HINSON vs REKLUSE - Which Clutch System is Better?

[@VlogEpicness]

I just learned more in 10 minutes than my whole freshman year of high school 👨🏻‍🎓

[@Olsson229]

Haha me to :)

[@WJamesBeoch]

Dang common core curriculum.

[@bigshnitzeljesse]

My skool lernt me bigly-er then you're skool

[@drumtwo4seven]

And Im your first thumbs down 👍

[@P00P_]

Same

[@chucknobles1100]

I have read and watched many reviews on the Rekluse and Hinson and not one of the magazines or other testing guys has ever shown the wear and tear with the rubber gromets or explained the slippage that way. Very cool good job Jeff.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

EXACTLY

[@roostin]

Cause when the media guys start bashing companies or pointing out major flaws people are less likely to give them free stuff hence the “they’re all really great” statements in the bike shootouts

[@mxcollin95]

Well done man. 🤙

[@numbzinger350]

I couldn't agree more. I had no idea what damage a solid lockup could do. Bravo!

[@thebrowns5337]

​@@roostin I don't think that's the only reason, and not totally valid because if the testers have a major following it's free advertising for the brands even if the 'tester' doesn't 100% love the product because the 'tester' will always want to seem happy and positive to an extent or people literally turn off (watch the missenden flyer - both he and Zack of Revzilla find lots of positives and then add the negatives as a side note, on bikes they like even saying no bike is perfect so I must find some negatives. In fact TMF happily says he doesn't care if manufacturers don't give him bikes to test because there are always some that will!). The bigger reason most testers won't go into detail like this is because they don't know! Some are clearly not mechanically minded at all, they won't think to look at the rubber dampers in the clutch housing, might not even know they are there as they just test bikes and hand them back and have their own serviced at a main dealer, probably for free.

[@motoxguy7]

I KNOW I’ve been riding longer then you’ve been alive and I’ve NEVER heard/seen a better explanation of how the clutch, as a system, works! After the tons of clutches that I’ve replaced, THANK GOD, I never had to explain “how all of it works”....until now! Next up...explain the damn intricacies of SUSPENSION!!! 👍 I even own the suspension Bible and still can’t explain it!

[@masoncrowell8368]

Agreed. Would love to see a suspension video.

[@4lifeAU]

Great job explaining how a clutch works! I would love to see more of this kind of stuff on the channel.

[@dhkonrad]

Really good video, and definitely some good info. A couple things to note though for whatever it's worth: 1) The amount of pad area on each fiber doesn't directly affect the grip of that fiber. It merely changes the pad pressure, which can affect the life of the fiber material. In general, lower pad pressure = greater pad life. 2) The Rekluse has an option included in the TorqDrive kits to greatly reduce the clamping force, which would allow you to reduce the torque capacity down to the level of a Hinson or Stock if there is concerns about durability of the transmission, but with a much lighter lever pull than a stock clutch or Hinson. 3) The Rekluse basket is not a one piece gear on the back, it is similar to the Hinson in that it has dampers, and the basket is assembled with allen head bolts allowing the dampers to be serviceable. 4) There is some benefit to having the steel core thin fiber plates of the TorqDrive because they don't expand as much as the aluminum core fiber plates of the stock or Hinson. 5) Starts aren't typically what kills transmissions and basket dampers, whoops and landing hard on the gas is what does it. But it is true that a clutch with more torque capacity will be harder on the basket dampers and transmissions in those situations.

[@kylethomson5614]

This is currently the best example of how a motocross clutch works on the internet, I have never seen it explained to easily and well before, thanks Jeff

[@West_Anderson]

if you think this is best explanation, you haven't looked very hard

[@biggiegtp]

Nice breakdown in layman’s terms. Please keep them coming.

