History-Makers: Confucius

Welcome to the challenge run of History-Makers, where I attempt to give insightful historical context to someone whose backstory is almost entirely blank.
SOURCES & Further Reading: "Confucius: A Very Short Introduction" by Gardner, "China: A History" by Keay, "The Analects of Confucius", "The Mencius".
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[@voidify3]

“China just broke, but while it was breaking, Confucius is busy figuring out how to have good morals”

[@morganrobinson8042]

Mood

[@MrTigracho]

Good morals are often thrown away in a moment of crisis.

[@nightlypiano4116]

@@blep7943 i assume

[@Jobe-13]

😂

[@QuigleTheGnome]

Sophia Walsh Long “and then it broke again”

[@simonkruger2187]

"By god I will make it work" Blue this is the kind of optimism we need

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Hey, it worked for me, I now know *way* more about him than I did.

[@whoknows7968]

@@jean-paulaudette9246 You may want to proof read that comment.

[@kilotun8316]

When he said "Mercenary Philosophers" I had this mental image of a bunch of world weary scholars with hard eyes holding their battered scrolls and pens, hanging out in a seedy bar while negotiating choice contracts. Best part? They were called the Gray Teach Legion and being hired by the Magistry of Confucius.

[@JustGrowingUp84]

Loooool! And their collective teaching would be called BattleTeach? Hmm, that's too specific, would apply only to some, like Sun Tzu. Maybe PhilosoTech? Lol!

[@unsapient2197]

"Mercenary Philosophers" just reminds me of Byleth from Fire Emblem lol

[@donbionicle]

Legalist cowards! Dare you refuse the PhiloChall of Clan Jade Empire?

[@rekindle7602]

I would 10000% play this tabletop campaign

[@wilagaton9627]

Its just begging for an anime adaptation. . .

[@Foogi9000]

China through history: *Some assembly may be required*

[@lukecommins1096]

China in the 21st Century: Assembly Achieved!!!

[@ronanlooney3112]

Luke Commins China in 21st century: Taiwan not included

[@TheLivetuner]

@@ronanlooney3112 Taiwan DLC, Hong Kong expansion included with Season Pass

[@lukecommins1096]

@@TheLivetuner The sequel, China 2: Tibetan Boogaloo

[@darkfang797]

but only sometimes

[@lilithserena342]

about to be in the middle of nowhere with no signal but Overly Sarcastic Productions just updated so ima download it

[@bsmith952]

Lilith Serena respect ✊🏼

[@mcklinky2400]

Have a good trip

[@lilithserena342]

Brad Smith thank

[@lilithserena342]

Mcklinky actually just heading home from one

[@kittykat5090]

n o i c e

[@paulwagner688]

"Mercenary Philosophers". That's a t-shirt right there, that is.

[@AnEnormousNerd]

That's a band name, that is.

[@richmcgee434]

"Will ponder the infinite for food"

[@BlueDog241]

I'd buy it.

[@lachlancampbell6328]

Am I the only one who could see Olly of philosophy tube wearing one?

[@thumper8684]

The Mo-ists were literal warrior philosophers. They would only play defence, but they had whole manuals on how to do it. That did not make them popular with the new Qin dynasty who, I am sure, were extra diligent in burning the Mo-ist books.

[@rasaecnai]

"Good governance is under short supply... gee I wonder how that feels like." Living up to the channel's name i see...

[@QuigleTheGnome]

Enthusiastic Zestful Villainy hmmmm I wonder what there talking *cheeto in background supporting people to do gun violence*

[@samurguy9906]

Lucy Holland looking at either candidate (and the recent riots), the obvious course of action is to buy more guns and lots more bullets.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

​@@QuigleTheGnome Why don't you go back to burning down minority neighborhoods and destroying statues of Winston Churchill and Thomas Jefferson? Its safe to do so since many of your Democrat mayors have decided to not enforce the law on while you still support "The Party", plus add the massive increases in "Blue Flues" and there won't be anyone to stop you aside from concerned citizens who (for soooooooooome reason) don't want to see their communities destroyed by roving packs of insane zealots and cultists

[@q.c8674]

@@pathfindersavant3988 Well this is all over the place. Other that the "destroying statues" comment (do the States even have statues of Churchill), I have no clue what this comment is advocating for and I am honestly curious. Would you mind elaborating on what "Blue Flues" are and who the "cultists" are?

