlash when Crunchyroll first teased the show that they literally put it on the backburner and hoped people would forget about it. I forget exactly what happened around this time, but I'm pretty sure CRoll had just raised their subscription fees or something and their excuse for doing so was that they wanted to actually pay the Japanese studios for broadcasting their stuff, and then they start teasing "Crunchyroll original anime" right after. And literally no one was happy because Crunchyroll had literally lied about what those fees were being used for.

[@tmb11212]

Yup. It goes to show that those that have the passion for creating the show they want and the determination to learn from their mistakes will be the ones that will obtain a rightful future, while those that have the arrogance to assume that people will love your show or that they're terrible people will only have a gloom future.

[@kazkatgamer6722]

How can they say the writing was based off budget when literally in the first Episode, Rose wanted to be a "Guardian" (something to this day we dont know they are or what they do) But we are excepted as the audience to assume they are the "Good guys", as Rose states they protect the helpless and blah blah blah...And yet...she wanted to kill a wild animal who took her locket (which was never shown to be given back to her) for its magical mating ritual. Thats like being an animal activist and shooting a fox that took your flower to gift his mate cause now that one part of your garden is ruined. Budget has nothing to do with bad writing, having no idea what you are doing is what creates writing bad. In my creative writing class my teacher gave me the best advice i use to this day "You Fiction will only be as believable as the non-Fiction you put with it." In short it has to make sense!

[@patchmoulton5438]

"Thats like being an animal activist and shooting a fox that took your flower to gift his mate cause now that one part of your garden is ruined." So just a normal PETA member then?

[@thementalorder1233]

@@patchmoulton5438 Lmao, you said it.

[@Snowie7826]

Money can obviously help production quality, but no amount/lack of money can buy you good writing skills. The lack of budget surely hindered them, but the project was doomed from the start because the committee of divas writing this garbage never cared if their audience enjoyed it. That was never their priority. It was always about them and their egos.

[@annabella1650]

The budget excuse doesn’t work, because plenty of other series have dealt with similar issues. I’m pretty sure the original Berserk anime didn’t have much of a budget, but people still like it. Remember HGS started out as a webcomic, so there’s no excuse of lacking an idea of what the series should be. If Raye didn’t know what him and his team were doing…that’s entirely on him. He went into this project without a clear idea, despite having time to come up with one.

[@ayrtonjoga]

Exactly, there are a lot of indie animations, games, etc. that had passion behind it and was carefully planned, despite the low budget Finishing the storyboard without writing the whole story is a problem of bad/rushed production, not budget. Boiling down every criticism as just haters doesn't make it any better

[@donutbevil9669]

One Punch Man started out as a webcomic. Look how _that_ turned out.

[@-LastStand-]

Didn't kill la kill have a smaller budget than this?

[@jowbokitten2317]

@@-LastStand- not sure if it was smaller, but it definitely was small. Tho I bet they'd use the excuse of "but it was done by animation veterans!!!!" or sum shit lol

[@ZudeXbox360]

Hell, even MHA's Kohei was at one point just a fan artist who drew a One Piece sketch and send it to the mangaka. Toby Fox found international acclaim and got noticed by Sakurai. Some of today's biggest artists are doing such good work because they had practiced and honed their skills to a fine point. And yet I see no honed skills here.

[@castform7]

5:38 I legit had to take a 2 minute pause just to sit and process what I was seeing. Nothing, absolutely nothing Zio said was in any way negative to HGS and they even complemented the show. That was the definition of "most charitable interpretation". I get that Raye must be going through a lot right now considering something he worked hard on is getting lambasted from every corner, but just blocking out anyone who says something that isn't obnoxiously positive about your show not only is a bad look for you but also blocks you from learning anything for the future and doing better for later works.

[@friedchickenfetus]

Rayes tweet actually made me unfollow him. I’m so tired of when a show is bad people blame production, but if it’s good then them working with a bad budget gets praise? All works should have a budget, but a budget isn’t an excuse to be bad! Raye mentioning the Cartoon Network thing really rubbed me the wrong way as well. If CN can get through this in a way as you described then take notes from them? Simplify the designs! Maybe use a smaller time format! I just hate the excuses used! AND acting like everyone on earth is an anti SJW and that’s why people hate it is absurd. Steven Universe and RWBY both have casts of mostly women and even tho both have flaws each still has a genuine fan base and doesn’t need to rely on cheap excuses to reason why people would t like them. Like always a good video kamen

[@QueenSydon]

I feel sorry and pity for people like Raye, who are so poisoned by social media propaganda that they see demons and enemies all around them instead of the truth; that most of us are normal, decent folk who just want to live and let live. They can appoint themselves our moral arbiters all they want, deflecting every criticism that comes their way. But that only makes their palace of loneliness ring hollower..

[@donutbevil9669]

Just a heads up on RWBY. The "cheap excuses" phase from the creators has already long passed because of how convoluted seasons 7-8 were.

[@sethmachetedemeter]

Same here, I was just done with them turning off comments so no one could respond at all. They can’t take any advice and it’s just annoying now.

[@2097Pyros]

RWBY isn't really a good example, because their creators have also done these things, AND they bake their real feeling towards their critics into the show (Watts, season 8, for example). They basically wrote the book that Raye and countless others are using and refining now. Also, their "fans" are not so much fans, but an easily manipulated cult that Miles and Kerry are more than happy to take advantage of.