[@lgj1962]

The design intent of the increased friction surface in the Rekluse system is to afford lighter spring pressure (aka lighter lever pull force) for an equal amount of torque transfer through the clutch...so Rekluse uses lighter springs, not heavier. The deterioration of the basket dampers you showed was from thermal abuse, not physical abuse by dumping the clutch ...from my experience (P.Eng in failure analysis). Not saying you were abusively over heating your clutch through the lever, but most likely putting higher loads on the clutch because of its inherrent ability to handle the tongue in higher gears...which generates lots of slip and friction heat....these clutches can be ridden in higher gears because of their design, but doesn’t mean they should be. Yeah, I am a little bias toward Rekluse but hope this insight can clear up some of the confusing details given in the video...I agree with all other commenters that this video is a good start in putting clutch engineering in layman’s terms.

[@mareksumguy1887]

Larry J yeah that’s what I was thinking; it looks like the elastomeric material was overheated and thus hardened/embrittled.... shattering like hard plastic.

[@Eldon95084]

This is not an auto clutch which allows riding in the wrong gear. This is a standard manual clutch with better lockup allowing cooler runing temps based on lest friction. The rubbers look hammered not fried.

[@lgj1962]

Eldon95084 You are correct, the auto-clutches due seem to encourage riding in the wrong gear with resulting more slip (and heat). However, any clutch slips and produces more heat when ridden a gear too high or lower revs...it’s just the nature of all clutches. Also, I agree it’s impossible to tell from a photograph about the failure mode of the cushions (not dampers or dampeners....they are just shock load cushions). Could be hammered or heat...or both. I’ve had experience with pro riders here in Canada where the failure mode was almost 100% heat related and looked fairly similar to the pic here. So it’s just an educated guess 😀

[@lgj1962]

Cooler running temperatures are the result of the increased friction surfaces in the Rekluse design...I.e. more friction reduces slip and heat. Other systems have less friction and thus more heat.

[@lgj1962]

@@kellybrown6988 Rekluse offers I think 3 different spring rates for their springs. You should contact their customer support for exact numbers. I am not affiliated with the company at all.

[@markd2858]

Great video, I'm a 50's vet rider, intermediate level, I have a 2013 CRF450R with the Rekluse 3.0 with over 70 hours and no issues, have a 2019 CRF450WE with the Rekluse Radius CX with 30 hours and no issues. These are both the "Auto" systems which I like. I would say I'm pretty easy on a clutch as I had over 50hrs on the stock 2013 clutch. Congratulations on the new team and best of luck this motocross season.

[@mikenimmick3920]

JW explained in 10 minutes what I learned over 30 years...lol. EXCELLENT job. EXCELLENT, easy to follow video.

[@nathan116roberts]

Great break down! But yes like somebody else said do a triple clamp vid and break down the difference in offsets. Keep up the good work man

[@chaseharman6376]

Yea, I hear yuh... I know a guy, first hand, that didn't check if his rubber was intact and did some serious damage.

[@kodyodell8223]

That's how you end up paying child support! Haha.

[@terryferguson8897]

Barnett also makes very good clutch components, worth consideration, especially their clutch baskets and pressure plate with steel inserts in high wear areas.

[@joshba79]

I've been riding for 25 year and have never truly understood the inner working of a motorcycle clutch. I do now. Thanks for taking the time to brake each function down and explain it in plain English. Looking for to more components like suspension & transmissions.

[@Fantisan95]

That “basic” overview of how a clutch works just solved a 20 year mystery for me. Cheers

[@theKXgreen]

Nice job on the explanation of the 3 clutch systems and comparing their functions vs. performance. I think many readers got a clearer understanding from this video.

[@jeffballa4059]

Great break down on clutch operation, but sorry, I'm a stickler for misinformation, not entirely correct on basket, hub relation. Outer basket is only "connected" to the crank(kick starter if equipped, and water pump). Inner hub drives the primary shaft spinning the first set of gears. The second set of gears meshed with the first are connected to the counter shaft/sprocket and drive the rear wheel. I know I'm being a nit-picker, but let's inform accurately. Great channel and hope to see you at MX Express this spring/summer!

[@burkhardt7372]

stfu

[@duck9191]

Exactly the clutch drives the trans.

[@Wdbjr12345]

I have a rekluse i love it. I don’t beat on the clutch but i definitely slip it out of the hole a lot more. It’s got over 20 hours on it now and it still is good. I never even thought about the rubber parts but when i do my side cover I’ll replace it and see how they have held up. Definitely a light feeling unit for sure. Great video.

