Terrible Characters(?) - Stolas

[@Mangakamen]

Be sure to leave a like, and a comment on the video folks - Really helps the channel out :)

[@adilmyrat3210]

You should show this video to Vivziepop

[@jaemelancholy1684]

Stolas Is a true hypocrite if feel terrible for blitz

[@lucaslocust9567]

Poo!

[@Rabbitlord108]

I hope he & Blitz break up at the end of season 2.

[@ArteiceTB]

If the show acknowledged Stolas’s mess ups as much as it does Blitz, then it would feel more fair and not heavily one sided.

[@Mangakamen]

Problem is that even in this comment section, there are people who don't think he's 'messing up' - I have someone who's claiming that Stolas was being up front and not being manipulative (even if it was unintentional). So, I have doubts that it will come to that.

[@Mangakamen]

@biobennie-kk9hu Yeah, that ain't in the show. Get lost.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

Fair point all the way. Its true that the show excuses a lot of bad things that Stolas has done, but when you think about it, The show excuses, everything that blitz does too. He TO as done tons of shitty things but all the blitz simps and the rest of the fandom excuses it because of his dark past.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

In my personal opinion I think Stolas AND blitz need development, neither of them have even tried to improve themselves and it gets kind of annoying.

[@bluespectrum1348]

Hey Art!!!!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@coolbill579]

This show feels to me similar to how a lot of fanfiction is written. The babygirlification of stolas is crazy, you can tell he’s viv’s favorite and she sees him as a poor tragic little baby

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

She made an uwu gay softboi

[@samflood5631]

I also agree with you. Maybe Helluva Boss should have stayed an adult comedy.

[@kyuremthefrozen8539]

Viv likes to speed run the plot

[@Jacy-dx6dx]

​@@kyuremthefrozen8539 she's incredibly impatient.

[@NoxAtlas]

This is so painfully accurate because I used to write fanfictions like these too during my awkward phase.😂 Well, at least I can say that I've grown up enough to avoid this kind of problematic favoritism.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

The biggest reason I personally dislike Stolas is how much the writers baby him and surround him with scapegoats to make him seem sympathetic and tragic. His neglectful father forced him into an arranged marriage. His wife (now ex-wife Stella) is an evil harpy who has zero redeeming qualities. Whom is stated to have abused him for years and now is actively trying to kill him. He is starved for romantic love and desperately wants his childhood friend (Blitzo) to reciprocate his feelings. He has an estranged daughter (Octavia) whom he loves unconditionally and is upset that he often comes up short in being the father she needs. Every time Stolas does something immoral or bad, there's a ready caveat to absolve him of most of his accountability. Stolas cheated? Well he was being abused by an evil wife, so it's okay. Stolas manipulated Blitzo into a sexually explotative relationship? Well Blitzo stole the book and actively enjoys the sex, so it's okay. Stolas rountinely neglects his daughter Octavia, but she always forgives him in the end, so it's okay. If Stolas does wrong the worst consequences are that he feels bad for it and is temporarily distanced from the people he loves. He's written as a tragic and sympathetic protagonist whose actions are nearly always justified by the narrative, and now he's found an entire party of Blitzo's exes who are telling him he did nothing wrong.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@PlanetZoidstar very well put together. Although I do believe that Stella well deserved to be cheated on by stolas due to her abuse and insults. And from what we know now, she doesn't seem like a very good mother either. The show does definitely excuse a lot of stolas's actions but blitz is treated just as equal. People excuse his flaws and mistakes while saying "oh he just needs development" but when It comes to stolas's flaws, all hell breaks loose

[@megankissinger8269]

I agree that this wasn't a good choice by the writers. So the question is - how do they fix it? I think he's getting kicked out of royalty as his consequence in an upcoming episode, and if that's the route they go, it will be good for his character development.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@megankissinger8269As long as that’s either long term or it’s not spun into a good thing, sure.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@megankissinger8269 I imagine however the writers try to fix Stolas as a character it's going to be very unsatisfying. Because he has had multiple chances to own up to his mistakes and misdeeds and he has consistently failed to take responsibility for them. The writers have front-loaded so much accountability-denial from Stolas that seeing him try to take responsibility NOW is going to be jarring. The only thing he's really taken responsibility for is getting Blitzo entangled in their deal (which Blitzo was fine with outside of Stolas trying to make it into something more). Everything else has been excuse after excuse, and I don't see the writers backpedalling after their consistent writing Stolas as the victim of worse people than himself.

[@megankissinger8269]

@@christopherbennett5858 I think it would be permanent, and rough for quite a while until he gets accustomed to it.

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

I like his design, voice and personality but not his relationship with Stella and Blitz

[@omartalalmusanashwanicsbr1380]

The majority’s opinion

[@samflood5631]

Stolas would have been great if he was an antagonist as it was originally intended for his character. But he’s been reduced to a cliched Yaoi fanfic character whose wife was written to be hated with no redeeming qualities and his childhood friend is his love interest.

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

@@samflood5631 Honestly, I don’t have a problem with Stella being an evil wife (she’s like Oldalia Blight from TOH but with a more stunning design and entertaining voice) but it would be interesting to see Stolas be not any better than his abuser

[@captainshadowfox]

@@samflood5631 It’s so obvious she was made more evil in season 2 for its shits and such Like come on evil for no reason is different from evil since birth One is eh because it Honestly always comes with a reason kinda like “I was bored” or “i find it fun” there’s always a reason even on just mood sense and the other is lazy Evil since birth only seems to work if it includes it’s entire species, making the “seeming outcast” make more sense, which it doesn’t real for Stolass’s sense

[@akirahimurakinakiyama99]

It’s almost like he should have no toxic relationships and this is a good example that people need to leave toxic relationships

[@lettuce6749]

Stolas feels like a Mary Sue. Not because he is too powerful but because the narrative twists itself to make him be in the right when he is not. That's one of the main defining traits of a Mary Sue to me. Like Red from Over sarcastic productions said: "Mary Sue is not someone's who is too powerful, is someone who is too important"

[@liannabunny7775]

You mean a Gary Stu?

[@ricky.t.1658]

That’s not a Mary sue honey

[@liannabunny7775]

@@ricky.t.1658 I was told a Mary Sue is less of someone who is like, extremely overpowered with no flaws and more like.. someone who basically is in the center of the story. The universe essentially revolves around them. I don't exactly think Stolas is exactly a Gary Stu… but he DEFINITELY is a Creator's Pet

[@MGsChannel]

Overall it may be natural for a story to focus on a character or relationship but it should never feel like the world cares only or is solely focused on said character /relationship and nothing else matters.

[@ginogatash4030]

Same with Charlie in Hazbin, the narrative will bend over backwards to make her look good and whoever opposes her bad even when the writing doesn't truly support it.

[@azureashes-i8v]

Stolas definitely is written like someone's OC they unironically refer to as "a sweet cinnamon roll uwu".

[@kingdingaling6516]

Stella shitty: No excuse. Stolas shitty: Tons of excuses.

[@ricky.t.1658]

Yeah bc emotional/physical abuse, murder attempts and public humiliation = wanting to be loved and avoiding abuse

[@spleens7831]

@@ricky.t.1658stolas partakes in abuse, please learn that

[@ricky.t.1658]

@@spleens7831 ? What are you talking about

[@Perdix64]

@@ricky.t.1658he has belittled Blitzø. He has also demeaned him and forced him to do these acts to keep his business afloat.

[@iikoifishii7893]

@@ricky.t.1658 also, child neglect is also a form of abuse. Which stolas has been doing for years.

[@ultravioletdrake4551]

The fact that BLITZ is shown to be a better father than Stolas speaks volumes when comparing them in a relationship. In the current episodes, Blitz has been dogpiled both by fans & by in-universe characters for being a selfish person while Stolas is woobified as a depressed romantic. That's not to say they don't have these same character traits, but when comparing they're other relationships, especially with their daughters, shows a serious issue with one having more development than the other. Blitz loves Loona like his own flesh & blood, despite her closed-off attitude & society itself viewing her species of hellhound as pets. On the other hand, while Stolas does seem to love & care for his biological daughter, Octavia, he has only been shown with her in two episodes. Yes, Loona is more of a main character than Octavia, but there's still more highlights to Blitz as a father compared to Stolas: Blitz takes Loona to the vet to get her shots, he never acknowledges her as a pet, & he prioritizes her whereas Stolas has exposed Octavia to a LOT of his bad sides with how he treats Stella & their divorce while giving little regard to her growing to be less & less close to him. This could be an antithesis to Blitz & Stolas as lovers: Blitz could love & prioritize Stolas if he can sort through his issues & understand Stolas' feelings for him, but Stolas might not be fully into the relationship as time goes on as his expectations on relationships may make him feel either let down by the reality of dating blitz or become jaded about it to the point where he may become resentful towards Blitz like he was with Stella.

[@Jakeyourdoggy]

I mean, not really. Blitzø's job is easier. He has alot less responsibility, heartache and Blitzø is already pass his "Horny" phase. It's like comparing a season one character to a fully developed one to dog pile on the season one character

[@Eric6761]

​@@Jakeyourdoggybut being fair, Blitz is just as low as hellhounds but barely, he still does find time to be good

[@Jakeyourdoggy]

@Eric6761 Yeah, but do you not see that being in a place where your not focused on makes it easier to have relationships than someone that's famous?

[@zealousamourous]

@@Jakeyourdoggy Did you just compare being royalty to being an assassin? Being an Assassin is no cake walk.

[@Jakeyourdoggy]

@zealousamourous Didn't say being an assassin is. But when you're not forced to be one and doing it for fun, it's comparable. Unlike being royalty, which is not something you can chose

[@moonbeamsun9066]

The show when Blitzo messes up: His trauma doesn’t excuse this behavior, he needs to apologize and be held accountable. He deserves this. The show when Stolas when he messes up: AWW THE POOR BABY HES JUST SAD BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD CHILDHOOD AND MARRIAGE HES TRYING YOU GUYS ARE JUST BEING MEAN

[@edifiedermine9247]

I’ve said this before but it might be written that way on purpose, I hope that in later episodes stolas will be confronted with his own faults as well. It’s just tricky in the moment because the episodes release slow

[@LpsRoseGold]

​@@edifiedermine9247 That's what I'm hoping too. My theory is that in the November episode, they're going to give Stella full custody of Octavia as shown in the leaks of "Sinsmas" and they will call Stolas out for being a terrible parent. (⁠^⁠～⁠^⁠;⁠)⁠ゞ But, knowing Vivienne, she'll probably woobify him...

[@edifiedermine9247]

@@LpsRoseGold well yeah, that’s just the kind of character Stolas is. Stolas is a vulnerable and dramatic character so he’s shown that way. Blitzø is trying to be less vulnerable and have tougher skin, and he doesn’t want his trauma as exposed, so he’s shown that way.