[@RexZShadow]

@@donutbevil9669 Oh I bailed after vol 4 so I dodge the bullet on the rest of the shit show that apparently happened.

[@CrazehBoi]

Love it when you started the vid with a Terrible Writing Advice voice clip, pretty fitting for a show like High Guardian Spice

[@channelnameanddescription8999]

you know what high guardian spice needs? a love triangle!

[@donutbevil9669]

@@channelnameanddescription8999 No, no, an evil plastic surgery clone.

[@solidskullz5736]

I can never get enough of seeing bad shows get bashed

[@xsoultillerx]

i genuinely wanna see someone on the staff other than raye talk about their time working on the show. i'd imagine that alot of those tales from the trenches start with "IT WAS A MIRACLE THAT WE GOT THIS TRAINWRECK OF A PROJECT FINISHED!"

[@donutbevil9669]

Or, RAYE AND KATE DIDN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING. ALL THEY DID WAS LOOK AT THE DRAFTS. THAT'S IT.

[@monkey-network]

"The show isn't an anime, it's a cartoon" Explains why the anime pirates weren't touching it.

[@fatherpucci8170]

I download it with Persian subtitles

[@bottheskitarii8881]

This reaction really made me confused. If this is supposed to be cartoon for kids like creator said then what's with the blood or violence in it? Or the characters saying "SHIT" or "BASTARD"

[@fatherpucci8170]

@@bottheskitarii8881 well that's made for Persian we loves laugh at things we call that poison animation.

[@CulturalDuck]

@@bottheskitarii8881 It's a cartoon for adult kids.

[@3rebella]

Pirates looks for things of worth.

[@Fractorification]

I find it funny how, for all this harassment Raye keeps citing from people who seemingly didn’t care for his show, there’s a lot of videos and critiques that try to rewrite the series and make it better. Maybe because, on a subconscious level, people might’ve seen the potential in HGS and wanted it to be somewhat decent? I mean, sure, some toxic vids dismissed it as trash and moved on, but a large majority of essays focus on that angle. People really liked Axe girl and Snapdragon; make a series featuring them and listen to the feedback and you’re golden. But, sadly that’s not how these people see it.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Haven't made any videos on the matter myself, but that's kind of how I see this show. Quite a bit of potential for an interesting world and story, wasted. The most frustrating parts of the show to me were fascinating ideas or moments that weren't as explored or well-defined as they could have been, or bits that could have worked better with just some slight writing tweaks. People like me criticize the show or rewrite bits because we want to see it be good. If we want something to be bad, or simply don't care for it to improve, we either ignore it or just sit and laugh at it.

[@maxanderson3733]

Got some links to those rewrites?

[@Pikaman20008]

That’s the thing really, as much fun as hating on things can be sometimes, most people actually prefer to like things. More good media is only a good thing.

[@aisadal2521]

It's always a good time when High Guardian Spice is getting deconstructed 🥰

[@bunnyconcubus8468]

Having a terrible writing advice for the into is chef kiss

[@animezilla4486]

This is a problem in today's entertainment when people are sending criticisms about a show or movie it's either blocked or comments gets turned off. If you can't handle criticism do you shouldn't be in the entertainment business. If I was making a cartoon series I wouldn't mind the criticism I get from people because it will help me improve on my cartoon I will only block people if they say anything horrible about me or my loved ones. As for High Guardian spice it's not a very good show but at the same time I don't hate it as much as other people the show should really have been pitched to Netflix

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

Wait a sec, HGS got shelved for 3 fucking years, and they're gonna use "budget" as an excuse for why the script was bad? Bro... if someone on the production *really* wanted this to become a thing, they'd have been working on whatever they could have regardless of if it was in active development or not. And the script is one thing you can always do since it can be done by literally a single dedicated person. Budget isn't an excuse for everything.

[@CoyoteLovelyYT]

Loved working on this with you, Kamen! Always a joy to help with your projects! Have a good one, buddy!

[@Mangakamen]

Same here

[@soldatdaniels8738]

Him hinging on the show's budget makes him look like he's looking for an easy out. Especially since you point to multiple examples of low budget animated works succeeding tremendously. And of course Vizzie Pop

[@fatherpucci8170]

Hey don't forget about Gmod and sfm animation

[@soldatdaniels8738]

@@fatherpucci8170 Ja!

[@rjs4176]

_"People compare HGS to anime because it's on Crunchyroll, but it isn't anime."_ Then why is it on Crunchyroll? _"It's a cartoon made with the same pipeline as any other American cartoon."_ Then why is it on Crunchyroll?! _"Our budget was comparable to a CN show, which are usually 11-minutes long, are comedy centered and have much simpler BGs and characters."_ *_Then WHY is it on Crunchyroll?!?!_* He thinks he's providing answers when he's actually only creating MORE QUESTIONS. When does it end?!

[@whiskeyhound]

It's on crunchyroll because they bankrolled it with money either from people paying to watch anime on their service or from a fund that was supposed to fund anime productions in japan, either way anime fans had their money taken and used to produce a shitty western cartoon with none of the charm that either anime or western cartoons can provide.