[@Flying-Maytree]

@@q.c8674 That commenter is an idiot but the comment about Churchill statutes is about folks in England pulling down some statues of racists (which Churchill definitely was, despite his good points) in imitation of what's going on in the U.S. "Blue Flu" is when cops call in "sick" to work, even though they aren't, as a form of protest. Cops aren't allowed to officially go on strike in many states so they do this instead if they have sick days saved up. "Blue" = cops and "Flu" = fake sickness.

[@Nurat170]

I love how Marco Polo was labeled "Please be less vain." Even kids know how lost and found that guy was.

[@kevinforbesofficial]

Marco Polo walked into China like he was walking onto a yacht.

[@yoschiii]

*screams* “no stress we’re thriving” IF THIS IS NOT MY MENTAL HEALTH

[@AxxLAfriku]

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest KZbinr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear kole

[@kittykat5090]

@@AxxLAfriku what

[@kittykat5090]

fuckin' mood

[@mythichysteria124]

AxxL you literally said something like this in the last video lol

[@VashdaCrash]

@@mythichysteria124 I think he's doing some kind of avant-garde memeing

[@eriss013]

Ah, the 500BCs, the time when you can literally send dancing people as a gift

[@charlierosesmith3807]

I mean you can still do that if you have enough money

[@mariuchiha4664]

Charlie Rose Smith It’s also very illegal depending on the manner in which you acquire those people.

[@arnaudmenard5114]

The 21st century, the time when you can send dancing people as gif instead.

[@gustavoboscardin9351]

@@mariuchiha4664 it's only illegal if you get caught

[@debbiechan8657]

It's more common than you may think back in ancient China. They did this until, idk maybe a few centuries ago (?)

[@pearlyaa1102]

Confucius: Every sixty seconds in Africa, a minute passes All of China and some of east Asia: Talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping, spectacular , never the same, totally unique

[@9051team]

I mean during his time did the concept of 60 secs equals a min even exist?

[@tuttiflooti]

@@9051team no. They used incense

[@highbahamut6188]

and look what china has become today

[@Kruppuchino]

Every 2 incense burned a child dies in africa

[@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933]

He is speaking the language of gods

[@aliciacheung3727]

Everyone who studies Chinese: *reading tests and exams flashbacks*

[@pineaplecatcat8581]

Like we where doing this right before carona XD

[@LostInTheClouds]

Try emailing the authors of the pay-to-read essays. They get paid per essay and get no part of the money from whatever website now has the rights to their stuff so they usually have no qualms about sharing.

[@daffo595]

Yo we also had to memorise 弟子规 as children so

[@darkpixel1128]

@@LostInTheClouds works too for research papers that are paywalled, the authors get nothing from paywalled websites and are usually happy to just send the paper to you as a pdf

[@kzh3850]

I never understood why we had to learn this, no one follows his principles in China nowadays anyways

[@absoul112]

"Man, Confucius you're always trying to put something in its place. Why don't you tell your eyebrows they need to fit better on your face."

[@oceanberserker]

I see what you did there. Nice!

[@nocontextoyster5946]

“Oh I see, you wanna make it like that? I’ll knock your warmongering forehead out of that to-go box hat.”

[@illmakeupanamelater4354]

Confucius say: you can all hold these fortune cookies

[@cjsmalley5506]

@@nocontextoyster5946 So here's the real golden rule: I'm way above you weak rookies/Confucius say: you cannot hold these fortune cookies!

[@covenawhite4855]

Epic Rap Battle of History 😁

[@thehopeofeden597]

*confused screeching* “no stress, we’re thriving.” If that isn’t 2020 in a nutshell...

[@nathanblissett9470]

"functionally a ghost." The tier list killed me.

[@krcmaine]

I had to go back and pause it, it was worth it. 🤣

[@Falxifer95]

Marco Polo is so narcissistic and vain he gets a tier all for himself lol

[@StonedtotheBones13]

I think it's kinda wholesome? Like we don't even know if Homer was real, but still ppl venerate him

[@luthientinuviel3883]

"I didn't say half the things you guys think I said." - Confucius

[@terner1234]

"The comment I replied to is wrong." - Confucius

[@thehorseformerlywithoutana2522]

Man who confucius me with Confucius is Confuciud.

