His Son Is a Risk to Our Family (Should We Break Up?)

[@jessicabender1301]

Lady, get your kids OUT. You're their only advocate

[@jill61421]

THANK YOU!

[@tammyreise]

Exactly! It’s not worth it.

[@middleagedcrazy5297]

Amen!

[@elainenilsson5472]

That boy needs a rubber room and there is no doubt those turkeys were not drowned by accident. These two families are not a good match.

[@oldgeezer2780]

Sadly, I know of two men who were troubled as boys, and they never became normal. Both sort of drift along, supported financially by the government and their families. Neither one was violent, though, at all. This kid sounds far more troubled and frankly dangerous.

[@amatorlux]

Dad, there is no time for romance. Your purpose in life is to save this boy. Not to traumatize more people.

[@marilyndalen3197]

I sure do hope this boy is helped sooner than later and or put him in a safe place from all people. I would not trust him at this point at all. So very sad for everyone.

[@Anabee3]

Yes. This would be so difficult, but if they're in love, they'll be in love after his son is stabilized.

[@paigegainey7099]

I second this!!

[@MaletinaClarke-rq9ds]

Can't believe their desperation to blend families, inspite of the serious problem for the 6yo. If this man, really cared for his son, he should know that he's the priority, above any relationship.

[@SunflowerBeeHappy]

Agree 💯. His responsibility is to the child he helped create.

[@CountryValues]

I live in Colorado and call total BS on not being able to see a specialist and get a full mental evaluation in a timely manner. This year my son was flagged and then tested for ADHD. When I called the main hospital in Colorado, Children’s Hospital, that has satellite offices all over the state, they were able to get an appointment set up within one week! Meanwhile, we have been treating our older daughter for some pretty severe anxiety, post Covid, we were able to get in to see a psychiatrist for a mental evaluation within a month. There are plenty of providers here, he would’ve found someone who could have gotten him in within 1 to 2 months max if he had kept calling around trying different offices. Drive up to Denver, Colorado Springs is tiny in comparison. I do want to add that while Colorado has various mental health providers, there is still a shortage here. But not nearly to the extent he discusses. Psychology Today is an amazing place to search for mental health experts. You sort by location, specialty, insurance accepted, what specialty you’re looking for, etc. I did a quick search and there were over 225 psychiatrists in Colorado Springs.

[@DonnaLena1]

There is a KZbin family I follow that has two severely autistic and disabled children. They moved specifically to CO because far better health services and education are available there. These people are not being completely honest. RED FLAGS 🚩

[@theresamc4578]

It is my opinion that he wants FREE evaluation, is not willing to pay for his son's mental health. Run, lady, run.

[@colleenhollenbeck6929]

I agree I live in Colorado I’m get better health care then I did in California for mental health and health in general.

[@mrsdejunky]

Came here to say the same.

[@mombythesea2426]

I agree. My cousin owns a clinic there for specifically this issue.

[@RaleighLink]

14:17 "are you recommending we split up the family??" YOU'RE NOT A FAMILY. Both of these "parents" are subjecting their children to dangerous living conditions for their own selfish relationship desires.

[@zjay1356]

Agreed! An infuriating situation. They both don't seem to understand how serious this trauma is. I don't hear any emotion in the guy's voice other than anger at his ex. This child is in desperate need of help and the other two will as well if they're not protected

[@cleanandgreenketo]

How is it not a family? Because they're not married? That's an insane viewpoint.

[@zjay1356]

@cleanandgreenketo they just met 2 years ago. They didn't live together a year ago. It's not ridiculous to split up. Allowing another kid to abuse your children is child abuse. You are responsible to protect them.

[@Meems-p7o]

She is not thinking. I would leave this man so quick it isn’t even funny. Never put a man before your kids.

[@MattCasters]

Or a woman, for that matter, given the crazy ex, the cause of the whole mess.

[@pimaggot]

Many of us single parents date, hook up when we don't have the kids and then focus 100 percent on the kids when we have them.

[@cheesycheese7100]

​@@iansmith5911 your way would be teaching a kid to rush into a relationship without putting their own childrens' needs first

[@cheesycheese7100]

@@iansmith5911 they are not spouses. I mentioned rushing into a relationship because that's what the video was about. Two adults who moved in together bringing children, without being married, and are leaving a violent child alone with other children. I'm well aware how important it is for a child to have a mother and a father, but that's no excuse to rush into a bad family situation. I would love to see your "research" on how this is a good idea

[@JonathanTodd-og7dd]

@iansmith5911 research show massive amounts of abuse by step parents/ or step sisters/ step brothers. Research shows that 60 percent of second marriages end in divorce. Research shows that only a third of those marriages characterize themselves as being happy. Research shows that 70 percent of blended family marriages end in divorce. That is why as a single dad I am committed to not get married again - focus on my kids when I have them and date, work and have fun when I don't.

[@butreally289]

His troubled six year old son left unsupervised away from the house near a pond? That alone is worrying.

[@sidni.d5989]

With a 5 year old. That could have been the kid instead of the turkey. I could never!

[@jarkachalmovianska7812]

Yeah they both should not have custody of the any of the kids...

[@lcam9241]

An UN-troubled 6 year old probably shouldn't be left alone at a pond either.

[@redcomic619]

It’s sad and this may sound insensitive, but even at 6 it’s probably too late for this child. He’s going to be a danger to himself and to society.

[@KittyHannah]

Stop being selfish. Focus on your son. That poor boy has never been in a stable environment! Now they want to move again!?!?! That boy needs love and to be grounded. Sorry. That is the reality of being a parent. Period. All the energy you have put into building your new family.....put into him.

[@maggsg6209]

Wow, this dad is winning all the gold in the Denial and Minimizing Olympics. Absolute insanity.

[@spacelady4935]

The mom is just as delusional.

[@brigidbrown6881]

​@@spacelady4935she took silver

[@opjplamlvbrown8113]

'He spends hours playing with her (the two yr old)'. That sent a shiver up my spine. And I could tell Dr. D felt that too. I just hope that play is supervised.

[@sandracisneros862]

I really hope it was supervised play time because nobody talks about CoCSA (child on child sexual abuse), but it does happen more often than people realize

[@sunshinehowells9845]

Why would the play with the toddler be supervised? When the play with the five year old isn't supervised and the turkeys died. How long were the five and six year old alone, with those turkeys inorder for 2 of them to be dead? No one is parenting these children

[@isalu8939]

23:58 for those looking for that section :)

[@l.m580]

That part about him changing his tune on the baby, he’s possibly dealing with DID

[@judithflom6366]

Nonsense. He’s probably copiyjng behavior and splitting his crazy manipulative mother modeled.

[@bernadinetinker3028]

She is actually afraid: afraid of being without a man, afraid of not following her instincts, afraid her husband will get the kids, afraid of this child. They need separate homes. She already knows.

[@mimir1885]

Period!!! U said it! Separate homes 100%% that keeps most of all those fears at bay! I'm engaged and we already agreed on separate homes. We currently are living separately our whole relationship and will continue too after we marry. Of course I'll have stuff at his and hell have stuff at mine but as for where the mail goes, its going to two separate homes lol

[@alexatedw]

@@mimir1885lol

[@alexatedw]

@@mimir1885that’s cray cray

[@alladreamwedreamed]

Spot on. Hate seeing women put themselves in these positions.

[@biellaspointofview2054]

I believe you meant ex husband. The fact that these two plan on moving out of state probably shows ex husband isn’t much involved because he would need to give permission. Personally I wouldn’t want my kids in a different state.

[@victorialombardi]

This is probably the most disturbing call I have ever heard on the Delony show. These parents are absolutely clueless and do not understand the severity of the situation.

[@rudomwadiwa2183]

Isnt that why people call in? Because they dont know and they need help

[@thefaithonista-cristinamye7038]

This.

[@JimbleThimbleThomble]

@@rudomwadiwa2183yup. It seems so clear from this side of the screen, but if I were in their position, I would definitely seek advice

[@dennisdearden2652]

She does know, she needs to leave ! she just doesn't want to be on her own, women is a fool. Her priorities are the safety of her own two children first.

[@AnnaNicoleVinopal]

These are two parents who care more about themselves and their new relationship than his traumatized child. They didn't want help for the child, they wanted permission to stay together at the expense of the child.

[@rmmmmt2796]

Animal killing is one of the main signs for antisocial personality. I pray the family gets him help before something worse happens.

[@MrJimmy3459]

The precursor to the vast majority of adult murders was animal killing, they should take this seriously

[@co9971]

i wouldnt go so far as to say that he's actually antisocial. at that age, you can be curious about things like this. however if he's repeatedly killing animals, that would be more of a sign of antisocial behavior.

[@tanjamilakovic5262]

​@co9971 No. Children that hurt animals in any way are not normal. Period.

[@rmmmmt2796]

@@tanjamilakovic5262 it's not like the child is killing ants, not to diminish the life of an ant.

[@lot2196]

He didn't just "drop" a turkey.