[@banzaialex5984]

happy tree friends is also on crunchyroll for some reason

[@JLDrawz]

I'd also like to add to this. Budget should never be the defacto reason something isn't good. While it can be one reason, it shouldn't be to blame. Kill la Kill is a great example of a show having a VERY low budget, but using that low budget to it's advantage and STILL, in my opinion, being one of the best written shows in anime!

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

Hell yeah it is.

[@gtf234]

That again shows its all an issue of experience- Studio Trigger, while still a young upstart studio at the time, was made of seasoned veterans, most poached from Gainax's employ. Ellation Studio's debut work was being showrun and produced by amateurs who've never done it before.

[@gjtrue]

@@gtf234 And good LORD does it show. Certainly the latter. . . 🤣

[@dspace4514]

You're entitled to your opinion, but you should also be able to take criticism of your work, let it be a 'Your show sucks' or a very thoughtful argument. If you can't, then you will always stay the same and will never be able to see the mistakes you make, which is normal and it's how you improve. With that said, there is something i don't understand. If you are aware of how small the budget is, shouldn't you be able to plan around it and use the budget you have to your advantage? Because it sounds like you had a higher budget, began working on it and midway through, they cut the budget and you changed a few things midway.

[@QueenSydon]

The comparison has been made a hundred times, but the first season of Rwby had endless shortcuts and choppy animation due to its shoe string budget. Yet, it launched a massive franchise all the same. Effort and Executions was the KEY! Everything, especially a garbage show made by narcissists for narcissists, will fail without those two legs to stand on.

[@hypeman1825]

@@QueenSydon Well early RWBY often gets a pass by so many because it had this charm to it. It was cute at that time and even looking back it's just fun despite its obvious flaws. Yeah the show is prime example that could be taught in writing classes as to how NOT to write a story. But the two era's feel distinct. HGS follows that show's 2nd era.. people behind it are trash and don't know what they're doing and the show is reflective of that.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@QueenSydon That was RWBY back then. Nowadays, I can hardly make sense of the plot because the creators decided to take themselves _way_ too seriously and we've got a convoluted plot with shoddy writing.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

@@hypeman1825 Honestly, I'd just use the Beacon arc, or just the first two Volumes, for HGS comparisons, since that's the most similar plot, kinda (being school days adventures).

[@POIUYTREWQ62]

I love how the dude was like "Budget is the reason for the art and writing". Like Art I get, but writing? Are you that up your own butt that you can't type a single paragraph without getting paid? Also, the sign of a great creative is taking nothing and making something; a sign of a bad creative is not being able to make something good from anything......and then complaining about it. Gonna give you 1 guess as to which one the dude who worked on HGS is......

[@DXUnlimitedGamer]

Just putting this out there, Red vs Blue started with a bunch of guys dubbing over Halo gameplay with shitty mics. To this day the series is one of the most popular web series to have been made and it pioneered an entire genre of entertainment in Machinima. Writing and proper drive can take you far

[@2097Pyros]

And in that same company, the vast majority of those people are now gone, and what is left are the same type of "hostile toward criticism, with massive egos" people as Raye....and we see how it affected not only what was already there, like Red vs. Blue, but how it affected projects that weren't in production, like RWBY and gen:LOCK.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

So basically the creator of High Guardian Spice is treating his show like Santa Inc. by calling everyone who hated the show Nazi White Supremacists... A statement so childish that it makes you realize that the joke ran it's course about a decade ago.

[@KittyKatty999]

My Visual Novel team has *litterally no budget outside of our own money, and yet we still spent almost every day working on our project.* -Writing -Art -Characters -Themes -RL inspiration -Lore -Getting feedback from random people to prevent bias -Removing old ideas and focusing on better ones -Flow Charting everything -Making several online documentation full of Rules and Importany Facts It's a Zero Escape and sort of Werewolf game, involving 9 vastly different but connected Characters, who find themselves trapped in an empty college, forced to play "The Deadly Confession" game. We have been working on it for more than half a year, and can't wait to release it in the distant future. My point is: Budget has NOTHING to do with the quality of Writing, Characters, Themes etc There is a lot of artists who can do great art with no budget, and the same is true with writers. Ration out your budget so everyone gets their proper pay, while also making sure they are *genuinely* invested in the project, so they will want to work on it on their own time.

[@donutbevil9669]

Look how the first season of One Punch Man was produced.

[@royalcass]

it definitely is an easy target, but it deserves it's criticism. if we lied and told them it's something it's not it would only get worse. ALSO BUDGET IS NOT AN EXCUSE!!! THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT WORKS OF ART WITH ALMOST NO BUDGET

[@Avarn388]

It says something with Literature Devil was able to rewrite HGS in such a way that made the series halfway decent. I really can't stand the whole deflecting criticism by blaming budget. Some of the best pieces of media had to deal with budget/ constraints. For example, the movie Jaws the mechanical shark kept breaking down so Spielberg came up with the Shark cam to compensate and only showed the shark at the ending. The result gave us a better movie, making more in line with Dracula. The same can be said about South park and the Simpsons who also had low budgets but their writing is still sharp. A lack of resources suck. Especially if you are on a very strict time table. But it is up to the creatives to work within their constraints. Can't afford much animation, trim down the fight sequences. Focus on characterization and plot. Good writing is timeless. Just look at old works, like Twelve Angry Men, Tom and Jerry/ Looney Tunes?

