Did the Trojan War actually happen?

[@berenddeenigeechte494]

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[@historicaladventurevideos]

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[@historicaladventurevideos]

Thank you! I'm glad that you like the content! I will cover most of Ancient Greece history as well as other timelines about other civilizations too in different series.

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[@FruitBruteIII]

Very good detective work based upon previous findings and conclusions. Well done!

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[@archimedes8078]

Trojan War is historical fact. "Now as we have come to an agreement on Wilusa over which we went to war..." That's a part of the letter a Hittite King sent to an Achaean Greek King (Mycenaeans is a totally wrong term. These people identified themselves as Achaeans Greeks). We know that Wilusa (Troy) was in Hittite sphere of influence. Troy sent an army as a vassal state to support Hittites in battle of Kadesh. And ofcourse Hittites joined their forces with Trojans against the Achaeans. Now, the question is: Why on earth the hittites to come in an agreement on Wilusa with the Achaeans invaders? I guess the war didn't go well for the Trojan/Hittites side, so they decided it's better for their own interests to come to a compromise with the Achaeans. Trojan war is just a part of the hostilities between Achaeans and Hittites. But it was the first time the two of them faced each other. Actually the 2nd. First was when the Hittites should send an army against Attarsyia. But the Trojan war as the letter Cleary states is a fact.

[@historicaladventurevideos]

I know, I am stating most of these facts in the video. :) Except for the fact that Wilusa sent military help to the Hittites for the battle of Kadesh. Thanks for the information! Although I do not think the Hittites were involved themselves in the actual Trojan War, I think that the letter reffered to a battle between the Acheans and the Hittites over who should use Wilusa as a vassal. As it turns out though, the Acheans sacked Wilusa and in the letter of Tudhaliya IV it clearly says that they ask of the Acheans to turn the ruler of Wilusa to the Hittites so they can reintall him as their vassal.

[@archimedes8078]

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[@historicaladventurevideos]

@@archimedes8078 Awesome! Thank you for your kind words. :)

[@Dragonette666]

@@historicaladventurevideos I think the Hittites were directly involved, but the rivalry between the Greeks and Hittites was so great that the Greeks wrote them out of the story and transformed them into the various Trojan allies that show up. In fact they were probably feminized. The Hittites shaved their faces and the Greeks would make fun of them for it. Penthesilea is probably a reskinned Hittite commander. I think this because her name is similar to Hittite names like Hattusili or Suppiluliuma. I think what happened was the Greeks realized how much chaos they could cause for the Hittites when they aided Priyamaradu ,and they started doing it more and more until the Hittites were overwhelmed. Likewise , I think Memnon may be a memory of Merneptah leading an attack against the islands as a response to raids from the sea people.

[@DokNyx2]

This Hittite statement would have been a bit early for the Trojan War.

[@SlavicPrideOfficial]

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[@historicaladventurevideos]

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[@MrRadjen1976]

As you were explaining about troy...i already saw events taking place before me...almost like how i saw troy fall of a city the t.v.series and where the boy Astyanax spoke to Hector who was very kind and like a father to him before Astyanax died...hope to see more videos from you😉

[@DokNyx2]

Excellent summary of the known facts, with wise choices made in the retelling. Very satisfying! My only quibble might be that Blegen's Troy VIIa, Homer's Troy, the city of the Trojan War, is probably better dated to around 1200 BCE to 1195 BCE. If interested, check out my novels on the Achaean hero Diomedes during his fictionalized adventures after the Trojan War: *The Diomedeia: Diomedes, the Peoples of the Sea, and the Fall of the Hittite Empire* and *Diomedes in Kyprios* - Gregory Michael Nixon

[@hikeandphoto2521]

Great video!

[@historicaladventurevideos]

Thank you very much! :)

[@kw19193]

Love this. Very well thought through and presented. I hope you are planning to update this in order to work in all the discoveries made by the team led by the late, lamented Manfred Korfmann. I am compelled however to point out one error in the vid, to wit: Schliemann's given name was Heinrich not Eric. Based on how good this is I'm going to see what else is on your channel. Cheers!

[@historicaladventurevideos]

Thank you for your kinds words! I am aware of this mistake, however when I realised it, I had already uploaded the video. :)

[@Ercan_Ata]

Rebellion of Arzawans especially Piyama-Radu (Priam) and Destruction of Troy by the Sea People included some Acheans nearly at the same times. 12-13 BC. Two stories may be conjoined at the story.