[@Kartissa]

"Who is it who says these things they say I said?" - Confucius

[@j3011]

"You can never trust a secondary account" -Socrates

[@kariscoyne1886]

sooo- dude never wrote anything down, wasn't well-liked in his lifetime & was popularized later by his students, becoming the foundation of a whole school of philosophy. Chinese Socrates?

[@Duiker36]

I mean, yes, except that he had multiple students who wrote his stuff down, rather than one student who used him as a mouthpiece.

[@Fearofthemonster]

@@Duiker36 socrates had multiple people(at least 2 of them his students) write him. It is just, other than plato they don't tell us much and plato like you have said used him as a mouthpiece.

[@safahasan486]

Either Confucius is Chinese Socrates or Socrates is Greek Confucius

[@musAKulture]

that's actually a really good comparison.

[@krcmaine]

Kinda sounds like Chinese Jesus to me...

[@DoctorToe212]

“But for reasons including and not limited to ARSON-“ What a time to be alive

[@richmcgee434]

Blue is on record as having admitted to burning the Library of Alexandria to the ground, you know. It's at least as canonical as Aunt May having been a Herald of Galactus.

[@FirstnameLastname-lv2nx]

"Yeah our teach is lit, makes sense that we write down most if not all of his ideas and make tired students recite them for the next few millennia, NO BIGGIE."

[@seleneshusi3204]

I still remembered them to this day

[@raisins6201]

Blue giving us the "the is fine" in the middle of a burning building même energy

[@asdrubalvect6328]

Philosophers: "Hey we've got a good things going, hopefully it won't be ruined-" Qin Dynasty: *"All Books Must Be Burned, All Philosophers Must Be Buried."* Philosophers under six feet of earth: "Well shit."

[@Ledabot]

On the other hand, the guy has exactly one source, and it's a guy who throws shade at the current emperor by writing about how bad this ancient emperor was. The same ancient emperor that conquered all of china. Can have been that useless if he did that after all.

[@John_Weiss]

One of those moments when the human race underwent a ruler-induced lobotomy. 😡

[@jackperales1076]

Last time I was this early ancient China was dissolving into another period of regional warlordism.

[@impii552]

1912?

[@MatheusHenrique-od8di]

Do you have any idea how little this narrows it down?

[@squirrel_killer-]

So pre-WW2. China has held together since then... Others than the little issue of of near constant civil war between two particular ideologies which have committed endless atrocities each with one of them only recently gaining near complete control of China.

[@shiningaster3871]

By the word of Confucius himself, "If an Nvidia factory is currently not on fire, it will be on fire." - Confucius

[@wgreywind7038]

Don't forget about the best way to fill your heart.

[@battafyuwi6760]

Hey hey hey Confucius here

[@shiningaster3871]

@@wgreywind7038 Ah yes, no chest, all butt to fill your heart.

[@soupy4099]

Teddy?!?

[@oscardelafuente8649]

Good to see you are a man of both worlds

[@ChemoshKamos]

Gotta love that stern "Hmmmmmm...". He makes his point known in an instant, without sidetracking into modern day politics.

[@BradyPostma]

6:23

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"So Emperor Gaozu watched a few TED Talks on Confucianism and became a fan" Meanwhile Kim Jong Un's favorite TED Talk must've been that one from Mao Zedong

[@2tehnik]

What about Juche though? Wasn't that North Korea's state philosophy from the get go?

[@VashdaCrash]

@@2tehnik That may be because you are an actual cultured person, most of us are just making memes lol

[@KIJIKLIPS]

Ah hello there

[@KIJIKLIPS]

Where is the second?