[@Appleeatpie97]

"People compare HGS to anime because it's on CR, but it isn't anime" So.........why is it on an anime streaming service in the first place?

[@anti-roxas850]

Complaining about budget while being a "Crunchyroll original" is a joke all on itself.

[@dragonmastertheedgeking1595]

HGS has the similar art style and budget compared to the Ben 10 reboot. The only difference was the reboot improved itself and made it enjoyable, even if they made a bunch of weird gimmicks for toy selling

[@PrincessKurae]

Nahhh, not really. The difference is that Ben 10 Reboot has a clear target group. HGS is neither targeted at children (because of its violence, sluring, the adult jokes and the story not being comprehensible) nor at adults (because it's just too childish). On top on that Ben 10 Reboot is a cartoon targeted at cartoon fans. HGS is a cartoon targeted at anime fans. No wonder it doesn't work. I would advise Rodriguez to censor some scenes and make this a kids show on cartoon network. Kids are dumb and would watch it although it still wouldn't be good as a kids show.

[@Mars_over_seer]

I can name a bunch of shows with low budget, but had elements that gave them a large fanbase. - Symphogear (Season 1) - Kamen Rider - Red vs Blue - Rwby (volume 1 & 2) - Mob Psycho and One Punch Man had average art, but got picked by a S Tier mangaka and made into animes If they want to blame budget for writing, that’s just deflection. Yes, I get there’s behind the scenes stuff that effects the story. Saints Row 2 story was caused by a lazy animator and the team for Legend of Korra believed they only had one season. But outright blaming other factors instead of admitting they messed up, really leaves out their credibility as show-runners/writers.

[@fatherpucci8170]

Gmod and sfm animation

[@asterkordona284]

Another fun fact that everyone conveniently forgets: HGS isn't the first show produced and greenllit by Crunchyroll. The first show produced by Crunchyroll Studios was Onyx Equinox. A show that has MUCH better art, character designs and worldbuilding, and it's still by no means good- but if we're comparing the two series form the same studio- Onyx was clearly better.

[@concordiaharmony2302]

I'm gonna call bullshit on the budget thing for writing purely for one reason. Warhammer has been releasing a show as of late called Hammer and Bolter. It's awful in its actual animation but the writing is positively top notch stuff, from sassy Chaos marines to the giga chad that is Trazyn the infinite. Budget doesn't limit your capability to write good dialogue.

[@alaricwilliamson5067]

Don't forget Astartes and TTS, those two series are incredible and only had a few people working on the.

[@achair7958]

"You people just don't get it, we had such a limited budget!" "You mean the budget you basically stole from your subscribers after you told them their money would go to Japanese creators and not your stupid vanity project?"

[@Leostar-Regalius]

her budget defense is utter BS, jimmy Newtron and invader zim(before enter the florpus) had barely any budget, Zim's budget basically ender up being wasted by accident in the moose room episode and jim had low budget anyway, YET THEY STILL WORKED

[@stickthelanding4785]

You can never put a price on writing

[@bittersweetpastel475]

2:40 Its begs the question how Crunchyroll approve the show without pilot? Just walk in to CR headquarters show them some prototypes and talk about it for 20 minutes? In the HGS first trailer, they barely process of animation and how amazing and "diverse" our crew are: Show us don't tell us....

[@holty1314]

MangaKamen receives riots “Point me at them!” They’re Twitter fans “Noooo noooo nooooo”

[@vampenga9277]

It never ceases to amaze me how childish some of these showrunners can be. Just block out the people hating to hate and focus on those that're giving legitimate criticism. Don't feed the trolls or give anyone even more reason to dislike you it shouldn't be hard to do. Also sorry to hear you're under the weather, Kamen. Hope you get well soon.

[@Aleph3575]

The problem is that in their minds, there is no such thing as legitimate criticism. You can see it with all the "allies" coming out of the woodwork to defend it. Their defense is always "You don't like it because you're homophobic/transphobic."

[@vampenga9277]

@@Aleph3575 *Sigh* Yep...That's the easy route to take for sure. Just a flimsy shield to hide behind to disguise the fact you made a crap product.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Raye blocking Kamen is slightly funny to me, since he was actually nicer to the show than a lot of other people were. Not as nice as Zio was there, but still. As for the tweets themselves... MangaKamen brought this up, but I'll ramble on it too since the tweets do mention it. "Also maybe in another timeline HGS wouldn't have been roped into the culture wars from its first trailer and marked as BAD years before it came out." As MangaKamen pointed out, some of that hate was due to them making a Western-style animated show as an original piece for a Japanese anime streaming service. Doing this with Crunchyroll was already a step off a cliff. But beyond that, the "trailer" was more of a showcase of Elation Studios and bragging about how "diverse" and "inclusive" the staff are than actually being about the show, and even much of the show talk was more them hyping it up as this revolutionary piece. Whether the "trailer" was an active decision on their part or a corporate mandate, that gave most people who saw it ample reason to think the show would be bad. We didn't just hate on it for no reason. ... Also people compare this show to anime because, again, it's on a platform with lots of other anime. Also a lot of its world and story ideas, and even character design cues, were taken from anime. ALSO, as awful as it is, many anime have had even smaller budgets than this probably did (I say probably because there's no official statements on this show's budget) and even worse working conditions for its staff, but they still turned out better in just about every way. ... And to parrot the point most people make in response to this, writing ain't a budget matter. Time constraints can... kind of affect writing quality, but some of this show's writing problems are things that should have been sorted before even beginning production. Anyway, I hope MangaKamen recovers smoothly, and I hope you all have a good week and remember to examine your fandom.