[@LpsRoseGold]

@@edifiedermine9247 Yes, I know Stolas is a traumatized character, but he's still responsible for some of the stuff he's done, especially hurting Octavia, even if he doesn't mean it... (⁠^⁠～⁠^⁠;⁠)⁠ゞ You can be traumatized and still hurt people.

[@edifiedermine9247]

@@LpsRoseGold yes I know, I think that’s kind of the point. That’s what Blitzø does as well. There’s a long in the trailer for the second half of season 2 from Octavia saying “you don’t love mother and you don’t love me, you love *him* “, so I do think there will be a point where Stolas IS confronted, we just have to be patient. In the description for apology tour, Vivian mentions Stolas’s lack of self awareness so trust me, she’s aware

[@acemarvel1564]

Viv's writing is so inconsistent with some of these characters I honestly can't even remember the point for some of them

[@hunty.0]

She's inconsistent with everything she writes imo. She focuses too much on relationships rather than a grand scheme of things with her entire shows.

[@acemarvel1564]

@@hunty.0 IKR and don't get me started the protagonists she makes they're so derivative of protagonist archetypes that worked elsewhere

[@SilverGuy-v2]

Selling merch mostly or giving characters more trauma.

[@hunty.0]

​@@acemarvel1564 Exactly.

[@acemarvel1564]

@@hunty.0 I often get hated by her obviously immature fanbase for pointing out very VERY obvious flaws and they treat it like the standard for indie entertainment guess what IT ISN'T

[@koshetz]

Just wanna add If you wrote twitter threads about how audience is supposed to feel about certain characters instead of communicating it through the show you either FAILED as a creator or you insult your audience's intelligence. And i will die on this hill. No one can fix a bad writing with posts on social media.

[@carriehellbound1535]

THIS! Same with the lore and world building too. I swear we get more information from tweets than the show and it always irritated me. I shouldn't have to look anywhere outside the show to get important information.

[@angrytheclown801]

I don't even use Twitter so I have no idea what information is being shared over there. This is not my issue or yours, it is the creators, and I will see it as I wish.

[@Moretropes11]

The only time I think it’s cool is if a show gets cut short so they give an explanation for the time that was lost 🥲

[@binxthebinx6575]

Or if your J.K Rowling, tweet about how the Harry Potter characters are SUPPOSE to look or what sexual orientation they have years after the series has been completed. This and telling the fans what they want from said show is wrong and stupid is probably in the top three things you should NEVER do to a fandom. I know someone who is a Miraculous Lady Bug fan and I have seen some shit from the shows creator on Twitter, trust me. It can get bad sometimes.

[@angrytheclown801]

@@binxthebinx6575 JK Rowling almost got me to sign up for Twitter because of the sheer insanity she came up with. Like wizards pooping everywhere. I kind of love they were against indoor plumbing that much.

[@LightScintchilla]

I feel like Blitzo is in a similar situation. In the latest episode, while he did get a punishment, it was for the wrong reasons. The show all of a sudden acts like Blitzo and Stolas have been dating, going so far as to claim that Stolas is Blitzo's ex. But...he's not. While they were definitely in a relationship, they were not dating. Like Stolas and Blitzo have said, the relationship is completely transactional, especially from Blitzo's point of view. He's even told Stolas this. But then the latest episode punishes Blitzo for being a bad partner, where he should be punished for stealing the book or maybe even accidentally leading Stolas on. He hasn't done anything major relationship-wise other than using Stolas to get into Asmodeus' club.

[@avereynakama9854]

IT's even more frustrating that the show casts Blitz in a bad light considering that 1. he spent the entire day trying to make the night special for Stolas and 2. he got booted out of the house before Stolas could properly explain what he was thinking. I'm not saying that Blitz is a perfect character, but they chose a bad time to say "hey, he's a jerk!"

[@amandapen]

OMG finally someone says this! They are NOT EXES! They barely had a relationship, calling each other ex would mean they went beyond the transaction and we all know they never did. "But they slept together!" Hook-ups and fwb doesn't count as dating, especially when the nature of their relationship is already imbalanced (imp and a literal royalty). They never actually talk or try to go beyond fucking for the book, Blitz also has never showed any indication that he liked Stolas romantically. In my opinion, Stolas's actions in Full Moon read to me as rich guy who fell in love with the prostitute he paid for, he's delusional about the nature of their relationship and thought they were going beyond just sex when they weren't.

[@anubis7457]

@@amandapenI mean Stolas clearly was interested in a more substantial relationship. Also in Ozzie’s episode, Blitz asked Stolas out on a date. Yeah, in order to get inside to spy on Moxxie and Millie, but Stolas didn’t know that and took it seriously. Also that’s definitely manipulative on Blitzo’s part. I don’t even think he ever found out the date was always just a pretense, he just thought Blitzo was distracted and rude. While pilot Stolas was holding the book over Blitzo’s head, proper show Stolas isn’t the same character, and offered the book as a loaned gift since Blitzo was interested in it. It’s like if you get a rich girlfriend, and she lets you use her awesome car. If you’re worried that you won’t be able to use her awesome car if you break up with her, so you stay with her, that’s entirely on you. Then she buys you your own car because she feels like you’re just dating her for the car, and you still feel like she’s in the wrong because… she’s rich? To be clear, I hate this relationship because it took over the show. But Stolas was clearly not trying to control Blitzo.

[@amandapen]

@@anubis7457 Yes, Stolas definitely doesn't intend to control Blitz, he actually was trying to do the opposite, giving him a choice with the crystal, despite how unsuccessful that was. He is very much into him, but it still doesn't refutes the point that Blitz (for the most part of the show) is shown to not see any of it as more than just transactional. Ozzie's was in Stolas's mind their date, but it wasn't one to Blitz, he just wanted to use him to get in, if he had any feelings for more, as shown in that episode with Fizz, he shoves it away. Maybe it could count as him leading Stolas on, but no matter how we look at it, they were never exes cuz they were never dating. It's more of a 'someone have crush and everything your crush do for/to you is romantic even if the intent isn't' situation at best and a very toxic situationship at worst. I agree with you, tho. This relationship nonsense has taken over everything and we still don't know Millie's and Loona's shit yet. We still don't really know what Stella's whole deal is, we still don't get Octavia's perspective on anything. How does she feel about Blitz always hanging around her father (has she ever run into him on one of these full moon nights? That would be a fun episode) Can we get Verosika's flashback on her break-up with Blitz and her rising to stardom? What about Barbie? Where the fuck has she gone to? Verosika seems to know her, what's up with that? The fact that we only get a few lines about Verosika and Barbie past with Blitz, but full-on flashback with Fizz annoys me. He gets another full episode about his new relationship after that too. It really wasn't important other than to foil Stolitz, which is only part of Blitz's character but it's becoming his whole identity.

[@jasperjazzie]

@@amandapen yeah, i stopped watching the show and when i found out about the "breakup" i was like "?? did they go from fwbs to dating and i never noticed???" but turns out no they didn't. it feels like the show is shaming blitzo for not wanting to be something more substantial with stolas, and like sure it sucks to want to be together with someone and the other person not want that, but that's not blitzo's responsibility and yet they act like it should be.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Stolas isn’t a “victim”, he’s akin to the kid who threw rocks at a hornet nest (Blitzø) and can’t fathom as to why he got stung.

[@Jacy-dx6dx]

Don't make fun of and ignore the compliments of your hubby. Oh yeah and don't exploit them for "Favors"

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@Jacy-dx6dx Obviously Blitzø is a jerk, but Stolas should know this by now. It’s like being angry at a known incompetent for dropping the picket of water and spilling it, but you knew that person was incompetent yet still tasked them with carrying a bucket of water.

[@Jacy-dx6dx]

@@princessmarlena1359 Stolas does not have patter recognition confirmed.

[@silvignis2028]

Stolas fans are INSANE when ignoring his flaws. I call it the Bojack effect. Character does awful things but gets sympathy because he is shown when sad/depressed. The big difference here is, everything Bojack did came back to him...Stolas is probably gonna be rewarded with getting with Blitz anyways(I dont think they should become endgame). I used to love Stolas but Vivs hypocritical writing just...destroys a lot.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@silvignis2028 the blitz fans are equally as bad though. They ignore blitz's flaws and mistakes and they straight up ignore the fact that blitz never once tried to improve himself in any way. Stolas is a very flawed character and needs development but same with blitz. They are both poorly written

[@no_0riginality937]

Sad thing is….It is going to be end game since Brandon and Vivze alluded that the direction of the story of HB has been finalized

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@no_0riginality937 that's disappointing. I completely forgot about that

[@silvignis2028]

@@Jakky_clarkk oh absolutely. Personally I've just seen more insane Stolas fans xd. I myself focus a bit more on Stolas' flaws because of that. Both of them did some messed up stuff, the scene where they first meet after years again f.e is boths fault.

[@silvignis2028]

@@no_0riginality937 this is why I am honestly thinking about just dropping the show but at the same time I wanna know whether it gets worse or maybe even a bit better? I am not big of a shipper in general and hold higher standards to ships but...Stolitz is not one of those troubled relationships both parties just have to work on...they build that relationship on a sex pact and tbh if Blitz was a Blitzina people would view it way differently.

[@CountShaman]

If Stolas wants to change for the better at all, he should put aside his lust for a romantic life for once and focus on the fact that he has a job and a family to maintain. Octavia should never have to suffer for what Stolas went through, because that makes him a god-awful father and a terrible person who deserves to lose her. All his relationship with Blitz has shown up to this point is prove that his inability to maintain a family is just as bad as how he still demands stuff from Blitz despite insisting he wants to let him go. As of this point, Western Energy demonstrates everything that makes Stolas so terrible; getting distracted by Blitz not saving him to the point where he; -Ignores Moxie and Millie's efforts -Doesn't care that Blitz is taking care of his daughter -Didn't think back to the fact that Octavia just got threatened as a potential target -Continues to let Stella take custody of Octavia despite that fact -Has a text where he still would rather focus on Blitz's stage play instead of the rescue of his damned daughter he supposedly loves and cares about so much -Uses the Full Moon resolution as a way to establish romance instead of letting go and focusing on more important things in his life after the fact Sorry but when you have 4 hyper-animated songs dedicated to showing how sad and sympathetic your character is, he deserves to be ripped into for failing to show self-awareness and put forth real effort to improve instead of flaunting the thought without a shred of understanding on how to do it.

[@samflood5631]

And people complained that Stella was an awful parent to Octavia. True they never truly interacted, but Stolas is even worse as he just neglects her so to be with Blitzo. Even when they’re together, he always ignores her just to hit on the guy that’s causing friction in her family.

[@SilverGuy-v2]

The stage play was trying to help Blitzø get out of there without discovering demons and, by extension, hell. Like Blizø, even with Stolas's support, broke down when he remembered the day he saw Loona. Things could have ended worse if he dipped and didn't support him.