[@sobhi05]

I'm new to the motorcycle world at 50 (should've done it sooner!) and this is by far is the best video I have seen that explains clutch and the mechanics behind it. Kudos to you, young man and thanks for the information.

[@5JSP55]

I just wanted to hop on here and say thanks for doing such an informative video and explaining these 2 systems in a clear and concise way anyone can understand. I've had several guys try to explain this but your video allowed me to understand them 100%. Wish there was other videos explaining installs and such as good as this. Thanks a ton.

[@dennismillus4581]

Woh, thanks for the heads up. God video. I just ordered my Rekluse Torque manual last week. I am no pro but, my bike is a 2010 Service Honda CR500af. So, I will be monitoring my Clutch more. Figures I see this video a week after I bought the Rekluse. Thanks Jeff Walker.

[@yamaman6882]

Great job on explaining how a clutch works and the differences between stock, Hinson and Rekluse systems.

[@mudpro200]

Nice vid! Note: To those that might not know but different brand motorcycles have different rubber damping systems. Some motorcycle brands dampers are easer to maintain and replace than others.

[@vintageludwig]

I will say, regardless of the topic the video itself, you just gave me the most comprehensive understanding of the clutch system in general. Thank you.

[@realcharlebois8719]

I understood how a clutch worked before the video, but was bouncing between these two clutch systems to buy for this season. This video was so helpful. THANKS JEFF!! keep up the great work.

[@lorin03hansen]

This video wasn’t made to explain clutches yet you gave the best explanation I’ve seen of them👏🏻

[@tomcrnkovich1661]

Easily one of the best videos you've done Jeff. Led me to comment which I dont typically do. I felt like a really well informed rider and this video was an eye opener and one I think every serious and/or passionate rider should watch. Really, really nice work.

[@waprouty]

One of the best KZbin videos on dirt bikes I’ve ever seen! I have a masters degree in engineering and I learned more in a few minutes from your video than in weeks of most classes. Nice job!

[@ODST993]

This helps me out with my 2002 Honda cr125. I'm upgrading the fibers, plates and springs to Hinson with OEM basket. Then my dad is wanting to put a Rekluse system into his 2005 RM250. Some of the stuff will help.

[@mdlynch86]

Great video! Always wondered about the difference between the two and stock. How about doing a video on triple clamps and how the offsets make a difference?

[@JonIler]

Best explanation of a motorcycle clutch I've ever seen. Rad comparison, very helpful. I'm definitely going Hinson!

[@erichildreth7562]

I am a self taught mechanic and I do all of my own motor and suspension work including revalving suspension using Race Rech equipment, your description of how a clutch works is spot on!! Very nice explanation and thank you for taking the time to explain it!! The Hinson system works best for this guy. :)

[@randallodom1320]

OUTSTANDING Video, Jeff!!!!! I really appreciate the extra time you took to demonstrate the stock clutch system to the Hinson / Rekluse systems. It provided for a clear understanding, and helps with deciding which route to go with the style of riding that I do. Thank you!!

[@teamwoodswarriorsracing2004]

Should have added barnett as well to complete the big 3 in clutches

[@evanjohnson5480]

Great information without a cheesy sales pitch. You give me hope in humanity Jeff.

[@chriswalent814]

What a great educational video! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!

[@lbaraby]

Best explanation of how a motorcycle clutch actually works I've seen yet. Great job!

[@jaimejones7473]

super informative and original content, never heard this explained this way before! was trying to decide between these two right now! more vids like this please! and more technique ones too please! Thanks

[@GCSimons]

That was super informational and a lot of stuff I didn't know or even think about. Great job!

[@kurtdavidson9808]

After Purchasing A2021 YZ 125 I have been watching tons of videos on clutch and top end rebuilds. Just for fun I have been thinking about upgrading my clutch system and could not come to a conclusion as to what set up I was going to use. This video was more informative than any videos I have seen yet. And honestly I think I have seen just about all of them. I did subscribe to your KZbin channel and I will absolutely be looking for more.keep up the good videos and I hope you can do one on pistons and top ends as well as performance pipes.