[@TuShan18]

To be fair towards the creator, I can understand being upset that a show they obviously cared about was getting a lot of hate and vitriol. And I also understand that it came at the worst possible time since everyone hated crunchy roll, and the show became the face of why everyone hated them. But holy crap, that was not the way to take criticism. Ignore it if you can, and maybe give explanations as to why it didn't turn out well, but don't shut them down and block them. As hard as it is, take the loss, learn what you can from it, and move on. Also, I get that hiring writers is part of the budget issue, but I have seen plenty of good writing done for free, or in other low budget pieces of media. In some cases, they get better budgets because people like the writing so much. I don't think hiring better writers would have been expensive, they just hired the wrong ones. Also, you're enjoying that fem-kamen a lot aren't you?

[@masavant]

I find it funny that in that Twitter thread Raye was able to commit all seven of the deadly sins. I also find it funny that Raye as the show runner was not complaining about been paid less than other show runners due to the budget, or that they had to pay people less than union rates for their work because of the budget, or they had to hire the worst voice acting because of the budget, Raye doesn't understand that the public does know what a show runner's role is in any production due to people like Noel Stevenson and Kevin Smith. I understand Raye is a simp for unions (the twitter thread has made that clear) and this twitter thread sounds like they are admitting to under paying people because they weren't union. If this is really about budget restrictions, I want to see the expense report to make sure that there was not any wasteful spending like buying the entire staff Starbucks coffee five times a day, that is about $5AUD per coffee or for 10 people, five times a day for a month is $7,500AUD as a basic example.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

That there hasn't been any officially released statement of High On Spice's budget is very telling. And... where is Lust being committed in that thread? I see the other deadly sins, not sure about Lust though...

[@masavant]

@@insulttothehumanrace3807 The lust is the insatiable desire to be union and have everything be unionized, It is a little hidden by the envy for Onyx Equinox and it is not the first time Raye has gone on a "must be union" rant

[@ultrawinggaming9764]

Its the "With us or against us" attitude again. A Mindset that will be the death of criticism.

[@cydippida]

I love how they're ignoring the fact that there's plenty of criticism coming from people who are gay, trans, or women.

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

Kinda a hard smack to the face when you pretty much overtly shouts them out but they get angry when you give them the most absolutely trite presentation possible (a bedroom that open by holding hands, really? That sounds like a dumb thing high school crushes do that would totally not end well.) I would say that the trans character would have some potential to be interesting if they would put them in a dilemma about it. He needs the potion to keep it up right? so what would happen if you put him in a position that he can't get to it or potentially losing it forever? Or maybe potentially loosing it's effectiveness after taking it over a long time? However given the creator's attitude, even thinking about the allegory about those possibilities would put him in an existential crisis.

[@TheSameYellowToy]

@@mikzpwnz_3199 Yeah, that would actually be an interesting idea that could lead to high stakes for Caraway and let the audience be able to empathize with him by seeing him struggle, and it could be a good opportunity to learn more about his backstory. Also, the fact that the trans potion only lasts a month means that there are zero stakes for Snapdragon to experiment with gender. If the spell was permanent, then Snapdragon would have to actually do some serious soul-searching and character development and it would give them high stakes if they make the wrong choice and transition without first making 110% sure they identify as a woman. But with a temporary potion, worst case scenario for Snapdragon is that they realize they're male and are stuck in a female body for a month before going back to male again.

[@jakebarrett8161]

"that's not how pitching works" Except...that's exactly how pitching works. I'm surprised HGS fans aren't foaming at the mouth a like the new Voltron or "He-man" fanbases every time they get called out on their shite🤣

[@whiskeyhound]

Dunno about Voltron, and I can at least see why someone might be a fan of "he-man", I can't imagine anyone actually feeling passionate about HGS outside of claiming to have loved it while it was airing.

[@BlitzAssault]

I actually do enjoy watching somewhat bad shows from time to time. This might be something to watch in the future actually

[@leavemealone802]

If you are a writer or a artist you will learn so much of what NOT to do

[@mas8705]