[@CountShaman]

@@SilverGuy-v2 It went on for hours. HOURS. How does Mr Ars Goetia not figure out how to escape sooner using his magic in some way? He did in in Truth Seekers without his grimoire, no reason he can't do so here other than "Hehe funny".

[@SilverGuy-v2]

@CountShaman He can't. His powers are limited in the human world, he said. Considering all he could muster was a human disguise for himself, I doubt he can do anything beyond that.

[@kotlolish]

@@samflood5631 The show shown that Stella was awful to Stolas and when Blitz came into the picture... he used it as a way to enjoy himself. Stolas was at a low point that he clung to the only thing he saw as a friend and romantic partner but in reality... Stolas and Blitz were never a "TRUE THING" Whoever written the episode of their childhood meeting and starting of their "DEAL" clearly intended Stolas and Blitz to be equally bad and using eachother. And to this day I will hold to say: "Stolas is still using Blitz. Despite doing something good for him, cause he wanted something from BLITZ and tried to drag it out of him." Blitz was right to blow up at Stolas in that episode, since Stolas was too busy being in his own world to notice he was hurting someone else.

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

The problem I see with Hellev a Boss's characters is, the main cast tends to feel static in their 'self-improvement', while even some side characters actually change and stay that way in future episodes. Blitz for example, had at least 2 episodes where he came to his senses and became a better person. Only for the showrunners to completely forget about this and reset him to default...and that's honestly what makes all the drama feel forced to me. Same with Stolas and dealing with his daughter, after the lolo land episode, we don't actually SEE him try to BE a better father. These characters get development, and it gets tossed out the window the second it would get in the way of more drama. That's why watching this show is difficult for me.

[@ninjagirl226]

And it’s not just Stolas and Blitz. They do the same thing with Moxxie and to an extent Luna. The writers know people love the characters as is so they keep them there even though people want to see them grow as well.

[@Riellemoss]

Yes it’s like they don’t allow their characters to go through an arc, and when they get close to any sort of character change they reign it back in for the sake of keeping up stolas and blitz’s miscommunication of a relationship. Instead of including a crucial part of any good story - arcs for the characters.

[@redpanda6497]

Blitzo was trying to be a better person after Truth Seekers, Moxxie was supposed to be braver after Murder family and Stolas should be less neglectful after Loo Loo land. What happened to that?

[@edifiedermine9247]

I think that might be because they’re not really reacting to things like typical characters do, they’re reacting more like people

[@ricky.t.1658]

Actually no, you are wrong, characters don’t have a changing moment and then change forever, Blitz has never truly been touched to a real degree until this point so it’s now that he truly seems like he could have a change. The loo loo land episode was about Octavia understanding that things are different now, that her father is going through bad shit and learning to understand and accept his dad, not about Stolas being a better father as he is clearly doing everything he can

[@CresentMoonVideos]

I do wanna point out something about Stolas's design that kinda.. Irks me? He went from this.. Sleek looking, regal Goeshia, to this round faced uwu soft gay birb and I just.. can't with it.

[@Everyonesfavouriteangel]

I thought I was the only one who noticed that

[@Jacy-dx6dx]

Something soft and squishy for the simps to eat up.

[@Genshin_Addict69]

FR

[@Opalhibiscus]

If stolas faces consequences but he’s crying the entire time and everyone else in the episode says “oh you poor thing stolas!” Or the person has a ‘misunderstanding’ and stolas did nothing wrong, I don’t think that counts.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

But when blitz faces consequences for his shitty actions, The fandom does and says the same exact thing. They're both at fault.

[@Opalhibiscus]

@@Jakky_clarkk I’m talking about other characters in the show. Go away.

[@Jakeyourdoggy]

​@@Jakky_clarkkI know right lmao

[@Jakeyourdoggy]

​@OpalGemstone33 Does it really matter if it's characters in the show or real people on the Fandom? It's still hypocritical to whine about "Oh I don't want people to feel bad for Stolas for wanting the change" While everyone (Including you) is doing the same for Blitzø. It just dint make no sense man 😅

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@Jakeyourdoggy loll

[@ultra6671]

Loona just looks so horrified by that Stolas hypocrisy compilation.

[@hubertberrum6242]

plot twist-she now treat Blitzo much MUCH better than how she treated him before and regret every terrible thing she ever done to him

[@djangosouthwest6043]

She just witness the toxic relationship her dad is in

[@undulycriticalobserver2510]

Remember when this show started as a bunch of imps and a hellhound trying to make ends meet with an assassin company? There was a lot of potential there, especially when Moxy starts putting morality into the job, but then it turned into a generic romcom with an overuse of toilet humor. Idk where Viv made that change but it’s what turned me off from the show.

[@dondog3123]

They originally intended to do similar stuff with parks and recreation or the office influences But we get whatever this is

[@undulycriticalobserver2510]

@@dondog3123 that would’ve been genuinely better

[@TOMNICE]

This series in the future will only be remembered for the porn. Just like Overwatch and RWBY.

[@jasperjazzie]

i wish the show had stayed a comedy and stolas had stayed a villain so bad. it really does feel like shipping ruined the show, which is sad bc shipping can be fun, but viv saw it and decided that turning the show into the blitz and stolas show without actually giving us a reason to root for them to be together would be giving people what they want, when it isn't. it honestly feels like a bad fanfic of itself.

[@megankissinger8269]

Viv answered this in an interview - while writing episode 2. So they picked this route before anything aired. The assassin work is a set piece - it connects everyone and starts the story.

[@GrayAvian]

Bashing my skull in, I want someone to mention how Stolas SA'd Blitz by coercing him into a sexual relationship. He knew Blitz was in danger when he proposed the idea, knew he needed the book to make a living, and I absolutely DETEST him for that

[@UltimateCookieQueen]

I mean its not technically assault but very close to it, I literally hate him in a way.

[@chelonianmobile]

@UltimateCookieQueen Actually it is. Blackmailing someone into sex is legally rape in most jurisdictions.

[@SUB-IN-SUPER]

Stolas has two moods: Depressed And HORNY

[@mask_vids9834]

I've had this thought about stolas for a while, he seems design wise like a villain. His story and design makes me think of fan comics of famous villains which ship the character with others they interact with. usually being "the toxic couple" who hate each other. I'm saying it reminds me of fan fiction where villains can essentially loose their original roles entirely and almost become completely different people for the sake of the ship. and it has been for a while a headcanon of mine that he was initially going to be far more antagonist and less sympathetic.

[@webohzezhy5370]

It's not a theory, it's a reality that it's shown in the trailer of Helluva Boss. Stolas was going to be something similar to Valentino, but more comedic wise. However, because of the new VA for Stolas and the new ideas of Brandon Rogers, they took a different path with this character.

[@gustavogutierrez6568]

Look at the pilot and episode 2 he was definitely going to be a villain

[@Skelet0nCatBlake]

I've always hated his character. He was originally designed to be more on the side of a villain. And even after Vivzie cancelled the pilot as being canon and decided he'd be Blitz's "love interest", she still hasn't really fixed him from that original idea. Blitz is certainly not a saint, but with his "side" of the drama, he isn't a hypocrite. So I totally agree with this video. I don't know if Vivzie is having Stolas be a hypocrite on purpose to be redeemed in some other way, but I have a bad feeling that she might botch Stolas or not write him "correctly".

[@djangosouthwest6043]

I got the feeling that the shows going to do a full 180 like something tragic happening that's going to catch everybody off guard

[@Dabear3234]

HB became its own fanfic after the first season, impressive

[@Rory-u7e]

The worst part about him is he can jus change randomly. There's no consistency. Went from gag to serious character but they had no idea what to do w it

[@samflood5631]

Just like the tone and premise of Helluva Boss.

[@koshetz]

I hate how Stolas first starts as powerful demon who doesn't give a crap about his own planned assassination and later becomes a push-over crying little golden boy who's whole life and personality revolves around his crush when show decided he's a love interests now. Like IMAGINE if it was done to a female character, everyone would def see this as an awful decision.

[@Rory-u7e]

@@koshetz well said

[@JorSweeds]

@@koshetz He was supposed to be an antagonist, then Viv saw the ship and changed her plan.

[@samflood5631]

@@JorSweeds This is what happens when fan fiction ruins good media. It's the same s**t that happened in both Legend of Korra and RWBY.

[@luigiwiiUU]

I wish Stolas was more evil like he was in the pilot, even if he WASNT evil that original voice was great

[@MinaPark-iw3gp]

There were sa allegations against the og actor so it eas basically a given that they would not hire him again

[@luigiwiiUU]

@@MinaPark-iw3gp Wow why is everybody a predator these days goddamn 💀💀

[@MyViolador]

@@luigiwiiUU he was a youtuber, duh

[@area52ron]

I also noticed that when Stolas said “When have I ever-” he stopped realizing that’s not technically true and in the song in the recent episode he questions his view of how he treated Blitz

[@The_Practical_Daydreamer]

Stolas realized in the Circus Blitzø was unhappy and disinterested. He was being petty just because Blitzø didn't go along with him. There is no growth.

[@red-rr3is]

He didnt actually realized, he was too angry to continue what he was saying actually. But in the song, yes. But he still trying to push the blame away from him.

[@area52ron]

@@red-rr3is he seemed to be questioning like what if it was because I was doing this and that’s what hurt him or what if I mistook this for something else

[@area52ron]

@@The_Practical_Daydreamer he was being emotional plus he was trying to distance himself so he wouldn’t lash out but Blitz came anyway so he tried to walk away then blitz kept pushing and pushing every time he’s trying to put boundaries until he is saying things he doesn’t actually mean like for example saying Blitz is talking like striker and that he couldn’t be bothered to come help him Stolas is in the wrong but so is Blitz the two need space and time to learn from mistakes away from each other because they keep feeding into each other’s issues like two hornet nests fighting each other Blitz needs to learn to speak in a way that Stolas can understand (and when he’s not drunk) but also not immediately assuming the worse Stolas needs to learn to speak in a way that Blitz can understand but also not spring things up (Loona also didn’t help with feeding into Blitz’s insecurities and making him think the exact opposite of what Stolas was trying to do)

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Yeah the show's critics. Like say ArteiceTB seem to conveniently leave that part of the song out in their complaints.