[@ashtonstout7375]

This father has full custody, yet he abandons his child with his toxic mother for 8 days?? He is extremely traumatized because of her and she gets unsupervised visits?? His little boy’s behavior is markedly worse before and after his unsupervised visits with his mother and his father continues to hand him over to her?? This man’s priorities are severely out of order.

[@BrainsBeautyandCommonSense]

The courts force residential parents to hand over kids for visitation, and even abusive parents rarely lose visitation until something bad happens. One reason for this is bitter parents that make false allegations of abuse, and the problem of parental alienation. Be careful who you sleep with and who you marry.

[@lunacarolyn]

This!

[@luciaconn6788]

The kid's responding to lousy parenting. The Dad wants to abandon his six year old to the incompetent mother and move to Nashville. Dad's seeking Dr. John's endorsement. Awful parents! Left a 6 & 5 y/o unsupervised in a barn, and then blamed his 6 y/o for the Turkey poult's drowning.

[@oneanddonetzone3673]

Let’s face it the dad sounds like a Simp. He doesn’t sound like he has any command or control. He sounds like he makes excuses for bad behavior and doesn’t take the personal responsibility to take corrective action. This is a disaster. I’ve seen far too many parents that want to be a best friend to their children. Somebody needs to be in charge and it sure the hell isn’t going to be a five year old if you want a successful family.

[@WoolandFlax]

​@@oneanddonetzone3673 You are clearly very young and naive

[@susanlighon1174]

Separate. Dad focus your full attention on your son. Mom do not subject your children to this potentially tragic situation.

[@asiancutiePacolovespecialchara]

it looks like the couple is more concerned about their love than their children safety there is a ab3632 Fape lawthat the school district is responsible for emotional mental health if it impacts their schooling and it definitely does he would be allowed services for free counseling and medication I work with these kids for 14 years he has ADHD with a touch of antisocial personality you could already see that bedwetting ADHD cruelty to animals those are the indicators the antisocial personality is genetic they should not live together at all and with ADHD violent child like that he should never be left alone with animals or children there's got to be a lot of structure micromanagement because if you turn your head for 5 minutes to hurt somebody I'm a licensed mft I've been doing this for years working with Emotiinally Disturbed children and Adolescent

[@MB.543]

@@asiancutiePacolovespecialchara Why no punctuation?

[@user-wq7hw2ow9l]

Replace the word potentially to inevitably.

[@yorocco1]

Yep…

[@karenfriesen280]

I am thinking you are an older adult. Your advise is very wise. Couples get caught up in the fantasy of the Brady Bunch. Real life is not that. All of these children deserve their parent’s full attention. I won’t be popular for saying this, but I wish families would not try to blend. My experience as a school teacher tells me it rarely works. Kids must come first.

[@kristines.5348]

My jaw dropped when he said the son is still spending holidays with the abusive mother. The poor kid will never get better if he continues to receive periodic doses of trauma.

[@PrincessZaire100]

Blame the court system. The father can not legally deny the mother her visitation rights. It’s a court order and if he doesn’t follow it, he can risk losing custody or going to jail for contempt

[@toscadonna]

The abusive mother? The father is right here defending this kid and saying things like “someone” put the turkeys into the water. The father isn’t even telling the truth at this point.

[@kristines.5348]

@@PrincessZaire100 Yes, however there are legal remedies which the father even mentioned. He just sounded resigned to allowing this to continue because the process is difficult. This child is headed nowhere good if his mother is allowed to remain in the picture.

[@TonyCox1351]

@@PrincessZaire100blame the court system?? This dad sounds like he puts in zero effort. The kid has been having problems for 2 years and he can’t get him into a shrink with a 6 month wait list…dad is the problem. I bet he offered visitation to the judge

[@bebop2523]

@@PrincessZaire100no, do not blame the court system in this instance, because the father hasn’t even TRIED to adjust the custody arrangement. He has not even ATTEMPTED to get full physical custody or supervised visitation. It would be one thing if he tried and the courts shut him down, but he has not even attempted.

[@hothotheat3000]

If my mom exposed me to this, I’d never forgive her. She’s choosing a man over her kids and they will never forgive her.

[@lydiaross4801]

Take care of your son. Take him to Charis Bible school. They can pray for God's deliverance and healing for the 6 year old. You can drive there today!

[@emmajones8590]

@@lydiaross4801 Bible thumping is not going to work.

[@sBaum]

This happens every day folks..so sad

[@beer1403]

But but but she has to have a life too! She has to feel empowered. Feminism is cancer.

[@baristaz8834]

​Yeah no, praying doesn't do anything, actions and actual professional help does. ​@@lydiaross4801

[@BerryGood4U]

Did it bother anyone else that all the kids were in the barn “far away from the house” with no adults and a child they knew could be violent?

[@Manibular]

Yes, I don't know why they're handling young children this way.

[@NrthrnKnght]

my hair stood up and then The dad said "someone" was holding the turkey ..YOU KNOW DAMN GOOD AND WELL IT WAS HIS SON!!!!

[@lynaeeakettgreene7208]

Yes. That bothered me a lot. Especially with the other kids being younger. And I'm assuming probably smaller than him.

[@lynaeeakettgreene7208]

​@@NrthrnKnghtyeah that made me sick to think about.

[@Madinaash]

It’s giving orphan black ….

[@evarodriguez4319]

Sir, you cannot leave the 5 year old and 2 year old with the 6 year old. You are not a family. The 6 year old is making sure of that. Give each other up. Woman, protect your 2 kids. Man, time to devote intense focus on your son.

[@lisafeck1537]

Yes! And dad, do not be pissed resentful of your son that the relationship did not work as you wanted. The son will never heal have any kind of quality of life, ever, if dad doesn't focus, and love, and be the advocate for the son. Woman, get out! Do not make excuses, equicvicate, justify, to get the man/husband, adult relationship YOU WANT, at the expense of your children, the entire family. You will destroy yourself, and your family to push to hold on to something that is doomed.

[@bodyofhope]

​@@lisafeck1537 he'll just find another woman with children. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the second or third relationship after his divorce. He had a child with a woman who had severe mental health issues, and left his child with her. My father did the same, and even after he was told again and again we were being abused, he didn't do anything except stay away from the house even more. The only reason this father is so "concerned" right now is bc his troubled traumatized son is interfering in his current relationship. Selfish selfish selfish.

[@vaska1999]

​@@bodyofhope I think you're right. 😢

[@isa4573]

Yea he sounds like a guy that needs a relationship. That women is insane. I am a single mom of 2 kids...if this kid was the kid of the guy I was. Dating.... NOPE.... not happening. Wouldn't waste another moment.

[@ccattery]

Psychologist, residential treatment.

[@rebelwithacause2229]

They won’t break up. They were looking for an answer they didn’t receive. They were trying to find loopholes to stay together. The correct answer is to separate and not put her kids through this, but she is trying to find a way around it and so is he.

[@jenniferruth812]

Yep.

[@chrissy1448]

Exactly… her kids are going to suffer and get messed up in the process.

[@brandyk]

These people sound so reasonable and appropriate and it's likely if they were your neighbors or coworkers you'd like them but...and they are not alone here but they are extremely selfish n immature. They already both had their shot at marriage and they were even lucky enough to have kids at least. I don't know how old they were when each married their kids other parent but sounds like neither was a long marriage so I have to question how quickly they married these people who they probably thought were so wonderful when they met. Especially the man, John is it? If his ex is as bad and unwell as he portrays his picker is off big time. Obviously if they are living together for a year already then they must have at least met and started dating 8 months to a year prior to that. So her 2 yr old couldn't have been more than a few months old and she was rushing into another relationship instead of healing herself n just being with her kids. Already her focus is on a man. Is this for self esteem n self soothing or for financial? And what if him. What did he learn from his marriage as even though she is clearly not well he must have some ownership here even if it was originally getting involved with her without knowing the real her. These are the same people who when their kids grow up to have resentment toward them or messed up lives themselves or end up in long term therapy like to say that they did the best they could and no parent is perfect. Heal yourselves n your children and then look for a relationship. Yes you may not find one worth being in that's always a possibility but there's also no guarantee this one would be all sunshine and roses either even without this added concern. I wonder too if they met each other while one or both were married. I do wish them luck n I do give them credit for calling at least. Most don't even do that so u never know their story .

[@loriloristuff]

I hope not to hear about this on the newsfeed, when the 6 year old does something after they move to Tennessee. But this kid is a danger to himself and others. But these two so-called adults are not gonna separate.

[@montymython754]

The correct answer is that if you get divorced, your responsibility now is to raise your kids. Not to date, not to remarry, not to “blend” a family, not to make new kids with someone else. It is to RAISE YOUR KIDS.

[@jamesgreenwood837]

As someone who owns chickens ducks and turkeys. Turkeys, if put into water will float, and they can swim around. Those birds were drowned…

[@cg741graf5]

Absolutely- they can swim and fly off; We have wild Turkeys and domesticated at farms.