Honestly, that comparison to Hellva Boss is literally the best way to summarize this whole situation. We live in a day and age where if a content creator really wants to buckle down and do their own show, they could do that. It might not be the most polished thing in the world, but hell knows that you can not only do it if you have the right people, but if you do it well enough, you can easily get people to take notice and toss money at you rather than a pitch for an idea and... whatever the fallout of High Guardian was and seemingly continues to be. Yeah, Twitter isn't exactly the best place to toss out explanations, but the problem we face here is that (much like most other people who have what we could call an insecure problem), if you are blocking people who actually express actual issues, it can come off as you being tone deaf. It isn't like everyone who got blocked was doing it as an attack (as what was pointed out). There were plenty of issues, but I keep reflecting on the idea of how "a low budget means less time to write." And that's... kind of a slap in the face of anyone who has tried to write a script; let alone a story. Even if your back is to the wall, if you got your passion project green lit and you find yourself making it become a reality, you probably would be giving yourself as many sleepless nights working on that script. It's unfortunate the end result was what it was, but overall, the bigger glaring issue still presists. And if he does decide to continue with High Guardian or scrap it, the bigger issue now is the giant Red X hovering above his head that many will not hesitate to point to if people want a "first opinion." I've seen plenty of content creators on KZbin actually go out of their way to not only point out the numerous flaws, but to more specifically... correct them. It isn't to say a... How did they put it in their 2018 trailer? *pulls up "Coming 2019" trailer* "A writing room with 100% female," wouldn't have caught on to the problems. But it does feel like somewhere along the way, no one took the time to read through the script of the episodes and really reflect on what was going to be happening on screen or question how they were really going to hook viewers into watching the show (much less have the world building figured out since it does feel like things are hysterically off balanced and how it seems like any male that would identify as straight would either come off as a complete and total ass, or so completely meh to the world, we call him Slime Boy). As someone who wants get into creative writing (and also random writing articles for the lovely world of Video Games), I have grown a weird fascination into watching reviews for this series since it has been telling me what I need to do if I really want to take fiction writing seriously. It wouldn't be perfect, but I know that there are a lot of things that need to be taken into account before I would even consider trying to pass something off as a first draft. ... Apologies for the rant in the comment section. I doubt many would care to read these when they pop up and probably might come off as being too preachy or nagging... Hell knows the written word doesn't help to not make most people look at in a negative light nowadays... Still, I feel it is very much important to lay out thoughts for the hell of it. Complaining can be fun sometimes, but it isn't like I'm going to go out of my way to hate on something (at least not intentionally... My mind does like to wander while writing, thus these essays suddenly appear by the time I wake up from blacking out at the keyboard), but it does give me the idea that maybe if I do apply myself to something, maybe I could do something that I could call my own. Probably wouldn't amount up to much, but I can still try regardless. ... Not sure how I'll end this, so I'll just hit the sub and stop lurking. Thank you MangaKamen.

[@armythecat]

The Princess♂ clips on the bg reminded me of the song, thank you....now time to go back to the endless hell of listening to that jam forever

[@nathanmcclung3564]

I feel sorry for the guy with all the hard work he has put into it, seeing your creation ripped apart like it has been. That said I feel that it is becoming a problem that creators do this kinda stuff when they get any type of critique good or bad put to them. Hearing what others have to say and taking that info to better your work is something that everyone should do. Given that the people giving you that input is often fans or people wanting to watch the show get better stabbing back and blocking them is pretty much is turning your back on the people that are making your work potentially popular and is well really alienizing to them. I hope that he does at least take what people say to heart if he is going to make any more work.

[@Nekosage]

I didn't really go into this on other videos I've watched, but... 2:08 - *Writing?? budget* - Combined with what writers they could afford, I take it as one of two things: 1. His ideas weren't fleshed out very well, and he solely relied on the writers to fill out the rest for him. 2. His ideas were actually fleshed out somewhat, but he gave the writers way too much freedom to change things. If it's 1, it goes to show how little Raye planned out in advance. If Raye had the lore more carefully built, the show would have came out a lot smoother story-wise. With proper lore planning and direction, any writer can still do a decent/good job. If it's 2, this means that Raye was way too lax. Don't get me wrong, writers making suggestions on what they think could be better isn't a bad thing, a different eye can sometimes help. But at the end of day, it's still your show, you make the final calls. Mind you, I'm not excusing any of Raye's deflections. Given how Raye has taken this, it's obvious that he won't be learning from this anytime soon. 0:14 - 0:32 - It's funny. Most of the critical reviews I've seen put little to no focus on the staff(And when it does happens, it's usually Kate Leth). Hell, the most brutal review I saw(A multi-parter at that) is from a KZbinr who is LGBTQ+ themselves.

[@leavemealone802]

I feel some what bad for the creator, and I think this is why some are defending the show on Twitter. It can't be easy to have a passion project being bashed world wide But at the same time, is important to always have in mind that, art isn't perfect, and we will make mistakes on it. When people criticize your work, being a tv show, a comic, or even a fanfic, they are also expressing themselves. Their feeling on your work is valid as well, the work isn't just yours anymore. How they see it, feel about it or interpret, need to be respected. And is important to also keep in mind, that their feelings don't define your worth. Your work, your experience, bad criticism don't define them as a lost cause. You are not a loser for doing a bad piece of midia. There are of course, cases and cases. There are creators that don't try and want confetti for their work, and is hard to know who is actually trying and who isn't. But I feel that Raye Rodrigues missed the mark on Twitter. Blaming everything on budget don't fly. And it was better if he tried to be opened for the conversation I haven't seen a single person criticizing the show for being LGBTQ, or for the style. People actually have good criticism about the show and I think Raye should have being open to it Is similar to how I sometimes feel with fanfic writers. Not all of them, but some what to have the same respect that full published book writers, and screen writers have, but don't want the criticism. That is not hownit works. If fanfic is just for fun, cool, no criticism is necessary to be tolerated. But if you want to be a professional, you need to deal with the criticism, constructive or not. You are not a victim for having receive criticism on your work. Is part of the job

[@donutbevil9669]