[@thetabo8648]

I miss when the primary spotlight of the show was I.M.P. and comedy. I wouldn't mind it if Stolas and Blitz were entertaining together, but 90% of their scenes together are either sad, or sad. I genuinely don't remember one thing in the last 2 episodes that was funny cuz of being funny, just relying on shock value. Another thing to say about Octavia and Stolas relationship though, (so far) we had 1 ep where he made an empty promise about how everything will get better, and him going back to being a bad father immediately, but equally horrible as a role-model since she's supposed to be a royal heir. As horrible as Stolas' father was from what we know, he was at least guided on how to be a proper royalty, but is instead leaving Octavia to her own devices. She might have it even worse than Stolas once she'll have to take after him, and he's 1000% to blame

[@TheBryceTankthrust]

Yeah that bit where Stolas said he "never looked down on him(Blitzø)" is bs and really pissed me off when i watched the episode.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@TheBryceTankthrust fr, he definitely looked down on him several times, just like how blitz looked down on him. Vivian needs to write these characters better.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@Jakky_clarkkIt would be nice if we got an episode where it goes “no, Stolas, you’re dead wrong”. Problem is that the showrunner is more interested in showing how awful Blitzo is than Stolas and having the world reflect that. And, whilst I hope we get the “oh he messed up” bit in the show, it’s feeling a lot like the payoff for the wait isn’t enough to go through all of the frustration a viewer has to get to that point.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@fynchan11 not always, but yeah I see your point, but yet blitz looked down on Stolas just as much.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@christopherbennett5858 that would be great. We really need some character development in these two. I feel like it's the show itself that makes it seem like blitz is so much worse than Stolas. Meanwhile the fandom switches it all around and makes it seem like Stolas is the heartless horrible monster and blitz is the precious little harmless victim. Nobody really understands that both of these characters need development. Especially if I'm going to be liking them anytime soon. 💀

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@Jakky_clarkk Fair. Honestly, the fanbase is more like a big tug of way between which of the guys is at fault and then there’s us going “they’re both bad but you need the work to properly acknowledge it. As for me, both have flaws but the writers have an easier time listing Blitz’s issues than Stolas’ for episodes.

[@HebiHouse]

Stolas sucks, Stella's personality was robbed to make Stolas look like an angel.

[@damienearl8302]

Out of curiosity, what personality?

[@HebiHouse]

@@damienearl8302 hot mommy/jk

[@damienearl8302]

@@HebiHouse Pff- honestly, fair enough though!

[@HebiHouse]

@@damienearl8302 😘

[@federerlkonig330]

Fascinatingly enough, from what we could see (and it was meager), we could understand that Stella was not a good wife, but she was just cold and aloof. True, she did not get up when Octavia had a nightmare, but when kids have nightmares it is quite normal for parents to set "turns" each night. And Via said she missed the times when her parents "did not hate each other".

[@chelonianmobile]

Why does even Stolas believe Stolas loves Blitzo? He knew him for one afternoon twenty-five years ago and they haven't exchanged three words that weren't sex-related since meeting again! He knows nothing about the man!

[@Yeeticus31]

It’s funny that vivzie said herself that she switched his personality up after the pilot “just cause”

[@rungunninja1289]

Honestly they should have kept him a perv and just made him more and more comfortable with blitz slowly to make it more relatable. Like seriously hellava boss got to invested in a b plot over everything else season 2. It’s an understandable mistake that is fixable with a 3 season but doesn’t mean they will get the chance to fix it

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@rungunninja1289 That's true but in the end if stolas stayed a perv than the fandom would have despised him even more and there would be no time for development.

[@rungunninja1289]

@@Jakky_clarkk again slowly increasing his attachment and relationship with him over time instead of just saying suddenly they were actually childhood friends and now he is romantically invested in blitz

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@rungunninja1289 personally, I don't even like the idea of them being childhood friends. A lot of people think it's cute and use it as an excuse for everything

[@rungunninja1289]

@@Jakky_clarkk pretty much. I like it more as a slow cook thing where he really was just hooking up and eventually really did start liking him a bit.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@rungunninja1289 wait huh I think that's how the show already is right? Idk I could be wrong.

[@legendarycryptid2629]

3:09 The fact you used the Kingdom Hearts version of Frollo instead of a clip of his from the movie cracked me up for some reason.

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

If they just end this relationship it will be the most bold decision in the show industry.

[@barbararab6390]

The way the whole narrative paints stolas as some sort of poor baby boy when hes a grown ass owl who: - cheated on his wife (shes horrible, i get that, but stooping to her level wont solve anything) - neglects his daughter, even in "seeing stars" HE wasnt the one to find her because he was too busy with blitz - abuses imps, treats them like crap or just cute pets - fetishizes and dehumanizes his love interest Like, none of these things are due to circumstances, they were all HIM

[@marley7868]

cheating on your wife isn't about her it's about you you vowed to be faithful and broke it for a relationship that is at it's transactional also funnily enough christian said stolas the demon of heck was less evil saying he was nerd who liked and taught astrology labeling his morality neutral

[@Birdyboys]

I think it’s crazy that the show successfully convinced people that you can “both sides” coercive r*pe.

[@Sanakudou]

Agreed!! It’s wild that so many people interpreted this ongoing coercive r*pe as the two of them being in a romantic relationship and use that as basis for lambasting Blitz for being a bad/abusive romantic partner… despite the fact they weren’t dating, Blitz never consented to being in a romantic relationship. I feel like even the writers have gotten so lost in the “yaoi” fanfiction and fanart they’ve forgotten that these two NEVER dated in the actual show. It truly grosses me out that the show is making out Blitz is a horrible person for not returning Stolas’s feelings, they’ve moralised the act of not giving someone who confesses feelings for you the answer they wanted. Stolas’s entitlement towards Blitz’s romantic affection is heavily reminiscent of an Incel “nice guy”. I hate to invoke the “what if Blitz was a girl” argument but the double standards towards male victims really does seem to be a contributing factor in why fans rabidly support a male character like Stolas who exhibits such reprehensible levels of romantic entitlement to the person he’s been coercing into monthly transactional sex.

[@megankissinger8269]

It's not rape. It was coercive and transactional, but rape doesn't apply here. There's a fine line. They should have shown more of his character development on screen first and had him at least try acknowledging his part before getting to the confession.

[@toastysweaters5692]

@@megankissinger8269 If you can’t say no, it’s not consensual when you say yes. Stolas controlled the one thing Blitzo needed to do his job. Imagine if your boss threatens to fire you UNLESS you willingly have sex with him, that is basically rape. And in the earlier episodes, there are countless times where Blitzo is visibly uncomfortable or expresses his frustration towards Stolas’s sexual advances. I know the recent episodes tried to rectify this problem, and I’m willing to change my mind on this subject, but as of now, I can’t possibly support Stoliz because the foundation of their relationship is, from my very soul, entirely gross in real life context.

[@megankissinger8269]

@@toastysweaters5692 While that's true, he also chose to access Earth and use the book. That is illegal and entitled regardless of the reason. While Stolas was definitely gross to hold that over him, Blitz was also not required to run his business like that. They were both stupid in this regard - neither one gave a shit about how this would affect their loved ones in this regard. I definitely see why people are put off by it. I don't think it's past the point of no return, but they do need to tread carefully in the upcoming episodes. I do know for a fact he no longer has access to his house and Octavia cuts him out of her life, so there's some consequences at least.

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

It's people being media illiterate more than anything else.

[@Sky._Luz]

I wonder how Verosika would react knowing that Stolas was also bad in the relationship, like; looking down on him, confusing Blitz about what he wants, practically manipulating Blitz into thinking it was entirely his fault. Even if Stolas has several problems, such as his wife and starved for romantic, that doesn't mean he's the good side of the relationship. So how would Verosika react if she knew all of that stuff?

[@edifiedermine9247]

That’s true, Verosika sort of just assumes that he’s innocent, which is why apology tour turned out the way it did

[@manjushrisarkar9356]

Hypocrisy in a character who was supposed to be good hearted, is bad

[@mathisonchicetawn8445]

6:09 Ok, but on the fact that Stolas is pointing out that Blitz is coming to save him and I'm just '...Blitz didn't come to save you because he was busy getting Loona, the ADOPTED DAUGHTER, the shot that she needed??? and he couldn't just reschedule it because the hell medicare system is a nightmare and he's an imp???'

[@comicfan1324]

Honestly, I’ve never been that big a fan of Stolas. But my issue with him has very little to do with his relationship with Blitzo. I think he failed being a father. I gave him a pass for how he treated Octavia in Ep 2 because he acknowledged that he messed up and pledged to do better in the future… but then when they went to Hollywood, he once again prioritize spending time with Blitzo on some film set rather than focusing on finding his daughter I’m just bewitching (or killing) anyone who gets in their way. It makes it come across like Keyland nothing from episode two. In addition, Octavia is completely justified in saying “why does he hate her more than he loves me?” Stolas DID prioritize rushing through the divorce over spending time with his daughter. I can look past Stolas’ relationship mistakes in his previous, since Stella and Blitzo are both every messed up people who argued did more harm to the relationship than the bird. But there’s really no justification for the neglect he gives his daughter. He may care about her, but he clearly does not prioritize.

[@CountShaman]

You know how often I keep bringing up this argument and people just shut me down as a Blitz stan even though I was specifically defending Octavia? Stolas fans prove my every word about how neglected Octavia is in general without them even realizing it and it's such a silly display. And of course, once Octavia does start leaving her useless dad, I bet my ass Stolas fans will redirect their mass targeting from Blitz to her. Calling her "shallow" and "doesn't develop", when really, not forgiving her father is the best development she could be getting right now.

[@artistanthony1007]

The problem though is she hasn't seen what he did and doesn't know what happened in LA before and during at the studio so she shouldn't get that vibe, it makes more sense and feels natural for her to say *"I know you love me but I feel..." because it shows her unaware, loving him, him loving her but is getting the feeling something is up & whatever Viv is having the team write is unneeded, toxic and just adds to more drama, WE LITERALLY ONLY GET DRAMA! Especially for the families.

[@denissoide]

This is one thing that I don't know how Viv is going to adress, nor stolas nor stella care about Octavia enough

[@maxkennedy7430]

I’m just done with Stolas. I just don’t care anymore with what’s going on with helluva boss. It’s just a animated Soap Opera and I don’t have time for that. Simple a waste of time, money & animation. The Pilot Version of Stolas is far more intriguing and has great villain vibes. Plus the Pilot voice actor (Brock Baker) did a much better job then current one. I’ll take what I can from the pilots from both HH & HB and be happy not watching the rest of the shows.

[@Dr_Mortis_SCP]

He was voiced by Brock Baker? Wow

[@megankissinger8269]

I think they had to fire Brock Baker over SA allegations? If he had stayed a pervert, people would hate him even more. That's the corner they put themselves in when they started that in the first place.

[@LikaLaruku]

I remember reading that they prioritized hiring voice actors who could sing.

[@megankissinger8269]

@@maxkennedy7430 They had to fire Brock. There were SA allegations. If Stolas had stayed that way, a lot of fans couldn't stomach watching that for long. Sex jokes are only taking it so far.

[@redpanda6497]

I like his current voice actor too, he's talented. I'd say they just go for a different approach. But I agree with you about Stolas. I hate how many times HB shows him crying with smeared make up(?) and force you to feel bad for him, and the way it regresses the characters to fuel the relationship drama. You know what? I would actually be interested in it, if it wasn't written like this.

[@Laughingyeen-00]

Viz not writing shit challenge impossible.