[@samminden1058]

I feel Sima Qian would make for an amazing History-Makers video, partly because his life story is fascinating (he and his father were the court historians and astrologers for Emperor Wu/Han Wudi and hated it, and Sima Qian was castrated for speaking out against Wudi) and partly because the way he wrote history fascinating. In addition to what you mentioned there, he structured the Shiji not chronologically but based on topic (and THEN divided it chronologically within that) with those topics ranging from the history of music theory and agriculture to the biographies of merchants and assassins. In addition, he worked hard to give multiple perspectives on those he described before rendering his personal judgement (for example, showing the brutality and schemes of the Dowager Empress Lu but then praising her as an able and just ruler in his summation of her life). While he was influenced by the Spring and Autumn Annals, he went far beyond the barebones stories found there and tried to construct something grander. To Sima Qian, what he was making was a history of the world. I personally see him as a hybrid of the best of Herodotus and Thucydides (especially the spite and bitterness of Thucydides). Also, it should be important to note, The Shiji was not intended as a Court History despite being the Court Historian. Sima Qian saw his work as being for scholars like himself above all else, and includes a lot of digs at the Han (including ranking Liu Bang's rival the legendary warrior Xiang Yu amongst the reigns of Emperors rather than amongst the lives of generals or minor nobles). Overall, he (in my opinion) fully deserves his title as The Grand Historian.

[@AskMia411]

Blue: wants to make us proud. Blue: puts random goose hjonk in video. Me: Extremely Proud

[@michaelscott6022]

Thought we were having an solar eclipse, what with Blue throwing so much _shade._

[@1r587]

Fun fact, there actually is one on the solstice this year.

[@MoonBoyClips]

"I found a goose guys" my favourite osp quote

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Man, I sooo want a copy of that Goose Game. That was one of the most entertaining streams they did. Think I'll watch it again!

[@eh9618]

Wait, confucius the philosopher, this isn't history makers, this must be the legendary philisophical phridays!!

[@stormrunner4081]

I’m not saying he needs to bring them back but there’s cake in it for him if he does

[@MaylocBrittinorum]

Whitehead: "European philosophical tradition consists of a series of footnotes to Plato" China: *looks nervously*

[@daddyleon]

I'm sure a few other nations as well.

[@JustGrowingUp84]

Yeah, I instantly thought of Socrates.

[@szilveszterforgo8776]

@@JustGrowingUp84 What do you mean?

[@menpower1]

@@szilveszterforgo8776 Philosophers who became a linchpin of their philosophical tradition without actually writing anything (their disciples did the writing for them): who do you think of?

[@suddenllybah]

@@menpower1 Jesus?

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Horses AND Dancing Girls, huh? More like the State of Lewd, amiright?

[@LotusHearted]

Go say hi to your brother, he’s a bit higher up in the comments.

[@Wasabi-rs5lv]

@@LotusHearted Looks like his brother moved a few comments below him now.

[@zodiaczennial3676]

"A government which relies on harsh laws and punishments is doomed to fail because it's working in opposition of the people...HMM?!"

[@sella_love1790]

I love that!

[@wambo5597]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA -Blue 2020

[@biliminsrlar5752]

Such wise words.

[@JAzzWoods-ik4vv]

-Blue, always

[@famoladejo3655]

Lol No truer words have ever been spoken XD

[@nateskinner97]

A history makers on the historical Jesus of Nazareth would be dope.

[@wackypacky6917]

The comments section tho...

[@emptysheetofpaper9420]

@@wackypacky6917 So, the comments section in general?

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

That would be a short video.

[@John_Weiss]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 But it would be fun to watch all of the heads explode when they learn that, "Nazareth" was an invention to con a Dowager Roman Empress on pilgrimage to The Holy Land, all because she didn't understand that, "Nazarene" was a school of Jewish thought, not residents of a town. (The site she was taken to was a well near an old Jewish graveyard. Problem is, the Jews of 2000 years ago _never_ put their graveyards anywhere near where they lived, nevermind near the source of their drinking water! They did, however, way the bodies of their dead, so they would've had a dedicated water supply for that purpose.)

[@dizzydaisy909]

Since nobody said it, I think you'd enjoy reading The Life of Jesus by David Strauss, which is exactly this.

[@kipofthemany2213]

7:16 wait, a ruler listening to an underling, hearing their point, understand that they have a point, and changing their philosophy to reflect said point?! It's a miracle!

[@sruthinotshruthi2493]

"Good governance was hard to come by- gee, wonder how that feels like-" _shots_ *_f i r e d_*

[@unsapient2197]

pun hopefully not intended lol

[@InnocentNoodle]

Hey, no bluebois allowed

[@josgretf2800]

I followed Confucianism for many years and the book that got me into it was great. had a huge section about him and his influences, the complete works collected by his followers, and a Chinese dictionary all in one.