[@JeffWalker84]

Hey guys! I mis-spoke in this video when I said the Rekluse basket was one piece. The Rekluse basket is just like the Hinson and comes with the rubber dampeners which are replaceable, so that's a solid upgrade and I highly recommend it if you go that route! Also, I would like to point out that Rekluse offers 3 different clutch springs: silver (softest), gold (middle), and red (stiffest). I was using 3 red and 3 silver springs. Using 6 silver or a combination of silver and gold will result in a less aggressive clutch and can improve life-expectancy in the TorqDrive system. Thanks for reading!

[@chipsnpeasifuplz]

so in a nut shell a rekluse system is more catered for pro's like you where you're more likely to replace a clutch after a race meeting or every other. i've known of pro's killing clutches per day or even getting new plate between races in world champs.

[@williamsiewert6822]

Heads up, dampers, not dampeners. Great video!

[@chipsnpeasifuplz]

@@A1soldiersaint your biggest problem with an oe basket is they wont be as resistant to notching. You dont have to buy the meantioned clutches to have a good 1 there's plenty of great brand like mitaka.

[@iwilldieforhim]

Jeff Walker I’m in the middle of this replacement now so I’m glad you clarified. Definitely does have the rubber pieces and isn’t one unit.

[@geneparker168]

Not to mention when u said the the inner hub connects to counter shaft... THAT IS WRONG... inner hub sits on the input (lay shaft) . The front sprocket does go on the counter shaft... nice job with description of how it works tho...

[@TristanLaneMX]

Good stuff Jeff! Never tried a Hinson but the Rekluse system is next level as far as performance to the rear wheel.

[@keshmo12]

I got a hinson in my trail bike and it's pretty great. Been kinda trying to wear it out so I can try out one of the rekluse auto clutches. That hinson clutch is holding up great though!

[@Edubbcamaraman]

Thanks J Walk! Just got a full Hinson set up. I’m even happier with my purchase now. 💪

[@boburwell9921]

I have a Rekluse slipper clutch in my service cr500 and love it. It takes absolutely no effort. One finger operation and it literally feels like the cable is not even connected to the lever. Effortless. And greatly reduces arm pump. Worth ever penny

[@zayuh2313]

Bro. Talk about research and giving an AMAZING detailed review. Amazing man forreal. Thank you bro I really really appreciate it.

[@mrilikeskateboards]

Wow, great explanation! Stock clutch for me! I'm no racer, just road, trails and a few jumps for me, reliability is my biggest need!

[@craigmonteforte1478]

Hey Jeff I already knew how a clutch worked came here for the Rekluse info but wanted to state you explained the standard clutch excellent fast and to the point

[@scottaddicott8723]

Jeff, Roger needs to hire you as a development engineer. I don't know how someone (you seem very young) your age is so well spoken with the smarts and experience to back it up but dang son, I'd watch your channel all day long and I'm 57 years young. Keep up the awesome work.

[@Pontus95x]

man you should totaly do more of these! for different parts and maybe other stuffs aswell?! rad video, wery well explained!

[@Purpyboi]

Man thanks a lot for the video! Dunno if you're allowed to (due to sponsorship policy and stuff), but could you maybe tell us about your experience with gear you've used so far? i mean what helmet/boots/protection you find the most comfortable and best quality-wise.

[@jarodlee3009]

Great information about clutches. Honestly never knew the differences between the two. You should make a video on Bars, different bends and cross bar or not ect. In the future when more information is released, make a video on the new 2021 crf450r. Your impressions of it!?!

[@michellatour150]

Just a small correction but the inner hub is connected to the gearbox MAIN shaft, it's gears then drive the COUNTERSHAFT and the output / drive sprocket.

[@idrissalam]

Best explanation i heard so far on the clutch and thanks for comparing. Can you do a video on line selection and another one on suspension setting. For the suspension, it would be grate to explain how you feel the reaction aon the bike and then why you go stiffer or softer in compression and rebound. Personnaly i have hard time knowing if i have to keep turning the clickers or if it really helping me on the track. Both videos would help a lot.