[@RogueFox2185]

On his own Stolas is fine but when he’s with Blitz his character becomes irritating, the dynamics with his family are great and should be explored more while his relationship with Blitzo should be toned down more since it’s overshadowing everything else.

[@egg_l0rd13]

I agree. I think the ship is a good idea, but the execution isn’t good enough to carry the whole show like Viv seems to think it is.

[@DragonGirl2000]

​@egg_l0rd13 Which it's unfortunate.

[@nickylag3912]

They had no resonable excuse for Stolas to cheated on his wife, so they just made Stella a one-noted villain with no redeeming quality, even tho she also got put in the same position as him when they were children. They really are 2 face of the same coin but the writers are incabable of doing their job without tripping on each other.

[@BigSeaMonsterThing]

Tbf Stella could’ve at least treated Stolas with respect instead of being horrible to him. If I was forced into an arranged marriage, I’d be frustrated too but I would never take it out on my partner.

[@area52ron]

What happened with Stella in season two in my opinion I think they went with because it didn’t register for a lot of people in episode two season one where she was more focused that he slept with an imp than the fact he cheated on her

[@egg_l0rd13]

This. Even though I’m not the biggest fan of how one-dimensional Stella is (I really wish the show would flesh out her background and what relationship she has with Octavia), I think it’s rather disingenuous when people claim that her character was “changed” to make Stolas seem like a better person. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. She was an absolute tool from the start.

[@Mermain123]

@@egg_l0rd13 i've been saying the whole time there was never anything in season 1 that showed stella as a good person (if anything even in the flashback in episode 2 showed there marriage probably wasn't sunshine and rainbows) but it was easily the most BORING route to take her character

[@jasperjazzie]

@@egg_l0rd13 she was definitely meant to be unsympathetic from the start, but it seems like they went further and further with exaggerating just how horrid she is to make stolas's own shitty behavior easier to justify. she went from rude and unlikeable to actively wanting stolas dead for no real reason (for money, i guess? but why would she want that, she's already got all the money she could ever ask for??) it just feels like they threw every single bad character trait you could give a character onto her with zero possible redeeming trait (not even acknowledging that she's just as trapped in this loveless arranged marriage as stolas is) because that might make it harder to sympathize for poor baby stolas.

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

I would give anything for a scene of Stella and her daughter making mischief at one of her parties after an older relative tells Octavia to fix her posture or something. "There's a time and place to save face, but this is OUR party and he's an old fart, let's put ketchup in his drink," or something. Stella never came off as someone with airs about her, and Octavia's disregard for her high social status can't all come from her father since he carries himself much more properly. I just want one positive interaction, ONE. Then she'd be much more believable as a wicked ex wife, show the reason WHY she's so furious about their marriage breaking down, she should not be that attached to their family unit with what we're shown.

[@area52ron]

@@jasperjazzie I think it was more to make things obvious for those who didn’t catch it the first time and I don’t think it’s money that she wants that’s her brother but Stella is more worried about her reputation I mean if Stolas did it with someone of equal or higher rank she wouldn’t have cared but it was the fact it was a imp that upset her and let’s not forget about how she threw Pringles at Stolas and Pringles only crime was that he was at arms reach of her

[@seeleunit2000]

You make a point. Everyone who wasn't a Stolas fanboy pointed out that, he was in the wrong for the episode Full Moon. Everyone pointed out that, while both these two have made mistakes, in Full Moon Stolas dropped the ball. Apparently, there will be an episode where his hypocrisy will be addressed. But this kind of thing is going to take a while. The Owl is classist, condescending, and spinless, though the real issue are the fans of the Owl.

[@megankissinger8269]

His issues will hopefully be addressed in an upcoming episode. But it's not something they can fix in the three episodes left - they really have to let it cook.

[@nappa1381]

HB is putting far too much of the blame on Blitz. If this show wants me to root for Stolitz, they REALLY need to let Stolas see how much HE messed up, too.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@nappa1381although I do agree that they seriously need to acknowledge stolas's flaws. The show never really put any actual blame on blitz. And throughout the fandom, people excuse every flaw blitz has to. It's only until recently in these new episodes that blitz has actually faced the consequences of his stupid actions.

[@nappa1381]

@@Jakky_clarkk Blitz is the only one who has apologized. That entire episode is dedicated to showing how many lives Blitz has affected. So far, he is the only one getting consequences for his actions. Even if it’s not directly stated, at this point Blitz is being depicted as more in the wrong. I hope that changes, but as Kamen said, Vizie has a tendency to drop the ball on stuff like this.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@nappa1381the sad part is that stolas didn't Apologize yet. It very much Seems like his apology is trying to make up for what he did but Its sadly not the same. But blitz doesn't seem to be in the wrong to anybody across the entire fandom. Nothing can convince me otherwise. And I've seen it all, He is favored by the show and he is favored by the fans. A little too much-💀

[@IsabellaNunes-o7v]

​@@Jakky_clarkkI totally agree with what you said

[@damienearl8302]

@@nappa1381 To be fair, this is also the first episode we've gotten since Full Moon, and it's been indicated in the trailer that we'll have more time with Stolas and his side of the issue somewhere within the next three, so I think we just need to be a little more patient and see how things go from here!

[@vv-by6zj]

vivzie goes on twitter to say that both stolas and blitzo are guilty when it's painfully obvious that the series favors only one of them.

[@artistanthony1007]

Nothing she says is believable, remember she said Millie will get an episode? That was literally Unhappy Campers and then they make that short with her and her sister the focused episode THEN REMEMBER WHEN SHE SAID SHE TAKES GOOD FAITH CRITUCISM?! The criticism on the awful writing, potty mouths, inconsistency with existing knowledge & characters, Hell not feeling like Hell and so many other issues? HAZBIN IS STILL AS BAD AS HELLUVA BOSS SEASON 2! Oh and suuuure she will improve with the issues of HB S2 and Hazbin but guess what? THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM AND MORE LIES! Cherubs & Dhorks are supposed to be Plot B and people shouldn't excuse anything on "She could've gave more time", THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME to give Stolitz but nope nonono oh nonono, Viv could've easily given a chunk of the episode time run to Stolitz. And even after that, people seriously believe Viv is honest, a saint and mean well but I'm not that kind of person, she has been given too many chances to prove she understands and cares but I lost respect or believed once Hazbin came out that she is capable of proving me wrong but instead, I was proven right and that isn't everything that made me see who she really is.

[@artistanthony1007]

Other shows and old ones would already have this fixed way earlier and have better ways to deal with things especially romance, Code Lyoko has William say this to sulking Ulrich after he is told to be the problem *"No that would be too easy Ulrich, let me tell you what's wrong around here, my being around Yumi forces yourself to ask yourself a question, a tough question that you can't answer. Here's a piece of friendly advice, go and talk to Yumi, from the heart or else one day, I will then I really will be your problem"*

[@denissoide]

In the trailer it's pretty clear that stolas is gonna get punished

[@vv-by6zj]

@@denissoide yeah but its also pretty clear that when that moment comes the series will want the viewer to feel bad for stolas

[@blatherskitenoir]

I definitely agree with the "testing". Stolas was more calculative in that whole conversation set up that his fans think. He ensured he was in a position of power during the conversation by preparing for months, not giving a warning about the conversation happening, let alone the topic, wearing full regalia with a friggin CROWN (it's kind of funny how rarely he wears clothes at home, so it stood out), setting it in his home, and by choosing a full moon night, when Blitz knows he has to make Stolas happy. He then tested Blitz's reaction by saying he was taking the book away. Once Blitz started crying, begging to stay, and promising he would 'do better' for Stolas, Stolas felt confident enough that he would get the response he wanted (Blitz agreeing to a relationship) that he moved on to the confession. His confession then included some somewhat unreasonable things, such as a slipped in request for Blitz to move in with him ("I want you to stay here, with me") which were definitely in the "test" category. When he didn't get the fantasy reaction he was wanting, Stolas was immediately disengaged. His entire focus was on how Blitz could provide him with what he wanted, that as soon as it became apparent Blitz wanted something else, Stolas dropped all interest and sought new options.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Yeah good point. I thought it was stupid that Stolas didn’t lead with the gift of the Asmodian crystal, something that would have assured Blitz that his business was secure, before asking for the book back. But psychologically it puts Blitz in a very vulnerable position, one likely to drive him to despair, before Stolas swoops in to save him with the crystal. Stolas expected a fairytale ending, the prince saves the princess and the princess immediately kisses him and offers her hand in marriage, and Blitz does not make a good fairytale princess.

[@graylee945]

Stolas' feelings on respecting Blitz: 📈 Stolas' actions on respecting Blitz: 📉

[@narutouzamaki2907]

I hate the fact that they really did make stella a strawman for stolas' problems. Im still hoping we get an origin story from her soon, though.

[@edifiedermine9247]

Vivziepop said in an interview that Stella will probably have her own episode

[@narutouzamaki2907]

@edifiedermine9247 that's good. She really does give off the vibe that she had a trauma past, and her only way of coping with it is by pretending to be snobby or angry towards others.

[@edifiedermine9247]

@@narutouzamaki2907 I think she really is that angry. From her behaviour it seems like the thing she values the most is her status, and she isn’t super fond of being with stolas because she thinks he’s pathetic. She talked very badly about him to other members of the goetia family to make him seem inferior whilst making herself seem superior. She’s furious when stolas cheats on her because it was with an imp specifically. Someone on the lowest class. That’s embarrassing for her. I’m excited for the show to cover this in more detail

[@narutouzamaki2907]

@edifiedermine9247 Even so, stolas isn't to blame. Yes, she can lie, but she said it herself that he put no effort into the relationship. But eh, I only think this way because when she was first introduced, her portrait was literally her strangling a demon. Definitely some family issues.

[@edifiedermine9247]

@@narutouzamaki2907 I mean.. Stolas cheating isn’t the greatest but it’s a show about hell so…. I don’t know exactly what’s alright for hell and what isn’t 🤷‍♀️ I do like Stolas as a character I think he’s great, he just sucks at life

[@evanluck1229]

I love how 3-5 mins of this video is "calm down Viv, I'm not trying to attack you."

[@TMSonicFan47]

The way I see it, Stolas is a walking pile of communication errors who doesn't think about how others will perceive his actions. Especially, those who feel below him. But the show's probably gonna choose to ignore that flaw to focus on how he screwed up his family life.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@TMSonicFan47 100% true. And my personal opinion, Stolas is a problematic depressed character that is always excused. And I also think that blitz is a shitty person who acts like a victim but never tries to improve. These two characters seriously need development

[@TragicJade]

Same

[@toastytoby]

Literally

[@osmanthuswine5336]

Tbf both of them suck, but the show seems to focus only on Blitz’s mistake and pretend Stolas is an innocent victim

[@Genshin_Addict69]

ZHONGLI???

