10 Locomotives That Are Sadly Extinct | History in the Dark

[@davidstrawn9272]

22:18. Edward is my favorite character too. Yes, it maybe sad that his basis were scrapped, but cheer up, there are few 4-4-0's that resembles Edward in the UK (and one in Netherlands) in existence today. Such as the North British Railway K class (LNER D34) "Glen Douglas" 256 in Riverside Museum in Glasgow (the city where Furness Railway K2s were built), The LNER D40 preserved in Bo'ness, the LSWR T9 that is built older than FR K2, and of course the Netherlands 4-4-0 that was built by Sharp Stewart and is also the Furness Railway K2's older brother, and cab similar to Edwards' cab.

[@atsf47legit]

I respect Perlman. Even though he had to scrap the jewels that were the Hudson and Niagara, he helped pull the Central into the diesel era long enough. Although I do think that there should at least be a replica of a Hudson or Niagara that's as big as the thing itself. They truly were the ghosts of the rails.

[@colestrains1]

No. He can’t be forgiven for such a stupid business decision. They definitely could have preserved at least 1 Hudson/niagara

[@atsf47legit]

@@colestrains1 It was the only way to keep the railroad alive. He did what he had to do to keep it in good condition. I agree, one should've been preserved, but it didn't happen. And if it doesn't get rebuilt from scratch, that's that. I'm not going to throw a fuss about it like what you're doing.

[@colestrains1]

@@atsf47legit there’s more ways to preserve locomotives than just giving them away. He could have put one up for sale or offered it to a museum. Somone would definitely have bought it very quickly

[@kristoffermangila]

Alfred Perlman did it with Mohawk #3001

[@ktipuss]

25:05 Ironically, despite the Victorian S Class being deposed off the "Spirit of Progress" by diesels, when that train started running through New South Wales after conversion to Standard Gauge in 1962, its Goulburn-Canberra Division ran for several years behind (wait for it) a 19th Century (P) 32 Class loco!

[@RepublicofNevada8575]

At lease the PRR Class T1 is coming back and the newest engine #5550.

[@matthewlastrapes8104]

Great job on video love watching them I hope someday 610 will run again as well

[@Tom-Lahaye]

Whenever the T-1 project is a success and new builds can take off in the US like they do in the UK, the streamlined Hudson would be the number 1 on my list for the next project. There are many Pacifics, Berkshires and Northerns in preservation, but apart from the Canadian #2816 on tour trough the US a Hudson is a long lost sight on US railroads.

[@Luckyblox14]

5:00 arent the 765 NKP and 1225 berkshires?

[@thejdmguru621]

The closest thing to the Niagaras today would probably be both the UP FEF series, and the SAR Class 25NCs which was recently talked about by Train of Thought (hint,hint)

[@DukeOfTrains]

I love the stream lined hudsons

[@Anonymous-sb2iu]

“Barry I swear to god-“ 😂😂

[@andrewwatkins4852]

Oh so that what a steam engine is

[@CinderMachine]

Barry you ask one more time you will get locket in the fire box

[@endelosecosplay1302]

"Darn it, Barry! You are trying to drive me off the rails!"

[@zaklex3165]

Apparently Perlman's bean counters completely forgot about charitable tax right offs...which would've been far more lucrative than scrapping.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

I generally agree with you, but I always thougt that the rules on charitable tax right-offs in the USA, at that time of the 50's, disallowed benefit accruing from the right-off from being more than the benefit accruing from scrapping. Now, of course, the charitable tax right-off is allowed to generate more money than scrapping or sale.

[@haydendegrow945]

It's sad losses like these that make me want to invent a time machine and go back to when these mighty machines were around... The Niagaras, the Hudsons, the S-Class, the T1s? TOSS ME THE KEYS, MARTY! THE DELOREAN IS MINE FOR THE DAY!