[@kamenridersaiga4294]

Confucius: Hey got some advice. Wanna hear it? China rulers: No, I got to much on my plate. Servant get me my meal. 10 years later China in civil war. Confucius: I told u so. 2000 year later. Confucius in the grave: still told u so, but the world right now is still crack more than China when I was alive

[@FlandreScarlet01]

"I will make you proud if it kills me" God, if that ain't a mood, I don't know what is.

[@RoadkillMarionette]

I thought he was gonna say "I will make you PAY"

[@nelsiegeografo9185]

I'm going to give props for Blue for his Chinese pronunciation... I thought he'd mispronounce them as most of us did when trying to learn Chinese. I'm still bad at it though.

[@christelheadington1136]

"Most of what we know, is through his disciples." mmmmm Sounds familiar.

[@robopope7584]

Like a hike to the opposite of the eastern hell. Edit: fixing dumb autocorrect

[@dezopenguin9649]

Not to mention that the practice of viewing historical regimes through the lens of their adherence to Confucian ethics sounds an *awful lot* like reading the history of Israel in the Old Testament.

[@Void-cn6rn]

And a bunch of it conflicted to boot!

[@richmcgee434]

OTOH, none of Confucius' lads claimed he came back as a zombie.

[@Falxifer95]

@@dezopenguin9649 the amount of ancient philosophers, prophets and other sages around the world that preached any form of pacifist, moralistic and ethical beliefs that are ignored by the various despots in history on their lands and beyond is staggering.

[@raptorus7773]

Ah Confuscious, most know him for his teachings, or the fortune cookies that "quote" him, BUT i know him for having a dinosaur named after him.

[@tybuss6211]

A WHAT, which one

[@raptorus7773]

@@tybuss6211 confuciusornis

[@irmuusanaa4227]

Han advisor: a empire can’t be ruled on horse back. Genghis khan: *Challenge accepted!*

[@azkon7975]

*Except for the Huns [raiding noises] To be fair, IIRC, the they didn't so much rule as they just said "give us tribute and rule by yourselves." It was more like a loose association of territories that paid taxes to the same place.

[@terner1234]

*collapses 100 years later*

[@Lightstrikers]

Challenge Fail! Gengis Khan's Empire and Alexander"s Empire fell as soon as they died.

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

@@terner1234 To be fair, during that time in history, controlling such a massive empire would've been impossible. This also happened with the Greek empire after Alexander's death, and eventually the Roman Empire. This is largely why up till the mid to late 1700s, we don't see nations and empires larger than the state of Texas a vast majority of the time, and the ones that do end up bigger generally collapse within a few decades.

[@robertmiller9735]

@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes Yeah, beaurocracy as one of the great advances of history...

[@emmagrace9697]

“good governance was in dubious supply. gee, i wonder what that feels like.” i see EXACTLY what you did there the little jabs are the best part of this

[@comixproviderftw_02]

"So here's the real golden rule, I'm way above you weak rookies. Confucius say, YOU CAN ALL HOLD THESE FORTUNE COOKIES!"

[@Adi_Ce]

Lol I remember epic rap battles

[@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933]

You don't wanna stand in the path of Lao Tzu today...

[@cormarine9812]

Confucius Quote: True stress is being early on a video and wanting to leave a comment, but not knowing what to comment.

[@midwestmatcha]

I absolutely love your comment

[@gamingemail769]

Confucius, truly a man ahead of his time. P.S. I also really like your comment.

[@in3zb1u3]

I like the "Will the be on the exam?" guy. Very true look on his face.

[@tommyjones7096]

China fractures politically: Produces Confucius America fractures politically: Produces Alex Jones

[@hedgehog3180]

[Sad Trumpet Noise]

[@adamwu4565]

There probably was a Chinese version of Alex Jones. He just got torched along with all the others during the Qin.

[@qus.9617]

Hong Xiuquan: Hello is it me you're looking for?

[@covenawhite4855]

China got the better deal. Imagine if hard times made amazing leaders. Leaders which convinced people of different opinions to respect each other no matter which political party they were from. Leaders who talked about human rights while embracing cultural diffences.