[@topcat59]

Well it makes sense that Stolas wouldn’t realize he’s been looking down on him, since he is a noble and they tend to not be socially aware on the things they say.🐱

[@emptinessitself]

But... It's still not an excuse for him to be so rude and belittling towards Blitz??? Adding onto that, Blitz did make it clear he's uncomfortable with this type of thing?

[@egg_l0rd13]

@@emptinessitself I don’t think they said it was an excuse? Explanation does not equal justification.

[@red-rr3is]

​@@egg_l0rd13true, but i can understand why they tought it was.

[@calliecature]

@@egg_l0rd13 While explanation does not equal justification, it's so hard to believe that in Helluva Boss' case due to how it twists its own writing to make Stolas the victim.

[@emptinessitself]

@@egg_l0rd13 oh, it just seemed to me as excuse so I felt like I needed to point this out

[@basedleafeon3221]

I am so glad you brought up how we always see things mainly from Stolas' perspective. When it comes to discussions surrounding the Full Moon episode, I see a LOT of people shit on Blitzo and call him an asshole for not taking Stolas seriously, acting like he, just like us the audience, saw the hints and the vulnerability of Stolas throughout the whole show, when in reality.... He didn't. Plenty of people refuse to acknowledge Blitzo's perspective, and struggle to see the way he sees things and how unfair and shitty Stolas truly is to him, and while I agree it is partially due to the ignorance and lack of critical thought, I can safely say it is also the writers' fault because they too want us to believe Stolas has shown any of these traits to Blitzo at all. The show's writing pretends like Stolas is in the right by the way they present and go on about things, the way they focus on Stolas' struggles and highlight him as a poor, innocent boy rather than even slightly hinting at his hypocrisy and overall manipulative behavior towards Blitzo. Apology Tour was by far one of the worst episodes IF not THE WORST of the entire show simply due to how it is all just a "Fuck You Blitzo" episode that treats him like the Hitler of relationships, especially with his relationship with Stolas when it is more than evident upon closer inspection that the one who had the power in that deal the whole time was no one but Stolas himself.

[@calvinclark9478]

Thing that chaps me the most is Blitzo's creepy-ass relationship with M&M, he is just not charming enough (less than a burning tire) to not come across as distasteful. At least Trevor from GTAV has that feral batty-nuggets charm and engaging low moral standards. That is something that I found would have been more given light since Viv is keen on Moxxie being on the reciveing end of intended or acted on predatory behavior.

[@area52ron]

What happened between Stolas and Blitz is both their faults as both failed to communicate in a way the other would understand and unintentionally hurt them Stolas self depreciates Blitz is self destructive

[@yourlocaljoyandhappiness8461]

This

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@area52ronseriously. There are so many people who are stating that ONLY Stolas is in the wrong while blitz is a precious little victim. But in reality they both need Time and development to ACTUALLY improve.

[@kotlolish]

Yep both are bad at relationships. Blitz being self destructive has been hammered to us so hard in several episodes... if you forget it now or you think "This was never the intention" Then either viv's writing is bad... or you aren't paying attention. Stolas self depreciates cause he was sheltered and controlled. Wich is why he took control of the relationship with Blitz and to this day he still controls it. Both of them have trauma and issues to overcome.. but in the latest episodes? Blitz is less bad then Stolas by a small margain. Both of them think they can IMPROVE but their ways are wrong. But the only one who seems to be doing it better and right at the end of Apology tour is... Blitz. Ironically through out this episode Blitz been trying to fix things honestly and just not understanding everything. Also he let's Stolas be happy.. while he wallows in sadness. Meanwhile Stolas...? Still trying to control everything... still not over his trauma and still just not being in reality. Stolas self depricates and just is a dreamer... that is all Stolas cares about in the end... He never saw Blitz for Blitz.. he saw Blitz as a "dream" , "a fake reality" ever since the 1st time they met.

[@egg_l0rd13]

Absolutely this. I know Stolas is “problematic”, but honestly so is Blitzo. They’re both extremely flawed characters and I don’t really like how so many people go straight to blaming one or the other or suggesting that either one of them being “bad people” is bad writing. Last time I checked, characters being flawed people whose actions have negative consequences makes for an interesting story.

[@Jakky_clarkk]

@@kotlolish exactly. although Im very happy blitz finally got to realize his actions effect others and he's "supposedly" ganna improve. But we really need to start seeing actually development in Stolas. I don't even necessarily think they're bad characters. I was just pointing out that blitz has flaws as well and he is ALSO very much in the wrong. I hope that in the future of the show they could BOTH own up to what they have caused to one another.

[@finleyforevermore]

Always great to see/hear people looking at this show critically! :D

[@user-ce9xe1qe8i]

I loved flawed characters but that doesn't mean I love it when the show pretends that the character doesb't have flaws

[@2l84me8]

The show is constantly gaslighting everyone into thinking Stolas is innocent and did nothing wrong.

[@v3n0msp4rk]

Stolitz is a big reason why I can't watch the show anymore, I find their "relationship" mind-numbingly uninteresting

[@kaveric_7614]

Someone in another video brought up a really interesting point in a comment; Stolas' only prior relationship to Blitz was an overtly abusive arranged marriage with little to no respect or love involved. He generally doesn't have many healthy relationships as the only other person besides Blitz who doesn't ignore or hate Stolas is his daughter, none of which would be useful in learning how to have a healthy romantic relationship. The only source of something remotely positive he has is romance books and telenovelas, which are romanticized and Stolas kind of admits that on the couch at the Anti Blitz party. Lastly, Stolas questioning if he’s being naive in the opening song for Full Moon implies that he knows he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but that he has to do something because what they have now isn’t right. The original comment also pointed out Blitz's very "Fuck and Forget" style of relationships which is the opposite of what Stolas wants. Both of them want a deeper relationship but are not in the right headspace to have it. I also think a lot of valid points were made about Stolas' flaws but I see them from a different perspective. A lot of people forgive Stolas because he's "trying to do better" but I think that's oversimplifying what I think is a complicated character. I 100% believe Stolas meant it when he said that he doesn't look down on Blitz, but I don't think it's as simple as that. As you said, he was speaking when his emotions were high so I really think he was being sincere even if some of his actions say otherwise. Stolas, as a Goetia, was raised as royalty to think that he was inherently above everyone else, and even if he didn't think that way consciously, things you are taught from birth for that long tend to linger in your subconscious. I think Stolas' various comments along the lines of "my little imp" that are mentioned in the video come from one of two places, if not both. First is that he is doing it just to tease Blitz, because from S2E1 it seemed clear to me that he gets some kind of enjoyment out of being a teasing bottom, or at least he does it because he thinks Blitz likes it (which is a VERY bottom way to think about it, so that tracks imo). Second is that he does it unintentionally, that he genuinely thinks very highly of Blitz but subconsciously treats people who aren't Ars Goetia as though he has authority over them even if he doesn't intend to (kinda like that subtext you pointed out where he's looking down on Blitz literally, because he is physically taller than him he does whether he wants to or not). Overall I don't think Stolas wants to manipulate Blitz or to test him or have some kind of toxic relationship. But I also don't think he knows how to have a healthy one, given his past. That doesn't excuse his actions, but I do think he's a very interesting character from that perspective.

[@Birdyboys]

Stolas doesn’t live in a bubble and who’s to say those abusers also weren’t influenced by an abusive relationship? He can be held accountable

[@kaveric_7614]

@ I never said he shouldn’t be held accountable for what he has done to blitz, but what does his abuser’s possible abusers have anything to do with what I said

[@Hayakoneko]

Ooooooh boy the crazy helluva boss fans will be after your throat

[@calebpribyl5152]

As a fan of both shows now I accept his opinions! There’s one thing I can fix this show have the “target of the day” and the stolis and blitzo relationship split into their own episodes! I really like the target of the day episodes a lot more!

[@Hayakoneko]

@@calebpribyl5152 Then you're not a crazy fan, cheers mate!

[@calebpribyl5152]

@@Hayakoneko Thanks! I love the shirts I buy at the store sharkrobot! (Ever heard that store?) It’s like my new hot topic! (Either that or Spencer’s?) I bought shirts of blitzo and alastor! And Moxxie too!

[@Hayakoneko]

@@calebpribyl5152 I've seen some of the shirt designs online. They're well done!

[@calebpribyl5152]

@@Hayakoneko Oh so speaking of hot topic I just got news saying that hot topic will release merch for Hazbin hotel! So that’s cool!

[@WolfyPlays07]

I said I disliked stolas as a character on the reddit and I got down voted into oblivion

[@Genshin_Addict69]

People when other people have diff opinions: 😡🤬🤬🤯👹👹👹👿👿👿👿😭😭😭😡😡😡🤬🤬

[@AgentAnime95]

2:16 - 2:18 This is the second time I've seen the exact quote being used from Hellsing Abridged for Helluva Boss like damn, guess we need him as a therapist for Stolitz then.

[@DeathWolf88888]

I'm still mad about Stolas trying to have a day with Octavia trying to bond and show her he cares for her, only to ignore her to flirt with Blitzo who is just trying to do his job. I know he talked to her at the end of the episode, but still, that was supposed to be a day for her

[@theownerofthisaccount2521]

It feels like Viv takes inspiration from shows like South Park and Bojack(both she has confirmed she does) but misses the point of why those worked. I even said to a friend once that killing off Stolas either permanently or a Disney fakeout for a couple episodes would make some interesting developments for the villians(how do they fee now that they’ve done it and what they do now), Octavia(being shoved all his duties without given a moment to mourn, plus dealing with the truth of her mother. Maybe even learning more about Paimon since he was one who forced the marriage), and Blitzø himself but unlike with his mother, he has people to support him. Or maybe have Stolas forced to live the life of an imp(either metaphorically with him losing everything like his power and status, or literally through a curse or some other means) to fully open his eyes to how he’s been treating people. There’s many ways to take his character and even redeem him in more natural ways but the way he’s depicted in the show makes him more frustrating than anything

[@MrMild-sv7is]

when you flanderize a character before the end of the first season to sell more merch

[@themage1016]

My main problem with the series is how the creators bends backwards to justify shit that happens. This can be shown in 2 things; the IMPs contracts and Stolas’ family situation. First off the IMP contracts are supposed to be what the show is about, the pilot and first episodes supports this idea(similar to how shows like Tom and Jerry work tbh) up until they switched focus on drama side of things, now the contracts are a great idea, they are hell spawn after all so them killing humans innocent or not for profit is not a strange thing. What is strange is how their human victims are given roles where the crew end up being justified of their killing, from what I remember we actually don’t have a contract from a petty sinner on an innocent person for the crew to kill, just plain revenge killings on asshole people. Second is Stolas’ marriage, the creators could have made it so that Stolas could share the fault in why it is crumbling but nope(and he does in the show but the creators are really biased towards him), Stella had to be an absolute monster whose existence pretty much justifies why Stolas cheats. Imagine how much better had it been had they been an actual couple that are both drifting apart and it affecting their kid but like it comes off as a “ohhh.. see Stolas is a cheater but Stella is much much worse”, like hell we don’t even see Stella acting like a proper mother to her kid.