[@ericzaiz8358]

Pretty sure all those can hit 88 miles an hour as well. So have doc make a few cars worth of flux capacitors and hit it!

[@leeloolab]

lets go

[@leeloolab]

thanks

[@ericzaiz8358]

Boy! Wheres my Milwaukee Road Class A? Why isn't the Hiawatha Atlantic Locomotive on here!

[@PiersDJackson]

The Victorian Railways may have only built four of the S class, and one of the similarly important H class, but all five were restricted by their axleloading to specific route corridors. If the War hadn't interfered it's believed that the S class would have numbered a minimum of twelve, and the H class at eight, to run the Spirit of Progress on the North East line, and the Overlander to Adelaide. In both cases the locomotives were to be exchanged at significant points rather than refuelling en-route.

[@lob123elite]

Another EM-1 was also almost preserved: #659 was featured in a B&O museum booklet for future steam exhibits in the late 50’s and early 60’s. There was sadly a mixup in communication about the locomotives status and she sat in storage until 1961 hoping for the chance to be preserved. But she was scrapped that year and was one of the last EM-1s left. A tragedy that none of these massive yellowstones were preserved as they would have been a nice addition to the small set of big articulated engines still around. Rest in piece the B&O brutes.

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

9:08 Me when I'm playing an online game and a guy by the name of "あなたはめちゃくちゃです" joins

[@mikewolf7288]

It's amazing how some of these railroads bought steam locomotives in the late 40s and within 8 years scrapped them.

[@CincinnatiSouthernProductions]

Great video but here’s a little bit of a correction for you. The two tenders from the L&N big Emmas are not the only two survivors. They’re just the only unmodified ones. A few more survive and are used behind excursion engines today. 611, 261, 765, one is on display at Clifton forge, with 614 and one is owned by Kentucky Steam.

[@MachRacer4]

You beat me to mentioning that Milwaukee Road 261 has an Auxiliary Water Tender that was an L&N 2-8-4 tender originally.

[@CincinnatiSouthernProductions]

@@MachRacer4 lol I’m sure they’ll be a few other people that’ll make that correction.

[@Jeisr4207-bc5ui]

They should rebuild an L&N 2-8-4

[@CincinnatiSouthernProductions]

@@Jeisr4207-bc5ui it would be cool, but unfortunately that will cost a lot of money. I think the closest thing we’ll have to that is C&O 2716 dressed up.

[@Delta_Collects]

Hey darkness, idea for a video for you, top 5 best rebuilt locomotives, and I'll even give you a locomotive suggestion for it if you do make it, the Milwaukee Road SD10

[@F40M07]

The T1 may be extinct, but it’s making a comeback.

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

I just wish the Hudsons were too

[@elsagillespie5210]

If you look on the Valley Heights locomotive museum's website & look through the photos. I helped to take the photo of the 5711 in the rain...ok I held a Bunning's (Aussie version of Home Depo) umbrella.

[@kevinkern2149]

If I were to add to this list, I'd nominate the Milwaukee Road class A Atlantics, the main rival to the NYC Hudsons for most famous steam streamliner. Almost synonymous with the name of the train they were built to pull, "Hiawatha," these four locomotives were the fastest and most advanced Atlantics ever built, being legit speed record holders designed for 100 mph+ running. Their successors, the class F7 Hudsons, while perhaps not having the same level of iconic-ness to their look, are also contenders for this list for being even faster and more powerful, capable of sustained 120 mph+ running and possibly (like the PRR T1) exceeding Mallard's speed record. Milwaukee Road seems to have started dieselizing early, at least on passenger services, as all four As and six F7s were scrapped by 1951.

[@williamsquires3070]

There’s a 7-1/4” gauge Hudson in Australia (private ownership); not sure of the scale, but it’s live steam. There’s a video about it floating around on YT. Of course, there are HO-scale models of it, too. So the memory of the NYC Hudson’s lives on, despite Alfred’s chainsaw!