[@ericc90]

Gosh I've never watched a more thorough video and I never lost interest!

[@linktuner]

Clutch outer basket connects to a crankshaft, inner basket - to a transmission (which consists of two shafts, on prime shaft inner basket on other shaft - drive sprocket) so real order is crankshaft - outer basket - inner basket - transmission - sprocket

[@bigshnitzeljesse]

With cover off, you can see those movements when moving the rear wheel and turning over the engine. I learned exactly how clutch works as a kid doing 1st clutch job. Just dive in and fiddle with your bike parts. What you learn will stick with you.

[@Sleepy.Time.]

great information, always wondered about what was the deal with Rekluse clutches

[@smidly7192]

That was a really good explanation of how the clutch works. Good job mang.

[@BrandonKurtz410]

I haven't searched for it yet but I would think there would be a urethane option for those dampeners rather than just rubber and solid... that could help preserve your transmission without having to replace those things every 6 hours

[@motofreak2772]

Brandon Kurtz typical urethane bushings are much harder than rubber and would increase the risk of transmission damage. Not sure on the durability performance but I’d guess worse than rubber also. What might work is a urethane foam like they use on jounce bumpers but I’m not sure how they perform soaked in oil plus they compress a lot more than rubber which may cause a weird delay feeling in power delivery. It’d be worth trying at least.

[@jasonvanrooy6895]

Thanks mate that was probably the most informative video I’ve seen on not only the Rekluse but also the Hinson … was the stock clutch you were comparing them too the stock Rekluse then the Hinson and then the Rekluse top of the line …

[@Dylans503]

1:50 That's not how a clutch works... The transmission doesnt turn the clutch basket, the primary gear does The crank is connected to the primary gear which in turn rotates the clutch basket. Everything else was on the money though

[@diegofianza3525]

A very very very articulate comparison. Thx! A question from a rider who is not near an expert or professional level: would using a Talon Cush Drive hub help minimize the wear and stress on the transmission/parts when using this Rekluse clutch?

[@ericwinner3587]

Super informative and helpful in understanding how clutches work and how aftermarket clutch systems vary. Excellent job Jeff!!

[@dannuthals7045]

Great video Jeff, but just a quick note of clarification: At 1:40 you show the outer clutch basket and inner hub spinning independent of each other. That is correct. However they spin the same direction - not the opposite direction.

[@curt248]

You might want to get on board with an r and d department for design decisions or a magazine for reviews. Great review. MD or DO is good though as a back up. Lol

[@JakeRawSon]

Thanks Jeff, my clutch isn't woking right and I'm about to open it up for the first time.

[@knch1102]

Friction is independent of area. Doesn't matter how much area of the friction plate is covered with fiber. Diameter, friction factor and spring force are the factors to determine transferable moment. Other than that great explanation!

[@DoubleOJoe]

Great video Jeff explained it very well like non other on KZbin! Quick question so do you recommend upgrading the who clutch system or do you just do the plates and springs?

[@Decepticon313]

Teaching at the most organic level, good job Jeff.

[@noahzumbo1555]

Hey man thanks a lot for the information I am looking at a reklus torque drive and a Hinson clutch basket, answered all my questions.

[@michaelbiernat6826]

Great video way to make my clutch selection much easier was completely undecided until i found your video helpful

[@MacMackay]

I would like to see you do a Video on what you have in your gear bag. Shows us what you wear protection wise and give us your reasoning on why you do or do not wear certain pieces of equipment e.g. neck brace, knee braces, chest protector etc.

[@griffithracingteam2412]

Awesome video brother. I thoroughly enjoy these informational videos like this

[@ReturnOfDeeO]

This is great, Jeff. Thank you for explaining it so well for someone like me who doesn't know the internal workings. If I drop a Hinson into my bike but run the Rekluse cover... will you tell?

[@jonas5890]

What brakes are you running? And what pads to that? Your making Perfect videos to Watch for my offseason training 😎👍🏼👍🏼

[@Luke-pt3ew]

Great video mate I’ve just purchased 2020 CRF450 this info is gold thank you !