[@SammyRobinson62232]

I think Stolas is an example of what’ll happen if you baby and cuddle a character way to much. “Oh they have these flaws but won’t have to deal with any actual consequences that paint them in the wrong” To which I really dislike and feels kinda like wish-full filament

[@Cherry-ki3ln]

Honestly? At this point? I need Stolas to be dragged through mud by the balls for me to believe he got punished enough by the narrative. That guy did so much shit.

[@Sulchan9]

wouldn't he enjoy that thoughbeit

[@morgenwalsh594]

Stolas gets more leeway from fans because 1)His character design is more aesthetically pleasing. 2)He's the bottom. I guarantee if his design wasn't so nice and he was the top, he wouldn't get nearly so much grace. Maybe some, but not nearly as much.

[@sarahthesnail2271]

I have repeated this over and over and OVER but the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of Stellas character is what stopped me from watching. You can still make her evil, you can still make her a villain. But maybe make her a bit MORE than a fucking cutout. Instead of 'oh she was just evil from birth!" because thats not really realistic. You dont need a whole flashback but you cant just make her a big elephant to point at and say "See? Stolas isnt THAT bad I mean look at Stella!!" And like they couldve had something so interesting. She could have been a vengeful royal woman who cares about her reputation because her parents instilled it into her at a young age; that reputation is all that matters. She can still be hurt that stolas cheated on her because yknow, thats a normal thing to do. They were BOTH forced into the marriage. The show tries to make it seem like stella forced stolas into marriage but it seems to forget that they both had the unfortunate happening of being forced into a marriage. But nope Stella is a child who is evil from birth and who deserves to be cheated on. Hell it seems like before she had some traits, like saying 'i want that CHEATING prick dead' for example. It makes her whole speal about 'im here to TORMENT you' sound out of fucking nowhere.. Even that line alone enforces my point; the way the story is written makes it seem like as a child she saw stolas and said 'i want to torture him for the rest of my life'. but most likely she didnt have a choice either!! You couldve had an interesting and most of all TRAGIC character that maybe, took the divorce and learned that reputation isnt everything and maybe couldve turned into someone who is still bad but is *trying*. She has probably gone through the exact same trauma stolas has, actually. Is any of this thought of or considered? No, because inherently heluva boss has a tendency of hating all of its female characters.

[@TOMNICE]

It is weird how this series babyfies Stolas. Was not the whole point that these characters are demons in hell, so they are all terrible and evil from the get-go? Why is this set in hell at all?

[@sarahthesnail2271]

@@TOMNICE exactly. And it seems awfully convenient that everyone who critiques blitzo is awfully ignorant of how he cheated on his wife and is literally coercing blitzo into having sex with him. The only person who really says anything (I think) is Octavia but whenever she says “you cheated on mum” it’s not really taken seriously (If im wrong just say but I’m pretty sure). And stolas isn’t ever like “oh I’m so sorry I cheated on your mother” to Octavia. Stolas is never ever ever wrong, which can be interesting as a character but only if the show ALSO agrees that what he’s doing is wrong and doesn’t paint stolas as the victim.

[@bluesherbet2741]

I agree with the first part of the video so much. It feels like current Stolas and past Stolas are 2 completely different characters. It seems like the show wanted to make Stolas more rational and moral but with everything he did before that the show refuses to bring up now, it just comes off as him being a hypocrite. Also, there is this weird thing where they potray Blitz as this "misunderstood" anti-social character that manipulated Stolas and pushes him away despite begging for his attention internally. Even though demeaning a person throughout the relationship then insisting "I never did that" is much more manipulative; and back in season 1 Blitz was (justifiably) very repelled both internally and externally by how demeaning Stolas was and only fucked him to run his business. Blitz is toxic asf but Stolas is much more manipulative in this relationship. It would've been better if these were 2 seperate relationship dynamics in 2 different shows, where did the dynamic of season 1 go?

[@Villaintrigue]

The way this show handles character development and shipping makes me wish it kept the episodic formula from the first 4 episodes where it was just the imps getting into shenanigans, sticking more with the comedic tone. They can write really good comedy but fumble in more serious content.

[@TiredBirb490]

Unrelated but I never realized until this video that Blitzø calls Octavia “sweetie” in the Loo Loo Land episode

[@sobeth]

I think the writing problem of Stolas comes from the fact that in the pilot, he was created for being the main villain of the series. But during the first season, he was changed in the character that he is now, consequently changing the all series main plot. I'm not in Blitz squad or a Stolas squad. They both made mistakes, and yes, Stolas is a little bit hypocritical, a victim of Ars goetia society and Blitz is tormented by his past and traumas and I hope the new episodes will show the true consequences of their mistakes, especially for Stolas. The real problem is that Vivienne, during the second season, has forgotten to give more space to the Stoliz, making side plots that distract the spectator from the main plot. They made Asmodeus and Fizzarolli greater as a couple than Stoliz itself. Consequently, scenes like the end of Westen energy, connected with unhappy campers, lose his strength and importance as a moment of realisation of Stolas. You can't see clearly the evolution/redemption of Stolas because Vivienne wasn't interested in it in the first place. She has forgotten to show something more about Octavia and more importantly her desperation after Western energy. Furthermore she forgot to make more present the main villains Stella and Andrealphus, instead she created cooler side villains like Crimson and Mammon, when she should have already showed Stella point of view, her family relationship with Octavia, Andrealphus and making start their evil plan to ruin Stolas life and take his hereditary. The proof of what I say is the fact that Vivienne recently said that in the next episodes, they will show something more about Stella and the Ars goetia. Someone would say better later than never and I'm okay with it, but this is the problem. Now they are doing it because the second season will close with the end of Stoliz arch, they have to run quick to make evolve the plot and the characters, after a confusing second season full of side plots and new characters that probably they will appear in the new episodes as new main villains but they took screentime from the main plot. And let's not talk about Loona, which for a slapstick joke that doesn't work, made her out of character and ruined her first moment of redemption in Queen bee. Furthermore, the Loona from Full moon is different from the one of Seeing stars. She is more sociable with Blitz, less violet and protective with him and the M&M. The spectators need to see more clearly their evolutions, not giving us pieces of the puzzle so we can connect them with our theories and thoughts. That is bad writing. I see and understand the concept now of show and where it wants to go in the end, but there is a lack and a lot of confusion on developing characters and the plot. Vivienne, like George Lucas, is a talented, creative person, but a bad writer. Same thing about Brandon Rogers, which is a great voice actor but a bad writer.

[@Galvatronover]

Comment needs some editing in places

[@steggy967]

I honestly think Stolas is the way he is now because of the fans, Viv and the writers of both HB and HH have followed this trend where they violently shove fan theories and ships and fan filler into their shows just so they can please the fans instead of focusing on writing an actual story and in the end it feels like the fanbase has more control over the shows than Viv and the writers Now im not saying confirming theories and all that is bad, because if executed correctly it can really boost a show’s story and make it more interesting however in HB and HH their just there for the sake of babying the fanbase, and with all the filler they keep shoehorning in mixed with the poor writing you get an extremely flimsy show thats barely held together by duct tape and glue Its actually maddening having to watch the creator and writers prioritize the wants, not needs, the WANTS of their fanbase than write good characters and a good story Its like watching a car crash, you just can’t look away

[@L.G.127]

This

[@androidps1440]

It's Star Vs. all over again

[@tex6924]

It was all going great for Stolas as a character until the writers suddenly decided in Ozzie's that he had romantic feelings for Blitzø, unprompted by anything. Stolas pre-Ozzie's is a completely different character

[@dmittleman9757]

As cliché as it sounds, the criticisms and drama around HB and HH is more entertaining than the actual shows.

[@BeeRitual]

People keep saying Stolas will get punished for his behavior when Via calls him out.. but I have HUGE issues with that. His treatment of Blitz and Via aren't the same, and one being addressed does not make the other okay. Also, Via is obviously being manipulated by her mother and whatever happened to turn her against Stolas won't be his own fault, I'm sure the story will insist he did everything he can to reach her, but her mom kept them apart. So Vias anger will be misguided and reflect badly on her and her mom/Andy. People will once again leave the episode thinking "Poor Stolas did nothing wrong and still gets hurt" Via also hates Blitz, so it's more likely fans are going to hate Blitz even more for making Stolas daughter hate him. There has to be an episode addressing that Stolas is classist, racist, fetishsized imps and kidnappings (he has no right to be angry that Bliz didn't save him from Striker) but I don't think it'll ever happen. Blitz already forgave Stolas and sees himself as the problem so Stolas has no reason to change or apologize

[@Eric6761]

To be fair, Octavia is basically absent and I wouldn't be surprised if the show pulled an "I tried everything to reach you" when he barely tried

[@BeeRitual]

@@Eric6761 exactly. They love to tell but don't show with Stolas. Half his effort in improving is just text or told in the most unsubtle way. You never know where he is because next episode might just drop that he donated his fortune to Blitz over the last few months because he's just that good of a guy. Whatever he is critisized for comes up later. Like people criticize him now for his opulence while Blitz is sleeping on a couch, I bet it'll be revealed that Stolas sent him a fancy bed set and keys to a mansion but he turned it down xD cause every flaw he has isn't real, he's perfect

[@Wizkid_Utopia]

Helluva Boss and, in addition, Hazbin Hotel, are many things positive than negative I would desrcibe both of them as. But having a thoughtful story is not on that list. Emotional, maybe, but not thought out.

[@BigTuk]

It doesn't help that the writers have basically flipped stolas's personality 180 to make him..the good guy.

[@artistanthony1007]

And Blitz into someone he never was, the episodes will never change that this is not how these two are, they expect me to be dense and have short term memory but I'm not at all that.

[@cassiushellsin6243]

This entire show feels like an animated Tumblr Blog. Seriously. Just look at the Seven Sins: Of course a 14-year-old LGTQ+ obsessed Tumblr user would see Lust as a guy instead of the popular “female” depiction. Have Gluttony be a furry. Have “Lucifer” be a mis-understood goofy-ass dad wearing all-white clothing instead of his red/black depictions. And have Greed be an insufferable asshole who gets no depth for the sake of the “story.” Because giving him depth would be like “justifying his terrible actions” to Fizz in a 14-year-old’s eyes. And a Tumblr user would, of course, suck-up to Stolas because he’s their clear favorite. You have Stolas singing his feelings for, what? The 4th time already? Yeah, checks out. And don’t even get me STARTED on how the characters yell-out their feelings ALL THE TIME. I can just imagine a Tumblr Blog FILLED WITH TEXT AFTER TEXT when the characters talk about how they feel. This show is just a visual representation of all of that. Yes there’s plenty of good things about it, but, overall, all the good will get drowned out by the bad eventually. And in Hazbin Hotel’s case… how much ya’ll wanna bet that Alastor will have a “change of heart” when he eventually betrays everyone, as well as his “deal” with Eve/Lilith involving his MOTHER? Add bad double-standards of sexual abuse towards Male characters, lots of cussing and sex-jokes, and we got not ONE but TWO whole-ass series depicting the soul of Tumblr as we remember it. I know for a fact that’s not the legacy this show wants to leave behind, but it probably, just probably will, on the slim chance they both get good outta nowhere.