Judging by how the first trailer was made, they thought they could deliberately bait people hating on it because of the "diversity" and "first all female writing crew". So that it could get pity points and springboard from there. What they didn't expect was that the overwhelming incentive from all sides of the aisle pointed out that they clearly *weren't* anywhere near diverse, and they *weren't* the "first" of anything. Plenty of creators had women in their team, which was arguably more diverse by not caring about gender. They didn't brag about it. Never did, because they allowed their work to speak for itself. It didn't help that Raye hired Kate Leth, who shamelessly expressed misandrist views until she had to delete most of her social media posts to escape criticism. Go look up what happened to a show called "Gen: Zed" and see why it was dead on arrival. Wasn't even allowed to air, because the _creator was caught actively provoking people on 4chan, taking selective screenshots of their responses, and claiming that she was being harassed._

[@machinismus]

I still stand by the fact that if it weren't for the first dumpster fire of a "trailer", the backlash wouldn't nearly have been as pronounced.

[@John-Stark]

@@donutbevil9669 I assume 4Chan has got back at her for that last bit? Because I feel like Pol would definitely try to drive her off the internet for that fuckshit

[@Tendo641]

> I haven't seen a single person criticizing the show for being LGBTQ, or for the style I will say this, and say that it _is_ happening and I have seen people who are. I've noticed a few people even in this comment section (a small minority of course but a non-zero number no less) being blatantly transphobic and misgendering the creator, and in other video comment sections I've seen people say it's "SJW" not because it comes off as preachy but bring up the LGBT characters like the teacher as reasoning for why. *However,* and this is a big however, Raye may be right that SOME of the criticism is that, but acting like ALL of the criticism is that is not cool either. He's grouping the bad bunch with people like Kamen who are just giving genuine criticism and generalizing everyone as the "bad group,," even when it comes to people who were more nice and understanding like that one twitter person featured in the video. And of course, plenty of LGBT people don't like the show either. I am one and know plenty, and all of them say they take issue with the show from a writing standpoint and not the diveristy aspect. And we take issue with one of the writers not owning up to their sexist past too.

[@ayajade6683]

I'm more critical they called a team of all white women who are all queer the most diverse as it isn't diverse and it would face the same criticism if a male team did were the most diverse with all white queer man team

[@hon3stly_z615]

I was thinking wow this is the earliest I’ve clicked on a mangakamen video until I realized I received the notification 12 hours later💀

[@williamturner6192]

They're telling us it was storyboard before they wrote it? If you do things wrong that isn't budget.

[@whiskeyhound]

They also had no idea of what the story was supposed to be before they pitched it to a studio? either Raye's full of shit or he legit found the dumbest investors on the planet.

[@kou7191]

HGS is, even by Raye´s own admision, basically going to a Wendy´s for a burger and they give you a salad instead, but not even a good salad, just a bowl of lettuce with maybe a couple slices of tomato. Not only it´s not what you paid for, it´s not worth that price even if you did order a salad.

[@Angelic_Dreamz]

Videos like these are so satisfying!!

[@sethmachetedemeter]

I had to unfollow the creator because of how they started locking comments and blocking anyone who provided valid critique. It’s one thing taking the critique personally but it’s another to just not take any whatsoever. Raye only responds to people who give them fully positive feedback and at that point you need just living in an echo chamber. Not healthy.

[@TonyTama]

Im amazed at the stickiness this series is trying to be cus it will not settle on "maybe we were a bad show and need to just quietly own it and maybe give it a better go next time?" but nope. the workers while also throwing their employers under a bus (not really a crunchy roll fan in the slightest but whatever) get to pin the blame on everything but themselves for how received hgs was. To quote a "wonderful" lady. "gotta blame somebody otherwise its my fault."

[@drekgrimm3291]

That TWA (Terrible Writing Advice) reference at the begining tho

[@momotarosYGO]

Great short video to watch on my break. I have, ARRIVED!

[@Mangakamen]

Ore Sanjou

[@DonniedrakoE]

If the show is on a budget they should have been able to either delay it or improve it. I get it animation is hard and I don’t know the all the behind the scenes drama of the source. That being said the product is there and as such should be critiqued like any work especially when it comes from a big studio like chrunchyroll who also produced mutiple original series.

[@user-fg4tn8ot6b]

I don't think Zio was rude. I think Raye needs to thicken that skin a little more, or, at least, be open to suggestions. How would Raye expect producing something amazing if they would rather be surrounded by 'yes men' and ignore valid, respectful criticism? Also, when Raye tried to explain that the bad writing was because of the budget...it feels like they're saying they hired cheap writers. Are they sure they want to die on that hill? 😬

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Listening to your critics is something that is very important. I know that I would still be terrible, if I didn't listen to others or atleast take notes on how they reacted. Now I am no longer terrible - just plain bad.

[@josueveguilla9069]

High Guardian Spice Futanari and Rule 34 (2022)

[@kodyrowe-manns6360]

Excuse me?

[@bruhicusmomentus3060]

@@kodyrowe-manns6360 He’s posting his google search history for the public to see

[@ryanm.8720]

*Patreon Artists:* "It's working! It's working! My sneaky scheme is working!"