[@buecomet831]

I WANT DAT STEAM- Alfred E. Perlman I don't give a shit- Scott the Woz

[@Heroduothecomedian]

9:11 Damn it, berry lmao xD

[@andrewwatkins4852]

The furness railway was also home to Edward and was the starting point of the sodor and mainland railway company but unfortunately there was a worker strike and a yard explosion which caused a closure of the railway and Edward and his family survived his brother Winston went to the great eastern railway and his brother Albert was working for the great western railway and Edward went to sodor and he is still there

[@robdgaming]

Although I'm sure it's a different class, several 2-8-4 Berkshires or "Big Mikes" (as in 2-8-2 Mikado) were/are preserved at the B&O RR Museum in Baltimore, near Edgar Allan Poe's house (that guy had serious history in the dark).

[@davidmaust1415]

Personally I would have loved to see a EM-1 thundering by my house, still cumder dust there by the tracks on the Old Mainline close to where plane #4 would've been. The blueberry bushes I planted love that soil. I think the small tunnels were the limiting factor in size, as it might've been made bigger than possibly the big boy or Allegheny

[@jasper_saberwolf]

Sad to see these locos never made it for future generations to learn about and appreciate :( I did love the Moe Howard Niagara Falls reference ❤ lol

[@awesomeaustin5704]

Should’ve sent the wheeling engine to replace the b&o museum one

[@williamsquires3070]

The VR class S 4-6-2s looked a lot like Pennsy K-4s, the big differences were the buffers, the “elephant ear” smoke deflectors, and the smooth boilers with few rivets (and the screw-link coupling I see there underneath the knuckle coupler on the front.) Definitely a pity none were saved. 😢

[@lob123elite]

No offense but that looks nothing like the PRR k4. If it is reminiscent of an america locomotive, It reminds me more of B&O V-2 Class #2/#5350 (AKA) Lord Baltimore.

[@0fficialdregs]

for an experience engineer or locomotive buff in the comments, I have a question can a 2-8-4 outperform a 4-8-2 Mountain or 4-8-4 Northern when it comes to freight service only?

[@harrisonallen651]

Hudson’s were peak in American steam

[@85szabolcs]

Oh yess. Hungary mentioned.

[@TAQtique]

They should've preserved the new york central niagara

[@AshCatTrainz]

No

[@TAQtique]

@AshCatTrainz yes

[@AshCatTrainz]

@@TAQtique no

[@TAQtique]

@AshCatTrainz yes

[@AshCatTrainz]

@@TAQtique but no

[@ALCO-C855-fan]

I WANT THE EM-1 BACK!!!!!!

[@BattleshipMan_]

Where the hell are my AC-9s on this list.

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

There’s also the NP Z-5’s

[@CassandraPantaristi]

As with the new T1, I'd love to see a streamlined Hudson rebuilt.

[@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944]

What about EMD DD35s They went extinct on UPs lines

[@jf_40]

I'd argue that the DD⁄E class locomotive was actually the first Pacific type operated by the Victorian Railways. Preceded the S class by nearly 20 years.

[@ALCO-C855-fan]

See you in 2030, T1!!!

[@GoofyVirginian630]

Alright I’m gonna be honest, I understand Pearlman’s financial decisions, but I think at least one Hudson or Niagara should’ve been preserved. Especially the Hudsons, because they were one of America’s most iconic steam locomotives and it would be pretty cool to see one around.