[@michelleeaton9282]

OMG…

[@kellymarieapplebee]

My goodness thank you......I have a load of poultry myself, whilst Turkey's are not ducks, they do not sink like stones.....@@cg741graf5

[@LCee7]

I was looking for this comment bc logic told me they’d float.

[@Letstalk295]

I hate the way the father is playing of like it just happened. He shouldn't be dating any woman let alone one with kids. All his time should be on how to help the son and stop him from harming animals and or people

[@mandyellis876]

This father sends shivers down my spine with his absolute intention to ‘see no evil’. Dangerous man, dangerous son…

[@dancy62]

Sweet lord. This dad is clueless. “Someone killed the turkey, we don’t know who because we weren’t there” after leaving a 6 year old with severe mental issues unsupervised with a 5 year old around water.

[@christineoneal666]

I'm surprised the 6-year-old didn't try and drown the 5-year-old.

[@nixxblackwood]

hes lucky that was a turkey and not the 5 year old or the baby for god sake.

[@SunnyDenmark]

​@@christineoneal666Maybe the father called at the right moment .... But next time who knovs ????

[@paulatobler8354]

That really gets me. I wouldn’t have left my kids at that age around water with no adult supervision. Now I understand there are different opinions on how much supervision kids need, but whatever you think about what kids can do on their own, how do you leave that 6 year old alone with a 5 year old at all but especially around water? How are they not watching that kid with eagle eyes at all times, but especially when he’s around other kids, given his history? If there was a chance to keep the kid in the home, it wouldn’t be possible in their home. They just don’t take it seriously enough to do what needs to be done to keep everyone safe.

[@christineoneal666]

@@SunnyDenmark Exactly!

[@georgiabessie]

If she marries this man, her ex-husband should take his children away from her.

[@OopThereItIs77777]

The little boy needs to go to a facility. Until he gets the help he needs. They can still marry but the little boy needs to go get help outside of the home

[@sirennoir258]

She wants that man who thought it was a good idea to rip his kid from stability every three months is good parenting.

[@zackfelker]

@@sirennoir258the mom is the source of this mess. What are you talking about?

[@jet4415]

RUN LADY! Killing animals??!! Fake remorse??! Can we mention Ted Bundy??!!

[@karmencarmen1720]

@@zackfelker I think you’re misinterpreting the comment above. His father is the stability and his mother is the source of his stress. The father has already witnessed that every time he is either about to come in contact with his birth mother, or leaving his birth mother’s home his bad behavior is amplified. Therefore, the father is knowingly, taking away the son’s stability by allowing him to be in unsupervised contact with the mother, and whoever else is in that household. In my opinion, the fact that he already has full custody of his son indicates to me that if he were to seek out only supervise visits, he most likely would be able to obtain that.

[@sarahp8937]

Caitlin, my mum chose her relationship over our safety and I'm 35 YO and it affects me every day. Please, please, put your kids first

[@dianemorton2222]

The child might need to see a neurologist. This child could have a brain problem. He needs medication. Prayers for this situation. So sad.

[@jaciriley123]

Also 35 and also still dealing with the trauma as well hugs and love to you Caitlin we might feel alone but we aren't xx

[@josiedickson6959]

Agree ..this happened for my daughter also ..tragic

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

My womb donor chose NUMEROUS dudes over her kids (borderline personality disorder) and didn't even like being a mother. I had to get FIVE men tested to find out who my father was when I was 40, and I was lucky one of them was because those are the only ones I KNEW of. Many people should never be allowed to breed.

[@DiraMcClintock]

Why are they moving out of state. Another huge source of instability in that kid’s life

[@deebedwell9877]

I had 4 kids and married a man with an unstable daughter. I thought I could "save" her. She was 8. The trauma and abuse she caused my youngest son was awful. Demons are real. I left eventually, but the trauma was done. Please don't do that to your babies.

[@NrthrnKnght]

you have to protect your children at all costs...she needs a man who doesnt have children

[@MegaMarVerde]

did you think you could change a person? You crazy lady..

[@charlierohkohl5182]

To assume it is the same would be a failure to the kid. He needs therapy and love

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

Demoms definitely aren't real. Psychological, mental, neurological, behavioral, cognitive problems ARE.

[@laurelschiller8753]

I’m sorry for your experience.

[@htexas918]

This whole call is so disturbing. The dad minimizing his kids psychopathic behavior, the dad sending the kid back to the kids abuser (maybe to get some free time), the dad not starting the call with the insane violent abuse his son experienced, the woman putting her kids with a dangerous kid and selfishly prioritizing her romance over her kids safety, the dad not having the kid in intensive therapy, the dad not moving to find serious care or even looking where they are moving. They are living in an insane asylum. Not sure how John made it through the call.

[@Veracityseeker7]

John is better than me, because I would be screaming and yelling at them both for their selfishness, and prioritizing their romantic and sexual needs over all of these children.

[@MyName123.]

Wow you're so judgemental. These are humans struggling to do the best they can and calling Dr. John for help. How about you have some compassion, mercy, and offer some kind words to help? Have you handled every problem in your own life perfectly? No. Humble yourself please.

[@raemil9252]

@@MyName123. He was not being judgemental. He only repeated what the caller said. Those are called facts.

[@laurendecamp3368]

@@MyName123.it’s not judgmental, it’s what they said. This situation is incredibly serious and dangerous. That little boy is one tiny step from hurting the other kids in the house and the parents here are not grasping the severity of the situation and they are prioritizing themselves. They are minimizing the violence this kid is acting out and they are not admitting that this will keep getting more and more vicious. This situation is one step away from being very very bad. What compassion would you like here? Compassion to the parents who are knowingly putting their children at risk? We are well past having compassion, we need action.

[@Lady-Fearn]

​@MyName123. These parent's aren't doing they're best and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying otherwise. These parents are doing a terrible job! They've put having sex over the safety and well being over their own children. They left a 5 and 6 year old alone next to a large body of water. They left the kids alone long enough for the 6 year old to drown two birds. The parents should thank their lucky stars that the 6 year old chose to murder two turkeys than one his step siblings.

[@flowersgrimm]

She will absolutely stay and her children will be his next victims. People are so selfish, her happiness is more important than their safety.

[@jojoyeu]

Is she even happy?

[@karinaz8756]

It’s not happiness it’s co dependency. Neither can be alone. The dad wants to dump all of this on someone else.

[@andytaylor1588]

Her happiness will turn into horror after her kids are murdered by this boy.

[@danimilan1376]

It’s very disturbing but yes she doesn’t want to separate, and her children are already victims to some extent.

[@NrthrnKnght]

@@andytaylor1588 that is where this is heading or sexual attack on the little girl..bail lady do it yesterday!!!

[@tahsinarahman168]

Safety of kids > Relationship

[@poetryqn]

Thanks. You said it short and sweet.

[@alladreamwedreamed]

It's so embarrassing to see some people get so lonely or anxious about being single, that they will link up with a literal psycho

[@meganhunter1921]

Wow, this is such a frustrating call to listen to. They are just trying to figure out how to get what they want, not how to do what’s best for the kids. So gross

[@jack4762-s3c]

Couldn’t agree more

[@shaunamalo2308]

He needs to be 100% focused on HIS child, not having a romantic relationship.

[@OHsopositive]

I suspect that, even more than the romance, he wants her help in parenting 😏 They’re each others’ safety net 😢

[@Letstalk295]

1000000000000% not sure why he's looking for a woman especially one with kids. He needs to only be seeing doctors

[@annstewart8506]

Exactly!

[@tamb7587]

Amen!!!

[@VALENTINAH856]

Amen

[@mariaking4950]

The adults are annoying me. I understand the Dad needs to talk and explain the son's good points and Dr Delony gets it and he is giving him time to talk, but I feel they are both trying to manipulate the situation so that they get his blessing to live together..... like a couple of self absorbed teenagers. I wouldn't countenance subjecting my daughter to one second of that sort of of risk..

[@meiimacca4054]

Exactly, herbkids are going to be harmed and she'll have no one but herself to blame.

[@Veracityseeker7]

Exactly

[@foxbuns]

​@@meiimacca4054agreed. but more likely than not she wont accept the blame and put it all on every man she chose, instead of realizing that SHE chose those men.

[@suze2012]

Yeah, like, SHUT UP, Dad, and get help!

[@tomigirl30]

There is no way I would subject my children to a child that needs so much help. Your children should come before ANY relationship.

[@meesh1002]

Yes that’s my thoughts too!

[@devynselnes4282]

I bet the mom is psycho 😅

[@akpenguin1859]

There is no way you would subject your children to someone who needs help? Thought you said they need help? Lol

[@racinfilly]

Doesn't sound like they will really follow his advice.

[@disco4535]

This is 100% wrong. God comes first, spouse comes next, kids come after spouse. Its very common for women to get this completely incorrect. Your wife/husband isnt just for the feels. You have a duty to them if you are married.

[@AprilI3180]

Why were a 5and 6 year old out playing by a body of water unsupervised? And admittedly far from the house too? Wtf is going in here

[@tspfull]

agreed!!!!