[@strabo1828]

1:38 ‘Gee I wonder what that feels like...’ Same here, pal 😂

[@katmhcharis1236]

China in the Spring and Autumn period: **aAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH** The World in 2020: **aAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH** Blue trying to find a solid source about Confucius: **aAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH**

[@sebastianchavez1225]

Ah yeah, the wise chinese man who invented confusion

[@remuslebeau6570]

I love your pun.

[@sebastianchavez1225]

@@remuslebeau6570 Thanks pal It´s actually a reference to one of those "Miss Universe" like contest, where a participant was asked who Confucius was and she UNIRONICALLY answered more or less what i commented up there.

[@faechan92]

El chino-japones que invento la confusión.

[@Bob_the_destroyer]

As my old friend Confucius say "The hunter has become the hunter-ed."

[@madisonstoner7405]

THE CHASER HAS BECOME THE CHOSED

[@quote6013]

Dame fortuna has had his franking privileges revoked.

[@d3Rm0Nk]

13 years after leaving due to the sounds of "dancing", he came home and started teaching kids who were surprisingly all around the age of 13 ... Wonder where THOSE came from

[@casual-owl]

~China is whole again... ...then it broke again~

[@gloompire]

I've never been this early, it's like a liminal space in here

[@mgdsheseverywhere.3457]

longmothman Same

[@1.red.panda.1]

Same

[@mark_gerard6392]

Oh gosh *SAME*

[@totalrodentcreativeliberties]

You got a shoutout on the osp discord and I have never been so jealous.

[@tybuss6211]

Yeah its a weird feeling but a good one

[@TheMan83554]

The shade in this video is off the charts. I love it.

[@handylingua]

Props for getting so much of the Chinese (audio pronunciation and visual on-screen characters) correct! Undoubtedly a lot of work to avoid the usual credibility-sapping sloppiness that can go over the heads of the usual viewers who are clueless (about the family of Chinese languages). That's some no-joke dedication right there and I salute you and Red, who seems to have handwritten the Chinese characters in her videos, for it!

[@henrywong2725]

Confucius: is in a kingdom It’s king/lord: You have lost your living privileges here

[@codiegonzalez1747]

"Gee, I wonder what that feels like" *bitter other American laughter*

[@codiegonzalez1747]

25 bitter Americans with me whassup

[@robertf3606]

Hey man, we ain't stacking each other like cordwood yet so we're doing ok so far. It could be a hell of a lot worse

[@broganmacdonald7838]

i love this serious because it teaches me about all the stuff i learned in "history of the entire world i guess" but properly

[@redwitch12]

This is like the expansion pack. The video equivalent of clicking the links provided in "history of the entire world i guess" and ending up on a six-hour Wiki Walk.

[@shubhampawaskar6694]

Blue, don’t you think that Chinese history is “Confucing” 😂😂😂😎😎😎

[@corrat4866]

Shubham Pawaskar get out

[@scrumptious_bussy1037]

This pun makes my eyes hurt I love it 😍

[@thehorseformerlywithoutana2522]

Confuscius say, I am so Confucius.

[@Falxifer95]

Cease!

[@boomvroomshroom2912]

6:22 i keep playing this over and over again

[@foolbio5471]

6:24 That dissapointed look on Blue it's making me regret my poor life choices.

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Confucius, one of the most misunderstood guys. Still behind Machiavelli.

[@MichaelTargaryen8809]

"topsy turvy slicey stabby" 5:42 iconic

[@kerim63000]

Last time I was this early China was one country.

[@BacchaeOphanim]

I'd like to see this series expanded to include museums. I mean, mostly, I wanna hear Blue talk about the absolutely insane way the US got the Smithsonian, but I think the history of museums around the world would be an incredibly fascinating topic.

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

All of his disciples wrote after his death, and the guy never wrote anything himself? Hmm...sounds rather suspiciously like a certain Son of Man we've got here over in the West...

[@robertmiller9735]

That case is even worse: originally anonymous accounts later assigned authorship from the characters in them.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@robertmiller9735 Also they're all one or more generations removed from the events they talk about.