[@uncipaws7643]

Class 96 (Bavarian Gt 2×4/4) was Germany's largest tank locomotive, a Mallet with 8 powered axles built specifically as a helper engine to push at the rear of heavy trains on steep lines. 25 were built 1913 to 1923, after the second world war two remained in east germany and sixteen in west germany, the last were scrapped 1954, so all that's left over are scale models built by apprentices in railway repair works, and those have been looked at by model railway manufacturers ever since to make models. Post-war the railways in both east and west generally looked to simplify their maintenance procedure which meant that many older classes preserved in smaller numbers were quickly decommissioned, the museum scene really awakened when the last steam locomotives operated in the 1970s. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKioenlpq5iFmKc

[@giogvaramia-cg5pr]

Cen you make video ebavt southern pacific 2472

[@JAK359PB]

It's funny after watching this I realized both my son's hot wheel toys, West Coast Flyer & West Coast Crusher, are based off the NYC Hudson. It's ironic that there named west coast but are really an east coast train. 😂🤣

[@thesudricmerman3318]

I can't be only one to think once that t1 loco is completed that the group could build a new Hudson locomotive by purchase the tender as they only need to build the locomotive?

[@DukeOfTrains]

They’d have to not only purchase the tender bet restore it to be able to carry coal and water or oil or fuel so not so easy

[@MGower4465]

"Only"?

[@kristoffermangila]

That'll be a difficult task, remember it was modified into a steam generator car, but also the US government owns it, through the National Park Service.

[@kristoffermangila]

@@chooch1764 the guys that operate #Tornado in the UK used this funding model, operate Tornado for a few years until they have the initial funds to start construction of the Gresley P2.

[@rapidraposa7327]

My great grandfather took part in restoring R707. Im standing on R707 in my pic.

[@supergenesisstation1991]

The T1 trust has been making good progress. The frame is said to be completed by the 4th of July and then they're gonna work on the cylinders immediately after. Then by 2025 the cylinders will be attached to the frame along with (hopefully) air compressors and steam generators. Hopefully by then they'll have the final drive wheel completed and those will get fitted with the tires and have frame mounted on them.

[@colestrains1]

She’s gonna be up to steam sooner than we think!!!

[@Alexander-km8es]

I never knew STIHL made chain saws back in the 1950s

[@erikkola8078]

there are 3 dmir yellowstone saved

[@TrainLover-wt9ix]

I have a second channel that’s gonna preserve Madame Queen

[@robcowboy2713]

Y'know what? If/When the T1 new-build is finished I wonder if railfans can kickstart a newbuild for a NYC Streamlined Hudson. If not that then a Mohawk or Niagara would be just as prized to see resurrected.

[@MrCateagle]

Yeah, diesel locomotives were likely difficult to come by during WW II due to diesel usage insubmarines.

[@ChargerusPrime]

The T1 wasnt great. Hint; IMPROPER SPRING EQUALIZATION!!!!! Thus causing these things to not have a good factor of adhesion which means wheelslip even at speed

[@trainsp0tter_lucas]

Im guessing that new york central railway big boss was the american version of beeching

[@matthewpowell2429]

It's my hope to bring many of the American ones back, especially the Big Emmas.

[@umbreon0017]

Whos gonna tell perlman about all the model Hudsons and Niagras

[@srajfnly2]

Wait a moment Darkness I thought Lima built the Berks first then Baldwin

[@dustin_4501]

It was Baldwin who supplied the first and second batch and Lima supplied the third that's what he was referred to.

[@The-Russian-empire-Yt]

Why does the Victorian Railway ways S class look like the Commodore Vanderbilt

[@coolman05]

also at least one yellowstone

[@solidaridadjusticia1438]

Is this a repost?

[@dafantacan4635]

" WhAts A fIrEbOx?!?!?!11ß111ß1ß " wise words of billy-

[@coolman05]

i wish they would bring back the hudsons and niagras\

[@supergenesisstation1991]

Locate the last hudson, boys!

[@hudsonfan5426]

Yep... I knew there was going to be a Perlman joke🤣. It truly is such a shame that no NYC Hudson is preserved.

[@rushylvania.northern]

9:09 PLOT TWIST!

[@clevelandmaker386]

Ok.... just asking....what is astrotrain?