[@jenniferhuerta9824]

I was wondering this too.

[@oneperson5760]

It was likely a water dish for the animals, not a pond. But they shouldn't have been far away from the house, unsupervised, especially since they know one child is messed up. These parents are not making good decisions.

[@emilyzahand8609]

And sounds like they leave him playing with the 2yo for long periods…

[@Monalisa0622]

Just realized something. She has a 2 yr old and has been with the man for 2 yrs. What the heck. Why don't people take the time to heal with their children? Why don't they just take time to develop a new way of relationship with their children? Live life with your children after divorce, enjoy them for a few years. Down the line, a few years later then begin dating.

[@robinp2039]

I thought I was the only one who noticed this

[@kitw76]

Exactly! People that jump into relationship to relationship can’t be alone. I always feel sorry for the kids… when I woman chooses a man over her kids it’s so infuriating!

[@JonathanTodd-og7dd]

Oh !!! Good catch. This is such a train wreck waiting to happen. Poor kids.

[@Michadoo]

I work in a children's hospital. We had a baby who's mom died of covid and she had some complications. When it was time to go home her dad already had a new gf and she was the one who came to the parent education. Not him. Parents are insane.

[@kbc1883]

Exactly! When I heard them say they had been together 2 years, I knew that mom doesn’t put her kids first over her own relationship “needs”. Her 5 yr old son had to deal with losing his dad, having a sibling come into his life, and his mom dating someone new and then moving in with psycho kid all in less than a year! And then to hear the parents let him be alone in a barn with a 6 yr old who harms others is unfathomable. I played in barns my whole childhood and I know the kinds of things that can go wrong when kids are very responsible and kind and older. So why would they allow that risk? And why would they raise animals? Animals take time, money, care… put that toward your kids and forget the farm fun unless that is your only source of income/food.

[@lonidenham849]

Few things I noticed, the callers are not speaking a language that says "kids come first". They just keep saying... well, we hear you but... how do we get what WE want? I have doubts they're going to take the advice, and something is going to go horribly wrong. They should've heard this 2 years ago. If they're engaged to be married, then they can take the money they would've used on the wedding to get the kids the care they need. I mean, this child needs significant attention, you don't have the time necessary to build a marriage-ready relationship under this level of stress, then everyone is having unmet needs so much damage...

[@JonathanTodd-og7dd]

Right! And they can still date, and have fun when the kids are in school or with sitters or something. Just don't coparent and live together.

[@R_S747]

They're incredibly shallow selfish people, they don't care that a two and five year old are in severe danger as long as they get to live their fantasy

[@CathrynGreyson]

Neither parent is putting their respective kid(s) first. Doc’s advice is spot on.

[@michellepalmer5283]

John, I'm a therapist in Northern CO and this little boy with the extreme behavior is my type of client. I cannot guarantee I can help him without an evaluation and an opportunity to work with him, but his behavior sounds like it is right up my alley. I don't know if there is a way you can contact me but this is the group I have a passion to help.

[@zjay1356]

He has an email address listed in the description. I would try to reach out there or on his Facebook. I doubt they will see this comment

[@whitney9429]

Today it’s “just two turkeys” and tomorrow it could be the toddler. These parents need to wake up.

[@Natalia-Millan]

I am getting chills. Run woman Run!

[@lauramoore9465]

Two turkeys they used to play with all the time. Their pets. He killed his pets in front of his step brother. Crazy how they’re brushing it off

[@MsLouisVee]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@katherinecolson2350]

THIS

[@dreamergirl6017]

Two children.

[@stephierose931]

Grew up w a diagnosed psychopath..... Get your kids out now. He's not best friends w your 2 yr. Hes grooming her for something or has already done something. Again, first hand experience. I'm 38 now...... Still deal w the trauma from growing up w a sibling like this. RUN!

[@mwhe3111]

Oh, God, I am so sorry. I feel sick.

[@deannad9105]

Thank you for sharing your experience, because that is definitely grooming.

[@CaToRi-]

God bless you 🙏

[@tiannanelson8986]

He is 6 years old! He is not 16. At the age of 6, they are still learning so much about life. He has time to get his son help and with A LOT of love!!! his son can heal from his trauma People need to get a grip! The poor little guy is 6 years old!!

[@deannad9105]

@@tiannanelson8986 No one said he is beyond help. But until he has been helped (which will be a lifelong process), her children are not safe! Also, just because a child is only 6 years old, doesn't mean they can't victimize another child. I don't know this specific child, so I cannot speak to his history, but I worked in Juvenile Justice with multiple SA offenders. You would be shocked at the age of their first assault (that they are typically not charged for, because people give younger kids the benefit of the doubt). You thinking that they shouldn't be concerned because he is only 6, is the exact attitude that can lead to more victims.

[@inalaska1208]

No offense but you can't let this child be unsupervised around other kids and animals. Leaving him with no adult supervision alone on the farm outside is putting his life and others at risk obviously

[@phattjohnson]

Worse, leaves him unsupervised arounds his biological mother.. I swear, the majority of the comments here can't see the forest for the trees.

[@Michadoo]

​@phattjohnson right. If that were true why does he still even go to the mom's house?

[@raiden031]

​@@Michadoobecause the court will always give the mother the benefit of the doubt

[@R_S747]

This man is completely oblivious of how severe his sons condition is and imo is not being honest with healthcare professionals either

[@inalaska1208]

@phattjohnson well the father has legal obligations to let the child go to his mother until he get a court order saying otherwise. It will not benefit the child if the dad ends up in contempt of court and child lives with mom full time as a result.

[@Aminah6623]

The child is six. He needs intense therapy and support. They don't have to break up. They shouldn't be living together though.

[@healinghashis]

Please, mom, PLEASE do not put your kids with this child. He is deeply disturbed and WILL harm your children. All of the children in this scenario deserve the best outcome - the disturbed child deserves help, and the other kids deserve a safe home. The children should not live together or spend time together at all.

[@cess4089]

I’m so glad you had this episode. When I was a kid my parents had my older sister move back home with her 4 very abused and traumatized and mentally ill kids. And basically the attitude was. “Well they are going through a hard time because their dad abused them” so I had to suck it up if my nieces and nephews were awful. my sister was 22 years older than me so I was 8 when they moved in. And can I tell you the dysfunction and abuse that those kids dished out on me? One time my nephew, just a year older than me, held me down and pushed his thumbs in my eyes because I objected to him running me over with his bike. I had black eyes for a long time but I scratched the hell out of him trying not to be killed and I got yelled at for it. That’s just one example of getting dumped on because other people had trauma. Please don’t put those kids through it. Just don’t. I’m 40 and I still struggle with this stuff.

[@Eren-dl5cs]

Very very well put o really hope these parents see these comments and give their kids the safety they deserve. I hope your doing well and thank you for sharing that I really hope the parents read it and understand.

[@vaska1999]

No one should have to go through what you endured as a child. Such injustice and abuse can haunt one for many decades. 😢

[@GrannyDi276]

I am so sorry...you lived in a very unsafe home & no one listened to you. In my home it was my unsafe, raging father❤

[@DawnKellyMedia]

I'm so sorry. Omg that's horrific. He could've blinded you permanently.

[@Coloradocorean]

He literally tried to gouge your eyes out. Insane. People wanna blame the govt for our society. It’s crappy parenting.

[@vikker8274]

I had a mentally ill sibling. Saw mental hospitals when I was 9/10. Constant turmoil . The other kids should NOT be subjected to this. Period. End of story. Adults should make the sacrifices, not these little kids.

[@Kim-Dalton]

Dear lady, you are the only person in your children's lives who is going to protect them from abuse and trauma. This decision shouldn't be difficult. Get your kids to a safe place now before something happens to them.

[@Bebedollie]

Not being rude but killing animals ,especially at only 6 years old is a major red flag . I mean anyone at any age killing animals is a red flag. But this kid is only 6 years old.

[@NickeyVamp]

I agree, they should definitely seek therapy for that child a lot of times this is sign of psychopathy. I can’t make it clear diagnosis because it’s not one of my cases, but I can say in all honesty it would be a good idea for them to get that child in therapy.

[@anglophils645]

These sound like accidental killings. The two five-and-six-year-old boys did not understand the difference between turkeys and ducks. This is the parents' fault. Those children could have drowned, themselves. They are too young to be unsupervised around water, or animals.

[@MattCasters]

​@anglophils645 for sure.

[@julin8597]

anglophils645 But you can hear the doubt and fear in the fathers voice. It’s just too risky.

[@karigross]

Daddy’s in denial; he refuses to believe it was his son who did it. Run, mom.

[@samanthasmiles9112]

This woman has been warned. If anything happens to her children...... that's 100% on her. My mom married a man with a similar situation. He had a disturbed son. He started molesting me at 4 years old.

[@annstewart8506]

So sorry to hear what you endured.

[@lychee_tea_time]

She doesn’t seem to care enough

[@vaska1999]

Horrible. 😢 I hope you're getting tons of help with a good therapist!