[@Dragonette666]

I actually think Piyama Radu was the archetype for Achilles. He was a thorn in the side of the Hittites for around 30 years and through 3 kings. IIRC a big part of the epic cycle of Troy is Achilles raided everywhere on the Anatolian coast. Those were probably Piyama Radu's adventures. It's a shame we'll never get to hear about them because they are probably as thrilling as the Iliad is. I also think the inability of the Hittites to stop or capture him could have led to the idea of "invulnerability" he can't be caught , can't be stopped.

[@victoriaradut6386]

Yes.

[@billtsirtsis7060]

I believe that you mean Heinrich Schlieman instead of Erich Schlieman.

[@antoniodaguiar392]

I suppose Piyama-Ratu should be connected with Achilles (also called "Pyrrus"),with who he has evident similarities, and no with Priamus, a totally different character. Priamus can be a kind of anagram of "Amurapi", the name of the last king of Ugarit, perhaps the real Troy, destroyed between 1990 and 1180 BC by the sea peoles and never reconstructed.

[@owen69884]

A decent overview of the current data. However, there is no evidence that suggests Walmu was deposed by a Greek force. That is pure speculation and is probably wrong, based on the context of the time. Also, last I heard, Troy VIIa was apparently sacked between 1200 and 1180 BC, not the date given here. Maybe that's just a mistake? The arrowheads etc do not in fact implicate the the Greeks in the apparent sack; anyone at that time could have used them and scholars generally acknowledge that we have no real idea who the attackers were. In the context of the time (the Bronze Age collapse), it is quite unlikely Greek kingdoms were involved. So a good overview, but misses some of the more important points and neglects the Manapa-Tarhunta letter, another key piece of evidence. The assumptions made about the dating of the real Trojan War are just that -- assumptions -- and without much support. But still the video is still valuable for it's discussion of the historical sources, even if it fails to draw correct conclusions at times.

[@valmarsiglia]

Heinrich Schliemann, not Erik.

[@historicaladventurevideos]

Yes, my mistake.

[@valmarsiglia]

@@historicaladventurevideos Now you have to write it 50 times.

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@@valmarsiglia Hehe, on the board or on the notebook?

[@ian_b]

If at first you don't succeed, Troy, Troy again.

[@89128]

I believe a battle took place at Troy, but not a fictional siege written 700 years after the fact. Homer was a poet who probably took liberties with partial fact and partial legend. Can you imagine the caloric daily needs of an army of around 100K?

[@historicaladventurevideos]

The Iliad was actually writen 400 years after the supposed date of the Trojan war but you are right about the intermingling of actual history and legend, although I would say that the Iliad is much more legendary and mythical (as Gods play a crucial role in the war) than 50%. What is interesting is that Homer mixed cultural practices of the 9th century Greeks with the practices of the Bronze Age Greeks in these tales. Of course though, the numbers are obviously exaggerated.

[@Dragonette666]

the Hittites managed to field around 45k at Kadesh. There's a Dana Island off the coast of Turkey , they have found ancient slipways on it that date to about the right time. It was capable of building and launching over 200 ships at once. That means it was larger then the naval yard at Carthage. If someone has the ability to mass produce ships like that back then you can bet they can also field troops.

[@Dragan-t6w]

World first cultures Lepenski vir, Starcevo, Vinca culture today Serbia. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Harman about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan, Wendi, Illiyrians, Dardanians (Troy is here ,not in Turkey Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Tracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians, Etruscan. Tribes spread in all directions ……. Wild Greeks arived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgariens from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people.

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

"Eric" Schliemann??

[@SleepyRue]

what i think is Greek Mythology is a myth to a certain extemt there is truth mixed in with the fairytale. I think troy is real it probably wasn't name troy though it was probably named something else.

[@TheScandoman]

Interesting presentation, however, why are you calling Heinrich Schlieman "Erich"? And why are you calling him an archeologist? He was no more an archeologist than the Calvert brothers; and probably less of one! Even AFTER his butchery at Hisarlich!

[@ginaibisi777]

Now they want to omitt the Troy heroes from the historic books just because they were Albanians 😂😂😂😂

[@tbmm.92]

Hahhahahah wtf is even that

[@raddziedzic8671]

Funfact assyria wasn't destroyed by coalition it was peacefully protested again as the inhabitants left massive city to roma around as tuscans 😆

[@miroslawchabowski1892]

Pitiful. Erich, ha?

[@raddziedzic8671]

Funfact BBC remake the ilium cast ghana woke as the populace of anatolia