[@WarmLillie]

1:31 I’m not an artist, I play a fictional nurse in comments and have Frankenstein type thing deal with Lillie Even I know that bad and not how legs works

[@Reaperwarth95]

Try to heal up man we don't need you to die on us

[@ryanm.8720]

The director of the mockbuster 'The Amazing Bulk' (Lewis Schoenbrun) responded to negative criticism more maturely than the creator of what was intended to be a professional animated series. Let that sink in.

[@raggens]

I just love how you added Terrible Writing Advice at the beginning of the video

[@BlueSoulGamer]

Translation: I have poorly managed my resources for this show that I’ve wanted to create my whole life and now I’m so butthurt I refuse to listen to anyone’s opinion on the matter.

[@Just_a_Dragon69]

Take care and i hope you get better man

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

This show was destined to fail, yet the creator is still deluded.

[@mskittygemma]

"How to handle criticism"? High guardian Spice: We don't do that here well.

[@Gruntman1234]

I mentioned them on Hero_Hei's video on this, and I'll mention them here. The original G.I.Joe, Transformers, and TMNT cartoons, Lego Ninjago, Hot Wheels: World Race, Hot Wheels: Acceleracers. Not only did these shows (probably) have the same budget limits that HGS had, but they also had an even bigger issue holding them back. The issue that these shows were made not to tell a story, but to sell products. However, even with that being a big factor those behind making these shows buckled-down and did their best to produce shows that had at least decent stories that were fun, interesting, and even compelling. These shows are remembered for a reason, and it's not just rose-tinted nostalgia. Sure it's there, but it's not the main reason. It's because effort, care, and competence was put into these shows. They're not flawless, (nothing is), but the work put into them is present and accountable.

[@Youhadabadday2021]

I love the quote from Terrible Writing Advice in the beginning.

[@MugenEclipse]

You can't cry budget when none of the money was even supposed to go to you self insert infested works in the first place, nor can you cry it when one punch man became what it is from objectively less over all

[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

I said this on another video, I will say it here: Don't say your show has the budget of a Cartoon Network series if your quality cannot match Cartoon Network. Man of Action would wipe the floor with these people. HGS is also objectively worse than either early Gumball or Swat Kats, and has storyline consistency worse than _Top Cat._ As for pitching, it kinda is how that works? To my understanding, high-risk works often have to have most of the pre production and a chunk of viable product done before a company will even think about funding it. They really think I could go to WB with an elevator pitch and a dozen pages worth of sketches, and actually expect them to give me money? But no, CR didn't see this as high-risk, they green lit it because of identity politics and virtue signaling. Cradle to grave, this show was a soap box.

[@thenightqueen0]

Thumbnail was more than accurate for this 😝 Hope your throat feels better soon!

[@jamalhartley5863]

Being able to tell the difference between criticism and bias is also important. If most of the male cast characters are either jerks or unimportant. That's an audience lost. Not saying guys can't like shows with a mostly girl cast (I do low-key fuck with Sailor Moon). So having every cis hetero male as either a jerk, an ass, pompous, or unimportant. You're clearly sending a message there. That's criticism. There are like no guy characters, why are all the important roles for girls and everyone who isn't a guy. This is a bias.

[@Tendo641]

i don't think it's a coincidence either, one of the writers apparently has a history of being a "all cis men bad including men who try to be feminists bc if you don't have personal experience with being a woman you must hate women and are entirely unsympathetic to their plights" type and took pride in it when people criticized her for it. the thing that gets to me though is the fact the creator of the show is (to my knowledge) a trans guy. as another trans guy, i just don't understand why some other transmen feel the need to support blatant misandry in order to be one of the "good men" (because i guess you must hate yourself to not be a misogynist and also can't be cis), it's frustrating. you can be against misogyny and misandry at the same time. you can uplift. respect, and give positive representation to women without throwing your gender under the bus.

[@toanuva6178]

I feel like you can make an Oompa Loompa beat about folk like them who’re stubborn enough to not listen to anyone cause they critique.

[@caliburnzephyr9869]

Honestly the fear of my series getting hated is why I haven't tried doing anything with my story ideas, and mine would probably be pretty good if I just got over myself. The potential is there, just unrealized because of fear.

[@icecreamhero2375]

If you don't put something that isn't an anime on an anime streaming service it will probably be well received.

[@Necroxion]

"Our budget is like a Cartoon Network show" Oh Yeah Cartoons, which started Adventure Time and Fairly Oddparents at a somewhat lower budget:

[@heythatguyalex]

Gotta love that Kamen since playing MGR he's gotten more into the DNA of the Soul

[@gunawanlie8838]

"The average budget of cartoon network that usually net 11 minutes per episode" Then how can you make a studio if you only has minimal budget? And you know what's funny? White cat legend, a donghua with half the duration of HGS become one of the best donghua in 2020 and i'm pretty sure it has less budget than HGS, but it still has beautiful animation anyway and when the final episode get delayed for week, the last episode got significant animation quality jump to compensate the delay, where HGS get delayed for 2 years and we get png bread. Is telling when a slice of life donghua about a cat man being a judge is seen as one of the best donghua of it's year. Hgs on the other hand? Is just a massive train wreck.

[@Walt_Chocolate]

Raye is giving off yandere dev's levels of Ridiculousness

[@WatcherPrime]

When the budget used for HGS would have been better used via burning it in a sacrificial offering to summon Madoka-mi to fight off the Despair in a post COVID world, you know you fucked up harder than any CALARTS student could even dream to.