[@jillpruett4772]

A parent's priority and first loyalty has to be to their children, *even at the expense of a relationship*

[@janelleg597]

The relationship of the wife and husband should be first to each other. They are the foundation. Not the children.

[@rpcp5v18]

@@janelleg597they’re not husband and wife. So her point is valid.

[@andrewbrendan1579]

Amen! And the parents are already living together so the children are together AND planning to move to another state in three months. The mother needs to separate from her fiance and his dangerous son.

[@dougjohnson8835]

@@janelleg597❤❤❤

[@alluringbliss4165]

@@janelleg597the children should be first, they are dependents of the parents

[@LemonSte]

If anything, they should move states together but live separately. The fact he is not already in the courts fighting tooth and nail to keep this child away from his abusive mother is disgusting. This child needs 100% attention and mental care

[@Teewriter]

I used to listen to a very unpopular advice giving woman on the radio. And she told her listeners and people who called for advice. Don’t remarry when you have minor children and I absolutely agree.

[@kathyhorstman7909]

Dr. Laura?

[@pinchebruha405]

Blanket statement for everyone…ridiculous sad advice. Imagine if everyone who had children with someone not ready now has to be alone along with the children ; never to experience family again, then how will the kids learn to accept themselves in society let alone know how to have their own families..cold advice served with societal alienation

[@karinaz8756]

@@pinchebruha405kids come first. That’s the choice you make as a parent. If that means you can’t remarry so be it.

[@lanalou77]

Absolutely. It always creates conflict

[@ErinThePsychicWitch]

She’s right and no one wants to hear that

[@laurenw768]

This is a sad and scary situation. But the mother trying to ask how this would be different if they were all a family/married leads me to believe she will not be putting her children first. I don’t care how much she loves this man. She and her children need out of this situation yesterday.

[@PuertoRicanCreoleQueen]

She doesn’t even have to break up just not live together for the time being.

[@alluringbliss4165]

They ‘re living together. She is not conscious

[@laurenw768]

@@PuertoRicanCreoleQueen to be honest, I think they do need to break up (at least for awhile). Both need to refocus on their own children. Mom needs to move her and her kids away from them, and make sure her kids are well and haven’t already been seriously harmed by the other child. Dad needs to put his focus 100% on his son right now. It’s sad, but children need to come first- situations like this can impact all of these kids for the rest of their lives and who they become. I value romantic partnerships, but they don’t take priority over the kids.

[@ineedhoez]

Yeah, for some reason she thinks them being a blended family is the problem. That kid is a damn psychopath

[@jennerbug27]

That's exactly what I got too. She is going to rationalize keeping things as they are. So scary.

[@Aubz47]

When dad said that the 6 year old is best friends with the 2 year old and that she’s a girl, I became extremely concerned. The turkey thing is horrific. His behavior is a major red flag. The fact that he clearly has unsupervised access to the other children, ie the turkey incident, opens a huge door for child predation. I think delony hit the nail on the head with he brought up the fact that there is way more trauma than they even realized and I would not be shocked if there was sexual @buse in his past. With that, I’d be highly concerned that he will prey on the 2 year old. This is a nightmare and it breaks my heart for the kids. Hearing the parents still trying to figure out a way to make it work is terrifying. If a professional told me that I needed to break up for the safety of my kids, I’d be out the door before they finished the sentence. Hope the parents heed this call and I know the area they live. They should reach out to Denver children’s, tell the full story and start with child play and occupational therapy while they wait.

[@mrich9654]

that little monster killed both those turkeys and the dad is in severe deniall!!!!

[@ineedhoez]

Facts

[@hoosier-daddy777]

Omg yes!! I was like RED FLAG RED FLAG 🚩

[@mirianalogara2909]

I provided ABA therapy and worked with children with aggressive behaviors and suicidal ideations, all including self harming behaviors. I would also think that this child went through way more than want the father knows. ABA not only works with children with Autism so is a great option. There are also behavior coaches from no profit organizations, and they're very helpful, I was also a behavior coach, and I did that for 3 years. Behavior coaches are free here in California from non-profit organizations. I'm sure it is the same for each state in the country. I wish the best for this father and his child. Blessings!

[@MrsEJV]

As soon as Dr. John mentioned removing the six year old, the silence was deafening. I’m a grandmother - I can’t believe the dad is feeling bad for himself because there are no grandparents down the street. A child like this needs more than an elderly person to provide care. I had no sense that the adults have any desire to walk away. They want the child fixed. Now.

[@Yayhee99]

I am from Colorado I was able to get my kiddo in for a psych evaluation within 8 weeks it was the first one I called. I don’t think he called 20, I think he truly can’t be bothered. I’ve worked in the medical field and they are some emergency urgent scheduling slots dad needs to take accountability and take urgency.

[@capergal1360]

I hope the people that are on this phone call are reading this. This happened in my family. I'm not going to get into details but it's almost the mirror of what's happening in this situation. The little boy in my family started killing animals when he was 4, it was a hamster, throwing and smashing toys. It escalated to killing a cat when he was 10, he put it in a duffle bag and smashed it on the ground until it was dead and the attacking the other children got much worse. He hated therapists and curse and swore at them. Suspended from school and off the bus multiple times. As a teenager, multiple arrests, juvenile detention and torture of animals continued. The other kids in the house have now asked why they were subjected to his torment. Why weren't they protected. These people need to listen to Dr.John and seperate him from the other kids until he is immersed in therapy. Don't let this kid become one of the stories you see on the news where a sibling was severely harmed or killed.

[@trina1962]

Same, greatest mistake of my life. All of the children including the one with behavior issues suffered because of it.

[@GreenBean3141]

Parents please stop getting into another relationship if you came from a toxic situation make sure you get your children help first and give them time to adjust.

[@aprilhumen1229]

Spot on!

[@VioletPersuasion]

I'm REALLY scared with the mom, bargaining and denying things by, her first question, asking what they should do IF THEY HAVE A BABY TOGETHER. Her brain is already scrambling to find a way to make sure they aren't parted, rather than finding a way to protect and save HER CHILDREN. I hope she stops denying and bargaining, and runs for her children's sake. I am praying so fervently for both of their families, and the sweet little 6 year old boy who was traumatized into this terrifying behavior.

[@Michadoo]

Right. Take care of the ones you have first.

[@kbc1883]

Yes! This! Why is that even on her mind??? Three traumatized kids is way more than they can handle already. Plus farm animals! They are not at all realistic about the resources they have and how those are already spread so thin. Put your focus and energy toward they kids you have and put aside your desires for a romantic relationship for now.

[@galacruse2318]

Her kids need to go to their dad ASAP.

[@michellegarigen9364]

If this Dad was so involved with his son, what does that say about the trauma his kid experienced? Caitlin needs to get out now. She will be happy she did if she can stay away from him.

[@VV-er3zg]

Pls can you imagine if she gets pregnant to ‘salvage’ this 😭

[@marys6710]

Placing that child with his mother is abuse. Exposing her children to him is abuse. These two are trying to outsource this boy to everyone so they can live together. He needs urgent therapy. I hope they WAKE UP.

[@ConradLarcher]

He will have to give up that relationship and fully focus on his son. As a responsible adult I don't see how you can keep a kid with these issues around other small children. The dad will have to sacrifice his personal life for his son immediately.

[@pimaggot]

Not true at all. They need to separate and while he has the kid focus solely on his son, but when he is in school, or at a daycare or something he can and should get out and date and hook up. The woman also needs to be focused 100 percent on her kids and not moving in and looking for a stepfather to her kids. Both should stay "single parents" but can be in a monogamous relationship with each other and not be "coparents".

[@JonathanTodd-og7dd]

They should separate but a lot of us single parents will hook up and date when the kids are in school or with sitters etc. And be lovers and friends but not coparents.

[@jacqueline8566]

Oooooo this is good. We focused on the woman here, but the man should really go and focus on helping his child with 100% of his non-work time

[@Flufferz626]

He also isn't really putting the effort into finding psychological pediatric help in Denver area. There are a lot of resources even for kids on Medicaid.

[@JonathanTodd-og7dd]

@@Flufferz626 child advocacy center.

[@fortyseventhronin]

Most people roll their eyes at me when I say I was abused by my older brother, but it's the absolute truth. I struggle in every aspect of my life today because of him. It's not worth it Kaitlyn. Get your kids the f away

[@communicationbreakdown256]

I believe you., that's horrid. I'm very sorry.

[@Tokiohotel192]

And to hear her even ask that quesiton is diabolical

[@emmagatewood3898]

Same here. It's actually a sadly common occurrence for an older step brother/half brother to abuse a younger kid within a blended family. Particularly when there is a serious lack of supervision in said family, like there is here. I am very worried for that little 2 year old girl.

[@fortyseventhronin]

Thank you for your kind words​@@communicationbreakdown256

[@stac_y_with_no_e]

I believe you.