[@koshetz]

I think to depict "lust" as a guy instead of female character is a cool idea. The problem is Viv doesn't understand lust as a sin and have the most shallow interpretation of it (lust being the most WEAK sin despite unsated craving and desire being something that also moves sins like greed, gluttony, envy is telling, like the entire cristian morals revolves about fear of desire for reasons) being just milktoast sеx pоsіtіve dude who of course values concert above all. It's just boring.

[@undulycriticalobserver2510]

@@cassiushellsin6243 sums up my underline feelings about the show pretty well. It’s just a major turn off when it went from a quirky group of assassins trying to make rent in a relatable sense to then do a 180 into boring fan fiction about what tumblr users think abusive relationships and good drama is. It’s not even funny anymore, it’s just gross and trying too hard to be something it’s not when it already had a good premise.

[@OwlpoAnimations]

@@koshetzok but the “lust is the weakest sin” is a general consensus before the show even started. Lust, as a sin, is generally viewed as the least deadly cause it only harms two willing parties. Greed corrupts power, pride causes wars, wrath makes murderers, etc. Lust is generally considered the least deadly because the temptation is an obvious one you can fight off

[@mislavkrznaric1635]

​@@OwlpoAnimations two willing parties? So, what, the coercive rape by Stolas is not a lustful action?

[@TOMNICE]

People pointed this out many times. There is a 4chan comment saying it feels like we are in a weird alternate universe where we are watching a fanfic of the "real" Helluva Boss and the author happened to be a massive fujo.

[@CellSpex]

You're not wrong, while the miscommunication feels real like how people talk, it sympathizes with stolas too much to the point where when it actually holds him accountable it may feel too little too late. Generally these are well written scenes, but it makes the relationship feel too imbalanced. BUT we also have a problem that 'its my duty to point out criticisms' are often really people complaining about personal preferences instead of people making efforts to try to understand what the work is actually trying to do and not purely relying on their first impressions (like im one to talk, I do this all the time) Stolas flaws are there and they are subtle, but literally like two moments of making those subtle moments less subtle would do a lot. Honestly I think the biggest factor may even be less the shows writing than it is releasing the episodes this far apart so fans perceptions of characters get locked in place for too long.

[@Mangakamen]

Oh wow - I'm surprised this video got on your radar :) I do agree that the "it's my duty" and people are complaining about personal preferences - I mean, as critics, it's easy to fall into that trap and I'm not going say that I don't fall into that trap all the time too - Cause I agree we do need to analyze the work for what it does, not what we want it to be. I do think that the potential for this to be a strong pay off is there, but I have this gnawing feeling in the back of my head that it'll just be shy of the bulls'eye - If that makes any sense. I appreciate the feedback and your two cents on this :)

[@CellSpex]

@@Mangakamen Makes perfect sense, I have the same fear, but I'll give my two cents to add to my existing cents another day. Appreciate your thoughts :)

[@Mangakamen]

Yup - Besides, we're youtubers - We're essentially incentivized to give our two cents :)

[@Birdyboys]

I can’t help but notice every time someone brings up valid criticisms you complain about “personal preference”. It’s not a “preference” to point out that the show is heavily criticizing the wrong character

[@Amy-ts9gm]

@@Birdyboys​​⁠​⁠​⁠Apology Tour is not about criticizing Blitz. It’s about the shared flawed behavior between Blitz, Stolas, and Verosika. It being centered on Blitz is the flaw Stolas, Verosika, and Blitz himself have if that makes any sense. Like for Stolas, he can’t recognize what he’s done wrong but he can can recognize what he perceives Blitz has done wrong. For Verosika, she always perceives Blitz in a negative light, never leaving room for nuance. Then Blitz himself, he only wants other to perceive him the way he does, with hate. Their ALL focused on their own perception of reality and disregard everything else. This shared flaw is what the episode is actually about, with Blitz being the one to try to overcome it. The show is not just doing this to criticize Blitz, they’re doing this to develop him.

[@alienonlsd3209]

I'm personally disappointed by the fact that they haven't done more with Octavia you will be okay is a gorgeous beautiful legitimately effective emotional scene that does a fantastic job of establishing just How Deeply he cares for his daughter and it was in an aspect done so well that I was willing to take him becoming a serious character as a thing considering prior he was basically just a joke. As for the relationship with blitz I'm not opposed to it but I'm at this point not watching the last three episodes that have come out because I want this Arc to be done with. I I'm so disappointed by season 2 of lack of focus there have been some great episodes in here that work both on the character writing level and are entertaining get the story keeps just jarringly jumping from one thing to the next we're following one thing for way longer than it should.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Stolas is manipulative AF, and innocently insensitive behavior can only excuse some of it. Stolas forcing Blitz to agree to a deal when the latter is in danger? I can excuse because Stolas might not have realized Blitz was in danger, Stolas himself is probably immune to human bullets so it wouldn’t necessarily have occurred to him Blitz isn’t, in the same way someone who isn’t allergic to something won’t necessarily think about the fact someone else is unless reminded. But the whole thing with how he presented the Asmodian crystal was manipulative AF. First he leads by demanding the book back, knowing this will put Blitz in a tight spot and make him desperate, before “kindly” presenting Blitz with the solution to his problem, when it would have been just as easy and less cruel to present the Asmodian crystal first, give Blitz a moment to process that Stolas is basically setting him free and then stating that he’ll be taking the book back and then asking if Blitz still wants to be with him. Then later when he compares Blitz to Striker he’s trying to manipulate Blitz into denouncing Striker and telling Stolas what he wants to hear and then when Blitz doesn’t do that he gets mad again. There’s also that the two are basically opposites when it comes to their daughters. Blitz is shown making sacrifices for his daughter, he prioritizes getting her shots over helping Stolas, he gives her the only bedroom in his apartment while he takes the couch, he makes sure to show her he loves her even when she’s being violent. Meanwhile Stolas is shown to not particularly care what Octavia thinks, he used taking her to the park (where she didn’t even particularly want to go) as an excuse for a date with Blitz, and of course he ignores her wanting to see the stars. We also are told that he hasn’t been teaching her magic, despite the fact that she is far older than he was when he started learning the Grimoire, and we can infer that one of the consequences of allowing Blitz to keep the grimoire is he doesn’t have it on hand to teach Octavia how to use it and other forms of magic. And the result is we can see Loona is getting closer to Blitz, although right now she’s doing so in the most tsundere way possible, while Octavia went from having a close relationship with her father to being estranged.

[@SuperstarMelodii]

Guy's I really hope Octavia prefers Stella over Stolas, I fear that even Stella would be able to have a healthier mother-daughter relationship with Octavia than Stolas ever could

[@TheGreatLordDIO]

What I hate about this is that the show sometimes treats it seriously and sometimes it doesn't even acknowledge what's wrong or screws up the pacing of this conflict. Back when season 1 ended there was a first drama between them. Blitzo inviting Stolas to a club only because he wanted to spy on M&M's while Stolas not defending Blitzo against public humiliation Fizz, Ozzie and Verosika were doing. Back then I thought season 2 is gonna start with them being not cool with each other, having a serious talk about what was going on there, but nah the show just casually forgets about that incident and only shows us some text messages for 3 seconds, real lazy... Just as we had a confontation between them where episode ends with Stolas saying goodbye etc., the next episode just shows a casual scene of them talking to each other being salty and all. It's really weird that back when we really needed a serious scene between them to talk things over, there was none, but when it's not suitable to have a scene like that we got one.

[@pronxolotl]

I just hate how the show still keeps trying to push their relationship even though it is clearly shown they're too toxic for each other. Like if the idea is they eventually realize their flaws, don't end up together, and actually try remedying their past mistakes in healthy ways, then I can kinda get behind that! But unfortunately it doesn't seem like the show is trying to go that direction, cause no matter what happens they just make each other worse. Like bro this thirsty lovesick bird nonstop prioritizes trying to get with Blitz OVER fixing things with his own daughter without consequence. The healthier option is for them to end their relationship for good, but nah they can't cause the main plot of the show now IS their toxic yaoi drama.

[@danielmatson4209]

There was a therapist reviewing the episodes and said that Stolas was "really good at communicating" and I was just like...???

[@julliestans2271]

Honestly I have more problems with Stolas' stans than with Stolas himself 😭 I still have a little hope on the series

[@lukasthelucario6938]

While im a long watcher of your reviews usually I don't comment on them, and this will probably get lost in the sea of comments. But I want to talk about how this video actually kind of helped me think about myself a little bit. As as weird as this may seem stole this has been a character that I highly connect with due to having a lot of similarities. I will not go into detail on all the similarities, but it's been pointed out even to me before when watching with friends. That I very much talk and even sometimes almost emulate the character but I've been doing it for years. And the whole testing that you brought up. I realize is something I've been doing for a long time, as the sense of betrayal oh that I've had in my life as well as the untrusting nature of the world around me. Has definitely made me make this decision in both friendships and relationships. I've never really realized how destructive it is until today since I've never been able to seek therapy but know I probably need it. It works well as a good defense mechanism when first getting to know someone, but it's a little ridiculous to affect a significant other or a long-term friend with.... Tldr: thanks for making me learn something about myself and maybe realizing my own faults. ^•^

[@Kalashee]

Honestly, it’s purely just a writing issue. It’s beyond clear that Viv only has and only wants to be sureounded by yes-men/women. She can’t handle criticism, and she doesn’t want to improve her writing, or even just step the hell aside and let someone else do the writing. No, nothing’s perfect, but the shows could be a HELLUV’a’lot better, but she just doesn’t seem to want or think so. Which is a damn shame, but seeing how far-left leaning she and the sycophantic fanbase is, that’s just par for the course.

[@grimm8375]

The pun was unnecessary but hilarious. 😂

[@Kalashee]

@@grimm8375 All puns are unnecessary 😬 But that one just happened by accident, but was a perfect fit.

[@artistanthony1007]

It's a Viv issue, she's the one who greenlit this years and has shows made like this, the way they're written is not just a factor but how she has the team do the episodes, she even accepts how the structure and pacing is done.

[@justrandomstuff6828]

If Apology Tour was a wake up call for Blitz, Stolas needs his own, he created the entirety of this situation

[@leonre3677]

I think Stolas is going to be punished by the Goetia, that's the only way for him to gain "self - awareness" .