[@EpiclyAverageGirl]

I didn't know Tarzan went on to be a philosopher

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

Fantastic! I just learned a lot about a great teacher I didn't know anything about! It may be the biologist in me, but I absolutely love that thing in history/genetics/paleobiology/linguistics where you have to reconstruct a long-lost Thing from the hacked-together corpses of Things that sort of kind of lasted long enough for us to understand them at least *slightly* better. Like a jigsaw puzzle that hates your guts and also might be made of actual guts! It's great! Academic masochism, here I come... ... I'm definitely here for the bards, so I'd love to see our own Bard of Ayr take to the stage. Burns didn't exactly write textbooks, but he did do his utmost to preserve an oral culture collapsing around him while providing insight into the landscapes of the day through his own poetry. While, y'know, writing diss tracks against the church and having an illegitimate kid with every bonnie lass frae Alloway ta Inverneckie, 'cos he lived that rock'n'rove life. '*' Not a perfect dude by any stretch, but he's fascinating, definitely a History Maker and I'd love to see your take! ------------------- '*' Good thing too; his other option would have been sailing off to become a slaver's clerk. From his later writings, as I recall, it's pretty clear that Burns would have utterly *despised* any version of himself that could have supported that particular institution.

[@minimaleffortname2758]

Last time I was this early trope talks weren't a thing

[@inannaenigma9391]

‘Good governance was in dubious supply.’ ‘Gee. I wonder what THAT feels like.’ I felt that on a soul level.

[@jenniferbtoo9344]

The amount of saltyness is ASTOUNDING

[@abbysmommy1205]

Is it just me or did this episode have far more sass and sarcasm than usual? I love it.

[@JimmehRulez]

Hmm... I can make a possible pun but I'm out of ideas... Guess I'm CONFUSIED here! I'll see myself out.

[@QuintonMurdock]

When you get so agitated about missing information that you sound like a old door opening

[@geekacelol8982]

“The sounds of neighing and moaning” can be taken out of context in very scary ways

[@terner1234]

this literally is the context

[@richmcgee434]

Honestly surprised the phrase popped up instead of a video about the death of Attila the Hun, or urban myths about Catherine the Great, or a scholarly discussion of the life and times of Kenneth Pinyan. Don't look that last one up at work, BTW.

[@mjbull5156]

The Emperor liked to ride.

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

Fun fact Confucius has a surviving bloodline down to the modern day I think .one of his descendants is Kong rong from the late han era who is a critic of Cao Cao

[@galecarp]

I have a good friend and his wife is the 83th generation descendant of Confucius. Both of them live now in Germany.

[@timefortjer6705]

last time I was this early, China wasn't whole again yet

[@dustyprater7884]

This couldn't have come at a better time. I'm studying the religions of Ancient China today. Thank you so much OSP! Keep up the good work!

[@zamuy12479]

6:30 hold up, did Confucius just imply, in warring states era china, that supreme power ultimately derives from the will of the people? Ballsy move. Good move.

[@randomperson2078]

Not in the same way as, say, John Locke. But yes! He did.

[@goodthingsonly23]

Just like highschool, I'm early for history lol

[@aciesongbird9052]

Video: is 9 minutes long When I started it: 2 minutes from upload Me: goes back to home and sees that this video was uploaded 6 minutes ago You bitch you wanna see some *real* speed

[@Cometstarlight]

All right, WHO edited this video? The little captions, the cuts, the sound effects-those were freaking great! I loved it! Also all the references to “The history of the entire world I guess,” perfect.

[@jeremy1860]

This is, quite literally, the most I've ever learned about Confucius in one sitting 😅

[@queenjayisokay1989]

This is the earliest i will ever be and I regret nothing. I love these guys

[@fortuna2335]

One could say it was a very ‘Confucing’ period.

[@jackeydu108]

Confucius' greatest legacy to the Chinese people is not Confucianism itself, but rather a heart committed to striving for goodness and a dedication to learning. The aspect of Confucius' philosophy most revered by the Chinese is the belief that self-improvement is possible through learning, that one should love and care for their family, and that good morals and noble behavior can make the world a better place. As for the other ideas you've mentioned, they were later additions by people seeking to consolidate power, such as the concept of the Mandate of Heaven. Confucius himself was an atheist; he believed that people hadn't yet understood the meaning of life, so how could they possibly comprehend the world after death? He thought that people should focus more on honoring their ancestors, who had worked hard to build this world, rather than blindly worshipping non-existent deities. Confucius spent his life traveling among various states in China, hoping that the rulers would embrace his ideas, treat their citizens well, refrain from abusing their power, and focus on providing education and improving the lives of the people. However, his ideas were too idealistic and therefore were not accepted by the rulers. Confucius was the illegitimate son of a military officer and a brewer's daughter. He was born into a lowly status, but through hard work and learning, he created a great legacy for himself.