[@phuonghuynh5946]

Those poor kids. Imagine being a 2 or 4 year old and being bullied and harmed daily in your own house. You don’t get to grow up and be yourself because your home is not safe. This mom is definitely choosing herself and her loneliness as a single mom and putting that above her kids’ safety. I hope the kids will do well, they don’t deserve to be hurt at home

[@maegandiagostino985]

I’m afraid he’s gonna kill the two year old

[@juanaMG4029]

It was not "someone" who drowned the turkeys. It was his son. Dad is in denial. This woman needs to leave before her kids are harmed physically. They're already being subjected to emotional harm. Lady, please leave. The move is your chance to get away.

[@karabnp87]

This couple are *completely* out of touch with reality, and that boy needs to be in an inpatient program, and AWAY from ANY other children AND animals that he could possibly harm. MY GOD.

[@s-tech-123]

I agree it feels very much like a future school shooter situation given that the child also threatened to kill another student already

[@DawnKellyMedia]

​@@s-tech-123 it reminds me of several cases I've seen where the violent child murdered their sibling.

[@MimiMalone]

💯

[@JaneDough23]

@@s-tech-123 John should have brought up that he threatened to kill another student.

[@emtwr]

I agree 1000% but inpatient mental health care for children is so hard to access. In some states, the state asks you to put your other, HEALTHY, children, into foster care, and keep the troubled kid in the home because they don’t have any better resources. I watched a documentary of 4 moms in the US with children that have severe aggression from mental health disorders, dangerous behaviors etc and the absolute lack of resources and support, across the board, was insane.

[@communicationbreakdown256]

This is why, when my dad died from cancer leaving my mom a 32 yr old widow with 3 elementary school aged kids,, refused to ever get involved with anyone. She dated for a bit, but eventually stopped and never brought anyone around let alone left us alone with anyone.

[@TJ-gm2uy]

Now there’s a mother who’s love for her children outweighs her wants and needs

[@imdurmac1]

I did the same; minor kids always come first.

[@moiseicatalina6543]

My mother did the same.

[@elizabethloyd3713]

I did the same.

[@cynthial841]

I absolutely did the same.

[@gutenbird]

" We have no clue who killed the turkeys." That would be about the end of that relationship.

[@jonv570]

yup, the kid is a demon

[@blunt3862]

Yup the second they start killing animals....they are a problem.

[@audreywineland1426]

No kidding. How Katlin did not see endless red flags long ago and RUN is unfathomable.

[@amomto4]

As a mom of a child who has mental health issue, not to this degree, its easy ouyside of that situation to think you know how you would handle it. There a lot of disbelief that comes into play, especially when talking about a young child that anyone would assume is harmless. A lot of times thoughts or obsevations are not discussed gor fear of being called crazy or having some I'll intent. My child has borderline personality disorder, its been incredibly distructive to our family/home life. I chose to get her help but also prioritized protecting my other children. She had to institutionalized for a period, i was heavily critisized by people who didn't understand the depth of what was going on. She's an adult now with 3 kids out if wedlock with 2 dads, 2 kids are in the custody of their dad. I had hoped she would never have kids. It is truly heartbreaking for a parent, i know i wouldve appreciated some understanding from others.

[@BarbinAZ]

What happens when a new baby joins this tragedy? SEPARATE NOW!

[@heathergray9195]

Starting a relationship with her when her child from previpus marriage was just BORN and then moving in and pretending you're a family was shamefully immature and inappropriate, and both of them putting their romance first KNOWING how dangerous it is... if they continue like this, someone call CPS.

[@corneliakloiber8858]

My Stepbrother was like that. My mother never protected me. Just run or your kids will never feel save again with you lady!

[@summerdaye3563]

He's side stepping the questions, blaming the mother, and excusing this kid's behavior. You know his mother is toxic. Do something. Lady with the kids. Please run. This man is expecting you to deal with this. Once you're married it's your problem. Because he's not going to deal with it.

[@earthyeve7859]

He won't. I guarantee it. I went through this for 17 yrs and we finally kicked him out. The son will always be guarded by the dad and it will cause nothing but division. Kids with abandoned mothers usually have reactive attachment disorder and it gets 100 times worse.

[@katiez460]

Guaranteed the mother wasn't even 100% of the problem. Just look at the way he glorifies himself and talks negatively about her in public. "She didn't want to take the time or effort to breastfeed"...what a gross, sanctimonious comment. Bottle feeding is perfectly fine and breastfeeding is a CHOICE, and is very hard to do. He himself may be emotionally abusive.

[@KathleenMcNe]

Shame on the woman for putting her children in danger. Her children's father(s) should immediately seek full custody of them. And the man has no business living with and contemplating marriage to a woman with children. He also should not own any animals. Narcissistic, selfish parents putting their desires above their children's needs.

[@keith5730]

It’s not that easy to get full custody

[@karinalemus2305]

Exacly! If she stays with this man, her ex should try to take her kids away from her. This woman does not know how to be happy without a man apparently and puts her romantic relations before her kid’s safety and well being. She still thinking about should she leave? In a situation where not even pets are safe!

[@carolynmoore-atlinbc5667]

The 2 year old is just another turkey. Can't they see?

[@VV-er3zg]

Absolutely. Like how busy raising kids, relationship, and having animals all are on their own THEN mix them toegther AND THEN drop the bomb of a traumatised kid who needs constant help and care?! Absolutely the kid should be his sole focus

[@vaska1999]

Who knows what their father is like. She started this current relationship when her 2 year old was born, which suggests that the new baby's father had abandoned them by then.

[@bluestar4348]

I love the way Dr Delony explains the obvious to them so patiently..

[@redbougainvillea]

Both of these people left bad marriages and then chose, within a relatively short amount of time, to move in with each other and, per the caller's own words, have their kids start calling them "mom and dad". Now they've put their kids in the awful position of either being around violence and chaos in the home, or ripping a new defacto "family" apart. Time to stop being selfish and put the kids first. I'm sorry, but his son is not just having problems because of his train wreck first wife. His son knows dad is more concerned about having a live-in girlfriend and bedmate than what's best for the family. I actually think in this case, John was too nice to them.

[@Lapompadoure]

yes moving in after a year when you have kids is too fast!

[@texasgermancowgirl]

The kid has a mental illness that he inherited from his mother. Trauma is a huge thing but the kid likely has a genetic mental illness

[@jesssc402]

Ikr? I was like wtf???

[@psychedelicspider4346]

The fact that basically all children involved are maybe less than 10 is a major red flag. They should really focus on the family they already have, before trying to expand it

[@TonyCox1351]

The lady has a two year old and has been with this guy 2 years. So she _immediately_ shacked up with him

[@magilicuddy1827]

Wow both parents are failing these poor children so miserably. This call was so disturbing, my heart goes out to these children and im sorru to know they are being failed so badly by the people who are supposed tonlove them and keep them safe.

[@thisis.michelletorres444]

DUDE! Pay for the eval out of pocket! If this kid hurts someone (like a 2-year-old), YOU are responsible! And, as a mom, I would not introduce another person into my home that would be a danger to my kids! NO WAY! I feel bad for the father and wish him well, but I think this woman should leave him, move on!

[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

Right?!? Why are they waiting until they can get in network?!? BUCK UP THE $300 and GO GET HIM SEEN. Trash parenting.

[@carpediem6431]

One day a number of years ago I was looking out my bonus room (over the garage) windows overlooking our front street. Two kids (brothers) were playing a few houses down. The older one had a hockey stick in his hands and I see him swivel his head to see if anyone is looking (he obviously didn’t see me) he then brought the stick two handed directly across his brothers back from behind. The boy falls to the ground screaming and the mother ran out by the time I got there. She was comforting the younger one as the older one was telling her it was an “accident.” Later that night I went to the house and asked both parents to come out onto the porch. I told them what I saw and even said “if he had hit him on the head, he could have killed him.” Within a couple of months the family had moved. I never knew how things turned out. Most likely want the first “accident.”

[@deadshot8077]

What makes you think they can jump the queue by paying extra?

[@TonyCox1351]

@@deadshot8077the woman said the sons problems predate their 2 year relationship. So if the kid has been having problems for two years, and the wait list is six months, I don’t think the wait list is the problem

[@deadshot8077]

@@TonyCox1351 that doesn’t mean he can now jump the queue like the commenter said. It probably means he was in denial back then or his family court stuff wasn’t sorted and he wasn’t allowed to book a shrink without the mom’s permission.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

Drowning animals is a sign of mental illness. If they had empathy, they would check if the turkeys were floating or not and tried to save them. It was done willfully but the father is in denial.

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

It's a textbook sign of a personality disorder like anti-social personality disorder.

[@cynthiaguarino2016]

These two parents have blinders on and are not wanting to face the reality of their situation because they want to stay together. The problem is that it will come at the cost of the children's well-being. Dr. John is absolutely correct.

[@Brenda-wj2db]

The blinders are off. They knew it in their hearts, they just needed to hear it from someone else

[@Veracityseeker7]

They're putting their romantic relationship over the children. They know what they're doing. They just want someone to co-sign their idiocy.