[@IamIvanStan]

Great info. It stopped me from ordering rekluse and probably saved the bike. Thank you

[@jcsquared1111]

Blown away you broke those clutches down like a fraction!! Great job 👏 totally made me understand how they work!!

[@MrJames-dk3my]

Very good video, you answered all my questions and helped me decide on which clutch to get. For me, Hinson is the way to go. Thanks Jeff.

[@dynamite5198]

Do a video on how to find comfort in your suspension and how to decide if you should increase or decrease rebound and ect.

[@gustavomello6667]

Best explanation on the subject i've ever seen.

[@andresbraun4718]

You are the man Jeff, nobody has ever mentioned this before. Nice and quick explanation!!

[@garrickpridemore413]

Jeff, thanks for an awesome breakdown and explanation of something I use every time I ride, but never really understood. Ive seen several pro riders in the pits running Rekluse but never asked about them. I dont think I have the skill to use those, and should stick with either factory or Hinson for now

[@twistedfilms9712]

Thank's for this. I have decided to go with Hinson on my 18 KX450F! liked and subbed

[@MrMotocross450]

Awesome explanation of each clutch system. Great video Jeff.

[@charlespatterson3936]

That was an awesome video, and I’m a 61 year old rider who doesn’t even come close to riding at your level. But I am looking for a few upgrades over stock. Well done. I’m a subscriber.

[@bwcdesign]

OK Jeff... dido to the others before me regarding your exquisite explanation!!! Now I'm about to purchase a new to me YZ. It's a 2000 with a 295 big bore set up for enduro. It has the 'x' transmission and a Radius CX clutch. I will not use the auto clutch and am looking for a replacement. I'm a vet rider 60+ yrs young moving away from all track riding to now off road/enduro riding. I"m 180lbs and on my WR 426 I slip the clutch on technical riding alot. That said I'm thinking I'm in the Hinson clutch arena but the off road scene is totally new to me. 60% of my riding will be 2nd and 3rd gear tight single track in the Tahoe & foothills area with 1000' of climbing for every 10miles (give or take). The other 40% is Nevada desert single and double track 3rd & 4th gear sandy terrain with a little less climbing. Any comments would be helpful, as you said the aftermarket clutches are $$$pendy, and I'm trying to make an educated decision. Thanks! BW

[@geneparker168]

Hey jeff... nice job .. awesome learning video for beginners... 1 MISTAKE THO.. THE INNER HUB SITS ON THE INPUT SHAFT(LAY SHAFT). NOT THE COUNTER SHAFT... FRT SPROCKET DOES SIT ON COUNTER SHAFT. LOVE THE VIDEO... RIDRED...

[@St.Bier734]

best overview of how a clutch works !!!!!

[@jonathanstead880]

Great stuff Jeff , the tech report is really useful ,much appreciated thanks

[@Waylon151]

I don’t comment on any videos but this was just too dang informative and explained so well I had to. Great video, keep up the great work

[@nathanlengyel9235]

Excellent video! I came for the opinion on the rekluse torque drive. Ha turns out the Hinson has less friction plates then my oem ktm clutch. Thats crazy. Good day yall

[@mikeschoen2756]

Great job explaining the differences, very helpful

[@hotrod_the_stuntman]

Incredibly informative, glad I watched this

[@northeastgiants775]

Seeing your privateer video through red bull was sick!!! Your father is the man as well as you keep up the work AAND GOO FAASSTT BRAPPPP

[@DawsonBradbury]

Does your clutch pull get any tougher with the aftermarket setups since you have the heavier springs? I’ve got an 18 KX450 and I’ve heard rumours that these clutches fade fast. Could be a good idea to upgrade to the Hinson system.

[@sanjuaneropr]

Lots of good information in this video and learned something new. Thank you. Keep up the good work.

[@dtrim7450]

Thanks for the info haus! I’ve been torn on a clutch for my 450rx, been racing harescrambles with it. Stalling is bit of an issue but don’t really like the idea of an auto clutch.

[@albhyking5169]

You can also use the stock spring to ease the preassue