[@diddle0785]

Blue: all of China is one heck of a classroom. Me: no wonder they’re so smart

[@Nacur]

Great episode. I believe it would be interesting to have an episode on Paul The Apostle (Saul of Tarsus) and his influence on early Christianity

[@FnSpiralMedia]

6:23 Disapproving blue is my new favorite thing!! Legit laughed out loud

[@Sakeeya27]

Literally could've used this last week for college. Thanks OSP 😂

[@dracone4370]

There's an episode on Confucius on the Curiosity Stream series The Butterfly Effect. I think Blue would really like the series

[@taicanium]

Gaozu: "Why should I bother with morals when I've conquered my empire on horseback?" Confucian monk: _vaguely gestures at the Qin dynasty that Gaozu just finished conquering._

[@mattevans4377]

Westerners: Our governments are horrible! Hong Kong: Is this a joke?

[@whoknows7968]

It's more Westerners: Our governments could be sooooo much better! Hong Kong: Hey guys, *pay attention to what is happening over here!*

[@XCal]

Hong Kong: Extradition laws need updating China: I agree Hong Kong: I oppose this based on an assumption that you will abuse it China: The wording is clear though Hong Kong: Yes but you've loopholed with less before China: Does that mean you're just going to ignore me? Hong Kong: No but riots. China: Sure okay China: ... China: Wait are you still going? Hong Kong: Yes because I'm expressing the bottled up sentiments and drama that is way beyond the original scope of where this started China: So what is this about now? Hong Kong: Opposing you, which we will now label as pro-democracy Westerners: The last part is the main thing I got from this and all I will care about China: Cracking down on riots Hong Kong: That's undemocratic Westerners: That's undemocratic China: No, it's authoritarian. I'm authoritarian. It's how I do things Westerners: Whatever, we're just going to be on all the anti-China side because that's a safe bet it'll be seen as the good guys China: I will consistently act in a way that keeps that bet a safe one Westerners: So Hong Kong, what is this about? Hong Kong: We're pro-democracy, pro-freedom, other words that definitely mean things Hong Kong: Actually, we're kind of a rioting mob and not monolithic so you'll have to do with those two Westerners: That's fine, it's all the attention span we can manage Hong Kong: But if you'd stop for a second and listen, my position is that our government might abuse its powers so we fight against it. You know what that's like? Westerners: Governments that abuse their powers? Why yes, it's what we've been electing Hong Kong: What Westerners: Don't worry, caring about you makes us look woke so we don't have to care about ourselves Hong Kong: I feel you mainly just dislike China and will forget about me after this China: I feel like I'm being hated for simplified reasons Taiwan: Its okay China Taiwan: I hate you for traditional reasons Taiwan: I'll see myself out China: No

[@mattevans4377]

@@XCal While I enjoyed reading this, what was your main point? And yes, I see the irony of that.

[@nalbakri]

Here's a bit of Confucius trivia. Since 1005 CE, there has been an official Confucian advisor to the Chinese court/government that survives up to this day. The post is has been held by a direct male-line descendant of Confucius for the last 1,000+ years with the current incumbent advising the Taiwanese government. The post came with the title "Duke of Yansheng", but since nobility is no longer a thing in China and Taiwan, the advisor goes by the title "Ceremonial Official to Confucius".

[@lintree]

This feels a lot like half my school work after being absent because sick for two months

[@ishika5619]

blue not-so-subtly shading current affairs is my new favourite thing

[@anishgupta1719]

Time to invoke a meme older than China... Blue: *Uploads a new video* Me: "Ah yes, what a wonderful time to drop anything else and learn about Confucius." *Mulan soundtrack starts playing*

[@Nightfire613]

Confucius is one of those guys you could attribute any deep sounding quote to and people will just BELIEVE you.