[@ankieezsays7786]

This 6 yr old's father is forcing him into danger by visiting the mother and the 5,2 yr old's mother is forcing them into danger by simply cohabiting with the man. They are essentially the same, clearly oblivious to the needs of the children over their own wishes

[@peteandrepeat2566]

Realistically, parents have very little choice when it comes to court ordered visitation. He could spend years in court with every abuse documented and the bio parent can still retain visitation. He doesn't have a choice. If he refuses to send the child for court ordered visitation, he can be held in contempt, with thousands of dollars in fines, jail time and total loss of custody himself.

[@louiseyvette2261]

Like most divorcees

[@PrincessZaire100]

If that he violates a court order he could end up losing custody or going to jail. He can’t just keep the kid away from his mother, because she still has rights, and unfortunately, the court is placing her rights above the child’s well being

[@deannad9105]

​@@peteandrepeat2566He said he hadn't asked for supervised visitation with Mom. And he should have. The fact that he didn't shows that he isn't prioritizing his child.

[@bebop2523]

@@peteandrepeat2566this isn’t a situation where the dad has no choice, HE DIDNT EVEN ASK for supervised visitation or changes in the custody agreement. It’s one thing if he tried and the judge shut it down but he didn’t even make an attempt. Also, we don’t even know if the unsupervised visits to the mother are court-ordered or not, could’ve been something he just agreed on with his ex and not enforced by a court order

[@user-bx4ti6ig3i]

The dad minimizing the killing of the turkeys as they're just kids is just horrifying. 😤

[@billylee5335]

As an avid watcher of murder documentaries it always starts with animals

[@paulatobler8354]

Especially when they had seen that one turkey died when put in water and then went ahead and dropped the other one in water when called inside. The first one, maybe they didn’t know that it couldn’t swim. That second one? They knew it would die.

[@tahsinarahman168]

I know... i noticed the dad isn't saying the full truth with John.

[@josephmayer8880]

They’re turkeys not humans

[@JC-xu1cz]

​@@josephmayer8880most serial killers start with killing animals. The son is giving off major red flags.

[@patriciacasillas312]

The dad sounds reluctant to let go of the woman. He desperately needs to accept the reality and gravity of the situation. He wants to prioritize his gf, the kids needs to be first!

[@franciskeys9810]

This weak man is not going to solve this troubled kid's problems. Run.

[@franciskeys9810]

It is a very small step for him to decide it's time to find out if the two-year-old can swim.

[@gc4161]

@@franciskeys9810or that you can abuse the 2 yr girl and is more “fun” ….he is not a normal kid abuse prior or not

[@oldgeezer2780]

@@gc4161 A mom in our neighborhood took her baby to the pediatrician to suddenly realize baby was covered with bruises. His eight-year-old brother was pinching him every chance he got.

[@jet4415]

He sounds weak.

[@winkA1]

Agree. He’s not seeing the gravity of the problems with his son. This is not some “bad behaviour” this kid is dangerous, possibly even to his own parents as he gets a bit older.

[@katyasehryn8810]

This man cannot protect two turkeys! This woman SHOULD RUN!!!

[@chrysanthe1297]

😂😂😂😂 sad but so true

[@ItsThicc]

Facts

[@Burncsb]

Let´s face it, you don't expect your kid to do this...

[@paolaristori6179]

Neither the woman could, as far as it goes.

[@larissaalcorn3406]

​@Burncsb Given the child's previous issues with violence, one can make the judgement call to not let the child be alone with living things. A 6 year old shouldn't be playing near livestock anyway.

[@parkwood6334]

Seriously, why can't both of these people focus on their families and jobs and wait to find partners later? This poor little 6 year old needs stability and love. What the heck is he thinking getting into a romantic relationship right now? And why are a 6 and 5 year old around animals with no adult around?

[@dcarr-kr7hk]

@parkwood6334... I agree. It is selfish. Concentrate fully on your children -- even if you remain divorced until he becomes an adult. If the woman stays, she doesn't love her own children enough.

[@toscadonna]

He’s trying to push his kid off onto another woman so he doesn’t have to deal with him. Duh.

[@parkwood6334]

@@toscadonna yes, I agree. And if she has a 2 year old and they've been together for 2 years she was pregnant when they started dating. He wants her kids as his family, she wants him as a safety net and they're both focused on what they want, not the kids.

[@Wants2knowitall]

She needs this guy’s income and he needs her to take care of a dangerous child. Been there, done that.

[@mimir1885]

I mean Playing devil's advocate you know dad probably thought when he met his current fiance that this was a good stability for his son you know a nice woman with her own two children around the same age as his son maybe that was the stability he thought would really help get through to his son so there is nothing wrong with trying. These two parents are doing the right thing they're taking the right steps even calling into the show shows that they're doing the right thing they're thinking of their children first and they just need a third party to really confirm what they already are confirming. The dad wanted to find love he wanted to find love for his son as well he found that she sounds like a great woman with great kids unfortunately there's just a bigger issue which is his poor baby's Mental Health no one here is denying that they should put their kids first or they shouldn't put their kids first and focus on them no one's saying this this is why they're calling this is why we're watching what we're watching this is why you're commenting on this video so they already know they're going to have to separate they just wanted a third party to confirm it that's all so let's not tear down parents who are doing their freaking best

[@shawnbrooks5293]

She has a 2 year old toddler and is already living with another man for over 1 year, terrible parenting putting her kids in the situation. The dad is in denial about how f upped his son in.

[@phuonghuynh5946]

Killing animals, especially as a kid, has been a common theme among serial killers. This has been documented time and time again. Their son needs some serious mental help or he will be a major threat to society one day. And that mom needs to leave and protect her kids, or her kids may grow up scarred, injured, resenting her, or dead. Idk why she’s even CONSIDERING staying with this man. No man is worth both your kids traumatized or killed…. Is that not common sense??

[@dianecarman1979]

Future Freddie Kruger

[@cynthiawilson5066]

Some women just don't get it put your children first PERIOD

[@риня_ржевская]

while you're not incorrect, serial killers are not really as much an ongoing issue as it was in the US in the 70s and 80s when it became extremely sensationalized, but in general it's extremely rare. It is, however, a pretty major symptoms of a handful of severe and overarching psychological disorders, at the age he's at I wouldn't go so far as to say ASPD, but more likely (developmentally, at least) to be something in the ballpark of either FASD, or ASD with something like Reactive Attachment Disorder, which is born out of unstable support systems where the levels of attention to emotional and physical needs are completely unpredictable in the very first years of life, and in particular, at the age he's at, the disorder is known to manifest in extreme emotional swings and acting out in violence if adapting to a situation in which they feel like they now have to compete with peers, in this case step siblings, for the attention of the anchor in their life.

[@thagabej]

@@риня_ржевскаяI mean to be fair technology and forensic evidence has advanced a lot since the 70s and 80s. I believe that’s why you don’t really hear about a lot of serial killers because it’s not as easy anymore. You can’t murder 10 people and then move across country and never be found like you could in the 70s and 80s. Any kind of DNA evidence left behind you will be caught

[@woefulmelancholy]

​@@риня_ржевская yes Rad, when I heard about this kid and the trauma of going back and forth from a healthy home to a dysfunctional one I immediately thought of RAD. His behavior ramps up around time with bio-mom, it's a trauma response. With enough care and stability he should be able to be a functional member of society but it'll take a lot of hard work for everyone involved

[@magdalenapichler4182]

My mom chose severely traumatized fosterchildren over me. Told me that it is also my social responsibility to resocialize them. I will never forget.

[@amarketing8749]

I am so sorry for your pain and trauma. It is sad she couldn't see her "calling in life" was hurting her own daughter.

[@magdalenapichler4182]

@@amarketing8749I think it is a severe misinterpretation of narcicism. I remember numberless occasions when other people called her superhuman/ Übermutter/calling and ended the sentence with: "I could not do that!" It was me of course from the age of 11 or 12 who ran the household.

[@amarketing8749]

@@magdalenapichler4182 Forgive me. I in no way meant to diminish your pain or to re-injure you in anyway. I believe you. I believe you are the best to judge and interpret her behavior. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Once I read your words, I understood that you were correct, and my words meant to be helpful or comforting were not. So sorry for your trauma and sorry if I hurt you.

[@magdalenapichler4182]

@@amarketing8749 There is absolutely nothing to forgive about! I appreciate your care. And I warnt to thank you! Being vulnerable makes us human.

[@jed5726]

So sorry 😢

[@Tahoe22escape]

This couple needs to break up and not live together. They are putting all these children in danger

[@mwillis7791]

I live in the Denver area too as does my family. I have a nephew that was on a 9 month wait list for autism spectrum testing. I have a niece and nephew that need some mental health help and they were able to be seen with in the week. Something isn’t adding up.

[@d20a55]

Dr. Delony did a fantastic job of being empathetic, sympathetic and most importantly, honest. I hope this family gets the help they need.