[@Steamtheamaricanengine]

He mentioned my boy in the K2 segment 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@zingxiu6123]

They chug and they chug and the more they chug the more they chug M O N É

[@thecapisoffyt]

this is literally the 5000th video of extinct locomotives, wonder when there will be original content 🤔

[@andrewbowen4544]

Barry The Legend

[@OlivergwrThomasthetankenginefa]

And don’t forget c34

[@matthewrothert5433]

What happened to your classic intro dude

[@crocowithaglocko5876]

This is a compilation

[@jameshope5365]

Are there any surviving 4 6 4 types? Ive never actually seen one.

[@jaysverrisson1536]

There are five CB&Q Hudsons on static display in the midwest, including one in LaCrosse, Wisconsin. Apparently, that one is in restorable condition despite sitting outside for several decades. There's a YT video on it. (Don't know about Hudson types elsewhere that may exist.)

[@johnd8892]

The same Victorian Railways in Australia at 23:26 had seventy of their R class Hudsons. Seven of the seventy Victorian Railways R class Hudsons have been preserved. Of these four are in operational use. Not many months in the year when each does not run a fan trip often double headed. Lots of KZbin videos recording their use in preservation and a few from their normal service from about 1951 to 1967.

[@johnd8892]

Victorian Railways R class Hudson seen at 27:35 in this vid. One of seven preserved.

[@Stooltoad5017]

C&O 490, CB&Q 4000 (mentioned above) ATSF has a one as well.

[@williamsquires3070]

The yard master for the B&O that got fired probably went on to work for the NYC… just saying. 😆

[@Duececoupe]

Where's Milwaukee Road's Class A 4-4-2's and F7 4-6-4? 🤨🤔😉

[@stevedurrell]

DOUBLE HEADED 1/8TH SCALE HUDSON AND NIAGRA! So I'm impressed for the fact that within the first 5 minutes you mentioned two locos that we owned in 7&1/4" gauge (roughly 1-8th scale. Sadly we let them go so theoretically became extinct to us..... Massive boiler issues. I after departing in 2016 ish inky one has recently returned to operational standard. Hopefully my video link will be allowed as it shows the Hudson and Niagra we owned double heading! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIOamnaMd7GjrLcsi=yUQoAYb0quNLKEyC

[@Elliottblancher]

Technically from what I have heard the T1 trust has proposed building a J3 Hudson once they complete the T1 project

[@orin3039]

Erie Triplex.

[@robertward5368]

Just curious...Your title for this video is "10 Locomotives That Are Sadly Extinct". Have you ever encountered any locomotives that are merrily extinct or that have any feelings at all about their extinction? I think the title should read "10 Locomotives That, Sadly, Are Extinct".

[@TheFarix2723]

Another meme of the channel is Darkness's inability to pronounce "Kanawha" correctly

[@JohnPatterson-kz8jr]

They've made a reproduction of a T1.😮😅

[@austanroupe4730]

Theres like 3 yellowstones still in existence soo not sure why it's on this list

[@willknipe9491]

Darkness you’re a tad bit inaccurate in terms of up-to-date information recently I discovered a 7 1/4 inch gauge New York Central J3-A Dreyfus Hudson with the 20th century Limited streamline casing and paint scheme

[@lucasgeesey4719]

Would you donate to the T1 Trust? I would

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

Can you stop being so mean to Pearlman. He only cut up so many steam locomotives to help get his company into good shape. He only saved 2933 because NYC was in good enough shape by then.

[@leeloolab]

bet

[@Idkbro66]

First baby

[@HardyTheStormChasinFurry]

I really hope that the t1 trust re-builds a NYC Hudson or Niagara like what the A1 trust over in Britain is doing I mean they already finished building tornado now they're building other steam locomotives I really hope the T1 trust does the same in building a Hudson or Niagara

[@sly123size]

Somehow to anyone doesn't know that they are making t1 if you looking at the t1 trust

[@0fficialdregs]

I HAVE A N SCALE 2-8-8-4!!! :D