[@corinneblackburn4043]

Just last month in Utah my friend's grandson killed his dad with an axe and then a gun. The boy was only 9 years old. Look it up it happened in Tooele, Utah. Don't wait! The children are in danger!!!

[@michaelbeard4883]

how did he kill him twice

[@ashleyduckworthyt3224]

I looked this up and WOW what a terrible story! Sounds like he went at him with a hatchet and then shot him. MY question is why did he have access to multiple weapons as a 9 year old…

[@foxbuns]

​@@michaelbeard4883reading comprehension challenge ✨️

[@fioregiallo]

​@@ashleyduckworthyt3224 because 'MERICA

[@No-Proof-of-God]

9 is an upside 6, GET YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THERE!!!

[@larissaalcorn3406]

Who lets their 5 and 6 yo go to the barn around livestock ALONE? These two need to grow up. Mom: get your babies away and learn to love yourself instead of immediately jumping from relationship to relationship. Dad: get help for your boy. No more minimizing his behavior. You know he drowned those animals. You're getting turned away from care because you keep minimizing his actions.

[@VV-er3zg]

Even with healthy kids, I’d be terrified of an accident

[@kp2223]

​@@VV-er3zgExactly who leaves two small children unattended near water?

[@vernaclevinger5716]

Every kid that lives on a farm. It's their back yard. If a kid is watched and monitored 24/7 will they ever trust their own decisions ?

[@wonipowa7542]

@@vernaclevinger5716 while I'd normally agree - at 6 and 2 years old? They should be supervised, I would not trust a 6 year old to watch a 2 year old. Nor would I trust a 6 year old to be ok with livestock out of eye sight.

[@Luke2128]

Amish probably do to some extent.

[@user-zx2tm5vi3i]

I appreciate so much how Dr Delony listens. I see him working for the best possible outcome for all. Answers are not simplistic; questions do not make folks defensive but self-reflective. Compassion is for all. His responses seem well-informed and kindly suggested.

[@lisablack6275]

I married the love of my life. He has a son, and so do I. However, my ex-husbands son was very sweet but would flip and assault my son. The boys were both ten years old at the time. I had to divorce my ex-husband and get myself and my son away from the violence. My son came first.

[@katherinecolson2350]

👏👏👏👏👏 I applaud you for this!

[@kp2223]

💯💯💯

[@denisekennedy3099]

Absolutely the right decision and you’re brave to have done it. Must have been hard for all of you.

[@donnag7288]

I admire you for making that decision ! A real mother !

[@karenmorente7589]

As an individual who witnessed a severely disturbed child integrated in our family I'd say get away now. The healthy children will not be able to save this boy. I would keep him away from his mother. No way would he go for eight days with her. You are leaving out what is he exposed to when he's with her now. She's a severely mentally and emotionally disturbed mom. Substance abuse and or brain dysfunction viable. Likely neglecting or interacting inappropriately with your son. She will have like associates around him. He may have consumed what she has left around and some of these people will openly share substances with him .He's not even eating properly and has no structure at her adult centered home . Likely not caring properly for even herself. Your sweet normal kids will NOT TEACH HIM TO BE SWEET AND NORMAL. HE WILL PUT THEM IN DANGER, FEAR, embarrassment and your attention will inadvertently gyrate to the squeaky wheel depriving your kids of attention . At a minimum your kids will be depressed learn to make excuses or snap back. They'll be hurt worse with age. They may become victims or enraged in their mentality. While placement in a medical / behavioral setting is hard to arrange that may be exactly what you son needs to help structure behavioral intervention. As an adult with outpatient continual.counciling he will be institutionalized in jail , prison and/ or rehab. He needs immediate help but without the opportunity to prey on the other children . Sadly I experienced this and can tell you he needs radical help now and no contact probably even supervised with his mom until SHE HAS HELP. You cannot get the mud out of a glass of water with out completely starting over emptying and washing the glass. THROUGHLY rinsing the glass. Your son is destructive and it'll worsen. A family member like him will spider web out and pull your whole family apart. He's in his final formative years. " I've tried to get him help, however well intended will NOT GET HIM HELP. Maybe not in time if you don't take radical help now. Reading between the lines I know the circumstances are worse to han stated here. You may need to take him to the ER if need be for admission. Document the COMPLETE BEHAVIORS stop denying. Let your girlfriend go live normal to save her kids. The situation you limitedly describe WILL WORSEN AND CONTINUE. until he's emerged into a good strong program. Please get him help. The family member that we tried to help was limitedly helped with the best of efforts . He now has life in prison we should have listened to the pros who tried to put him in a hospital / group home.

[@JerseyDevilJerseyGirl]

Why are you calling if you already made up your mind to stay lady? If she doesn’t remove her children, this will escalate horrifically, & the fact she even has to ASK Delony makes me question her judgement as a mother. And btw, buddy- *YOUR SON KILLED THE BIRDS & YOU KNOW IT.* Open your gd eyes.

[@TheColesjeff12]

Oh yea he knows it

[@renneb4200]

This woman's request for advice on the scenario on if the kids were related suggests that she does not want to end her engagement to protect her kids.

[@grilledcheeseandsoup1652]

I think the child is not getting the urgent care he needs is not because of the wait lists, but because the father doesn't make the problem seem urgent. When he calls to make the appointment is he saying my son is killing animals and beating up other children, or is he saying he's just a sweet loving kid who sometimes gets into squabbles with other kids. Because did his best to make it seem like NBD here.

[@vaska1999]

Exactly! The father is the real reason the boy is not seeing a psychiatrist by now.

[@andreanease4215]

I wouldn’t make that assumption. I have serious health issues (they were checking me for stroke and l had symptoms of blood clots and multiple e r trips) and my doctor tried to get me into a neurologist and they told me to take some vitamins and my case wasn’t severe enough. Locally we are months out just for an eye exam. All the health fields are overloaded right now. And more rural areas are even worse with less qualified doctors.

[@candicandler2512]

My thoughts exactly, he hasn't made him a priority, excuse after excuse...

[@v_ronyca3244]

The wait for mental health in this country can be months to almost a year…

[@minorcadence1]

100% this. He minimises what the child is doing. Turkeys can float and fly off. He drowned them. But I would bet the farm he doesn't tell the psychiatrists this. He says 'sometimes hitting siblings'.

[@She-millz]

I took on my 7 yr old brother when my mum died and he was weird, twisted and spiteful to my kids, get the hell out of there and don’t ruin their childhood!!

[@thagabej]

So the father has full custody of his son knows his wife abuses him acknowledges that his son acts up even more when he has to see his biological mother and he still takes him anyways? No way he truly cares for his son and wants him to get help. Also when asked “ why do put your son in an unsafe situation” the father response is “yeah” to me he wants the relationship more than he wants to help his son.

[@rivkaruthgolan]

He may be listening to parents and friends (even judges, teachers social workers )who don’t know what they are talking about ie saying “A child has to have time with his mother.”

[@WILDANDPEACEFUL23]

If he's setting fires, killing animals and bed wetting . That's a terrible triad. She needs to run away from that relationship.

[@DawnKellyMedia]

Seriously. He will burn the house down while they sleep.

[@danabaker996]

Robert Ressler, FBI serial killer profiler cites research that there are often 3 commonalities of serial killers: childhood bed wetting, setting fires, animal cruelty.

[@IFBBProYeo]

I wonder if he was SA'd!

[@Hazel.Eyed.Gemini]

I’ve done all 3. Not at the same time. I’m ok

[@barefooterin2817]

Exactly

[@janetmorecraft2206]

Accept it , delay marriage . Take care of your kids FIRST !

[@Centaursixtysix]

The fact that this kid wasnt in a psych evaluation years ago is insane.

[@balletwb94]

The dad’s verbiage tells me he knows EXACTLY who killed the turkeys but doesn’t want his son to be made out as a monster. This child needs serious help.

[@killerdeviant]

Lot of stuttering and stammering

[@QueenDarkChocolate]

At least John Deloney nailed it and laser-focused on the problem. Lord, please open the father's eyes so he can quit thinking of his own selfish needs and help his son.

[@ms.hjohnson6820]

Why weren’t they supervised? And if unsupervised, where are the cameras??

[@lukeb3930]

I feel like this child is at a crossroads between the life of Voldemort and the life of a kind of trauma tempered hero ❤❤

[@davinasquirrel7672]

Yes balletwb, the turkey incident gave me chills. Most of us know what that means. The bullying others sure, could be acting out - but two dead turkeys means this is serious stuff.

[@dinimueter539]

Cruelty to animals is a huge red flag! I would never want to live with a kid like that. And cruelty to animals has nothing to do with ADHD. My brother and I have it and we have never been cruel to animals.

[@MegaMarVerde]

Exactly. It’s antisocial personality disorder. These parents are far away from reality. Poor kids…

[@jennifert2953]

This little one needs a ton of help. The other children don’t deserve to have this be their childhood experience. Live separately.

[@MrsJFJ]

Dad, your kid is your priority. Going from relationship to relationship after major trauma isn’t a great idea.